Ever see true insanity?

[Carl]

SDuderstadt  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-11-10 11:52 PM
Original message
A simple challenge to "no-planers"
   
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 12:51 AM by SDuderstadt
The links below will take you to the eyewitness testimony of many survivors of the 9/11 attacks on WTC 1 & 2. As I'm sure you'll notice, many of them say that they smelled burning jet fuel and/or were burned by it. So, here's my question. If what you claim is true, why do so many witnesses directly contradict your claim? Isn't it time to admit the "no-planes" wing of the "truth movement" has been exposed as a fraud.

I'm dying to hear how you guys will try to wiggle out of this one. Good luck.


http://911stories.googlepages.com/insidethenorthtower%3 ...
http://911stories.googlepages.com/insidethenorthtower%3 ...
http://911stories.googlepages.com/insidethenorthtower%3 ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x278562

twhite1 (39 posts)        Tue Jan-12-10 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. "what more evidence do you need to see?"
   
None.


The videos shown on national TV (and widely available all over the Net) show images of planes that are clearly not real.

It IS true that real planes were seen flying in the NYC area on that particular morning, but none of them crashed there. If they
had, they would be in the videos which are said (by some) to have been captured live "as it happened".
   

twhite1 (39 posts)        Tue Jan-12-10 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. One of the problems with your position is
   
that the videos do not show real planes crashing into the WTC, so either your witnesses are mistaken or else the videos have been
doctored to include fake planes.

Maybe you believe that jet fuel was stored somewhere in the upper floors of the WTC and it spilled down after the explosions
which rocked the buildings and ultimately caused them to collapse. That might be what you're thinking, but if it is, that
still doesn't explain the obvious fact that the planes seen in the videos aren't real planes.

I don't know HOW you rationalize it, but it's your problem, not mine.

twhite1 (39 posts)        Tue Jan-12-10 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. That still doesn't solve the problem
   
They may have been "badly burned by burning jet fuel", but the fact is that the videos do not show real planes.

That still leaves open the possibility which I posted - i.e., maybe there was some jet fuel stored on one or more of the upper floors
and it was ignited by the detonation of explosions which were set off to bring/"pull" the buildings down. Unfortunately, even that
explanation doesn't solve the problem of videos which do not show real planes crashing into the WTC.

That's quite a challenge for you to try and explain, isn't it?

   

twhite1 (39 posts)        Tue Jan-12-10 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. I don't have any delusions and I certainly don't believe yours
   
I KNOW that neither you nor anyone else can reconcile the problem you face in trying to maintain what simply is
an impossibility.

I think that you should just admit it and move on. Fake planes and burning jet fuel just don't match up, do they?

twhite1 (39 posts)        Wed Jan-13-10 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. The public isn't stupid. Just as they know that the WC lied
   Edited on Wed Jan-13-10 03:50 PM by twhite1
and covered up the truth about the JFK assassination, they're also smart enough to know that planes can't melt into buildings.
Like most other people, I too was fooled by what I saw on TV back in 2001, but once it was pointed out to me that the videos
showed fake plane crashes and I was able to see the videos on the Net (has MSM ever shown them again since 2001?), it was
obvious that the planes and the crashes are fake. Everyone I've ever pointed this out to has agreed.

You say that you have never met anyone who believed it. I'm sure you are honest and sincere. Maybe the reason why
no one that you've met believes the videos are fake has something to do with the people you hang out with and know. Could THAT be why?

Spooked has to show up...

spooked911  (1000+ posts)          Thu Jan-14-10 09:14 AM
Response to Original message
58. This hardly kills the idea of no-planes
   For one, tanks of jet fuel could have been planted in the towers along with the explosives used to mimic the plane crashes. So that's the simplest explanation.

Another possibility is that these people were wrong-- that they were burned by something else and were manipulated into thinking it was jet fuel. The idea that large amounts of burning jet fuel splashed down hundreds of feet in elevator shafts and then went inside elevators has always been problematic anyway, given the layout of the elevators, and the amount of jet fuel that could conceivably go into a shaft.

sgsmith (212 posts)        Fri Jan-15-10 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. Nukes
   Ya forgot the nukes!
Micro nukes. The kind that don't give off the signatures of normal nukes.

And I seem to recall chicken wire building "models" and gasoline proved that the WTC towers couldn't have collapsed.

 


You proud of this idiocy that finds a home at the Dump lurkers?

