In case you had any doubt that the Democrats are in trouble....

[georgephillip]

Carl:

Do you think the $13 trillion handout to Wall Street means Main Street can't prosper without creating hundreds of Wall Street billionaires?

Do you think a 30% interest charge on credit cards leads to a higher standard of living for anyone except investment bankers?

Should Obama help the debtors or heal the creditors, at public expense?

According to IMF figures this country began this century producing 32% of the planet's GDP. We finished the first decade by producing 24%. No other state in history, except the Soviet Union, has taken such a FALL in one decade.

Do you think Wall Street even cares?

[Carl]

Carl:

Do you think the $13 trillion handout to Wall Street means Main Street can't prosper without creating hundreds of Wall Street billionaires?

Do you think a 30% interest charge on credit cards leads to a higher standard of living for anyone except investment bankers?

Should Obama help the debtors or heal the creditors, at public expense?

According to IMF figures this country began this century producing 32% of the planet's GDP. We finished the first decade by producing 24%. No other state in history, except the Soviet Union, has taken such a FALL in one decade.

Do you think Wall Street even cares?

The first thing you have done in error is accept some socialist nonsense that there is an evil bogeyman out there trying to keep you down.
It is garbage,and the sooner one learns that business both small and large is what has made this country prosper then the better off they will be.

Your credit card question is a nonsensical one and shows an ignorance of the credit world.
You do understand what a credit card is and how one should be used don`t you?
If you think it is free money or should be a no interest loan then you have an elementary age view of the world.

You seem to suggest that someone who has not followed a wise and responsible financial plan should some how be made whole at the publics expense and detriment.
I don`t think that.

Let me guess...you have the notion that we should withdraw from the global economy and somehow all goods being purchased today will magically be produced here for the same price.
Please explain how with unions,restrictive business regulations,environmental regulations that won`t allow a manufacturing facility to be built,restrictions on energy production and exploration that happens.

[Doc]

Do you think the $13 trillion handout to Wall Street means Main Street can't prosper without creating hundreds of Wall Street billionaires?

I think that most of us will agree that government bailouts of any private industry was/is a bad idea......

Do you think a 30% interest charge on credit cards leads to a higher standard of living for anyone except investment bankers?

Actually I think this is great.....if you are stupid enough to end up carrying a credit card balance with that kind of interest, I think that is fine with me.......stupidity should be expensive.......and no one owes anyone else a "standard of living".......you get off your ass and actually "work" for that.....

Should Obama help the debtors or heal the creditors, at public expense?

No......most of us just want Obama to leave us alone........

According to IMF figures this country began this century producing 32% of the planet's GDP. We finished the first decade by producing 24%. No other state in history, except the Soviet Union, has taken such a FALL in one decade.

So what.....we've rebuilt Europe (twice), Japan, South Korea, and a number of other former enemies, and turned them into economic powerhouses over that century.....this is a bad thing how?........The global economy as a result has expanded by at least an order of magnitude, and our piece is therefore smaller........I really don't see a problem.....the US economy has greatly expanded over that period of time as well.......

Do you think Wall Street even cares?

So long as they are making money from it (and subsequently making ME money as well).....why should they care?
Wall Street is not a benevolent organization.....

doc

[Rick]

Why do you insist it is wall street/ bankers that are the problem. I see too much government meddling. Mandates like: you will give unqualified people home loans. Look to Maxine Waters and Barny Frank for your banking Bogey man.

[Chris_]

doc:

Tell me if the following is too oblique for you...personally...

TRUE or FALSE...

Those who profit from wars they're too gutless to fight in (like Bubba, Dubya, and Wall Street) are cowards..

I would observe that this is simply too silly a statement to merit a true or false answer.......companies make profits during times of war and peace.......and with the exception of Clinton (GWB did serve, contrary to popular belief)......I would suspect that many on Wall Street have as well......sweeping generalizations leave us with the impression that you simply don't know much about the subject.....

doc

[DumbAss Tanker]

I don't agree with this at all.  You face your opposition -- in this case, these were his biggest allies.   He made a commitment.  He shows.   The union leadership was not walking.  Just the members.    You respect dissent. 

