primitives going to say "goodbye" to D.C. killer

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6979350

This bonfire just got lit, by the operating one.

I'll post primitive comments as they occur.

One can predict the primitives are deeply saddened.

OPERATIONMINDCRIME  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 09:53 AM
Original message
 
Good. ****ing. Riddance...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/10/virginia.sniper.exe...

snip

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- John Allen Muhammad, the mastermind of the 2002 sniper attacks that terrorized the suburbs of the nation's capital, is scheduled to die by lethal injection Tuesday evening at a state prison near Jarratt, Virginia.

[franksolich]

Oh my. 

It's not quite starting as I thought it would.

But give it time.

SIMPLYB1980  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 09:54 AM
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1. I agree.

Some people deserve to die, and he was one of them.

JonQ (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 09:55 AM
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2. At least he'll know it's coming unlike his victims.

Time to pay the piper you sick SOB.

[franksolich]

The bitter old Vermontese cali primitive:

cali  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 09:55 AM
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3. Your post makes me queasy. And I'm still anti-death penalty

maryellen99 (62 posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 09:56 AM
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4. Why aren't they executing Malvo?

Oh hell, I just looked at the clock.

It's too early for Doug's stupid ex-wife to show up.

[franksolich]

The primitive once known as the "MookieWilson" primitive, who might, or might not, be a dyke:

Captain Hilts  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 09:57 AM
Original message
 
His age, I believe.

ecstatic  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #4
 
8. He was a teen at the time

Greybnk48  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 09:57 AM
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5. I think of that poor woman standing next to her husband at Home Depot loading the car. For what?

bdamomma  (1000+ posts)     Tue Nov-10-09 09:57 AM
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6. right.

and he is another Gulf War veteran like Timothy McVeigh who had a "grudge" how many will come back from Iraq and Afghanistan with the same symptoms???

hlthe2b  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 09:57 AM
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7. A lot of people "deserve" to die and he is one of them most would agree... I still oppose the death penalty for a multitude of reasons and have to be consistent here as well. His death will bring no answers, nor closure to the victims families I fear...

tekisui  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 09:58 AM
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9. Nothing is accomplished by putting him to death that isn't accomplished by keeping him on death row, other than make the blood-thirsty salivate.

[USA4ME]

So far the positive responses are all from the Obama cheerleading crowd.  Were Bush still in office, most of them would be against it.

.

[franksolich]

SIMPLYB1980  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #5
 
11. Or the pizza shop owner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

On September 5, 2002, at 10:30 pm, Paul LaRuffa, a 55-year-old pizzeria owner, was shot six times at close range while locking up his Italian restaurant in Clinton, Maryland. LaRuffa survived the shooting and his laptop computer was found in John Muhammad's car when he and Malvo were arrested.<2>

On September 21, 2002, an unidentified liquor store clerk in Montgomery, Alabama, was shot and killed during a robbery. Her co-worker, Kellie Adams, was injured, but survived. Evidence found at the crime scene eventually tied this killing to the Beltway attacks and allowed authorities to identify Muhammad and Malvo as suspects,<3> although this connection was not made until October 17.

ecstatic  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 09:59 AM
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10. I reserve that attitude for pedophiles, child rapists and child murderers but I won't shed a tear for him.

Zywiec (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #10
 
12. So you don't care as much for the 18 year olds that get molested, raped, or killed?

I don't limit my outrage by the age of the victim.

[franksolich]

jpljr77 (344 posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:04 AM
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13. I worked in and commuted daily to the Maryland suburbs he terrorized in 2002.

And I was genuinely afraid some days. I am a very rational person and knew that the chances of me or my wife (girlfriend at the time) getting hit were slim, but the shear randomness of the attacks and the audacity of them made filling up the gas tank a particularly scary task. And then they shot that 13 year-old kid, who thankfully survived.

With all that said, I do not support his government-administered death. ******* Virginia.

God bless Virginia.

[franksolich]

hlthe2b  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #9
 
14. My late Mom always maintained we lose big time...

if we fail to keep mass murderers incarcerated for life, while also seizing the opportunity to study these serial killers in a way to better understand how to prevent their creation...

While his guilt is not at question, thereby preempting my major argument against the death penalty, I think my Mom's argument has merit... McVeigh's death certainly didn't prevent others from plotting similar violence, yet left many unanswered questions for victims and the general public as well.

Xenotime (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #9
 
16. Exactly. State sponsored murder is wrong.

But state-paid abortions are fine.

Captain Hilts  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #13
 
15. I live not that far from there.

[franksolich]

Burma Jones  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:07 AM
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17. A Death Penalty Poster Child......

I'd be in favor of euthanizing this guy if only for what he did to Lee Malvo......

