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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2010, 10:30:51 AM »
What happened to the jet ski?

It's kind of hard to imagine the "pirates" were able to steal it while they were in a boat.  How much do those weigh?  I'd imagine it's pretty heavy and you would be unable to lift one up and put it into your boat.

Things just are not adding up.
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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2010, 11:25:07 AM »
What happened to the jet ski?

It's kind of hard to imagine the "pirates" were able to steal it while they were in a boat.  How much do those weigh?  I'd imagine it's pretty heavy and you would be unable to lift one up and put it into your boat.

Things just are not adding up.
Maybe they rode/towed it back?

As improbable as certain aspects of the pirate story may sound there is strong evidence, i.e. blood patterns and witnesses, ruling-out the possibility of the wife killing her husband.

If not the wife or pirates, then who?
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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2010, 12:36:30 PM »
Maybe they rode/towed it back?

As improbable as certain aspects of the pirate story may sound there is strong evidence, i.e. blood patterns and witnesses, ruling-out the possibility of the wife killing her husband.

If not the wife or pirates, then who?

Good points.

Who else?  Not sure.  Probably not a lover of the wife.  I just do not see that in this situation.

But then again, I didn't see that in the Lacie Patterson (Peterson?) case. 
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2010, 06:14:06 PM »
If there were pirates, they would steal the jet ski. One would ride it off.
But why not steal 2? Pirates steal stuff. But they don't necessarily kill people.
Pirates could have simply robbed them of their jet skis at gun point.

Still, my theory is she's telling the truth.

OK - even if she disposed of the body. Where's his jet ski?
If she killed him, either it's out there or she would have had to scuttle it somehow.

The one thing that baffles me is how did she get away?
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2010, 06:56:50 PM »
If there were pirates, they would steal the jet ski. One would ride it off.
But why not steal 2? Pirates steal stuff. But they don't necessarily kill people.
Pirates could have simply robbed them of their jet skis at gun point.

Still, my theory is she's telling the truth.

OK - even if she disposed of the body. Where's his jet ski?
If she killed him, either it's out there or she would have had to scuttle it somehow.

The one thing that baffles me is how did she get away?


The pirates wouldn't be able to ride away on the jet ski.  The key pops out if you fall off of it.  Not sure if that holds true today, but it did when I rode on one years back.

I really need to read all of the news stories on this... from all different perspectives.

I did that during the whole Caylee Anthony murder.  It was a headache, but the things I learned from that case were astonishing.
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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2010, 07:07:03 PM »
The pirates wouldn't be able to ride away on the jet ski.  The key pops out if you fall off of it.  Not sure if that holds true today, but it did when I rode on one years back.

I really need to read all of the news stories on this... from all different perspectives.

I did that during the whole Caylee Anthony murder.  It was a headache, but the things I learned from that case were astonishing.

Speaking of Caylee.......what's up with that trial?  I didn't miss it???  Why I hone in on Nancy Grace and Greta, the only ones I trust on Domestic Issues.

 My personal jury is still out on the Jet Ski Wife....I'm still not convinced she's an innocent little butterfly  :p

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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2010, 08:54:03 PM »
Speaking of Caylee.......what's up with that trial?  I didn't miss it???  Why I hone in on Nancy Grace and Greta, the only ones I trust on Domestic Issues.

 My personal jury is still out on the Jet Ski Wife....I'm still not convinced she's an innocent little butterfly  :p

The trail didn't even start yet.  I believe it was scheduled to start soon... but Casey Anthony got a new lawyer a few weeks ago.  I'm sure that right there sets the trail date back so the new lawyer can get his/her "evidence" and arguments together.
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2010, 09:06:18 PM »
Speaking of Caylee.......what's up with that trial?  I didn't miss it???  Why I hone in on Nancy Grace and Greta, the only ones I trust on Domestic Issues.

 My personal jury is still out on the Jet Ski Wife....I'm still not convinced she's an innocent little butterfly  :p

Casey Anthony's trial is scheduled for May 2011. It may change.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/092710-anthony-status-hearing

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« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2010, 10:57:41 AM »
(decided to update this thread than start a new one) Suspended search on Hartley's body.....

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/15/texas.missing.american/index.html

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......A report issued by a Texas-based think tank suggested Thursday that Hartley's death may have stemmed from a case of mistaken identity in the ongoing war between two Mexican drug cartels.

The Stratfor report, which cites anonymous sources, noted that Hartley worked for an oil and gas company with operations in Reynosa, Mexico, and the couple had lived there for two years and had only moved to McAllen, Texas, within the past few months.

The truck they drove to Falcon Lake on September 30 still had a license plate from Mexico's Tamaulipas state.

The couple drove their personal watercraft to the Old Guerrero area of the lake, which the report said is a "known battleground in the ongoing war in the Los Zetas and Gulf cartels."

The comments are interesting, if these bad guys are so vicious why did they let the wife go......?

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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2010, 11:35:55 AM »
She's lying.