He ran away like a school girl.  Hell even mumbles Menino has taken his lumps and showed when he knows he was going to be hammered.   

Not a big believer in Sun Tzu, I see.  Well, neither was Custer.

[georgephillip]

doc:

You write "Wall Street is not a benevolent organization."

Is Wall Street a patriotic organization? Have a few of the richest individuals on the planet enhanced their huge fortunes by shipping out America's manufacturing base to China?

What about Wall Street integrity?  Are you worried they could absorb your wealth with as little concern as you show for someone "stupid" enough to carry 30% interest on their credit card balance?

The criminality that Wall Street shares with Washington seems hard to miss when you look at something like the The Plunge Protection Team, currently accused of using the Fed to manipulate the stock market by buying market averages in the Futures Market.

If the gap between the rich and the rest continues to widen in the US, a vacuum will open in a country with 200 million private guns.

And Wall Street will look for ways to "make money" from American killing fields.   

[Carl]

doc:

You write "Wall Street is not a benevolent organization."

Is Wall Street a patriotic organization? Have a few of the richest individuals on the planet enhanced their huge fortunes by shipping out America's manufacturing base to China?

What about Wall Street integrity?  Are you worried they could absorb your wealth with as little concern as you show for someone "stupid" enough to carry 30% interest on their credit card balance?

The criminality that Wall Street shares with Washington seems hard to miss when you look at something like the The Plunge Protection Team, currently accused of using the Fed to manipulate the stock market by buying market averages in the Futures Market.

If the gap between the rich and the rest continues to widen in the US, a vacuum will open in a country with 200 million private guns.

And Wall Street will look for ways to "make money" from American killing fields.   

Take your greed,envy,class jealousy back to the demented cretins at the DUmp where they thrive on festering rot.

You want to live a life whining about shit instead of doing your best to make the most of things then go ahead..your choice but you will forever be a miserable loser.

[Splashdown]

That's it! Get me Wall Street on the phone! I'll put them in jail right next to Society, because "Society is to blame...."

Get over it. Live your life. If you want a higher standard of living for yourself, go get it. "Wall Street" won't stop you. Stop blaming a block in New York. Stop pretending to be a damn victim.

Manufacturing jobs are leaving this country because of oppressive tax codes and stupid union demands. (look up Pratt and Whitney).

Jeez. What a damn class envious whiner. Get a job, then get a life. Either way, stop blaming other people because YOU're unhappy.

[thundley4]

Manufacturing jobs are leaving this country because of oppressive tax codes and stupid union demands. (look up Pratt and Whitney).

Don't forget overly restrictive environmental laws, that make it nearly impossible to build a new factory in some places.

[Splashdown]

Don't forget overly restrictive environmental laws, that make it nearly impossible to build a new factory in some places.

Yielded and duly noted! 

When was the last time a refinery was built in the US? 30 years ago?

[Carl]

Don't forget overly restrictive environmental laws, that make it nearly impossible to build a new factory in some places.

I asked the new troll that yesterday and of course was conveniently ignored.
These idiots are a boiler room dime a dozen.

[DefiantSix]

Yielded and duly noted! 

When was the last time a refinery was built in the US? 30 years ago?

Closing in on 40, actually.

[Eupher]

doc:

You write "Wall Street is not a benevolent organization."

Is Wall Street a patriotic organization? Have a few of the richest individuals on the planet enhanced their huge fortunes by shipping out America's manufacturing base to China?

What about Wall Street integrity?  Are you worried they could absorb your wealth with as little concern as you show for someone "stupid" enough to carry 30% interest on their credit card balance?

The criminality that Wall Street shares with Washington seems hard to miss when you look at something like the The Plunge Protection Team, currently accused of using the Fed to manipulate the stock market by buying market averages in the Futures Market.

If the gap between the rich and the rest continues to widen in the US, a vacuum will open in a country with 200 million private guns.

And Wall Street will look for ways to "make money" from American killing fields.   

This guy isn't just drinking the Kool-Aid, he's wallowing in it. 

Doc has said that Wall Street is an entity that deals in MONEY. Not "killing fields" or "killing babies" or any warm 'n fuzzy attribute that is right out of the DU playbook.

