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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2010, 10:37:38 AM »
That would definitely be something I would love to see.

I share that sentiment as an emotion, but from a practical perspective, if that were to happen the only people running the ******* Congress would be the lobbyists and the current administration.

That isn't a good option.

No, instead of throwing all the asshats out, I think there ought to be some extremely rigid and publicly acknowledged requirements for serving in the Congress. These are a few of my thoughts:

  • Term limits of NMT 8 years for a House member and 12 years for a senator
  • No arrest record of any kind, for any reason
  • Once identified as the subject of an investigation, the congresscritter is not eligible to run for election until the inquiry clears his/her name
  • Congress may not investigate itself. That's like the fox watching the henhouse.
There's more but that'll do for now.
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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2010, 10:47:44 AM »
That would definitely be something I would love to see.

And that would accomplish what exactly?
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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2010, 11:23:02 AM »
Has anyone read the book "The 5000 Year Leap"?  Takes about 5 chapters to really get into the point of the book, but it was an eye-opener for me and I would suggest it as recommended reading for all high schoolers.

Our Founding Fathers thought of serving in a political position in our new country as a calling to be looked upon as a duty of sorts, not a position of gain or power....are those days gone forever?
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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2010, 11:41:59 AM »
No, instead of throwing all the asshats out, I think there ought to be some extremely rigid and publicly acknowledged requirements for serving in the Congress. These are a few of my thoughts:

  • Term limits of NMT 8 years for a House member and 12 years for a senator
  • No arrest record of any kind, for any reason
  • Once identified as the subject of an investigation, the congresscritter is not eligible to run for election until the inquiry clears his/her name
  • Congress may not investigate itself. That's like the fox watching the henhouse.
There's more but that'll do for now.

I like the way you think! :bow:
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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2010, 12:47:02 PM »
WATCH YOUR MOUTH!!! Shhhhhh the black helicopters might hear you... you know your on the list now.. you said the "G" word.

Once again, if you live inside of the delusion that if we were to act like the perfect child that they would not pass more gun control laws... your the friggin nutcase.  I am being honest here.

As to what I say, ever hear the phrase "Speak without fear"?  I am not threatening anyone nor anything.  I am stating my natural born right to defend myself, home, family and my rights just as every other human being on this planet has.  And FYI I have physically defended my and your rights when I served with the USMC, worked in military intelligence and served as a civilian contractor. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating the obvious facts and if you for one second believe they have not already calculated this very "American" mindset into their figures as if what we are discussing is something new, youve lost your mind.

You sound like some kind of scared hide under a rock individual that has no backbone.  Tell you what, those guns you have are not going to do you a bit of good.  Do yourself a favor and send them to me.

Sonny Boy, I was serving my country in the Army before you were born. I am not scared. Just concerned with punks like you running your mouth off. If you do not think that Janet N. is not making a list you are crazy. If you want to get on that list, be my guest.

As far as sending my guns to you. Come take them if you think you are man enough.

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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2010, 02:33:28 PM »
Sonny Boy, I was serving my country in the Army before you were born. I am not scared. Just concerned with punks like you running your mouth off. If you do not think that Janet N. is not making a list you are crazy. If you want to get on that list, be my guest.

As far as sending my guns to you. Come take them if you think you are man enough.


Now thats the spirit Im talking about  :cheersmate:

By the way, Im already on the list.  Due to the nature of my former job I would be crazy to assume I am not.  Most likely you already are as well.

There is a very real difference in being a Patriot and a terrorist.  I do not confuse the two, so do not confuse me with the other anarchist idiots in the world.

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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2010, 03:13:55 PM »
And that would accomplish what exactly?

Oh, I dunno, maybe getting a good majority of the leaches off the body politic? 

Yes, I know it won't happen and, yes, some incumbents are actually doing a good job.  But, dammit, if I can't have a pony, at least I can "hope" for something.
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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2010, 03:15:06 PM »
I share that sentiment as an emotion, but from a practical perspective, if that were to happen the only people running the ******* Congress would be the lobbyists and the current administration.

That isn't a good option.

No, instead of throwing all the asshats out, I think there ought to be some extremely rigid and publicly acknowledged requirements for serving in the Congress. These are a few of my thoughts:

  • Term limits of NMT 8 years for a House member and 12 years for a senator
  • No arrest record of any kind, for any reason
  • Once identified as the subject of an investigation, the congresscritter is not eligible to run for election until the inquiry clears his/her name
  • Congress may not investigate itself. That's like the fox watching the henhouse.
There's more but that'll do for now.

