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What if the GOP retakes congress?
« on: September 07, 2010, 11:56:04 AM »
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Barack2theFuture (350 posts)           Tue Sep-07-10 11:56 AM
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*IF* the republicans "sweep into power" in November, what will really change
   
for the typical American family?

Will they lose their jobs? Their homes? Their savings? Their civil liberties?

What?
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zipplewrath   (1000+ posts)           Tue Sep-07-10 12:02 PM
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1. Depends upon which family
   
The family that includes a gay service member will probably see DADT stay "on the books". HCR will probably be severely under funded, so there will almost assuredly be more people going without insurance that already are. There will be more tax cuts, and less spending of any sort, so unemployment will probably go back up.

Yeah, The Won is making lots of progress on DADT.

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cleanhippie   (786 posts)           Tue Sep-07-10 12:02 PM
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I would think that things would continue in the downward spiral....
   
as they wring every last penny out of us and into the corporate coffers....

Obama and the Dems are doing that, so no change there.

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Donnachaidh   (1000+ posts)           Tue Sep-07-10 12:02 PM
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3. the losses will probably accelerate
   
The domino effect of not extending unemployment will kick it into high gear.

Stooooopid DUmmie. Just because the evil rethuglicans take back congress, they still can't pass any laws.

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flamingdem   (1000+ posts)           Tue Sep-07-10 12:03 PM
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5. Your taxes will be MUCH HIGHER
   
but don't try to convince the Bush = Obama crowd of that or any of the other horrors we would face if the repukes take over.

Yeah, right.  If the Demonrats had any idea about keeping the tax cuts in effect, they would have done so before the elections.

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 12:00:16 PM »
The typical American family will be doing substantially better in the long run.

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 12:14:38 PM »
YOUR TAXES WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111

Where do they come up with this stuff?   :mental:

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 12:16:54 PM »
YOUR TAXES WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111

Where do they come up with this stuff?   :mental:

The DUmmies think that Republicans will only give tax breaks to the very wealthy and the "scum" on Wall Street. :whatever: :mental:
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 12:17:53 PM »
The typical American family will be doing substantially better in the long run.

Next question, DUmmy?

Yeah but it will be all because of the ground work of the donks and the messiah.
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2010, 01:17:08 PM »
On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility.  On the plus side, no crazy new spendthrift programs will be added.

There is a fundamental flaw in our tax structure since its so-called 'progressive' nature has created a situation where a majority of the voters don't actually pay taxes and so have no direct stake in keeping the scale of government expenditures in check.  Since Congress as an institution generally has all the backbone of a flatworm in fixing structural issues they've created by past vote-buying, it seems unlikely to ever be fixed no matter which party wins, and so we are running on economic momentum rather than a sound taxation and fiscal policy basis. 

Vox populi, vox dei, as far as they can wrap their chubby little minds around anything, and so ultimately the day will come when the demand for bread and circuses breaks the bank for keeps, with Congress wielding the hammer or at least willfully failing to keep it out of the wrong hands.
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2010, 01:24:12 PM »
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Barack2theFuture (350 posts)           Tue Sep-07-10 11:56 AM
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*IF* the republicans "sweep into power" in November, what will really change
   
for the typical American family?

Will they lose their jobs? Their homes? Their savings? Their civil liberties?

What?

Let's put it this way, the stock market will be happy and businesses that actually provide jobs will be happy, and that happiness means more people going back to work, their homes will be saved because they have income coming in, they'll be able to put money into savings again, and terrorists won't be granted civil liberties, sounds like a win win to me.
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2010, 01:38:04 PM »
On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility. 

This actually has a plus to it as well.  IF the conservatives cannot get things like HCR repealed when the taxes go up it will be a lot harder to blame the tax increases on the new party in power.

My fear is when the conservatives get in power and start getting stuff fixed but the taxes go up due to the democrats playing around that O'bama and his minions will point and proclaim "We've got the economy back up and running but the new players on the block are running the taxes up"

This is a double edged sword.

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2010, 01:50:52 PM »
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Barack2theFuture (350 posts)           Tue Sep-07-10 11:56 AM
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*IF* the republicans "sweep into power" in November, what will really change
   
for the typical American family?

Will they lose their jobs? Their homes? Their savings? Their civil liberties?

What?

Actually all of the above will be saved with a Republican/Conservative sweep in 56 days.

Right now the only way the "typical American family" will lose those things is if the Dems retain control.
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 02:10:05 PM »
I'll tell you what will happen if the republicans do not.

1. A 50% haircut in the stock market.

2. More business failures, much higher unemployment, and $3 trillion per year deficits.

3. 2 in 5 will be on government assistance.

