DUmmies Discuss Outrage At What They Have Elected

[BlueStateSaint]

In the inimitable words of a certain shrew:  "Are you serious?  Are you serious?"  Is this snake oil really what they're selling?  Did the CBO come up with this?  If so, they all need to go work in a real business for about 10 years, then we'll talk.  No such thing will happen, and I have two words for Paul Krugman, the stupidest person on the planet:  John Galt. 

Make no mistake, the effect is real, and is where our 10% unbudgeable unemployment rate is coming from.  Anybody who can hire, is sitting tight.   

I read something this morning that it's probably going to be at 15% by the fall.

[IassaFTots]

I don`t know how they can score this to be honest except by assuming that everything that "is" right bow will stay.

I have coverage through work..we have around 30 employees.
If I understand it correctly my employer would not be forced to provide insurance by employee numbers.
If I also understand it correctly it is likely most of us here would fall under the wage limit to qualify for the "subsidy".
Not saying that it will happen but what is the incentive at that point for an employer to keep providing coverage?

There could be a lot more suddenly pushed to the subsidized exchanges then they are ever calculating on.

Uh, there isn't one.  I happen to work in a Benefits Dept, and have worked in one for a good long time.  If everything works out the way we think it will, well, there will be a bunch of "us" that will be looking at job redesign/re-fit.  There isn't really any monetary incentive for the companies to continue to provide coverage, it is an unnecessary expense.  

It is going to get really really nasty.

[The Village Idiot]

I read something this morning that it's probably going to be at 15% by the fall.

The real unemployment rate is already higher than that. The official number doesn't take people into account who have stopped looking for work out of frustration or whose benefits have ended. It also doesn't do a good job of telling us how many people are working only part-time. I also think they count you as "employed" if you worked a day here and there, which is ridiculous. I read about a stimulus project in Oregon where they created "jobs" paying like $10 an hour (hundreds of thousands of dollars went where again?) that lasted 3 weeks, no doubt those people are considered "employed" for a month or two.

Government stats are not really all that reliable.

[Carl]

I read something this morning that it's probably going to be at 15% by the fall.

Picture a small business of 55 people.
Since 50 (I think) is the cut off for being mandated to provide coverage what do you suppose will likely happen?

[dandi]

Again, I would like to welcome you watching DUmbasses (aka the smartest people in the room) to where the rest of us were TWO ****ING YEARS AGO!

Brain dead, stupid, gullible, immature ****ing idiots!

[dandi]

Sooner or later I am going to get the chance to ask the guy who said "well unless I am going to suddenly make over $250,000.00/year Obama will be better for me" how`s that working for ya dumbass.

I already have had that moment.  It was a very savory exercise in reality. 

[AllosaursRus]

Raven  (1000+ posts)      Sat Jan-09-10 02:28 PM
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I don't get it. Why is the government going to tax me for HCR to correct
a problem that I didn't create and then take my money and pay the insurance companies, drug companies and hospitals who did create the problem? Something is really wrong with this picture. How does this make any sense at all and what happened to the party that I trusted to do the right thing? How do these people expect to be reelected? Where do they think people are going to find the money to pay this? What planet are they living on?

Raven, you ignorant slut! Your saviors, (ie, DC DimWits), and the lawyers, (ever hear of Tort reform), created the current health care so called crisis! I don't understand! Oh yeah, I forgot the idea of it it ain't broke don't **** with it, doesn't apply when it comes to you idiots. I have great Health Insurance because I am willing to, wait for it, wait for it, frikkin' PAY for it!

Just like if I want a new house or a new truck! I make a monthly payment to assure I don't get nailed with some outlandish bill I can't afford! I can't pay cash for a house any more than I could pay cash for the 6 screws they put in my back! It's called preventative maintenance of a personal kind! You idiots should try it! Works every time!

You maroons want something for nothing! When you find out you can't get it, you get outraged! Color me surprised! You voted for these Socialists. Grin and bear it! We'll try to fix it for you in 2010 and 2012. Until then, sit on it and twirl, DUmpass!

[AllosaursRus]

Again, I would like to welcome you watching DUmbasses (aka the smartest people in the room) to where the rest of us were TWO ****ING YEARS AGO!

Brain dead, stupid, gullible, immature ****ing idiots!

Heh, heh! That's gonna leave a mark! Heh, heh!

[Carl]

Uh, there isn't one.  I happen to work in a Benefits Dept, and have worked in one for a good long time.  If everything works out the way we think it will, well, there will be a bunch of "us" that will be looking at job redesign/re-fit.  There isn't really any monetary incentive for the companies to continue to provide coverage, it is an unnecessary expense.  

