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Are public workers paid too much?
« on: June 07, 2010, 11:32:14 AM »
Are public workers paid too much?

Well duh?? :thatsright:

One thing for sure when the Public Unions are involved the Taxpayer takes a drubbing.

This little bondfire has just started. Who knows what it will grow into but I brought everything there when it started for those who don't want to paddle over to the island.  

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pscot  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:32 AM
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Are public workers paid too much?
 The average American worker has been steadily losing ground on wages, benefits and retirement security. Public sector workers have, in general, done a lot better. With government debt ballooning at all levels, Governors and mayors are going after public sector unions that were once untouchable. Most of us here are predisposed to side with the workers, but your pay is falling or you're in constant fear of being laid off, you may feel some resentment toward your neighbor, who works for the city and is still living high. This is likely to become a major political issue as the economy continues to stagger.



Spurred by state budget crunches and an angry public mood, Republican and some Democratic leaders are focusing with increasing intensity on public workers and the unions that represent them, casting them as overpaid obstacles to good government and demanding cuts in their often-generous benefits.

Unlike past battles over the high cost of labor, this time pitched battles over wages and pensions are being waged from Sacramento to Springfield to New York City and the conflict is marked by its bipartisan tone, with public employee unions emerging as an intransigent public enemy number one in cities and state capitals across the country. They're the whipping boys for a new generation of governors who, thanks to a tanking economy and an assist from editorial boards, feel freer than ever to make political targets out of what was once a protected liberal class of teachers, cops, and other public servants.

Republicans around the nation have cheered New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, whose shouting match over budget cuts with an outraged teacher—“You don’t have to” teach, he told her without sympathy—became a YouTube sensation on the right last week.
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Christie is merely the most florid voice for a calculated, national effort to fundamentally reshape the debate on the labor costs that account for the bulk of government spending at every level. And at the core of the shift is a perception among many political leaders that public anger at civil servants is boiling over.

“We have a new privileged class in America,” said Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, who rescinded state workers' collective bargaining power on his first day in office in 2006. “We used to think of government workers as underpaid public servants. Now they are better paid than the people who pay their salaries




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av8rdave  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:36 AM
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1. I have a hard time feeling resentment for anyone doing well via actual work
 Anytime you see workers wages/benefits take a hit, you see the expectations for everyone else get lowered.
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pscot  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:43 AM
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3. Agreed
 But if the taxpayers are being hammered by the economy with no end in sight, resentment toward government workers is pretty much a given.
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av8rdave  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:48 AM
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5. True that....
 I feel the resentment is misdirected and based on ignorance. The resentment should be directed at those who strive to lower the wages of workers, not those who happen to be doing OK.

However, I understand it is what it is. The resentment you speak of is inevitable, unfortunately.
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 Salviati  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:40 AM
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2. No, private sector workers are paid too little.
 The parasite class has been siphoning off all the gains in worker productivity over the last several decades, leaving the worker with nothing to show for their increased production.
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marmar  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:44 AM
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4. +1000  
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pscot  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:55 AM
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9. That begs the question
 If workers in general are being screwed, and they are, how long can they be expected to support public employees who have better pay and better benefits?Saying that workers need to be paid more is empty rhetoric. Meanwhile, reality is kicking our ass.
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Raineyb  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:57 AM
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15. So your solution is to put more people on the unemployment rolls?
 That makes no sense at all.

The question isn't are public employees being paid too much. The problem is the private sector workers are being paid too little. Meanwhile without those public employees how exactly are the public services supposed to get done? By magic wand?
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arbusto_baboso  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 11:58 AM
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17. Exactly. When I started working public sector, private sector jobs were better paid.
 We public sector people stayed in iur jobs for the benefits and "job security" (which no longer exists anywhere).

I've steadily watched private sector compensation drop in comparison to my job.

But then, government employees are ALWAYS the whipping boys for opportunistic politicians looking to "trim fat". Why don't they start with their own office expenses, I wonder???
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Johonny (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:49 AM
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6. It's almost like good strong unions are a benefit to workers or something
 It's funny all my rethug friends want to stick it to the state workers. They are sick of hearing about all their benefits. It never occurs to them maybe if they unionized they'd have better benefits too. Instead they want to drag everyone down to their level. The race to the bottom brought to you by conservatism.
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Starry Messenger  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:57 AM
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RobinA (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 12:08 PM
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21. Where Are These
 public sector employees who are living high? THAT'S the myth. I am a public sector employee who makes $43,000 with a Masters in a job the requires a Masters. I live in SE PA. I am NOT living high. The only advatage I have is I pay less for medical insurance than some in the private sector. I will have a decent pension - which I pay for at a way higher rate than I ever paid in the private sector. I pay for disabilty insurance completely on my own, it isn't a benefit option. I am 52 years old, have worked my entire life, and have one week vacation, far less than I ever had in the private sector. If the state government closes down for the day because of a blizzard, I still have to be at work because I am "essential." I do have above average job security and a union, so they can't completely screw us. Other than the pathetic vacation, I am not complaining, I know I have it better than a lot of other people. I took this job two years ago because it was union.

