Senate Dem Asks South Carolina's Top Attorney to 'Call Off the Dogs'

[bkg]

Y'all expected any different?

I didn't.

[Lacarnut]

Around where I live we already had one guy kill two sheriffs deputies due to the State taking part of his land for road construction, no joke.  People take this stuff seriously here.

I hope you do not think that this was justified. The sheriff deputies were only following orders. This kind of crap does not end well for anyone.

[rich_t]

I hope you do not think that this was justified. The sheriff deputies were only following orders. This kind of crap does not end well for anyone.

I suspect we will be seeing more of such if things keep progressing as they have been for the past several decades.

People eventually reach a point where they say enough is enough and are willing to kill to stop what they see as wrong.

Two major points in US history show this.  The US Revolution and the Civil War.

Now we can debate the finer point of both occassions until the cows come home.  But the bottom line IMO is that folks had had enough and opted to fight back.

I suspect that we will see another such major turning point for the US Republic within another generation or so.

[Lord Undies]

I suspect we will be seeing more of such if things keep progressing as they have been for the past several decades.

People eventually reach a point where they say enough is enough and are willing to kill to stop what they see as wrong.

Two major points in US history show this.  The US Revolution and the Civil War.

Now we can debate the finer point of both occassions until the cows come home.  But the bottom line IMO is that folks had had enough and opted to fight back.

I suspect that we will see another such major turning point for the US Republic within another generation or so.

That's what I was thinking.  History teaches that it becomes justifiable at some point.  The relentless pushing around by government creates a breaking point in the most reasonable men. 

No, those particular deputies should not have been shot - that's beyond the point.  The point is those "deputies" types are becoming too commonplace.  When one is stealing liberty, "just following orders" is not an excuse.  Somebody has to be the first to say "NO!".  Maybe it should be the "deputies"?     

[Oceander]

I hope you do not think that this was justified. The sheriff deputies were only following orders. This kind of crap does not end well for anyone.

There are two sides to that coin (at least - sometimes the ridges on the edges are where all the action is ).  To preface, in this instance, based on the facts, I agree with you that such a killing was unjustified because the taking of private property (his land) for public purposes (building a road) is perfectly legitimate - certainly under the Constitution - provided that just compensation was awarded (which should not be confused with fair market value).

With that out of the way, "just following orders" is an extremely weak justification that will excuse ordinary pecadilloes, but not the really big stuff.  In particular, "just following orders" was not a justification for any of the Germans, or other nationalities, who were involved with the death camps, irrespective of the fact that simple insubordination (e.g., telling your superior officer that you refuse to obey his orders) would have garnered you prison time or, quite possibly, your own berth in one of the death camps.

[Lacarnut]

I suspect we will be seeing more of such if things keep progressing as they have been for the past several decades.

People eventually reach a point where they say enough is enough and are willing to kill to stop what they see as wrong.

Two major points in US history show this.  The US Revolution and the Civil War.

Now we can debate the finer point of both occassions until the cows come home.  But the bottom line IMO is that folks had had enough and opted to fight back.

I suspect that we will see another such major turning point for the US Republic within another generation or so.

I don't have a problem fighting back thru legal and peacfull means; however, in this case, the man that killed the two sheriff deputies is bat shit crazy. He should be executed for murder. What the hell do you think about that?

For many, many, many, many years the state has the right to confiscate and pay you for property if they are building a road. What part of that fact do you not understand. My parents owned a rent house in the 60's that the state took to build an interstate.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I think you are correct but I heard from one of the Repub Senators that some type of parliamentary procedure could force the final vote to have 60 votes.

As I understand it, the thing could be done either way, customarily it would be subject to another filibuster opportunity, but the current rules of the Senate (Which changed with the shift of majority party) could be applied in such a way as to frustrate that, and I wouldn't put it past Weasel-faced Harry to do that.  Still, the Senate procedural rules are full of arcane little subtleties, so I wouldn't bet the rent on either the 50 (Plus Biden for the tie-breaker) or 60 votes being an absolute lock.     

[The Village Idiot]

I can imagine how confused he is, he brought home bacon. Rotted bacon it was.

[Javelin]

I hope you do not think that this was justified. The sheriff deputies were only following orders. This kind of crap does not end well for anyone.

Ive been gone for a bit.. but when I come back I find this....

Now... Lacarnut... Where in my statement do I suggest that anything is justified on either side?  I would like for you to point out where I said I justify anything? 

What did I say... People take things seriously where I am from and apparently this guy did as well when his land was to be taken.

Now can you imagine some old grandma raiding the doctors office with an AK47 because she was put on a waiting list to see a doctor... if you want to see it move to where I am.  Coming to a theater near you.

[Lacarnut]

Ive been gone for a bit.. but when I come back I find this....

Now... Lacarnut... Where in my statement do I suggest that anything is justified on either side?  I would like for you to point out where I said I justify anything?  