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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2010, 12:52:36 PM »
(decided to update this thread than start a new one) Suspended search on Hartley's body.....

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/15/texas.missing.american/index.html

A snippet....

The comments are interesting, if these bad guys are so vicious why did they let the wife go......?
They missed, they were also prolly a little upset when they realised their mistake, which supposedly cost thjem their lives.
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« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2010, 08:51:54 AM »
They missed, they were also prolly a little upset when they realised their mistake, which supposedly cost thjem their lives.

What ever happend, the publicity of this case is a gold mine for the anti-drug and inforcement officers in that area.

Even if they found photos of the wife with a gun in her hand I believe they would come up missing.

Give it a few months and you may find that the wife becomes the poster girl for sending in more men to guard the border.

This will become a stepping stone for those that cry out to the public that they need federal help.

The question on why home grown militias are not out there defending their property and citizens is a no brainer.

Our Americans even the worse of the worse can in no way become as violent as the Drug Cartels.  The Cartels will without thought mow down men, woman and infants at the breast.  ----Hard to imagine Americans, farmers and ranchers headed out to kill children or woman.

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« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2010, 10:24:15 AM »
What ever happend, the publicity of this case is a gold mine for the anti-drug and inforcement officers in that area.

Even if they found photos of the wife with a gun in her hand I believe they would come up missing.

Give it a few months and you may find that the wife becomes the poster girl for sending in more men to guard the border.

This will become a stepping stone for those that cry out to the public that they need federal help.

The question on why home grown militias are not out there defending their property and citizens is a no brainer.

Our Americans even the worse of the worse can in no way become as violent as the Drug Cartels.  The Cartels will without thought mow down men, woman and infants at the breast.  ----Hard to imagine Americans, farmers and ranchers headed out to kill children or woman.

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« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2010, 11:33:12 AM »
If this happened to my husband, I'd be up the ass of the government, instead of on national TV right away.  I would make the government look so bad.  Worse than they already do.

Nope, if this happend to my Hubby the first thing I would demand is a lie detector test.

Next  thing would be to be placed under hypnosis to remember the things that I had blanked out of my mind.

She may remember just looking at a gun barrel but in her subconscious she saw the people, their faces, clothing and perhaps what was written on the side of the craft the men were on.

When we have a sudden life altering problem, an accident or a home invasion, we tend to get tunnel vision.  We have 5 senses that are at work here, touch, smell, hearing, sight and taste.

For the wife her sight took over and may have been fighting with her other senses to shut down all of them.

The true story is all there some where in her mind, like a bunch of files that get lost on the PC.   Like when we defragment our PC to pull everything together again.

I myself do not trust eye wittiness accounts, so much depends on memory that changes over time or by suggestion or even where one is standing at the time an event occurs.

Evil, I would be searching for the truth of a matter and never rely on my own memory's of an event.  What I think happend could be much different from what happening especially when under stress.

All is stored in the mind and can be brought back by Doctors trained in retrieving lost or missing memory's.




 

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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2010, 11:52:24 AM »
If the wife is lying, then did she also behead the investigator looking into it?
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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2010, 04:10:31 PM »
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Nope, if this happend to my Hubby the first thing I would demand is a lie detector test.

So the first thing you would think of after your husband was brutally murdered is a lie detector test?

I don't think so.
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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2010, 04:17:24 PM »
So the first thing you would think of after your husband was brutally murdered is a lie detector test?

I don't think so.

Gawd, NO, of course not.  Most of us would be screaming or catatonic messes. :bawl:
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« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2010, 05:59:26 PM »
So the first thing you would think of after your husband was brutally murdered is a lie detector test?

I don't think so.

A lie detector test would not be something I would think of first....however, if investigators would do one right away to eliminate a spouse from suspician...the bad guys might get caught sooner, or the spouse would be in custody sooner, and a lot of time and money would not be wasted on looking in the wrong direction.

Not just in this particular case, but any situation involving a spousal death when it can not be proved immediately.
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« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2010, 06:06:39 PM »
The person who said "maybe you've never been in a fire fight" hit the nail.  Was in more than one and after several hundred rounds were fired someone was wounded.  Likely the shot that hit him was a random lucky.  Not everyone is Rambo; actually not anyone.

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« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2010, 07:29:39 PM »
Its very hard to hit anything while moving on water if you haven't trained to do it . There are videos on YouTube that show what you need to do when firing from a ship or boat to hit a target on the water. It would be in admissable as evidence in any court in the US to use a lie detector test . Its not that hard to fool one as it is.
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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2010, 11:46:25 PM »
If it was drug cartelers, wouldn't they kill both Tiffany and David Hartley, not leave one to escape. I know drug cartelers are very violent and will kill anyone who gets in their way. They do not like anyone who survives.
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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2010, 11:39:17 PM »
If it was drug cartelers, wouldn't they kill both Tiffany and David Hartley, not leave one to escape. I know drug cartelers are very violent and will kill anyone who gets in their way. They do not like anyone who survives.

They might want to, but haven't found her?
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