I get tired of everybody bitching and moaning about public employees. The really good perks, if they ever existed, only exist for the people who have worked the public sector for a million years. And, I might add, when those peachy benefits came about they were a pay off for truly lousy pay. It is only within the past decade or so that the public sector has been a better deal than the private sector. And for that I have one word UNION. The lesson should be not, let's screww the public sector because at this one point in time they have a moderately better deal, let's take the lesson as - join a freakin' union and have some of your rights preserved.
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City Lights  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:53 AM
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7. No. CEOs and top-level management are paid too much.
 Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 12:07 PM by City Lights
If they'd take a pay cut there would be much more for the employees below them.

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Orlandodem (429 posts)     Mon Jun-07-10 11:53 AM
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8. Maybe those who aren't happy with their compensation in the private sector should
 get a job in the public sector! Those who worship at the altar of the private sector said for decades that public employees should get a job in the private sector if they want more pay. Now the shoe is on the other foot for better or for worse. God forbid teachers, police, and the firemen be paid well! Of course, it's not like this group is getting paid well to start with.  
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mariawr (145 posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 11:55 AM
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10. Public Jobs are only good because the manufacturing jobs
 that used to outpay the public jobs are gone. I started teaching in 1970 for $7K a year. My friends who went straight to a factory or manufacturing jobs used to laugh at me because they were making double or triple my pay.
Now the corp pigs want to gut the public sector jobs.
We will all be working for temp job pay and no benefits if they have their way.
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Greyhound  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 11:55 AM
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jp11  (237 posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 11:55 AM
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12. Misery loves company.
 "If I can't have mine, you shouldn't have yours." GO AMERIKA!
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Dappleganger  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 11:56 AM
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13. They are receiving decent benefits, appropriate raises and retirement.
 Please show me where this is wrong! Just because the private sector is getting away with driving down wages and eroding benefits, why does the public sector have to 'keep up'??
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kctim (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 11:56 AM
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14. It's all about perception
 and they bring it upon themselves.

Five people standing around while one fills a pothole. Long lines with one open window while three drink coffee and laugh in the background. Tons of half work days. More holidays off. Absolute terrible attitudes. etc...
And then there is the tons and tons of fraud, waste and abuse.

I don't think they are paid too much, but they sure as hell don't do anything to change the stereotype.
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arbusto_baboso  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 12:09 PM
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22. What bullshit you spout.
 I'm pretty damn sure I work more and harder than YOU do.
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bigdarryl (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 12:01 PM
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18. I am a State Correction Officer for NJ I'm making 80,000 a year
 but its a dangerous job that 30 years ago no one wanted to do but most state workers are not highly paid my sister who works in Governor (crispy cream) Christy office as a secretary only makes 31,000 a year and thats working for the state for 9 years
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Deep13  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 12:01 PM
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19. No. CEOs and trust fund brats are. nt
  
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David__77 (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 12:07 PM
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20. In many, many cases, public workers make less than their private counterparts.
 The media and others try to whip up resentment against public worker pensions, etc., but the fact is that many public workers make a conscious choice to make less in wages and more in benefits in terms of compensation. It's less risk, but lower salary. For instance, a plumber or electrician working for a public agency will make relatively low wages usually, but have a great pension in many cases. Same thing with lawyers, accountants, etc.
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ejpoeta  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 12:11 PM
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23. i don't know but they were doing a thing this morning about teachers wages in the area...
 going on an average for different districts. the problem is that an average is just that.... some make more and some less. now who are you including in this average? because the teachers are probably making less than administrators or higher ups. i think these stories do a disservice to regular public employees as well as teachers. trying to make it sound like they are making out like bandits while the rest of us are drowning. when that is not generally the case.
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2010, 11:43:35 AM »
YES!!!!

