Author Topic: In Venezuela, Land Redistribution Program Backfires (Read 3018 times)

miskie · « **on:** July 16, 2009, 06:02:46 PM »

cali rattles the Chavez worshippers here.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-16-09 06:25 PM

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In Venezuela, Land Redistribution Program Backfires

In Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez's government has made the expropriation of farmland â€” taking land from big landholders and giving it to the poor â€” central to his so-called revolution. The idea is to spur production and end dependence on food imports.

But the results have fallen short, making the country more dependent on foreign food than ever before.

Consider farmer Ramon Barrera, who spends his days feeding a handful of scrawny pigs.

He thought he also would be raising crops after arriving a few months ago in Las Vegas, a town in a sun-baked corner of northwestern Venezuela.

The land had been a vast cattle ranch before the government seized it to redistribute to poor farmers like Barrera.

But Barrera says there is no irrigation, no technical help from the government and no credit.

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106620230
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Waiting for Dougs Ex-Wife to clear this all up for us - but in the meantime there is this..

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-16-09 06:32 PM

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4. I almost think we should almost always identify original sources when talking Venezuela or Chavez

There are some serious Anti-Chavez disinformation machines out there

There are some serious Pro-Chavez disinformation machines out there

Chavez started out right, but lately has done some very anti-democratic things - which call into question any of its organs.

Then again, the US has done some very anti-democratic things - and IT'S organs need to be called into question.

Heart ? Kidneys ? Liver ? Wurlitzer ?

franksolich · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:04:49 PM »

Wow.

I'm surprised Doug's ex-wife didn't jump right into that bonfire.

Maybe she's still mourning some roses, or trying to defraud her mother's bank.

Doug's ex-wife multi-tasks, and probably misses things here and there.

jtyangel · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:06:01 PM »

Stealing from the rightful owners of something is not 'democratic' either so Chavez was WRONG and an enemy of freedom from the get go. These really are not hard connections for people to make. They really aren't.

miskie · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:18:18 PM »

Quote from: franksolich on July 16, 2009, 06:04:49 PM

Wow.

I'm surprised Doug's ex-wife didn't jump right into that bonfire.

Maybe she's still mourning some roses, or trying to defraud her mother's bank.

Doug's ex-wife multi-tasks, and probably misses things here and there.

She found it now -- She is busy refuting the report that the OP linked to as debunked.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-16-09 06:50 PM

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6. Yep, we already did this, complete with links to new contracts

for tech development and provision that this individual say isn't available. I'll pass this time.

and later on cali gets bashed,,

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-16-09 06:59 PM

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8. Here's one of the threads from last time.

Guess what? It's talking about the same poor guy.

Guess what again, cali? You were in that thread, too.

Didn't these look a little similar to you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x16422#16444

Looks like the Pro-Chavez team have mobilized and are in attack mode.

thundley4 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:23:33 PM »

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USA4ME · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:24:53 PM »

The pro-dictator forces OM is to claim any negative reports about Chavez to be lies and positive reports to be from independent sources and to be indisputibly true. Goebbels and Li Changchun have nothing on Beth.

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RightCoast · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:26:48 PM »

Chavez: "Ah...Let me be perfectly clear. I...ummmm...we were, not, given. All the information. That we...ahh...needed by. The white farmers, before we, ahh, redistributed, their...um I mean the people's. Um, property. And that is why, ahhh this plan is not. Working, as we had, ahh, hoped."

Why not it works for barack?

The Village Idiot · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:28:20 PM »

What did they think was going to happen?

Why would they think there was any other outcome rather than failure?

Taking a vast efficient ranch and turning it into tiny subsistance farms is not going to help the economy, is not going to help tax revenue, is not going to be efficient at all. There was no other possible outcome.

GOBUCKS · « **Reply #8 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:29:55 PM »

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In Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez's government has made the expropriation of farmland â€” taking land from big landholders and giving it to the poor â€” central to his so-called revolution. The idea is to spur production and end dependence on food imports.

It's a great idea that Yugo borrowed from Josef Stalin, who did exactly, precisely, the same thing. It caused a famine in the Ukraine that killed seven million people in 1932-33. Yugo should have more success with it, because if they start to starve, the U.S. will start shipping in thousands of tons of food.