What is your problem with rich people? You do realize that most of them (the Hollyweird elite being perhaps notable exceptions) got there because of hard work and risk-taking. Accent is on the "hard work".

Whiners like you make me appreciate how fortunate I am in being able to recognize success with hard work.

Sparky, I'll take that bet -- I think georgphillip will last some time, certainly longer than 9.5 posts. I think he's a drive-by, actually.

[dandi]

Do you think the $13 trillion handout to Wall Street means Main Street can't prosper without creating hundreds of Wall Street billionaires?

Handing a failing business my tax money is always a bad idea.  Putting financial and manufacturing businesses in the hands of communist thugs is an even worse idea.

Do you think a 30% interest charge on credit cards leads to a higher standard of living for anyone except investment bankers?

If you are stupid enough to get one of those, then you should experience all of the pain of having to pay it back.  Living within your means and budgeting are more than pretty words, they are a way of life to the smart and an anathema to the greedy and galactically stupid consumer.

Should Obama help the debtors or heal the creditors, at public expense?

Obama should worry more about how he can get the government the hell out of the way so we can grow the GDP and keep the revenue flowing into the coffers.

According to IMF figures this country began this century producing 32% of the planet's GDP. We finished the first decade by producing 24%. No other state in history, except the Soviet Union, has taken such a FALL in one decade.

So what are you doing to get the anti-business party out of power?

Do you think Wall Street even cares?

Considering how much money they paid to Obama during the campaign and how bad he is screwing them right now, I would say that they care and they are paying very close attention.

[Chris_]

Is Wall Street a patriotic organization? Have a few of the richest individuals on the planet enhanced their huge fortunes by shipping out America's manufacturing base to China?

The investment markets are, by definition, there for the purpose of managing and investing money.......in our capitalistic system, I would broadly define that as patriotic, as it supports the American way of life, and all that goes with it. 

As mentioned by someone else, Wall Street is not responsible for shipping ONE JOB out of  the country, not one........that falls squarely on the heads of labor unions pricing American goods out of a competitive world market,  and the politicians with strict (and useless) regulation and taxation......if businesses can go elsewhere and make their products more competitively they will do so, and will continue to do so, until the "political class" wakes up and creates a lower cost and regulatory friendly environment for American business.

What about Wall Street integrity?  Are you worried they could absorb your wealth with as little concern as you show for someone "stupid" enough to carry 30% interest on their credit card balance?

No.....I'm not worried.......I have done business with the same financial adviser for over thirty years, and he has never cheated me out of a penny........when I make money, he makes money, and he has done quite well for both of us over that period of time......

The criminality that Wall Street shares with Washington seems hard to miss when you look at something like the The Plunge Protection Team, currently accused of using the Fed to manipulate the stock market by buying market averages in the Futures Market.

I don't know what "criminality" Wall Street shares with Washington, unless you are referring to certain members of congress forcing banks and mortgage companies to lend money to people that can't afford to pay it back, for "affirmative action" reasons, creating the disaster that is Fanny and Freddy.......that I will lay solely at the feet of the politicians.......left to  their own best interests, the financial institutions would have never made those loans to begin with, and we would have never had the "credit crash" that dumped the markets........there have certainly been instances of dishonesty by business (Enron comes to mind), but overall, most of the problems that we see in the financial markets are the result of "government" actions and not "Wall Street".....

If the gap between the rich and the rest continues to widen in the US, a vacuum will open in a country with 200 million private guns.

So what......as I said in another response......stupidity should be expensive, and painful, if necessary.........and what does gun ownership have to do with it?   I invest in the markets, and I also own a hell of a lot of guns.......Are you suggesting that the riff-raff are going to come for the investor class with torches and pitchforks?  Pure nonsense and hyperbole........the "poor" are too busy sitting on their butts eating Cheetos, and watching "American Idol" to concern themselves with anything other than where their next welfare check is coming from......If they are too stupid to go out and find a job, and "actually participate" in the American economy, what makes you think that they have the ability to organize anything other than a trip to the convenience store with their WIC card?

And Wall Street will look for ways to "make money" from American killing fields

A truly dumb statement, but hypothetically of course......I suspect that they would, and I would be right there with them......I am a capitalist, after all........

doc

[miskie]

This guy isn't just drinking the Kool-Aid, he's wallowing in it. 