Our county employees get an average $26,000 in pension funding every year. That alone is more than a large percentage of the private sector gets for basic wages.  Oh and at 3:59 in the afternoon, you can fire of a magazine in any county office building and have absolutely no fear of hitting anybody...none whatsoever.
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2010, 11:56:12 AM »
Not all public workers make enough ....at least in this state (TN) and my county.

Our emergency workers - police, fire and EMT's - most have 2, some 3, jobs in order to make ends meet. They, flat out, are not paid enough. Next county over, pays their's quite a bit more.

Our teachers aren't paid enough either, which is why so many of the good ones, quit here and go to either Georgia or Kentucky, because they are paid more.

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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2010, 11:57:38 AM »
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2010, 11:58:53 AM »
Do any research and you will find gubmint employees make substantially more money for doing the same thing as in the private sector. The excuse has always been, in order to get the caliber of worker they need, they must offer as much, or more, in order to fill the position.

BULL SHIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

What we end up with, is a lazy POS that does less, gets paid more, and is impossible to get rid of! Just drive by a construction job operated by the county! 5 guys standing around supervising while 1 leans on a shovel! The utmost vision of efficiency! NOT!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 12:03:38 PM »
Do any research and you will find gubmint employees make substantially more money for doing the same thing as in the private sector. The excuse has always been, in order to get the caliber of worker they need, they must offer as much, or more, in order to fill the position.

BULL SHIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

What we end up with, is a lazy POS that does less, gets paid more, and is impossible to get rid of! Just drive by a construction job operated by the county! 5 guys standing around supervising while 1 leans on a shovel! The utmost vision of efficiency! NOT!!!!



But, but....it takes 10 guys to fix a pothole.

1 to drive the truck.

2 to direct traffic.

1 to fill the hole (the new guy).

1 to supervise the hole filler (2nd to the newest guy).

5 to talk about fishing over the weekend.
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 12:21:08 PM »
Some are and some aren't.  It's really not the basic pay that is kicking the ass of the States and cities, it's the high defined benefit levels and early eligility age of their retirement programs.

The Fed system is entirely different than most of the state ones, the minimum retirement age is higher and rising, and since the mid-80s they have a very limited defined benefit (1% per year of service, slightly higher for law enforcement and firemen and with a slightly younger eligibility age, with a big chunk of the retirement payoff being in the form of payout on a contributory investment/savings plan).

There are big structural differences in how the Fed system works vs. State/local and also vs. private sector.  At least in DOD, outside the trades or critical life-support stuff, overtime is almost unheard-of, so the basic pay is basically all the pay you normally expect to get, i.e. the top end is a totally-known quantity each year.  State/municipal jobs generally seem to involve MUCH poorer control of overtime costs, which is a bleeding wound in their budgets, but there is also a lot more scope for buddy networks and corruption to affect approval and abuse of it in those kind of organizations; on the downside, since the Fed worker's hours don't directly generate a profit but deliver a service (Often internally to the organization) it is much more difficult to justify overtime when it really is needed than is the case in the private sector, where output and income are directly connected. 

The Feds also have a rather-outdated lifetime employment model where after a certain point the job is treated as a lifetime entitlement from which you can only be removed for good cause, instead of more modern and flexible approaches like a periodically-renewable contract.  This makes Fed sector employment most attractive to those who want a very stable employment but are willing to accept a pretty flat pay curve over their careers in exchange.  The flat pay curve tends to over-reward the more junior and under-reward the more senior.  Workforce flexibility is non-existent, since the employment model makes it impossible to lay off any significant number of employees without a very-extended notice period (And if not correctly-executed, the notice becomes void and you're back at Square One), which is why contractors are so heavily used, as they can be turned on or off very quickly.

The last attempt to make this Fed system more flexible was limited to DOD (The so-called 'NSPS' system) and was a disaster, chuck full of unresolved structural problems, inherent conflicts, and logical flaws.  It was basically written for the personal advantage of the people inside the Beltway who concocted it, but at the expense of completely screwing over everyone else.  On top of everything else, it actually increased the problem of cronyism and worked against the supposedly-sacrosanct merit principles by divorcing the chain of actual supervision from the chain making decisions about rewards. 
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
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But, but....it takes 10 guys to fix a pothole.

1 to drive the truck.

2 to direct traffic.

1 to fill the hole (the new guy).

1 to supervise the hole filler (2nd to the newest guy).

5 to talk about fishing over the weekend.
This guy might argue about how many people it takes to fix potholes.
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2010, 01:35:54 PM »
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av8rdave  (1000+ posts)          Mon Jun-07-10 11:48 AM

5. True that....
   I feel the resentment is misdirected and based on ignorance. The resentment should be directed at those who strive to lower the wages of workers, not those who happen to be doing OK.