Yes, I am acquainted with reality.  I would love to see the bloodsuckers cut off from the host, though.   :-)
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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2010, 03:20:16 PM »
Yes, I am acquainted with reality.  I would love to see the bloodsuckers cut off from the host, though.   :-)

If I remember correctly, standard proceedure for removing leeches from a host is to burn them with a lit cigarette, repeating as necessary.

Hell, following that proceedure, I could spend 10 hours on SanFran Nancy alone.  Sounds like a hoot...  :naughty:
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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2010, 03:23:29 PM »
Oh, I dunno, maybe getting a good majority of the leaches off the body politic? 

Just seems to be throwing the baby out with the bath water is all.

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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2010, 03:46:26 PM »
Now thats the spirit Im talking about  :cheersmate:

By the way, Im already on the list.  Due to the nature of my former job I would be crazy to assume I am not.  Most likely you already are as well.

There is a very real difference in being a Patriot and a terrorist.  I do not confuse the two, so do not confuse me with the other anarchist idiots in the world.

Fair enough. I do think this country is going to hell in a hand basket. I am prepared for it, and have a plan so that an old fart like me can survive to a ripe old age. If the health care bill passes, I will implement it sooner rather than later. 

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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2010, 07:43:00 AM »
If I remember correctly, standard proceedure for removing leeches from a host is to burn them with a lit cigarette, repeating as necessary.

Hell, following that proceedure, I could spend 10 hours on SanFran Nancy alone.  Sounds like a hoot...  :naughty:

Considering where she's from, that may be something she would like.

Just sayin'.....   :evillaugh:
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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2010, 08:55:45 AM »
I share that sentiment as an emotion, but from a practical perspective, if that were to happen the only people running the ******* Congress would be the lobbyists and the current administration.

That isn't a good option.

No, instead of throwing all the asshats out, I think there ought to be some extremely rigid and publicly acknowledged requirements for serving in the Congress. These are a few of my thoughts:

  • Term limits of NMT 8 years for a House member and 12 years for a senator
  • No arrest record of any kind, for any reason
  • Once identified as the subject of an investigation, the congresscritter is not eligible to run for election until the inquiry clears his/her name
  • Congress may not investigate itself. That's like the fox watching the henhouse.
There's more but that'll do for now.

Respectfully, I disagree.

I am uncomfortable with point number two, because that should be up to the voters--an underage drinking arrest in college shouldn't disallow someone from getting elected. And the third one, that could be turned into political hay.

And who would investigate Congress?


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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2010, 09:21:44 AM »
•Once identified as the subject of an investigation, the congresscritter is not eligible to run for election until the inquiry clears his/her name

Eric Holder announced today that every Republican who votes against ObamaCare will be investigated.

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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #64 on: January 07, 2010, 10:34:33 AM »
Respectfully, I disagree.

I am uncomfortable with point number two, because that should be up to the voters--an underage drinking arrest in college shouldn't disallow someone from getting elected. And the third one, that could be turned into political hay.

And who would investigate Congress?


I understand your contention and I welcome this opportunity to respond to it. These are my expressed opinions, so you won't see any supporting links.

I firmly believe that anybody who calls himself a leader at the national level, indeed just about any level where you're involved with making decisions that affect people's lives, need to conform to a standard of behavior that is reflective and supportive of the laws on the books. This means that those who stray from the law and are caught, convicted, and punished have forfeited the responsibility of leading. We can quibble all day long about misdemeanor offenses, different classes of felonies, etc., but I think that a person who professes to want to aspire to one of the highest offices in the land -- as a US Congressman or Senator -- should be upholding those values and demonstrating them through their own behavior, past and present.

We see over and over and over again examples of congressional malfeasance and graft, greed and corruption that certainly isn't new, but has soured our collective opinions of our elected "leaders" to the point that cynicism is a polite word anymore.

Political hay, regarding your contention with Point #3, is what it's all about. If Congresscritter is under investigation, he's simply ineligible to run again until the issue is resolved one way or the other. This stops the foot-dragging and throwing up roadblocks such that these so-called "investigations" go on for months and years.

Any "committee" that calls itself any kind of "ethics committee" within Congress is a fundamental joke. They're an insult to our collective intelligence. I'm supposed to believe that congresscritter x is supposed to really dig into the allegations on congresscritter y when congresscritter x needs congresscritter's y support on a contentious bill? Ludicrous on its face.

As to who investigates Congress, that's a very good question.

1.  Every Congressman allocates 5% of his salary to a fund that is used to receive, review, investigate, and act on allegations of congress' illegal activities. This is done up front. If a Congressman goes through his career without being investigated, his salary is reimbursed, less interest earned. Again, we can get wrapped around the axle with definitions here, but for the sake of brevity, the rules that Congress makes for itself, along with the laws that we all live under, comprise the standard against which these people are judged.