It is going to get really really nasty.

The law of unintended consequences never seems to work out to a positive.
Given the overall scope and size of this monstrosity I have a feeling by this time next year we will be in an economic tailspin none of us can imagine.

[AllosaursRus]

The law of unintended consequences never seems to work out to a positive.
Given the overall scope and size of this monstrosity I have a feeling by this time next year we will be in an economic tailspin none of us can imagine.

We will if the "Bummer" has anything to do with it! I'm with Rush on this one, it's intentional!

[BlueStateSaint]

The real unemployment rate is already higher than that. The official number doesn't take people into account who have stopped looking for work out of frustration or whose benefits have ended. It also doesn't do a good job of telling us how many people are working only part-time. I also think they count you as "employed" if you worked a day here and there, which is ridiculous. I read about a stimulus project in Oregon where they created "jobs" paying like $10 an hour (hundreds of thousands of dollars went where again?) that lasted 3 weeks, no doubt those people are considered "employed" for a month or two.

Government stats are not really all that reliable.

At the 15% rate I mentioned, the actual rate is going to be damn near 25%.  I know already that government stats aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

[NHSparky]

At the 15% rate I mentioned, the actual rate is going to be damn near 25%.  I know already that government stats aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

Of course not--any month where jobs are lost, yet the unemployment rate goes DOWN tells me that the BLS is basically full of shit.

[GOBUCKS]

The unemployment statistic includes everyone who has tried to find work in the last month. If benefits have run out, but they are still trying to find work, they are included. If they have not done that, they are retired, disabled, students, working at home, or deadbeats. So I don't see anything wrong with how the number is calculated. We have part-time workers even during boom times, probably even more than now.

[DumbAss Tanker]

The unemployment statistic includes everyone who has tried to find work in the last month. If benefits have run out, but they are still trying to find work, they are included. If they have not done that, they are retired, disabled, students, working at home, or deadbeats. So I don't see anything wrong with how the number is calculated. We have part-time workers even during boom times, probably even more than now.

If I understand you correctly, I'm not sure you're entirely correct there.  From what I've read of it, it is heavily based on a combination of payrolls, unemployment insurance claims/payments, other welfare rolls, and survey data (used in regression analysis with a statistical model), people whose benefits have totally expired do largely fall off the map and out of the calculation.

[AllosaursRus]

At the 15% rate I mentioned, the actual rate is going to be damn near 25%.  I know already that government stats aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

What is extremely troubling is 1 in 5 men are unemployed. That's 20%!!! This is not a good sign. If it were the 1930's, it would mean depression as back then women stayed at home and raised the kids! There's even talk of calling this a Manpression since we are the largest number unemployed. Thank goodness I no longer have to rely on construction to make a living. My Bro's are hurtin' for certain!

[AllosaursRus]

The unemployment statistic includes everyone who has tried to find work in the last month. If benefits have run out, but they are still trying to find work, they are included. If they have not done that, they are retired, disabled, students, working at home, or deadbeats. So I don't see anything wrong with how the number is calculated. We have part-time workers even during boom times, probably even more than now.

I'm with Tank. I don't think the Bummer is at all counting those whose unemployment has run out. They're doing their damnedest to try and keep the numbers as low as possible for the MSM. Propaganda is alive and well in the Socialist States of America!

[The Village Idiot]

I'm with Tank. I don't think the Bummer is at all counting those whose unemployment has run out. They're doing their damnedest to try and keep the numbers as low as possible for the MSM. Propaganda is alive and well in the Socialist States of America!

Just wait a few weeks when the numbers get revised upward or something.

[AllosaursRus]

Just wait a few weeks when the numbers get revised upward or something.

"Or something" is what we should be worried about!

[NHSparky]

You want a much better indication of unemployment?  Look at the BLS U-6 number.

Currently at 17.3 percent.  Merry Christmas.  Happy 2010.

[The Village Idiot]

You want a much better indication of unemployment?  Look at the BLS U-6 number.

Currently at 17.3 percent.  Merry Christmas.  Happy 2010.

Thats probably the best indicator we'll find.

[Ree]

What is extremely troubling is 1 in 5 men are unemployed. That's 20%!!! This is not a good sign. If it were the 1930's, it would mean depression as back then women stayed at home and raised the kids! There's even talk of calling this a Manpression since we are the largest number unemployed. Thank goodness I no longer have to rely on construction to make a living. My Bro's are hurtin' for certain!

Tell me about it...Just found out the job Cowboy was suppose to go to in ID has been pushed back...He hasn't been laid off yet, but workin at shop cuts his pay and per diem...