However, I understand it is what it is. The resentment you speak of is inevitable, unfortunately.

My anger isn't because of ignorance, my anger is because my property taxes have gone from $2,200 to $8,000 in 10 years to pay for a lot of waste and to pay entire benefits for Teachers and town employees.
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2010, 01:48:32 PM »
Just who the hell do they think pays those public sector workers? When those paying your salary are making half as much as you there's something wrong with the system. Unions are NOT the answer (worked out real well for GM, didn't it...now the American tax payer has to pay for them too) because perks and salary eventually overtake profits. But it is kinda funny to hear them spewing sentiments that usually gets us labeled as greedy hatemongers. This thread needs to be saved for the next time one of them talks about greed on the right.

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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2010, 01:55:04 PM »
What did I once read?  Fifty percent of government workers are employed in one fashion or the other to collect the taxes it takes to pay their wages?

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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2010, 02:44:19 PM »
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12. Misery loves company.
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2010, 04:00:48 PM »
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RobinA (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 12:08 PM
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21. Where Are These
 public sector employees who are living high? THAT'S the myth. I am a public sector employee who makes $43,000 with a Masters in a job the requires a Masters. I live in SE PA. I am NOT living high. The only advatage I have is I pay less for medical insurance than some in the private sector. I will have a decent pension - which I pay for at a way higher rate than I ever paid in the private sector. I pay for disabilty insurance completely on my own, it isn't a benefit option. I am 52 years old, have worked my entire life, and have one week vacation, far less than I ever had in the private sector. If the state government closes down for the day because of a blizzard, I still have to be at work because I am "essential." I do have above average job security and a union, so they can't completely screw us. Other than the pathetic vacation, I am not complaining, I know I have it better than a lot of other people. I took this job two years ago because it was union.
I get tired of everybody bitching and moaning about public employees. The really good perks, if they ever existed, only exist for the people who have worked the public sector for a million years. And, I might add, when those peachy benefits came about they were a pay off for truly lousy pay. It is only within the past decade or so that the public sector has been a better deal than the private sector. And for that I have one word UNION. The lesson should be not, let's screww the public sector because at this one point in time they have a moderately better deal, let's take the lesson as - join a freakin' union and have some of your rights preserved.
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Ok, it has had a job for 2 frickin' years and how much vacation does it think it should get?!

Second point .... what the hell is the union doing for it if it has such lousy vacation.

Jeeze.  I can never understand why people think they should start out in a job with 2 weeks sick pay and 4 weeks vacation.  I don't give a damn if you're 52!  You've still only been at the one job for 2 lousy frickin' years.  Earn what you want DUmbass.  Being union you should know the benefits of longevity on the job.

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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2010, 04:44:51 PM »
http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html
and then you have to add ....

Note: The following is a BASE pay scale.  All U.S. locations (including Hawaii and Alaska) receive additional pay adjustments above the base pay ranging from 14.16% to 35.15%. To see the adjustment and pay scale for your location, scroll down the page and click on the location of your choice!

Location, location, location, plus other pay adds for specialties.  You can make good money working for the fed.   

The Boston area is one of the higher areas. 
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2010, 08:30:38 PM »
Not all public workers make enough ....at least in this state (TN) and my county.

Our emergency workers - police, fire and EMT's - most have 2, some 3, jobs in order to make ends meet. They, flat out, are not paid enough. Next county over, pays their's quite a bit more.

Our teachers aren't paid enough either, which is why so many of the good ones, quit here and go to either Georgia or Kentucky, because they are paid more.

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My brother is a state trooper and runs a tire store. His wife is a teacher. My brother also was being a security guard for a local apartment complex to make ends meet. A state trooper and a teacher are very important jobs. The state trooper puts his life on the line daily and helps keep us safe, and the teacher teaches our youth. These jobs (at least in my state) do not pay enough. And these are needed jobs. We must have teachers and law enforcement, but they can't make it on that alone. That goes for firefighters and cops, and I am sure many other professions.
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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2010, 08:53:18 PM »
Nobody is ever paid enough.  We get it.

The problem is that there are too many, by far, government employees
 

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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2010, 08:55:40 PM »
Nobody is ever paid enough.  We get it.

The problem is that there are too many, by far, government employees
 


Amen!  And "public education" would be a great place to start dismantling the beast. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2010, 08:58:43 PM »
Amen!  And "public education" would be a great place to start dismantling the beast. 

and an Amen to you too. The first thing to dump is the US Dept of Education, which educates noone. Let the states run their own schools before we move on to a system of private education.

