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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2010, 04:59:42 PM »
Kaiten were usually mounted on external racks.  The pilot would swim out of the escape hatch, mount up, and drive on to glory for the Emperor.  No ejection pulse involved.

I can rationalize that the Norks would place such a low value on the life of their servicemen as to use such a device........

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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2010, 05:01:25 PM »
I wouldn't put it past them to round up some peasants.  No sense in wasting a trained soldier.
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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2010, 06:07:24 PM »
I wouldn't think the poor bastard would survive the pressure pulse from firing the tube..........

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In a pressure-tight container, sure.  That air basically "impulses" the weapon out of the tube.  It can also do a "swimout"; i.e., no air used.
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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2010, 06:44:15 PM »
I wouldn't put it past them to round up some peasants.  No sense in wasting a trained soldier.

They wouldn't be the first to use a Conscript Guided Munition.

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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2010, 09:48:20 PM »
You guys that are all read up on first-world naval tech are WAY overthinking this.  Jes' sayin'.
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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2010, 09:57:41 PM »
You guys that are all read up on first-world naval tech are WAY overthinking this.  Jes' sayin'.

A FReeper TXnMA has reconstructed images of the recovered parts of the ship and compared it to an image of the ship class.



It was more likely an explosive placed directly on the hull by divers or a torpedo, very unlikely it was a mine new or old.

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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2010, 09:58:54 PM »
That spot is where its engine noise would be the LOUDEST to attract an acoustical torpedo or whatever.

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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2010, 10:56:46 PM »
I might add that the whole kaiten discussion is incredibly silly, even with pilots who were willing to die for the Emperor and truly believed they were dying to save their country from a fate worse than death, their success rate was abysmally bad. 
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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2010, 11:30:40 PM »
That spot is where its engine noise would be the LOUDEST to attract an acoustical torpedo or whatever.

Not necessarily.  Screw noise is just as loud, if not louder, as is other machinery such as reduction gearing.

And your pics don't rule out a contact mine.
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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2010, 05:59:52 AM »
A FReeper TXnMA has reconstructed images of the recovered parts of the ship and compared it to an image of the ship class.



It was more likely an explosive placed directly on the hull by divers or a torpedo, very unlikely it was a mine new or old.

No offense intended - but the ship pictured there looks substantially larger than the one pictured in the recovery photos.

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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2010, 09:34:09 AM »
No offense intended - but the ship pictured there looks substantially larger than the one pictured in the recovery photos.


Regardless it was a Pohang class corvette sunk and the bow and stern seem to line up perfect in the super imposed image.

Sparky the boat drafted less than 10 feet, a boat like the McKee drafted 26 feet and was three times the size
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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2010, 11:14:47 AM »
No offense intended - but the ship pictured there looks substantially larger than the one pictured in the recovery photos.

It's the same class and the superimposed image of the recovered parts is added in the first image.

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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2010, 12:18:09 PM »
I wouldn't put it past them to round up some peasants.  No sense in wasting a trained soldier.

Same here. North Korea would use their trained soldiers to invade South Korea.
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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2010, 06:13:40 PM »
Regardless it was a Pohang class corvette sunk and the bow and stern seem to line up perfect in the super imposed image.

Sparky the boat drafted less than 10 feet, a boat like the McKee drafted 26 feet and was three times the size

Okay--I just found the draft info for the Pohang class.   I figured a 1200-ton ship wouldn't draft that much, but dayum! 

I'm still skeptical about the submarine angle, though.  60 feet deep?  Not happening.
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Re: South Korean military believes North Korea torpedoes its ship
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2010, 06:19:56 PM »
SK Defense Minister says torpedo