[JohnnyReb]

Finally! I can tell the truth. I got paid well to carry 5 gallon buckets of jet fuel up 80 stories worth of stairs. Took me 30 years to fill the tanks but I made it right on time. Actually, I was a few months ahead of schedule....and Rove paid me well for that.

Why didn't I use the elevators, you ask? Everybody took the elevators, I would have been seen. Nobody ever took the stairs. Rove didn't get where he is today by being stupid.

If they don't soon pass Obamacare, it's going to take every dime I made to replace my worn out knees and hips.

[chitownchica]

Good find Carl.  I always know the crazies will come up whenever 9/11 comes up.  I especially like this little exchange:

Flatulo (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-13-10 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #23
38. And you know this how...?
 > Millions of people know that the planes shown crashing into the WTC are fake.

Other than a few internet cranks, I have never met anyone who believed this.

Have you shared this information with a qualified/licensed therapist? Would you ever? If not, why? If so, what was his/her reaction?

twhite doesn't need no stinkin' therapist.  He KNOWS what happened.

twhite1 (39 posts)      Wed Jan-13-10 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. The public isn't stupid. Just as they know that the WC lied
 Edited on Wed Jan-13-10 02:50 PM by twhite1
and covered up the truth about the JFK assassination, they're also smart enough to know that planes can't melt into buildings.
Like most other people, I too was fooled by what I saw on TV back in 2001, but once it was pointed out to me that the videos
showed fake plane crashes and I was able to see the videos on the Net (has MSM ever shown them again since 2001?), it was
obvious that the planes and the crashes are fake. Everyone I've ever pointed this out to has agreed.

You say that you have never met anyone who believed it. I'm sure you are honest and sincere. Maybe the reason why
no one that you've met believes the videos are fake has something to do with the people you hang out with and know. Could THAT be why? 

By 'everyone I've ever pointed this out to', he's probably referring to Spooked.

Flatulo (1000+ posts)      Wed Jan-13-10 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Maybe the reason why ...
 > Maybe the reason why no one that you've met believes the videos are fake has something
> to do with the people you hang out with and know. Could THAT be why?

Dude, I'm a professional mechanical engineer. I hang out with highly educated types. And if any of my friends started telling nme that no planes hit the WTC, I would drag them, kicking and screaming if necessary, to a qualified therapist. If they refused to go, I would inform their families that they are having very serious delusions.

The exchange just gets better and better 


 

[Carl]

Finally! I can tell the truth. I got paid well to carry 5 gallon buckets of jet fuel up 80 stories worth of stairs. Took me 30 years to fill the tanks but I made it right on time. Actually, I was a few months ahead of schedule....and Rove paid me well for that.

Why didn't I use the elevators, you ask? Everybody took the elevators, I would have been seen. Nobody ever took the stairs. Rove didn't get where he is today by being stupid.

If they don't soon pass Obamacare, it's going to take every dime I made to replace my worn out knees and hips.

Don`t forget the teams that planted all the explosives (mini nukes even) in both buildings while no one saw.
Drilling into columns of steel and concrete without any rubble or question.

Setting up a manifest of hundreds of passengers on the faked planes to willingly die or be forever removed from their loved ones for the cause.

It is mindboggling.  

[Carl]

Good find Carl.  I always know the crazies will come up whenever 9/11 comes up.  I especially like this little exchange:

twhite doesn't need no stinkin' therapist.  He KNOWS what happened.

By 'everyone I've ever pointed this out to', he's probably referring to Spooked.
 

The exchange just gets better and better 


 

Dutch here usually does it and kudos to him for it...wandering the 9/11 forum really tests ones ability to not advocate for termination of the insane.

[Airwolf]

Everyday at the Dump we see true insanity. Its the best entertainment since they invented TV.

[dutch508]

Dutch here usually does it and kudos to him for it...wandering the 9/11 forum really tests ones ability to not advocate for termination of the insane.

I go into the 9/11 forum on DU in order to reenforce my own faith that people are ****ing stupid. I read the crap there in the same manner a Frankish knight would have read the bible before charging at Hattin. That people should truely believe such things simply makes me more willing to do my job.

[The Village Idiot]

I go into the 9/11 forum on DU in order to reenforce my own faith that people are ******* stupid. I read the crap there in the same manner a Frankish knight would have read the bible before charging at Hattin. That people should truely believe such things simply makes me more willing to do my job.