That is, unless the jug-eared Kenyan outlaws dust.

JohnnyReb · « **Reply #9 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:30:50 PM »

He must've copied the African model.....Zim-bob-way.

USA4ME · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:31:59 PM »

In the meanwhile, while the Chavezbots cover up his failures, Venezuela is having to import food. Their lies don't change that fact.

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The Village Idiot · « **Reply #11 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:36:36 PM »

Quote from: USA4ME on July 16, 2009, 06:31:59 PM

In the meanwhile, while the Chavezbots cover up his failures, Venezuela is having to import food. Their lies don't change that fact.

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Turning some of the most efficient farms and ranches in the country into tiny peasant dirt farms was never going to work, there was never a chance it would. It was all about propaganda points.

jukin · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2009, 10:52:17 AM »

WHEN, the hell is the left going to find the person that can make communism work?

It can't possibly be the system. Oh well no matter how many deaths nor how much misery they will keep their search for the mythical benevolent dictator.

Wineslob · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:23:29 PM »

Quote from: jukin on July 17, 2009, 10:52:17 AM

WHEN, the hell is the left going to find the person that can make communism work?

It can't possibly be the system. Oh well no matter how many deaths nor how much misery they will keep their search for the mythical benevolent dictator.

Never.

Their abject refusal to see the "light" proves the insanity of the DUmp, IE: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.

Chris_ · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2009, 02:30:03 PM »

Let's see; expropriation of "corporate" farm land in Russia: Results in 70 years of the Soviet Army needing to be called in to havest the crops before they rot in the fields and mass starvation descend upon Lenin's Worker's Paradise.

more recently:

Expropriation of "corporate" farm land in Zimbabwe: Results in a healthy - formerly Rhodesian - economy becoming the poster child for economic basket cases.

But of course, it's certainly possibly that Hugo Chavez is smarter than Lenin and Robert Mugabe; it's isn't completely inconceivable that he could be the one to finally make the Communist playbook work where those other mass murdering numbskulls failed.

Isn't it?

franksolich · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2009, 03:48:41 PM »

Quote from: DefiantSix on July 17, 2009, 02:30:03 PM

But of course, it's certainly possibly that Hugo Chavez is smarter than Lenin and Robert Mugabe; it's isn't completely inconceivable that he could be the one to finally make the Communist playbook work where those other mass murdering numbskulls failed.

Isn't it?

Not only that sir.

When wandering around the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants with free medical care for all, I stumbled upon a most interesting statistic about Ukraine, which is the same land-size as Texas or France.

Three percent of the farmland in Ukraine, at least at the time, circa 15 years ago, was privately owned, and produced 60% of the food.

The Village Idiot · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2009, 04:12:42 PM »

Quote from: franksolich on July 17, 2009, 03:48:41 PM

Not only that sir.

When wandering around the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants with free medical care for all, I stumbled upon a most interesting statistic about Ukraine, which is the same land-size as Texas or France.

Three percent of the farmland in Ukraine, at least at the time, circa 15 years ago, was privately owned, and produced 60% of the food.

Whoa, if thats true, that factoid alone should be enough to change minds, But minds won't for DUmmies who will say that the private owners had the "best land" and the government was being deprived or something.

miskie · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2009, 05:44:00 PM »

Quote from: DefiantSix on July 17, 2009, 02:30:03 PM

Let's see; expropriation of "corporate" farm land in Russia: Results in 70 years of the Soviet Army needing to be called in to havest the crops before they rot in the fields and mass starvation descend upon Lenin's Worker's Paradise.

more recently:

Expropriation of "corporate" farm land in Zimbabwe: Results in a healthy - formerly Rhodesian - economy becoming the poster child for economic basket cases.

But of course, it's certainly possibly that Hugo Chavez is smarter than Lenin and Robert Mugabe; it's isn't completely inconceivable that he could be the one to finally make the Communist playbook work where those other mass murdering numbskulls failed.

Isn't it?

*miskie gazes up at the sky, looking for a flock of winged, porcine critters.