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Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« on: October 07, 2010, 12:53:41 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/06/wendy-murphy-mexico-texas-tiffany-hartley-pirates-lake-jet-ski-shot-head-god/

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Twenty-nine year-old Tiffany Hartley says her husband was shot in the head by Mexican pirates earlier this week while the couple was riding jet skis on Falcon Lake at the Texas-Mexico border.

Claiming her husband fell face fi


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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2010, 01:24:31 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/06/wendy-murphy-mexico-texas-tiffany-hartley-pirates-lake-jet-ski-shot-head-god/


If she is lying she should be shot.  We have enough troubles trying to get our borders safe without that kind of crap.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2010, 01:58:59 PM »
I have a problem with this too, guess it's they shot the husband and not her, a witness? Her 9-11 call seemed very rehearsed, too calm after witnessing her husband murdered???  Then goes on national t.v.......

 So, it was:

~a drug deal gone bad (nobody goes that far across the border except for the good stuff)

~an insurance scam (well, until a body or jet ski is found), he's really fine and waiting for her and the cash out of the country somewhere

~she had him "offed" (insurance, lover)

~she shot him (again, insurance?  a lover?)











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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2010, 03:03:30 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/06/wendy-murphy-mexico-texas-tiffany-hartley-pirates-lake-jet-ski-shot-head-god/


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Everytime the wife opens her mouth to the media I get warning bells, as I was very surprised to watch her and her mother on Fox this am and I was watching her body language as I do watch Court TV and they bring in the body language experts to give their openion on the truthfullness of those testifying.

As far as I could tell she remained quite expressionless until she stated that the men in the boat got to with in 10 feet of her pointing guns at her.  Then she stated she could not describe the boat or the occupants as she only saw the barrel of the gun that may have killed her husband.

Her expression then turned to roll her eyes up ward to her right, very clear as she did this slowly and it was not just a glance at her mother.

I would expect most every police officer in the country is watching this closely, the cops are trained in body language and are not stupid.  They can tell when they are being lied to in a heart beat, tone of voice mannerisms and body language.

I will have to go back in her statements because I have a feeling that she may have mentioned she and husband were thinking of moving south to open a business.

Cavegal we have this happen up here, people take their boats out to fish, lobster or just for a day to be alone with the themselves.   When their boats are found, the keys are in the ignition the drivers wallet money and credit cards in plain sight, only thing missing is the driver themselves..
 Coast guard searches for 3 days and down the line have to give up.

15-20 years later someone on vacation runs into the man and his family somewhere out of the country or on the far side of the country, they are doing quite well as the family received double indemnity for his so called death.

For us in this area who have lived in the sea ports for generations, we were raised on the tales of our ancestors that in most cases were a Scurvy Lott.  Some of our forfathers would cut a throat for a nickle or a dime. They ran rum, slaves and anything they could make a living on.

Today it is drugs that fill the pockets of people with money.  Those that live on the river or in small towns have Marine radios that we listen to as when a tanker is anchored off shore waiting for the coast guard to inspect them we just sit back as the Jet boats and everything from commercial fishing boats to row boats get a yen to meet up with the ship at night.   Not to say that they are bringing in drugs under the nose of the coast guard but it makes one wonder.

This was a lake the couple were on, no tide to ebb and flow, The direction of the wind at that time would be a deciding factor of where the body and the Jet were blown or drifted to.

I question this as I have lived on both Fresh water lakes and the rivers and sea all my life.

Then there is the fact that the men in a boat had caught her let her go riding an 6-8 thousand dollar jet ski, We paid 12,000 bucks for our two jet ski's 10 years ago but that included the tandem trailer.

To give the wife the benefit of a doubt, she and husband were riding their jet ski's and they over the sound of the engines heard gun shots,???  They speeded up to get the heck out of there when the husband was shot in the head and landed in the water with the jet ski circling him.  

