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Guns are bad.
« on: November 06, 2009, 03:04:54 PM »
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newtothegame  (1000+ posts)      Fri Nov-06-09 03:38 PM
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Guns are bad.
 Guns are bad. Guns should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on guns, this kind of thing wouldn’t happen because no one would have guns at all. No one should have guns because if you do you’re only part of the problem. Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if someone besides the shooter had a gun. So much worse.
 

Pretty hard to argue with such a well thought out articulate statement like that.

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Motown_Johnny  (1000+ posts)        Fri Nov-06-09 03:41 PM
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7. The argument is that if the victims had guns on them they could have defended themselves
 so that we don't need fewer guns... we need more.


Yes, it is bull shit but there it is. Your sensible argument won't work.

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winyanstaz  (1000+ posts)      Fri Nov-06-09 03:54 PM
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20. I predict many more shootings and mass murders as more people...
 reach the breaking point.
We live in a very stressful time and it is about to get worse as this mess continues.
The sooner we set up organizations to help each other through this mess, the sooner we will get out the other side.
People need hope.

I thought O was going to bring that..what happened?


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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 03:09:35 PM »
Yep, there was never a murder, ever, until guns were invented.  Good thinking, DUmmie!   :mental:
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Re: Guns are bad.
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2009, 03:11:09 PM »
Quote from: Chump on November 06, 2009, 03:09:35 PM
Yep, there was never a murder, ever, until guns were invented.  Good thinking, DUmmie!   :mental:

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Re: Guns are bad.
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 03:12:09 PM »
it's worked so well in england...
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 03:14:21 PM »
newtothegame  (1000+ posts)      Fri Nov-06-09 03:38 PM
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Guns are bad.
 Guns are bad. Guns should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on guns, this kind of thing wouldn’t happen because no one would have guns at all. [/quote]

Ask D.C. how well that worked out.  Most restrictive gun laws in the country until recently...highest violent crime rate in the nation.



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No one should have guns because if you do you’re only part of the problem.


People inclined to kill will always find a weapon.  Outlaw guns...they'll switch to knives...outlaw knives...and on and on and on until you've had to outlaw grannie's knitting needles.


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Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if someone besides the shooter had a gun. So much worse.

More like...imagine how quickly this would have ended yesterday had one person with a concealed carry permit been packing inside that building yesterday.
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Re: Guns are bad.
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 03:14:51 PM »
Quote from: bkg on November 06, 2009, 03:12:09 PM
it's worked so well in england...

England's problem is that they didn't think to ban pointy knives at the same time.  The astronomic increase in violent crime committed with pointy knives showed them the error of their ways.  We'll learn from their mistakes and just ban all nasty mean things at once.  Come to think of it, we might as well ban killing while we're at it.   ::)
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 03:20:09 PM »
The rookie primitive hasn't (maybe deliberately--stay with me here) considered the possibility that those inclined to start violence with guns may not obey the law in other areas.

'Course, if the rookie primitive is a mole, it would deliberately leave that part out.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 03:42:19 PM »
Nope.  Guns are good.  Real good. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 04:06:04 PM »
This guy did not reach a breaking point, that is BS.

He wasn't in combat. He was practicing for months, this was well planned.

His postings online and elsewhere show where his thoughts and beliefs lay,

he was a Muslim terrorist period.

and those idiots saying it was second hand PTSD or "compassion fatigue" are fooling themselves. The man had no compassion at all.
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Re: Guns are bad.
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 04:16:20 PM »
Quote from: FGL on November 06, 2009, 04:06:04 PM
This guy did not reach a breaking point, that is BS.

He wasn't in combat. He was practicing for months, this was well planned.

His postings online and elsewhere show where his thoughts and beliefs lay,

he was a Muslim terrorist period.

and those idiots saying it was second hand PTSD or "compassion fatigue" are fooling themselves. The man had no compassion at all.

I have witnessed first hand PTSD in a few soldiers. It is very unpleasant.   To say that man had it "second hand" is an insult to those that truly suffer. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 04:18:24 PM »
Let's see, if no one has guns at all, we can go back to fighting wars with lined formations of troops carrying pikes and shields. Much more civilized.  :thatsright:
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2009, 04:19:32 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on November 06, 2009, 04:16:20 PM
I have witnessed first hand PTSD in a few soldiers. It is very unpleasant.   To say that man had it "second hand" is an insult to those that truly suffer. 