Burma Jones  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:09 AM
Original message

He certainly abused Lee Malvo........

and now Malvo's in jail for life with blood on his hands and his conscience.....

peacetalksforall  (1000+ posts)       Tue Nov-10-09 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #13
 
19. Good for you. We talk about abortionists imposing God in our legislation.

The people of the States with c.p. play GOD in real inhuman time.

Ilsa  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:09 AM
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20. He isn't worth my time or energy feeling sorry for, not after what he did.

Tommy_Carcetti  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:10 AM
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21. Yes, because state-sponsored executions are the solution to all our problems.

And Muhammad was such a current threat to the public safety locked behind bars.

[Odin's Hand]

peacetalksforall  (1000+ posts)       Tue Nov-10-09 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #13
 
19. Good for you. We talk about abortionists imposing God in our legislation.

The people of the States with c.p. play GOD in real inhuman time.

So, you don't have a problem with him "playing God" on the streets of D.C., though?

[franksolich]

Mad_Dem_X  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:12 AM
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22. Yup. Buh-bye, Scumbag.

LynnTheDem  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #21
 
23. Sad, isn't it.

And it even costs we the taxpayers more money.

"Thou shalt not kill."

Period.

Deep13  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:16 AM
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24. FYI, "state-sponsored murder" is technically an oxymoron.

I understand that opponents of the DP are drawing a moral equivalency and not a legal one. Still the traditional, common law definition of murder is, "The UNLAWFUL killing of a human being with malice aforethought."

OPERATIONMINDCRIME  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:16 AM
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25. Yup.

That's the one that stuck with me most too, though every individual story I read about got to me.

tekisui  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #24
 
26. I see malice in the death penalty.  

Just because the entity doing the killing says it is legal, does not make it so, IMO.

[USA4ME]

LynnTheDem

Sad, isn't it.

And it even costs we the taxpayers more money.

"Thou shalt not kill."

Period.

Says the defender of abortion.

Hypocrite.

.

[Ralph Wiggum]

hlthe2b  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #9
 
14. My late Mom always maintained we lose big time...

if we fail to keep mass murderers incarcerated for life, while also seizing the opportunity to study these serial killers in a way to better understand how to prevent their creation...

We already do study them, moron.  If there were a way to figure out how to "prevent their creation", it would have been done by now.  It's not from a lack of trying.

[franksolich]

Orwellian_Ghost  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:18 AM
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27. Pretty creepy  

How can someone have such glee at such a tragic and cruel event? It's all pretty gruesome and to be celebrating, even if you support the death penalty, seems to be downright macabre.

Jokerman  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:18 AM
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28. +1 franksolich: the joke primitive's agreeing that it doesn't solve anything

jpljr77 (345 posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #26
 
29. I agree 100%. It's the response of a mind too small to think of anything else.

Pure vengeance, pure malice.

JNelson6563  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #2
 
30. Maybe they should surprise him.

Tell him they changed their minds, no death penalty. Then, when he least expects it, have a sniper pick him off.

tekisui  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #27

31. Take a look, it is the largely the same folks who defend the wars.

ecstatic  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #12
 
32. Of course I do, but I'm anti-DP.

I find all violent crimes outrageous. My point was that I'm more likely to have BLOODLUST when it comes to pedophiles/child murderers.

[franksolich]

Sal316  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:21 AM
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33. The US shouldn't belong to this club.

In 2008 China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United States of America were the five states with the highest rate of executions. Together they carried out (93%) of all executions worldwide.

Of course, we must also be proud of "bringing democracy" to Iraq:

The use of the death penalty has increased rapidly in Iraq since it was reinstated in mid-2004. Since then more than 270 people have been sentenced to death and at least 100 people have reportedly been executed. There were no executions reported in 2004 and at least three men were executed in 2005, but since then there has been a rapid rise in executions with at least 65 people, including at least two women, reportedly executed by hanging in 2006.(1) Iraq now figures among the countries with the highest numbers of executions reported in 2006. Higher totals were recorded only in China, Iran and Pakistan.(2) Amnesty International

But we keep on chugging, being the world's "moral leader":

International Abolition: in 1977, just 16 countries had abolished the death penalty for all crimes. By 1988, 35 countries had done so and another 18 had abolished the death penalty for all but exceptional crimes like treason, and 27 more were considered abolitionist in practice because they had not carried out an execution in over 10 years. As of June 2009, 139 countries were abolitionist in law or practice. Amnesty

Even the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia stated that the death penalty is not an option, even for the most heinous crimes known to civilization, including genocide.

Time for us to step up and quit pretending that killing people to show that killing people is wrong is even remotely humane or justifiable.

