What if the GOP retakes congress?

[Two Americas]

Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.

You think? You could be right. I have never seen so much defection and anger in the ranks, and it is very difficult to see what the next step might be. The "hope and change" thing won't fly again. On most issues of substance, they are indistinguishable from the Republicans.

[Ballygrl]

It is an argument over fundraising.  Let us not kid ourselves.  Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.

We definitely have our own internal problems between the right and RINO's. That's 1 reason why I never understood the outright hate the progressives have for conservatives, ideology aside we have quite a bit in common, we drive the primaries and when the people we fight and vote for get elected they throw us aside. We both have a common enemy and that's the "stick their finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing moderate" the finger went your way in 2006 and 2008 and now it's swinging our way. I just wish they'd get off the fence and choose a side and stick with it.

[Allentownjake]

We definitely have our own internal problems between the right and RINO's. That's 1 reason why I never understood the outright hate the progressives have for conservatives, ideology aside we have quite a bit in common, we drive the primaries and when the people we fight and vote for get elected they throw us aside. We both have a common enemy and that's the "stick their finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing moderate" the finger went your way in 2006 and 2008 and now it's swinging our way. I just wish they'd get off the fence and choose a side and stick with it.

I'm talking to you right now aren't I.  We both have our issues with the status quo, the thinkers amongst us.

[diesel driver]

Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.

 

You must first have a soul.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

You think? You could be right. I have never seen so much defection and anger in the ranks, and it is very difficult to see what the next step might be. The "hope and change" thing won't fly again. On most issues of substance, they are indistinguishable from the Republicans.

Health-coup reform

Cap and trade

Internationalism

Forcing workers into unions

Taking over corporations

Tax hikes

Coddling illegals

Gay marriage

The GZ Victory Mosque

Net Brutality

The Unfairness Doctrine

gun control


If you can't tell the difference you're head is either in the sand or a plastic bag.

[TheSarge]

Health-coup reform

Cap and trade

Internationalism

Forcing workers into unions

Taking over corporations

Tax hikes

Coddling illegals

Gay marriage

The GZ Victory Mosque

Net Brutality

The Unfairness Doctrine

gun control


If you can't tell the difference you're head is either in the sand or a plastic bag.

I would add on there the numerous vacations while telling America to "sacrifice" and his shabby treatment and disdain for the very people who got him elected...the American Media.

Had he not pissed off the MSM we wouldn't hear anything but shiney happy touchy feely stories about this President similiar to what we saw during the campaign.  No one would be there pulling the curtain away to reveal who Oz really os.

[delilahmused]

It is an argument over fundraising.  Let us not kid ourselves.  Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.

Actually, I've never seen a movement like this in my lifetime. Ever. America is, and always has been, a center-right country. To not understand that is to not understand what makes America the shining city on the hill (provided it's not destroyed by the marxist in chief). People were absolutely bamboozled by this guy. He worked hard to portray himself as a centrist and was aided in his quest by a drooling, tingling press. Even they can't be happy with what a blithering idiot he's turned out to be, but I guess in order to save face they're still trying to prop him up. People are angry at having been duped. We've always been a nation of laws but now there's absolutely no checks on this government and laws and the constitution just don't matter to them.

While the powers that be and the left are trying to portray the Tea Party movement as something that comes from the far right, anyone attending a Tea Party event will see that's just not the case. Democrats, Republicans, and Independents are very concerned and more engaged than I've ever seen. In some ways it's more intense than that of the 60's. Even if you believe in the policies 0bama has wrought, if you're honest with yourself you'd have to admit how unconstitutional his government gone about enacting change. I thought Clinton lying under oath was the worst I'd ever see (I could care less if he was teabagging with Monica or if she was smoking cigars with her ta-ta) but he was pretty harmless compared to this group. I've never once been afraid for my country like I am now.

And it breaks my heart that my son (and those of other mothers) are serving a country that may no longer exist. It does give me hope that there are still so many patriots out there that love their country. Maybe all isn't lost yet.

Cindie

[TheSarge]

Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.

They actually ARE the mainstream GOP.  These are the Reagan Republicans who've had enough of their praty trying to be Democrat lite to make people "like" them.

They are tired of the ones they elect worrying more about whether they'll get invited to do the Sunday morning shows or get a pat on the head from the NY Times than doing what they were sent to D.C. to do.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

And it breaks my heart that my son (and those of other mothers) are serving a country that may no longer exist. It does give me hope that there are still so many patriots out there that love their country. Maybe all isn't lost yet.

Cindie

It irks the shit out of me as a soldier and as a father of a soon-to-be-18-year-old-who-wants-to-enlist that Obama is spending lives in Afghanistan to hold on to 3-points in the polls among independents with a blaring declaration that he has zero intention of fighting to destroy the Taliban. Just as the A-stan surge will be entering its crucial consolidation phase he is going to call it "good enough" and run while the country slides to the Taliban.

Hell, the surge doesn't even have a chance of working if those being left behind once we depart have to cut deals with the Taliban just so they can keep their heads.

These kids are being mutilated to death so Obama can hedge his polling numbers.

[miskie]

It is an argument over fundraising.  Let us not kid ourselves.  Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.

I feel the TEA party is the resurgence of the Reagan Republicans, not the far right. Less taxes, smaller government.

[Allentownjake]

I feel the TEA party is the resurgence of the Reagan Republicans, not the far right. Less taxes, smaller government.

Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem.  We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs.  It is not just a democratic problem.