I think if TSHTF we need to just erase the truly insane from the earth

[DumbAss Tanker]

Finally! I can tell the truth. I got paid well to carry 5 gallon buckets of jet fuel up 80 stories worth of stairs. Took me 30 years to fill the tanks but I made it right on time. Actually, I was a few months ahead of schedule....and Rove paid me well for that.

Why didn't I use the elevators, you ask? Everybody took the elevators, I would have been seen. Nobody ever took the stairs. Rove didn't get where he is today by being stupid.

If they don't soon pass Obamacare, it's going to take every dime I made to replace my worn out knees and hips.

I'm not trying to be critical here, but why didn't you just send in the fuel bladders inside cases of copy paper via UPS like the rest of us?  You had to have gone through more than the shipping cost just in parking and the hassle of getting in and out of downtown NYC.  It was all delivered a day or two before, stacked up and waiting, we didn't even have to be around that day.  Just sayin'.

[md11hydmec]

I just read the whole exchange. All I can say is wow, some of those people are stupid.  It was hilarious when they brought up the chicken wire and cinderblock argument.  Loony tunes all of them!

[AllosaursRus]

Yep! Ya just can't believe your own eyes when "W" was in charge! He could make night day, and day night! Hmmmmm......... how the hell did he **** up that "Dictator for Life" thing??????????

[Randy]

Yep! Ya just can't believe your own eyes when "W" was in charge! He could make night day, and day night! Hmmmmm......... how the hell did he **** up that "Dictator for Life" thing??????????

He knew this lucrative Haiti thing was coming up on the schedule so he decided to sell out. 

[diesel driver]

He knew this lucrative Haiti thing was coming up on the schedule so he decided to sell out. 

Yes, the all powerful, all knowing Rove had foreseen all this....

[BlueStateSaint]

Yes, the all powerful, all knowing Rove had foreseen all this....

You haven't been keeping current on your VRWC message traffic, have you?  You would have acknowledged this a year ago, if you had . . . 

[happy1ga]

And you KNOW that it was a natural earthquake, how? It most likely was a man caused disaster of Rovian origins. It is the only thing a truly sane person could accept.

[BlueStateSaint]

And you KNOW that it was a natural earthquake, how? It most likely was a man caused disaster of Rovian origins. It is the only thing a truly sane person could accept.

 

[happy1ga]

Think about it! The earth could never move ALL BY ITSELF! That is the freakiest thing I have ever heard.

And I am pretty sure the Earth is flat and has a feevah.

[The Village Idiot]

Think about it! The earth could never move ALL BY ITSELF! That is the freakiest thing I have ever heard.

And I am pretty sure the Earth is flat and has a feevah.

 

[happy1ga]

FGL,

My hubby and I are steel brokers. Hubby has been dealing with every aspect of it for going on 30 yrs. I will never forget the first time we were watching tv after 9/11 and the whole "fire doesnt melt steel" type crap was discussed. We both turn to look at each other and we both had the most stunned looks on our faces. I still feel that way.

[The Village Idiot]

FGL,

My hubby and I are steel brokers. Hubby has been dealing with every aspect of it for going on 30 yrs. I will never forget the first time we were watching tv after 9/11 and the whole "fire doesnt melt steel" type crap was discussed. We both turn to look at each other and we both had the most stunned looks on our faces. I still feel that way.

did he ever see the chicken wire video that "proves" it?? lol

[happy1ga]

Oh, I showed it to him. He thought it was a bunch of dumb kids being silly. Then I showed him their posts. His comment was we needed more mental institutions and stricter laws in this country.

[Oceander]

Oh, I showed it to him. He thought it was a bunch of dumb kids being silly. Then I showed him their posts. His comment was we needed more mental institutions and stricter laws in this country.

Indeed, we do.  Liberalism is a mental illness.

[Chris]

Oh, I showed it to him. He thought it was a bunch of dumb kids being silly. Then I showed him their posts. His comment was we needed more mental institutions and stricter laws in this country.

Maybe that's why they're all angry about Reagan "closing all the mental hospitals".  They have nowhere to house their voting base between elections.

[Oceander]

Maybe that's why they're all angry about Reagan "closing all the mental hospitals".  They have nowhere to house their voting base between elections.

Sure they do - in non-English-speaking ghettoes, like the houses in places like Farmingdale, NY that are stuffed full of illegals.

[The Village Idiot]

Maybe that's why they're all angry about Reagan "closing all the mental hospitals".  They have nowhere to house their voting base between elections.

It was the left with an expose on NBC by Geraldo that forced the closure of the Asylums.