"compassion fatigue" pinned to a guy who murdered 13 or 14 (unborn baby) and wounded 30 should leave people speechless, its DU level stupidity and even Fox News speculates on it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2009, 04:23:54 PM »
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guardian (370 posts)      Fri Nov-06-09 05:07 PM
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38. idiots are bad
 Idiots are bad. Idiots should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on idiots, this kind of thing wouldn’t be posted in forums because there would be no idiots. No idiot should have post opinions in forums because if you do you’re only part of the problem. Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if idiots had posted more comments. So much worse.

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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2009, 04:26:27 PM »
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guardian (370 posts)      Fri Nov-06-09 05:07 PM
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38. idiots are bad
 Idiots are bad. Idiots should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on idiots, this kind of thing wouldn’t be posted in forums because there would be no idiots. No idiot should have post opinions in forums because if you do you’re only part of the problem. Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if idiots had posted more comments. So much worse.

Oh dear lord.  That is fabulous.  I needed a laugh today.   :rotf:
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2009, 04:50:21 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on November 06, 2009, 04:26:27 PM
Oh dear lord.  That is fabulous.  I needed a laugh today.   :rotf:

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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2009, 04:51:07 PM »
 :cheersmate: R.I.P guardian.
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2009, 04:54:03 PM »
Guns are bad, cornbread are square and pie are round.
....newtothegame will have a PhD in Applied Psychology, Philosophy have a job in the Obama administration in no time.
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2009, 04:58:20 PM »
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Guns are bad.
 Guns are bad. Guns should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on guns, this kind of thing wouldn’t happen because no one would have guns at all. No one should have guns because if you do you’re only part of the problem. Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if someone besides the shooter had a gun. So much worse

  Personally, I think newtothegame is being sarcastic here.  I think he/she/it believes less people would've been killed if someone was carrying. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2009, 05:05:41 PM »
Quote from: crockspot on November 06, 2009, 04:18:24 PM
Let's see, if no one has guns at all, we can go back to fighting wars with lined formations of troops carrying pikes and shields. Much more civilized.  :thatsright:

Right up until some smartass brings a crossbow and track shoes...

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2009, 05:49:28 PM »
I imagine the illicit drugs the primitives like, have killed more people than guns.
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2009, 05:58:04 PM »
Quote from: Karin on November 06, 2009, 03:42:19 PM
Nope.  Guns are good.  Real good. 

Exactly!

Guns GOOD!
People BAD!

Bumper sticker material:  "Guns Don't Kill People.  I DO!"
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2009, 06:34:39 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on November 06, 2009, 04:54:03 PM
Guns are bad, cornbread are square and pie are round.
....newtothegame will have a PhD in Applied Psychology, Philosophy have a job in the Obama administration in no time.

And the rookie primitive will have a Ph. D in underwater basketweaving.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2009, 08:21:27 PM »
Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if someone besides the shooter had a gun. So much worse.

Yep, just imagine how much worse it got since the shooter got shot himself. If only the person who shot the maniac hadn't had a gun, it would have turned out so much better. Wait...

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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2009, 09:11:20 AM »
The problem is the Major is one of them. He has pretty much the exact same political views as they do. Because he shares their views they have to somehow absolve him of responsibility and pin it on Bush. So they created this second hand PTSD. Bush stressed him so bad that he snapped and killed his fellow soldiers so he is just as much a victim as they are.  :mental:

Now if he been a "Christian" and had been handing out Bibles not the Koran to his neighbors that morning he would be demonized by both sides. Only the left would be focusing on his claims of being a Christian we would be demonizing the individual actions. Because conservatives tend to think of people as individuals and not part of some group. Except for DUmmies of course because they are pretty much in lockstep.  :-)



And in every shooting the anti gun crowd tries to use that as ammo (Ironic choice of words  :-)) to kill the second amendment.
The fact of the matter is since the gun has been invented and mass produced the cat is long out of the bag. No legislation will prevent those who don't follow laws any way from getting a gun. Even if we somehow could get every gun in existence and melt them down criminals will still have guns one way or another.

There are two amendments to the constitution that are very dangerous to the left. The first and the second. The first allows us not to have to sit down and shut up even if Lord O tells us too. The second allows us to own and maintain firearms in order to protect ourselves. Of these 2 rights protected (not granted) by our constitution the first is a million times more dangerous than the second. We will use our power of free speech long before a weapon is picked up. The founders in their wisdom granted us that right of speech, assembly, and expression so we can change things peacefully and if that fails they left us the right to protect ourselves with weapons. The intent was for the govt people to fear us, not us fearing them. That is why for so long they have chipped away at these rights. If they take our free speech and our weapons away we will be powerless.

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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2009, 09:36:15 AM »
Very well said Freep...very well said. :bow:
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