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U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« on: May 23, 2010, 02:46:47 PM »
U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: May 22, 2010
The New York Times

WASHINGTON — A new American intelligence analysis of a deadly torpedo attack on a South Korean warship concludes that Kim Jong-il, the ailing leader of North Korea, must have authorized the torpedo assault, according to senior American officials who cautioned that the assessment was based on their sense of the political dynamics there rather than hard evidence.

The officials said they were increasingly convinced that Mr. Kim ordered the sinking of the ship, the Cheonan, to help secure the succession of his youngest son.

U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack

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Kim Jong-Mentally **** Up is at it again and he attacked South Korea ship Cheonan. Time for South Korea to attack North Korea.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 03:02:48 PM »
Its time for North Korea to give up the ghost
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2010, 03:47:29 PM »
South Korea is expected to bring this up before the UN Security Council, but it's unlikely that China will go along with any strict response to NK.  The US isn't likely to pressure China on this because they need China to go along with sanctions against Iran.  Those sanctions will be ignored, and SK will be have to deal with NK on their own.

So basically, Israel and SK will be left to fend for themselves with little or no help from the US.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2010, 04:25:25 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on May 23, 2010, 03:47:29 PM
South Korea is expected to bring this up before the UN Security Council, but it's unlikely that China will go along with any strict response to NK.  The US isn't likely to pressure China on this because they need China to go along with sanctions against Iran.  Those sanctions will be ignored, and SK will be have to deal with NK on their own.

So basically, Israel and SK will be left to fend for themselves with little or no help from the US.

Sanctions on Iran but exempting Russia apparently
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2010, 04:30:07 PM »
Quote from: FGL on May 23, 2010, 04:25:25 PM
Sanctions on Iran but exempting Russia apparently

A couple of Russian companies were removed from the sanction list already to bribe Russia.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 04:33:21 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on May 23, 2010, 04:30:07 PM
A couple of Russian companies were removed from the sanction list already to bribe Russia.

You guys go ahead and sell those missiles to Iran, we don't mind. We just want the PR value of a done deal.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2010, 07:15:13 PM »
Our warmongering president obviously wants to profiteer from North Korea's oil![/DU mode]
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 08:23:42 AM »
US gets tough, kind of

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37309788/ns/world_news-asiapacific/

US military told to get ready in North Korea standoff

WASHINGTON - The White House said Monday that President Barack Obama "fully supports" the South Korean president and his response to the torpedo attack by North Korea that sank a South Korean naval ship.

In a statement, the White House said Seoul can continue to count on the full backing of the United States and said U.S. military commanders had been told to work with their South Korean counterparts "to ensure readiness and to deter future aggression."

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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2010, 10:27:03 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on May 23, 2010, 04:30:07 PM
A couple of Russian companies were removed from the sanction list already to bribe Russia.

What a pointless ****ing waste of ink.  And oxygen, on the part of our players in this fiasco.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 11:18:42 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on May 24, 2010, 10:27:03 AM
What a pointless ****ing waste of ink.  And oxygen, on the part of our players in this fiasco.

Sanctions with a ton of exceptions. lol.

All he wants is a headline, he could care less about the details
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2010, 11:28:56 AM »
Quote from: FGL on May 24, 2010, 11:18:42 AM
Sanctions with a ton of exceptions. lol.

All he wants is a headline, he could care less about the details

The MSM touts the deals made by Lord Zero, but hide the details way down in the articles, if they report them at all.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2010, 01:07:24 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on May 23, 2010, 04:30:07 PM
A couple of Russian companies were removed from the sanction list already to bribe Russia.
I noticed that quietly this weekend.. how this bunch is not comiting treason or sedition something stinks always with this bunch! Am I wrong? anyone?? 
« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 01:09:56 PM by cavegal »
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2010, 01:09:55 PM »
I see no ones brought this up yet.

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WASHINGTON - The White House said Monday that President Barack Obama "fully supports" the South Korean president and his response to the torpedo attack by North Korea that sank a South Korean naval ship.

In a statement, the White House said Seoul can continue to count on the full backing of the United States and said U.S. military commanders had been told to work with their South Korean counterparts "to ensure readiness and to deter future aggression."

The administration said it endorsed President Lee Myung-bak's demand that "North Korea immediately apologize and punish those responsible for the attack, and, most importantly, stop its belligerent and threatening behavior."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37309788/ns/world_news-asiapacific/

Sounds to me like thats exactly what should be done.  S. Korea was attacked, so we let them take the lead.  But we've also made it clear that we will be in the fight if it comes to it.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2010, 01:14:49 PM »
I'm wondering what NK's response will be to the trade embargo from SK.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2010, 01:24:08 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on May 24, 2010, 01:14:49 PM
I'm wondering what NK's response will be to the trade embargo from SK.
They get everything from China no?
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2010, 01:26:59 PM »
Quote from: cavegal on May 24, 2010, 01:24:08 PM
They get everything from China no?

I don't think so.  Without having time to research, I believe I read somewhere that South Korea provides food stuffs to North Korea.  I could be wrong.  Wouldn't be the first time.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2010, 01:32:35 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on May 24, 2010, 01:26:59 PM
I don't think so.  Without having time to research, I believe I read somewhere that South Korea provides food stuffs to North Korea.  I could be wrong.  Wouldn't be the first time.
Well for some reason this man child has decided to poke someones eye. I do not think this is good idea. He should be fighting the borders here in this country. Must be a diversion of some sort. Or maybe wants this just before the elections!
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2010, 01:33:22 PM »
Quote from: cavegal on May 24, 2010, 01:24:08 PM
They get everything from China no?

They get quite a bit from the South, but they'll have to get more from China, now.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2010, 01:38:32 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on May 24, 2010, 01:33:22 PM
They get quite a bit from the South, but they'll have to get more from China, now.
What do you think is going on ? SK and Israel on their own.. ? Just that simple? well I use the word simple but you know what I am trying to say
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2010, 01:42:03 PM »
Quote from: cavegal on May 24, 2010, 01:38:32 PM
What do you think is going on ? SK and Israel on their own.. ? Just that simple? well I use the word simple but you know what I am trying to say

Israel may be on their own, but that one article said that Lord Zero is standing by SK.  Makes me think that he knows what SK's plans are and that it won't lead to further hostilities.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2010, 01:47:31 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on May 24, 2010, 01:42:03 PM
Israel may be on their own, but that one article said that Lord Zero is standing by SK.  Makes me think that he knows what SK's plans are and that it won't lead to further hostilities.
Strange the world turn of events lately huh? This could also just be excuse to get the troops out of SK? I know this is a stretch, but hey that would make China happy, Taiwan would fall quicker? Just a couple of thoughts for ya!
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2010, 03:48:31 PM »
I suspect it just means he has found out the ROKs don't want to piss off the Chinese either, and has been told the Norks aren't up to a real military adventure unless the Chinese back their play.  He can look semi-tough on the cheap.
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2010, 05:48:40 PM »
woah. hatin' on kim jong. THAT took some sack. :whatever:
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Re: U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2010, 06:14:04 PM »
North Korea needs to be dealt with. They've been needing it for a looooooong time. It scares me, but this is unacceptable. But so is many other things Kim does.
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