Im not so convinced - there seems to be a concerted effort by the left to cause a 3rd party split to occur that would affect the conservative vote. - I'm not saying this guy is a paid disruptor but I think either he or a website he visits came up with an idea to separate 'rethugglikkans' and 'teabaggers' into differnt parties to insure Democrat victories.

It's also equally likely that this guy is a left over Paultard.

[georgephillip]

Miske:

I haven't been stupid enough to vote Republican OR Democrat for decades. Only a devout slave would think choosing between either political subsidiary of Wall Street would lead to freedom.

I suspect the only thing we could all agree on at this very moment is that this dialog could only happen over the Internet...The Internet is...R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N!.......in our time.

In that spirit of Revolution.... FLUSH the DC TOILET of as many Republicans AND Democrats as possible next November 2nd....choose as many replacements as possible from all viable third parties.

If exactly one year from today there are...40....50.....100 (200?!) new House members and 75%-90% are neither Republican nor Democrat......Wall Street and its Investor Class, rhymes-with-rich handmaidens will get the chance to fight for their blood money from sea to shining sea................

[Carl]

Miske:

I haven't been stupid enough to vote Republican OR Democrat for decades. Only a devout slave would think choosing between either political subsidiary of Wall Street would lead to freedom.

I suspect the only thing we could all agree on at this very moment is that this dialog could only happen over the Internet...The Internet is...R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N!.......in our time.

In that spirit of Revolution.... FLUSH the DC TOILET of as many Republicans AND Democrats as possible next November 2nd....choose as many replacements as possible from all viable third parties.

If exactly one year from today there are...40....50.....100 (200?!) new House members and 75%-90% are neither Republican nor Democrat......Wall Street and its Investor Class, rhymes-with-rich handmaidens will get the chance to fight for their blood money from sea to shining sea................

 

Eff off troll.

[Chris_]

I haven't been stupid enough to vote Republican OR Democrat for decades. Only a devout slave would think choosing between either political subsidiary of Wall Street would lead to freedom.
I suspect the only thing we could all agree on at this very moment is that this dialog could only happen over the Internet...The Internet is...R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N!.......in our time.

In that spirit of Revolution.... FLUSH the DC TOILET of as many Republicans AND Democrats as possible next November 2nd....choose as many replacements as possible from all viable third parties.

If exactly one year from today there are...40....50.....100 (200?!) new House members and 75%-90% are neither Republican nor Democrat......Wall Street and its Investor Class, rhymes-with-rich handmaidens will get the chance to fight for their blood money from sea to shining sea................

Good grief.........

doc

[Carl]

Good grief.........

doc

Had him called a couple of pages ago...just another infection of unrealistic and self aggrandizing drivel.

[TheSarge]

Choosing between Republican and Democrat guarantees a win for Wall Street.
And a loss for 90% of all Americans.

You guys that go around spouting that there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats have the intellectual depth of a wading pool.

[TheSarge]

Wall Street exists to concentrate wealth into fewer and fewer hands with each passing generation. With help from the Federal Reserve,

Then how do you explain the fact taht so many of the people that drive wall street every day are NOT these huge eeeeevil billionaires you seem to despise...but private investors...small businesses and the middle class?

Your mindset and class warfare tactics are of a pre 1929 era.

the American standard of living is rapidly approaching those of a banana republic.

If that's the case then why are so many people who live in REAL banana republics risking life and limb to come here to find a better way of life?

Anyone serious about change would vote AGAINST all congressional Republicans AND Democrats running for reelection on November 2nd.

And just who exactly SHOULD we vote for genius?

[Carl]

You will never get an answer TRG because they never have answers...just broad proclamations of Utopian,idealistic nonsense that inevitably will end with this person telling us how he is so much more pure and we are all stupid.

The script is very old and tired to thinking folks but at least they FEEEEEEEL so good about themselves in the end.

[whiffleball]

the American standard of living is rapidly approaching those of a banana republic.

Yep, the US is so close to banana republic that you guys are forced to R-E-V-O-L-T online.  I do hope you aren't paying one of those ISP providers with WS ties for your Internet connection.