2.  Who investigates Congress? Ordinary people do, much in the way that we serve on juries. These people come from the district or state that elected the alleged perp. Except that these ordinary people, when called to serve on such a committee, do so not at the risk of sustaining a financial or career-based penalty (because they'll be compensated for their service and because the law will protect and hold their jobs).

3.  Investigations should not take longer than 3 months to fully explore. If they take longer, the committee publishes a report that explains why it's taking longer. Far too many times, investigations drag on and on and on with no resolution for the simple reason there's no incentive to resolve the issue. Committees are not fully compensated until the investigation is complete and is reviewed.

4.  All kinds of problems will surface with this kind of proposal, of that I'm sure. Who is to say that committee member x has a clue about the complexities of ethical behavior and the law? I'm not sure how to respond to that except to say that in order for a committee member to serve, there would have to be a screening process again in the manner that a jury is selected.

My main point is, stuff doesn't get done unless there's an incentive for it to get done. Systems are designed with that in mind - that mandated completion is the expectation within the prescribed time window. Exceptions are allowed, with justification.

Congress investigating itself is a joke. Common sense in the hands of ordinary people will hold their elected officials accountable.

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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2010, 10:47:08 AM »
Great points.

I guess I am of the opinion that we get the government that we deserve. I know some great leaders who have made stupid mistakes in their youths. I know people who have never, ever round afoul of the law--not even a parking ticket--whom I wouldn't trust with a nickel.

I think the key to improving our leadership is not term limits or more stringent rules for Congress eligibility, but a more educated electorate. We wouln't need term limits, for example, if voters paid attention to their voting responsibilities.

Of course, I don't know which of our ideas is more "pie in the sky," because Congress will never enact your rules, and the average American voter is amazingly gullible.

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« Reply #66 on: January 07, 2010, 11:31:11 AM »
Great points.

I guess I am of the opinion that we get the government that we deserve. I know some great leaders who have made stupid mistakes in their youths. I know people who have never, ever round afoul of the law--not even a parking ticket--whom I wouldn't trust with a nickel.

I think the key to improving our leadership is not term limits or more stringent rules for Congress eligibility, but a more educated electorate. We wouln't need term limits, for example, if voters paid attention to their voting responsibilities.

Of course, I don't know which of our ideas is more "pie in the sky," because Congress will never enact your rules, and the average American voter is amazingly gullible.



And I completely agree with your point that an educated voter bloc would make all these "rules" essentially unncessary.

The average American voter is completely gullible, as you've pointed out, because he/she doesn't think to question the pablum that is spoon-fed to them by the MSM, which has, of course, a leftist agenda.

We're like horses with blinders on. We see our X-box, our VCR, our computer, our iphone, our ipod and that damned dog that shits on our lawn. We don't see the unscrupulous and evil congresscritter that is raping us left and right.
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« Reply #67 on: January 07, 2010, 12:15:00 PM »
Of course, I don't know which of our ideas is more "pie in the sky," because Congress will never enact your rules, and the average American voter is amazingly gullible.

Excellent point!
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« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2010, 12:31:14 PM »
We're like horses with blinders on. We see our X-box, our VCR, our computer, our iphone, our ipod and that damned dog that shits on our lawn. We don't see the unscrupulous and evil congresscritter that is raping us left and right.

I completely agree with you also.  I spend many, many hours researching who is (or will be) on the "ticket".  When I cast my vote, I do not do it blindly. 

An interesting poll question was posed on another forum (back some time ago): 
How old should one be, to be able to "vote"?
    or something to that nature...

A. 18  B. 21  C. 25  D. 30

My first instinct was to say 18.  However, after some thought, I did not choose 18; as I believe it is too young. 

Your example of X-box, ipods, etc. was exactly what I thought about when answering the poll question.  IMO, many of our youth displayed ignorance in this past Presidential election because they did not do the research necessary when casting such an important vote... 
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Re: Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'
« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2010, 02:58:23 PM »
I completely agree with you also.  I spend many, many hours researching who is (or will be) on the "ticket".  When I cast my vote, I do not do it blindly. 

An interesting poll question was posed on another forum (back some time ago): 
How old should one be, to be able to "vote"?
    or something to that nature...

A. 18  B. 21  C. 25  D. 30

My first instinct was to say 18.  However, after some thought, I did not choose 18; as I believe it is too young. 

Your example of X-box, ipods, etc. was exactly what I thought about when answering the poll question.  IMO, many of our youth displayed ignorance in this past Presidential election because they did not do the research necessary when casting such an important vote... 

I dont know about other people here, but if this were to ever be put into a real vote....

D. 30

Thats what I say anyway.