What did I say... People take things seriously where I am from and apparently this guy did as well when his land was to be taken.

Now can you imagine some old grandma raiding the doctors office with an AK47 because she was put on a waiting list to see a doctor... if you want to see it move to where I am.  Coming to a theater near you.

I did not suggest anything. I asked you a question. Plus, I can not imagine a grandma shooting anyone with a AK47. Furthermore, I would not want to move to a place where a bunch of crazies live; that theater is not here.

[rich_t]

I don't have a problem fighting back thru legal and peacfull means; however, in this case, the man that killed the two sheriff deputies is bat shit crazy. He should be executed for murder. What the hell do you think about that?

For many, many, many, many years the state has the right to confiscate and pay you for property if they are building a road. What part of that fact do you not understand. My parents owned a rent house in the 60's that the state took to build an interstate.

I didn't say I approved of this guys actions.

I stated that I expect to see more of that type of thing if more folks feel that they have had enough from an abusive government.

[JohnnyReb]

SC AG McMaster was on local talk radio yesterday. He made a good case for the suit.

[ConservativeMobster]

http://www.thestate.com/politics/story/1096044.html

But U.S. House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, a Columbia Democrat who will be a party to the conference negotiations in Washington over the health care bills, said he would use the Nebraska provision as a chance to bring home a better deal for South Carolina.

Clyburn said earlier this month he will push for the federal government to cover as much as 95 percent of the cost for a Medicaid expansion in each state.

"I will work to have all states treated fairly," Clyburn said in a statement Monday. "If I were in Mr. McMaster's shoes, I would be very careful. Sometimes we are better off with equity than equality."

I am also in SC and I can say this much...we have our work cut out for us.  This is fast becoming a state of extremes and for good or no, this better end quickly.

[The Village Idiot]

Here in TX I am still awaiting word that the AG is investigating the so-called weatherization of 7 homes, costing $2 million in Stim-dollars.

Not that I am paying close attention, but I would love to know where the money really goes.

[Lacarnut]

I didn't say I approved of this guys actions.

I stated that I expect to see more of that type of thing if more folks feel that they have had enough from an abusive government.

I don't think taking your land because of a road crossing it qualifies as abusive. The government has been doing it for over 50 years that I know about.

Like I said, this guy is guilty of murder. There is no justification for what he did. 

[rich_t]

I don't think taking your land because of a road crossing it qualifies as abusive. The government has been doing it for over 50 years that I know about.

Like I said, this guy is guilty of murder. There is no justification for what he did. 

Just because the government declares something as legal doesn't mean that the people see such actions by the government as just, fair or non-abusive.


And I'll say this agian:  I never stated that I approve of this guys actions.

Nor have I tried to justify it.

[Lacarnut]

Just because the government declares something as legal doesn't mean that the people see such actions by the government as just, fair or non-abusive.

Life is not just, fair or nonabusive. I am a right winger from the word go. However, I do not see that hatred that everything the government stands for as helpfull to conservatives. It just gives screwballs in this  administration and Nappy ammunition.  

[rich_t]

Life is not just, fair or nonabusive. I am a right winger from the word go. However, I do not see that hatred that everything the government stands for as helpfull to conservatives. It just gives screwballs in this  administration and Nappy ammunition.  

Dude...

I ain't talking about conservatives.  I am talking about people in general.

Of course life isn't fair.  But I do expect our Republic form of government to act in a just and non-abusive manner. 

Otherwise it is merely tyranny under color of law.  Just like our Founders had under dear ole King George.

[Lacarnut]

Dude...

I ain't talking about conservatives.  I am talking about people in general.

Of course life isn't fair.  But I do expect our Republic form of government to act in a just and non-abusive manner. 

Otherwise it is merely tyranny under color of law.  Just like our Founders had under dear ole King George.

Well, Dude, I am talking about conservatives. This is a conservative site. However, let me make it plain and clear. Anarchy will result in disastrous results for all concerned. Plus, it does seem we have nuts that want to go that route. As a conservative, that is not my bag. 

[rich_t]

Well, Dude, I am talking about conservatives. This is a conservative site. However, let me make it plain and clear. Anarchy will result in disastrous results for all concerned. Plus, it does seem we have nuts that want to go that route. As a conservative, that is not my bag. 

I'll grant you that this site membership is more conservative than not.

Who besides you, mentioned anything about anarchy?

It looks to me like you are reading into things not posted.

I expressed an opinion that "I" expect to see more of such actions in the future.

No more, no less.

[Lacarnut]

I'll grant you that this site membership is more conservative than not.

Who besides you, mentioned anything about anarchy?

It looks to me like you are reading into things not posted.

I expressed an opinion that "I" expect to see more of such actions in the future.

No more, no less.