The wife stops and jumps off her ski to try to drag him back onto her Jet but he is to heavy to hoist up.     Next thing she remembers is bullets smacking the water around her, remember her Jet is also 10-15 feet from her.   She leaves her husband in the water, swims and climbs aboard her ski only to find that 10 feet from her a boat full of armed men have snuck up on her. With both jets engines tempered down she does not hear the engine of the boat chasing her getting closer.So she just looks at the barrel of a gun one is holding, ignores their boat or the people inside.

She does not know if these are the killers or the police, has no idea if they are to help or harm her.

They just sit there in their boat rocking back and forth and she hears God telling her to get the Hell out of there.

First she recalls them killing her husband, then trying to kill her and then they 10 feet from her, lets her go on a Jet ski that that is very expensive and a perfect boat to run drugs.

That sheriff that believes her story, funny thing about that, he needs the story to be true to push for more federal money to combat the drug lords. The more horror storeys he can relate the better his chances of getting money, power, to protect his area.

Much involved here, this woman can cause us much problems if a smart lawyer trips us up, or if not finally get Obama off his Presidential Throne, the one with the flush valve to do something to protect us.  




    





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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2010, 04:02:38 PM »
Did they find his jet ski?

He was wearing a life jacket. But they've found no body.

The witness said a boat of men was following closely behind her,
when Hartley asked him for help.

Who were the men in the boat? Why were they following her?

A lot doesn't add up -- most of all the fact that there is no body.
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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse/UPDATE
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2010, 05:42:09 PM »
Eyewitness in Alleged Mexican Pirate Attack Case Comes Forward

http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-tiffany-hartley-joins-search-husband-allegedly-killed/story?id=11820806

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An eyewitness has come forward in the case of the American who was allegedly attacked by Mexican pirates to claim he saw the man's panicked wife as she fled to the American side of the lake.


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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse/UPDATE
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2010, 06:16:28 PM »
Eyewitness in Alleged Mexican Pirate Attack Case Comes Forward

http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-tiffany-hartley-joins-search-husband-allegedly-killed/story?id=11820806


Gotta wonder if the witness is  :mental:
Really, as an avid consumer of true crime literature, this woman's story reeks to high heaven.  It sounds like :bs:
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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse/UPDATE
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2010, 06:21:38 PM »
Gotta wonder if the witness is  :mental:
Really, as an avid consumer of true crime literature, this woman's story reeks to high heaven.  It sounds like :bs:
Maybe the guy is her lover/boyfriend? It sure sounds fishy to me also.  The BS meter goes off.


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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2010, 07:40:43 PM »
The spouse is always the first suspect in my mind (and usually in the detectives minds), but I am reserving judgment on this until I hear more. It is weird, but stranger things have happened. We'll see. I hope they find his body though. For his family's sake and his.

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2010, 08:46:08 PM »
She's lying.

If there was a "hail" of gun fire, she would have been hit.  How many supposed shooters were there again?  They would have hit her as well.

Who in their right mind even wants to go on television shows after their loved one gets murdered?  Definitely an egotistical person.

Here is her Facebook.  For a grieving wife, she sure is accepting a lot of new friends.

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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2010, 10:33:45 PM »
I have a problem with this too, guess it's they shot the husband and not her, a witness? Her 9-11 call seemed very rehearsed, too calm after witnessing her husband murdered???  Then goes on national t.v.......

 So, it was:

~a drug deal gone bad (nobody goes that far across the border except for the good stuff)

~an insurance scam (well, until a body or jet ski is found), he's really fine and waiting for her and the cash out of the country somewhere

~she had him "offed" (insurance, lover)

~she shot him (again, insurance?  a lover?)

Sounds like an insurance scam to me. Also, could involve adultery. That is what I would suspect. I am surprised there are Mexican pirates. They need to find David Hartley first.
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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2010, 01:40:22 AM »
 It's not that easy to shoot at a moving target let alone one on water. If you haven't trained in doing it your hit probablity is close to zero. The one head shot might have been a luck hit. Till the body is recovered we can't say for certain whats happen and have to wait and see.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2010, 06:17:59 AM »
Investigators have found blood matching her husband's on her life jacket. Which supports her claim that she tried to pull his body onot her jetski.

