DUmmy Raven is shocked, shocked that the socialists she helped to elect are the party of tax, tax, tax, as we said all along. No, she is shocked that even she, who supported them right down the line, is going to be hit by the increased taxes and reduced access to health care that is inherent in communist theology:
Raven (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 02:28 PM
Original message
I don't get it. Why is the government going to tax me for HCR to correct
a problem that I didn't create and then take my money and pay the insurance companies, drug companies and hospitals who did create the problem? Something is really wrong with this picture. How does this make any sense at all and what happened to the party that I trusted to do the right thing? How do these people expect to be reelected? Where do they think people are going to find the money to pay this? What planet are they living on?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7428991Now, one DUmbass after another expresses shock and dismay at democrats simply acting like democrats:
anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
1. The capitol should be moved to ****ing Montana or something
It needs to be as far away from Wall Street as logistically possible.
dkf (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
2. They are trying to curb what every doctor recommends in treatments by taxing you.
Doesn't that make so much sense?
DUmmy flyarm, who has Cadillac health insurance through the Baltimore Orioles, is appalled that her fellow socialists would raise her taxes and put her into a 16-bed hospital ward instead of her private suite at Johns Hopkins:
flyarm (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. another words..they are playing doctor with no medical training?
I don't want a pencil jockey in some office deciding what medical care my doctors deem nessesary, for my health care..so I have to be penalized because some pencil jockey wants to curb my doctor from being my doctor?????
I am beyond disgust..and any American that thinks this is "good " is ****ing nuts!
The delight of freudenschade is tempered by the fact that this socialism will affect all of us. But it's still nice to see their shock as the realize what it is that they elected.
Now DUmmy frazzled makes one of the stupidest arguments in the history of stupid arguments:
frazzled (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 02:42 PM
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4. They're not going to tax you
Which goes to show, I think, that you really don't get it.
If you're speaking of the excise tax, even then they're not going to tax you. The tax is on the insurer. Will they pass along the cost to you? Well, no: your employer, if she or he is not insane, is going to find a plan that doesn't exceed the very generous maximum. Which doesn't necessarily mean it will have significantly worse benefits. (Maybe you'll have to make a $20 copay for office visits instead of none--but that's a good thing. Not you, but maybe lots of your coworkers overuse doctors' visits, going for every hangnail, and thus raising the costs for the whole nation.) If your plan is high because your older, or a coal miner or fire fighter, that's covered, too. Your plan has to be way way higher for it to qualify for the tax. Again, it's not you who will pay the tax.
DUmmy frazzled immediately gets blasted by every DUmbass in sight:
Raven (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. No, I think you really don't get it. Your post is so full of fudge that
I gained 10 pounds reading it.
doc03 (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #19
35. Translation: If you have a good health-care plan you
fought decades to get, the government thinks you get to much so they will do what the companies have failed to do even after 3 decades of strikes and lock-outs. Government by and for the insurance and health-care industry, the best government that can be bought.
FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Which means HIGHER Co-pay with LESS Coverage
Change we can Beleive in alright
DUmmy flyarm is really pissed. The muslim won't allow her the standard of care that the round red faggot got:
flyarm (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
14. do i have ****ing swamp land for you..real cheap too..with aligators included..
such a deal i know you will fall for it!!
what freaking planet are you from?????????
I know they say ..there is a fool born every minute..but you take the cake!!
Exactly..who..do you think you are kidding here??
Do you think all of us are inguts?????? And do not understand the concept at work here??????
wow..is all i can say..wow..I didn't know it could get this dumb around here.
DUmmy frazzled is still stuck on stupid:
frazzled (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Your opinion versus that of all the top liberal health and labor economists
in the nation. Let's see, given that I'm fairly ignorant, I'm going to stake my bets on the labor and health economists on this one.
80% of the revenues expected to be generated from this excise tax won't come from the tax on the insurers themselves--it comes from the increased wages that will result from keeping the costs of policies down for employers. Now, you're gonna say that's not going to happen. I'll just repeat, every major liberal economist (including Paul Krugman today) says it will.
Somehow the term "top liberal economist" just doesn't sound right.
Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
36. There WILL be extra taxes to cover the "subsidy"
And it will only get worse as time goes on and insurers demand more profits.
frazzled (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. Spoken like a true Republican
Turn everything you don't like into a scary "tax" on everybody (even if it's the estate tax, which affects less than 1% of individuals in this country).
Crikey, I've never seen a place that likes to call itself "liberal" get so hysterical about the idea of taxes ... and especially non-existent taxes that don't affect them.
I don't know whether there are Republicans posing here as liberals to troll, or whether the left has turned in on itself and become the right.
But all this libertarian, anti-tax, anti-mandate hysteria is absolute and utter crap ... and the antithesis of liberal values.
Liberals only like taxes that they don't have to pay.
Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-09-10 03:30 PM
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21. They are basically making sure everyone pays the Insurance Industry...
For a Single Payer Health Care Reform Plan, but they are keeping the same Insurance Industry health care system in place.
Think about how many are paying their so-called 'Cadillac' rates now and how many more will be paying that by the time their alleged HCR goes into effect. It was a bait and switch gimmick all along to FORCE everyone to buy insurance from the Insurance Industry, and those who have insurance now will be paying for those who don't have it now.
That is the bottom line to this HCR/DLC SHIT Bill.