See Javelin posts above. Grandma's with AK47's shooting up a doctors office and that just the way it is here. This is coming to where you live. I do not know what that sounds like to you but it sounds like anarchy (lawlessness) to me. Like I said, this type of talk just gives ammo to O and his administration. If you want them to pass more gun laws, keep this kind of stupid talk up. BTW, this is directed at everyone. So don't get your diapers in a wad.   

[Javelin]

See Javelin posts above. Grandma's with AK47's shooting up a doctors office and that just the way it is here. This is coming to where you live. I do not know what that sounds like to you but it sounds like anarchy (lawlessness) to me. Like I said, this type of talk just gives ammo to O and his administration. If you want them to pass more gun laws, keep this kind of stupid talk up. BTW, this is directed at everyone. So don't get your diapers in a wad.  

There is a bit of satire in my post, just in case your actually so ignorant that you cannot see that Lacar.... come on man.

In all seriousness though, I dont know where your from, but there are some people that are more than willing to uphold the oath that we took.  You know, to defend our nation from all enemies forign and domestic.  Within civilizations there are periods when the rubber just meets the road and all the talk is over.  For our founding fathers it was a letter sent to the Congress by King George informing them that no matter the peaceful measures they were seeking, they would all be branded as traitors and killed.  I do see the potential for this kind of extreme in our time.  If one cannot, then they better take another close hard look at Washington today.

I for one will defend my family, home and rights.  First I will exhaust every peaceful means available, but when they are done talking and we are informed that its put up or shut up... well... I simply cannot shut up.

I do not expect everyone to be in the same mindset that I am on this by any means.  A three percenter is not called a three percenter for nothing.

Oh and by the way, they will pass whatever gun laws they wish despite whatever is said.  I surely hope you do not live inside of that kind of delusion... or if you do, perhaps you could be more politically correct to please them or better yet, join their side.

[Lacarnut]

There is a bit of satire in my post, just in case your actually so ignorant that you cannot see that Lacar.... come on man.

In all seriousness though, I dont know where your from, but there are some people that are more than willing to uphold the oath that we took.  You know, to defend our nation from all enemies forign and domestic.  Within civilizations there are periods when the rubber just meets the road and all the talk is over.  For our founding fathers it was a letter sent to the Congress by King George informing them that no matter the peaceful measures they were seeking, they would all be branded as traitors and killed.  I do see the potential for this kind of extreme in our time.  If one cannot, then they better take another close hard look at Washington today.

I for one will defend my family, home and rights.  First I will exhaust every peaceful means available, but when they are done talking and we are informed that its put up or shut up... well... I simply cannot shut up.

I do not expect everyone to be in the same mindset that I am on this by any means.  A three percenter is not called a three percenter for nothing.

Oh and by the way, they will pass whatever gun laws they wish despite whatever is said.  I surely hope you do not live inside of that kind of delusion... or if you do, perhaps you could be more politically correct to please them or better yet, join their side.

I am from south Louisiana. Your satire is who the nuts at H.S. are referring to as home grown terrorists. Your big mouth can get you in a lot trouble. That's what I call ignorant.

You think you are some kinda of bad ass. Got news for you; there are just as many people that will defend their their family here as where you live. You might think you have a patent on that but you don't.

Oh, and by the way, you give the government ammunition and they will pass more gun laws. So keep running your mouth off. You are doing a lot of good. Not. Big brother might show up on your doorsteps with all your yakking. FYI, I am a right winger with a few guns and plenty of ammo. 

[Javelin]

I am from south Louisiana. Your satire is who the nuts at H.S. are referring to as home grown terrorists. Your big mouth can get you in a lot trouble. That's what I call ignorant.

You think you are some kinda of bad ass. Got news for you; there are just as many people that will defend their their family here as where you live. You might think you have a patent on that but you don't.

Oh, and by the way, you give the government ammunition and they will pass more gun laws. So keep running your mouth off. You are doing a lot of good. Not. Big brother might show up on your doorsteps with all your yakking. FYI, I am a right winger with a few guns and plenty of ammo. 

WATCH YOUR MOUTH!!! Shhhhhh the black helicopters might hear you... you know your on the list now.. you said the "G" word.

Once again, if you live inside of the delusion that if we were to act like the perfect child that they would not pass more gun control laws... your the friggin nutcase.  I am being honest here.

As to what I say, ever hear the phrase "Speak without fear"?  I am not threatening anyone nor anything.  I am stating my natural born right to defend myself, home, family and my rights just as every other human being on this planet has.  And FYI I have physically defended my and your rights when I served with the USMC, worked in military intelligence and served as a civilian contractor. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating the obvious facts and if you for one second believe they have not already calculated this very "American" mindset into their figures as if what we are discussing is something new, youve lost your mind.

You sound like some kind of scared hide under a rock individual that has no backbone.  Tell you what, those guns you have are not going to do you a bit of good.  Do yourself a favor and send them to me.

[dandi]

I'd like to see every single incumbant replaced this November.  From both parties.

That would definitely be something I would love to see.