Then we can start abolishing other parts of Fedzilla.

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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2010, 09:13:47 PM »
how many ag. private sector employees does it take to pay the salary and benefits of a single avg. fed employee?


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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2010, 09:17:09 PM »
Nobody is ever paid enough.  We get it.

The problem is that there are too many, by far, government employees
 



You can mock us for saying that LEO's don't make enough money all you want....

But I've sold houses to City and County officers here....they are just a step above qualifying for food stamps if they don't have second jobs and their wives work.

LEO's donot make the same salaries in every county in the state, let alone the same across the country. Teachers don't either.

And while we at it....the biggest sector of government employees who don't make enough money ....is the military!!

And no....I don't thing you do "get it"...

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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2010, 09:20:59 PM »

You can mock us for saying that LEO's don't make enough money all you want....

But I've sold houses to City and County officers here....they are just a step above qualifying for food stamps if they don't have second jobs and their wives work.

LEO's donot make the same salaries in every county in the state, let alone the same across the country. Teachers don't either.

And while we at it....the biggest sector of government employees who don't make enough money ....is the military!!

And no....I don't thing you do "get it"...
To be fair, they CHOSE those careers knowing full well what they may/may not get paid... Just like teachers, etc. But when you have a cop paying in $120K to their retirement, and pulling out almost $4M in pension and healthcare, something's admittedly way wrong.

I also know cops who are pulling down nearly 6-figures in MN...

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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2010, 09:26:22 PM »
To be fair, they CHOSE those careers knowing full well what they may/may not get paid... Just like teachers, etc. But when you have a cop paying in $120K to their retirement, and pulling out almost $4M in pension and healthcare, something's admittedly way wrong.

I also know cops who are pulling down nearly 6-figures in MN...

I understand that they CHOOSE their career. I just think they should be paid more for the job they do.


http://books.mongabay.com/employment/TN/TN_Knoxville_33-3051.html
Overview
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Every year U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics releases employment and wage figures. This data was released in May 2006 and covers Wages & salaries for Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN

Police and sheriff's patrol officers (Occupation [OCC] code: 33-3051) in Knoxville, TN (BLS Area code: 28940 ) earned an average wage of $16.06 per hour and an average annual salary of $33,400

The BLS estimates that in Knoxville, TN there were around 1,030 employed in the field of Police and sheriff's patrol officers.


  Industry Comparison
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Industry comparison
Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN earned 31% less than average for Police and sheriff's patrol officers in the United States.

Region/area/city comparison
Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN earned 3% less than the average worker in Knoxville, TN.

State salary comparison
Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN earned 13% less than the average worker in Tennessee.

National salary comparison
Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN earned 15% less than the average worker in the United States.

 
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

"My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far I've finished two bags of M&M's and a chocolate cake. I feel better already." – Dave Barry

A balanced diet is chocolate in both hands.

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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2010, 09:35:01 PM »
I understand that they CHOOSE their career. I just think they should be paid more for the job they do.


http://books.mongabay.com/employment/TN/TN_Knoxville_33-3051.html
Overview
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Every year U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics releases employment and wage figures. This data was released in May 2006 and covers Wages & salaries for Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN

Police and sheriff's patrol officers (Occupation [OCC] code: 33-3051) in Knoxville, TN (BLS Area code: 28940 ) earned an average wage of $16.06 per hour and an average annual salary of $33,400

The BLS estimates that in Knoxville, TN there were around 1,030 employed in the field of Police and sheriff's patrol officers.


  Industry Comparison
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Industry comparison
Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN earned 31% less than average for Police and sheriff's patrol officers in the United States.

Region/area/city comparison
Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN earned 3% less than the average worker in Knoxville, TN.

State salary comparison
Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN earned 13% less than the average worker in Tennessee.

National salary comparison
Police and sheriff's patrol officers in Knoxville, TN earned 15% less than the average worker in the United States.

 


I don't have a problem with with LEO salaries, but the bloated bureaucracy of of state and federal governments are what need cut.

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Re: Are public workers paid too much?
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2010, 09:37:58 PM »
I don't have a problem with with LEO salaries, but the bloated bureaucracy of of state and federal governments are what need cut.

I agree with you. Perhaps if there weren't so many employees in those jobs, you could get the same anwer from at least two people.  ::)
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

"My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far I've finished two bags of M&M's and a chocolate cake. I feel better already." – Dave Barry

A balanced diet is chocolate in both hands.