Or so I heard on the news this morning.........
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2010, 07:10:19 AM »
Who knows?  Maybe it did happen the way she says.

However, I seem to remember an observation about a Susan Smith, in NC, about 17 years ago.  She's the one who said that she had been carjacked with her two young boys strapped into their car seats, then it was revealled that there was a lover who wanted nothing to do with a woman with kids, so she killed the kids.  A lot of people noticed that, even though Smith was crying, there were no tears.  This Hartley girl (related to Nina Hartley, perhaps?) doesn't seen to be shedding tears, either, though she's crying.  That could be from a variety of things, but erhe's no tracks of those tears, either . . .

Something doesn't add up.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2010, 07:17:02 AM »
Who knows?  Maybe it did happen the way she says.

However, I seem to remember an observation about a Susan Smith, in NC, about 17 years ago.  She's the one who said that she had been carjacked with her two young boys strapped into their car seats, then it was revealled that there was a lover who wanted nothing to do with a woman with kids, so she killed the kids.  A lot of people noticed that, even though Smith was crying, there were no tears.  This Hartley girl (related to Nina Hartley, perhaps?) doesn't seen to be shedding tears, either, though she's crying.  That could be from a variety of things, but erhe's no tracks of those tears, either . . .

Something doesn't add up.

That happened over in Union county S.C.....NC has had their share of mean women without being held responsible for ours.

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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2010, 09:07:46 AM »
She's lying.

If there was a "hail" of gun fire, she would have been hit.  How many supposed shooters were there again?  They would have hit her as well.

Who in their right mind even wants to go on television shows after their loved one gets murdered?  Definitely an egotistical person.

Here is her Facebook.  For a grieving wife, she sure is accepting a lot of new friends.

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She lists her current city as Reynosa, Mexico ? 

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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2010, 09:35:36 AM »
That happened over in Union county S.C.....NC has had their share of mean women without being held responsible for ours.

My dady always told me, "There's nothing better than a good woman.....and nothing worse than a bad one."

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2010, 11:53:58 AM »
Mexicans and water don't mix, hence the oxymoron "Mexican Pirates".
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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2010, 12:33:39 PM »
She lists her current city as Reynosa, Mexico ? 

Reynosa is right on the Tex/Mex border.
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2010, 01:38:04 PM »
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/08/earlyshow/main6938718.shtml

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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2010, 10:39:36 PM »
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/08/earlyshow/main6938718.shtml


She could have gotten blood on her by dragging the body into a hidden location as well.  All is a possibility.  I'd like to believe she didn't kill her husband, but there are a lot of crazy people out there.
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2010, 05:19:40 AM »
I don't believe she killed him. He was big. She's small. If she did kill him, she'd need help hiding the body,
or else the body would likely have been found by now. He was wearing a life vest.
 
There is nothing I've heard to indicate she had help. His body, life vest & his jet ski are apparently missing.

Right now - I believe her.
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2010, 06:30:44 AM »
And on many types of life vests, if the kapok is punctured (if that's the type he was wearing), they'll fill with water and quite literally become heavy as bricks.
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2010, 09:32:09 AM »
I don't believe she killed him. He was big. She's small. If she did kill him, she'd need help hiding the body,
or else the body would likely have been found by now. He was wearing a life vest.
 
There is nothing I've heard to indicate she had help. His body, life vest & his jet ski are apparently missing.

Right now - I believe her.

Don't let the size of this woman underestimate her strength.  

Something doesn't seem right.  I'll wait for more evidence.  But right now, I'm sticking with murder on her part, not the "pirates".
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Re: Mexican 'Pirates'? -- Why We First Suspect the Spouse
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2010, 10:08:45 AM »
She could have gotten blood on her by dragging the body into a hidden location as well.  All is a possibility.  I'd like to believe she didn't kill her husband, but there are a lot of crazy people out there.
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If the wife shot her husband while wearing that vest the sheriff would have a reasonable amount of evidence to suspect her.

If she was dragging a body--pretty hard to imagine a woman dragging someone as big as the victim WHILE wearing a cumbersome life vest--the blood evidence would definitely betray her.
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