The Straight Story  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:22 AM
Response to Original message

34. Aw damn, though maybe this was a goodbye DU thread

OPERATIONMINDCRIME  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #27
 
35. Really... The OP Seemed Celebratory? No. It Didn't. You Just Wanted To See It That Way.

I'm not bouncing, laughing, cheering, or otherwise. In fact, the tone of the OP is pure contempt.

Your perceptual comprehension is of your own creation, rather than a product of the context that is actually there.

OPERATIONMINDCRIME  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #34
 
37. What's Up SS!

[franksolich]

UncleTomsEvilBrother (138 posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #28
 
36. I bet the anti-abortionists

....are swarming around his holding facility right now. Ya' know, since they are all pro-life and shit.

Deep13  (1000+ posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #26
 
38. "Malice" here is a term of art.

Intent to kill, intent to cause serious bodily injury, wanton recklessness, fatality during another felony. Obviously, there is intent to kill in an execution. Nevertheless, one needs all of the elements for it to be murder.

Not sure I know what you mean by "legal." If a state writes the DP into its homicide statute and the execution complies with that, how is it not legal?

The Straight Story  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #37
 
39. Not much, just surving day to day on good old air, food, beer, and smokes

SIMPLYB1980  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #31
 
40. Oh Noes!!!

Jokerman  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #36
 
41. No doubt.

I've never been able to wrap my mind around the contradictions involved in being pro war and pro death penalty but somehow describing themselves as "pro-life".

tekisui  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #38
 
42. To me, it is akin to Yoo legalizing torture. 

It may be 'legal', but it is bad law. And, I think it will be overturned one day.

Blue_Tires  (1000+ posts)        Tue Nov-10-09 10:32 AM
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43. man...right around the time this story was going on i first found DU...i'm beginning to think i've been here a little too long...

[Duchess]

What's there to study? He is evil. It must be tough to be a libtard and have to tapdance all over the floor in order to avoid the plain truth right there in the open, big as life--that evil exists, and some people are evil. It must be difficult to be a moral relatavist and never be able to apply the simple truth.

[NHSparky]

bdamomma  (1000+ posts)     Tue Nov-10-09 09:57 AM
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6. right.

and he is another Gulf War veteran like Timothy McVeigh who had a "grudge" how many will come back from Iraq and Afghanistan with the same symptoms???

Uh, no, dipshit, try again.  Malvo converted to ISLAM (and why does that little fact keep popping up time and time and time again when it comes to murderous rampages, pray tell?) and joined the Nation of Islam back in the 1980's.  While he may have been in the Army and even in DS, it doesn't say WHAT he did there.  Was he infantry, or a rear-eschelon pogue?

Further, as IBD reported back in 2007, CNN even look at this and determined that his intent was to wage JIHAD (CNN's words, not mine).

So, WTF are you talking about, DUmmie?

[Lord Undies]

These Little Goons and their ilk live and die by symbolism.  They are always in favor a "sending a message".  That's how they view the death penalty.  But for some reason, they don't want that "message" to be sent.

As usual, out of pure stupidity or willful dishonesty, the Little Goons get it all wrong.  The death penalty is about ending the life of someone who no longer deserves life.  Nothing more and nothing less.  

My only objection to the death penalty is that it is not applied equally.

[thundley4]

UncleTomsEvilBrother (138 posts)      Tue Nov-10-09 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #28
 
36. I bet the anti-abortionists

....are swarming around his holding facility right now. Ya' know, since they are all pro-life and shit.

There is a huge difference in supporting the death of murderous scum, and believing that the innocent unborn child has a right to live. Now, can you DUmmies explain how you can sanction the murder of an innocent unborn child for the convenience of it's mother, but have a problem with putting to death someone like Malvo?

[Ptarmigan]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. 

Hear, hear!

 

[Karin]

Thundley, I've never heard a coherent answer to your question.  If it comes up on a talk show or something, it devolves into screeching.  It is the age-old question, though, isn't it?

Good riddance to the POS tonight.  I'll drink a toast to it. 

[jtyangel]

There is a huge difference in supporting the death of murderous scum, and believing that the innocent unborn child has a right to live. Now, can you DUmmies explain how you can sanction the murder of an innocent unborn child for the convenience of it's mother, but have a problem with putting to death someone like Malvo?

Actually, they are quite consistent. In both instances, they protect and support the lives of murderers. 


For some reason, they can not relate to the actual victims of these heinous crimes. Interesting, considering they like to make themselves out to be a victim if someone just flips them off in a car that has Bush/Cheney stickers. 
Seriously, though, I actually think in some ways they are jealous of REAL victims. Their concerns are so petty that they see murder victims as upstaging them. Sick, but I have a feeling that's probably the reality for a number of them on that forum.

[thundley4]

Just on Fox News, Governor Tim Kaine denied clemency to Malvo.  I guess that only leaves one option.  Come on Lord Zero, spare your murderous Muslim brother.