[TheSarge]

Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem.  We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs.  It is not just a democratic problem.

No but in what you said yu just proved that it IS big government that causes the problems.  If the government hadn't become so big and powerful...then these party leaders would think they are owed whatever it is they think they are owed.

Go back and study the Founding Fathers and the Constitution.  They purposely in how the Constitution was written made the Federal branch weak.

[dandi]

Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.

Hardly.  The TEA Party has nothing to do with the GOP or fund raising.  The "mainstream" GOP has wanted very little to do with the TEA Party to the point of making feeble attempts to publicly denigrate them. 

The left has nothing like the TEA Party.

[dandi]

Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem.  We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs.  It is not just a democratic problem.

The two go hand in hand.  If it weren't for greedy politicians finding ways to screw the taxpayers out of more of their money, we wouldn't have the big government and corruption we do today.

[Ballygrl]

I'm talking to you right now aren't I.  We both have our issues with the status quo, the thinkers amongst us.

True, but I find you more the exception.

[Allentownjake]

True, but I find you more the exception.

I think it is all about to unravel.  Asking questions right now and talking is a good idea.

[Splashdown]

I think the dems will believe that they haven't gone far enough to the left. Hopefully, they'll be in for a loooooooooong time in the wilderness.

[TheSarge]

I think the dems will believe that they haven't gone far enough to the left. Hopefully, they'll be in for a loooooooooong time in the wilderness.

they've had that mistaken belief since Reagan got elected.

[delilahmused]

Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem.  We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs.  It is not just a democratic problem.

No but in spite of all their rhetoric about "the culture of corruption" before they took over congress and then the WH, I'm sometimes just stunned at the overt corruption of the bunch currently in charge.

It's not just the corruption of the leaders, though that's certainly part of it. Government is too big. Salaries of government employees are double their private sector counterparts WHOSE WAGES PAY THEIR SALARIES. I'd bet at least half of them can be eliminated anyway. Nor should there be a public employees union. It's called government SERVICE. Public employee unions hold the American people hostage and their (govt. workers) sense of entitlement corrupts all levels of government.

Cindie

[DumbAss Tanker]

It irks the shit out of me as a soldier and as a father of a soon-to-be-18-year-old-who-wants-to-enlist that Obama is spending lives in Afghanistan to hold on to 3-points in the polls among independents with a blaring declaration that he has zero intention of fighting to destroy the Taliban. Just as the A-stan surge will be entering its crucial consolidation phase he is going to call it "good enough" and run while the country slides to the Taliban.

Hell, the surge doesn't even have a chance of working if those being left behind once we depart have to cut deals with the Taliban just so they can keep their heads.

These kids are being mutilated to death so Obama can hedge his polling numbers.

Yeah.  Professional Soldiers are used to being used as political pawns, but that doesn't mean they like it.  Despite the senior military leadership's best efforts to put lipstick on a pig and work with what they've got, it's abundantly clear to anyone smarter than a second lieutenant (I.e. almost everyone) that the political leadership isn't "In it to win it."  It's damned tough to look guys in the eye and ask them to risk their lives in that kind of environment, but if you don't, it just makes the butcher's bill higher.

[AllosaursRus]

On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility.  On the plus side, no crazy new spendthrift programs will be added.

There is a fundamental flaw in our tax structure since its so-called 'progressive' nature has created a situation where a majority of the voters don't actually pay taxes and so have no direct stake in keeping the scale of government expenditures in check.  Since Congress as an institution generally has all the backbone of a flatworm in fixing structural issues they've created by past vote-buying, it seems unlikely to ever be fixed no matter which party wins, and so we are running on economic momentum rather than a sound taxation and fiscal policy basis.  

Vox populi, vox dei, as far as they can wrap their chubby little minds around anything, and so ultimately the day will come when the demand for bread and circuses breaks the bank for keeps, with Congress wielding the hammer or at least willfully failing to keep it out of the wrong hands.

I believe the "Pubbies" can refuse to fund many of the programs in the O'Bummer HCP, thus it will be dead in the water! At least without Bummer's "bureaucracies" it will be impossible to implement. At least that's the take I get on it.

ETA:

Many of the things that were supposed to have already been under way have been postponed due to the Dems not forming committees. If we de-fund the committee, nothin' starts! After all, no congress critter is goin' to work on these committees without the green!

[BlueStateSaint]

I believe the "Pubbies" can refuse to fund many of the programs in the O'Bummer HCP, thus it will be dead in the water! At least without Bummer's "bureaucracies" it will be impossible to implement. At least that's the take I get on it.

Exactly right.  Also, they can attach a repeal to any and every piece of legislation that moves through the two houses of Congress, thus effectively shutting down the government.  I think they just may try to pull this off,a nd if they do, they'll win.

[diesel driver]

Big Government is not the problem, corruption is the problem.  We have a group of party leaders that run around like entitled soviet oligarchs.  It is not just a democratic problem.

Actually, it is the problem.

Just like a small fire is easier to contain and control than a large one, so is government.

Big Government=Big Corruption

[vlad335]

Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.

Yes, and they will come to the exact same conclusion as always.

They failed to get their message out.

[Airwolf]

I'm thinking that as a whole ,WE the people have been lax in keeping our so called elected representatives in line for many,many years. We should shoulder some of the blame when at least 50% of the countries population failed to vote for any reason. The rest lies with the greedy and corrupt asshats in DC that think they can just sit on their backsides and do what ever they please. We the people are waking up but we also need to keep those that are elected held responsible for their **** ups.