4. Nuclear war in the Middle East.

5. Iraq falls to extremists.

6. Amnesty.
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 02:13:48 PM »
From above;
Barack2theFuture (350 posts)           Tue Sep-07-10 11:56 AM
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*IF* the republicans "sweep into power" in November, what will really change
   
for the typical American family?

Will they lose their jobs? Their homes? Their savings? Their civil liberties?

What?


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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 03:31:25 PM »
On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility.  On the plus side, no crazy new spendthrift programs will be added.

There is a fundamental flaw in our tax structure since its so-called 'progressive' nature has created a situation where a majority of the voters don't actually pay taxes and so have no direct stake in keeping the scale of government expenditures in check.  Since Congress as an institution generally has all the backbone of a flatworm in fixing structural issues they've created by past vote-buying, it seems unlikely to ever be fixed no matter which party wins, and so we are running on economic momentum rather than a sound taxation and fiscal policy basis. 

Vox populi, vox dei, as far as they can wrap their chubby little minds around anything, and so ultimately the day will come when the demand for bread and circuses breaks the bank for keeps, with Congress wielding the hammer or at least willfully failing to keep it out of the wrong hands.

Congress does hold the purse strings, so they can actually prevent the funding of some of this crap like health care reform.

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 04:57:17 PM »
Congress does hold the purse strings, so they can actually prevent the funding of some of this crap like health care reform.

Very true, but with HCRA in particular most of the things they have to fund don't come up right away, thanks to the CBO's magic trick of evaluating out ten years to give it a 'Go' as soundly budgeted, knowing full well that the expenditures were all in the last six years of that ten so that the entire structure is knowingly built on a lie.
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 05:18:56 PM »
On the minus side, nothing that was passed by the Democrat-dominated government can be repealed since any such action would require a strong enough majority to override a Presidential veto, and that is simply beyond the realm of possibility.  On the plus side, no crazy new spendthrift programs will be added.

Cant repeal it.. Can defund it. No money, no program.

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2010, 05:22:53 PM »
Very true, but with HCRA in particular most of the things they have to fund don't come up right away, thanks to the CBO's magic trick of evaluating out ten years to give it a 'Go' as soundly budgeted, knowing full well that the expenditures were all in the last six years of that ten so that the entire structure is knowingly built on a lie.

Very true. But there is enough budget shuffling necessary soon to still stop the program. These budget neutral years require 'robbing Peter to pay Paul' if that is derailed, that is the the same as defunding. And the attempted provision the Dems built in to prevent future congresses from being able to do just that was shot down.

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 05:39:23 PM »
I'll tell you what will happen if the republicans do not.

1. A 50% haircut in the stock market.
Given regardless
2. More business failures, much higher unemployment, and $3 trillion per year deficits.

Given regardless

3. 2 in 5 will be on government assistance.

Go 3 in 5, regardless

4. Nuclear war in the Middle East.

Not yet, wait another 3 years, oh and that is going to happen anyway.

5. Iraq falls to extremists.

Already has, is there any large population in Iraq that isn't an extremist?

6. Amnesty.

By 2011, they aren't going to want to be here anyway

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2010, 07:24:19 PM »
Wanna bet?

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2010, 07:25:08 PM »
I'll bet you 1 oz troy silver, send it to Frank to hold :popcorn:
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2010, 08:36:35 PM »
My opinion:

If the GOP retakes Congress, Obama will gain points among liberals like Clinton did, because he's the opposition President. People have short memories.

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2010, 08:44:58 PM »
My opinion:

If the GOP retakes Congress, Obama will gain points among liberals like Clinton did, because he's the opposition President. People have short memories.

Obama isn't Clinton, Clinton did a 180 when Republicans took control, Obama is too arrogant and elitist to ever do that.
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2010, 09:20:47 PM »
I think it spells the end of the Democratic party.

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 09:23:24 PM »
I think it spells the end of the Democratic party.

Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.

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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2010, 10:23:09 PM »
Definitely not. I do think though that it will send the congressional Dems on a soul-searching mission, much as 2006 to 2008 has done to the GOP.

What are they going to find though during that soul searching? you have the vocal progressive part that blames the blue dogs and feel the party isn't left enough, than you have the blue dog types who think the party is way to progressive.
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Re: What if the GOP retakes congress?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2010, 10:31:08 PM »
What are they going to find though during that soul searching? you have the vocal progressive part that blames the blue dogs and feel the party isn't left enough, than you have the blue dog types who think the party is way to progressive.

It is an argument over fundraising.  Let us not kid ourselves.  Just as the Tea Party movement is from the right with the mainstream GOP.
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