Author Topic: US to release pictures of prisoner abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan (Read 4673 times)

thundley4 · « **on:** April 24, 2009, 05:19:33 PM »

Snarling dogs and enforced nudity were among the techniques used to force terror suspects to talk at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison. Photograph: AP
"The Obama administration is set to intensify the torture debate by releasing scores of new pictures showing abuse of prisoners held by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The pictures were taken between 2001 and 2006 at detention centres other than Iraq's infamous Abu Ghraib prison, confirming that abuse was much more widespread than the US has so far been prepared to admit.

The Bush administration had repeatedly blocked through legal channels appeals from human rights groups for release of the pictures, which are held by the Army Criminal Investigation Division. But the Obama administration late yesterday lifted all legal obstacles and the pictures are to be published by 28 May.

The justice department has initially agreed to the release of 21 images of abuse at detention centres in Iraq and Afghanistan other than at Abu Ghraib and 23 other pictures. It added "the government is also processing for release a substantial number of other images". Up to 2,000 could be released.

The pictures are similar to those from Abu Ghraib that in 2004 created shock around the world, caused a backlash in the Middle East and eventually led to jail sentences for the US military personnel involved." Link

I have never seen an administration so bent on trying to destroy the previous administration. This buffoon in office is the worst. President Bush would not even speak ill of Clinton or his policies. Yet this a**hole pretender, can not wait to do anything to blame or belittle President Bush.

The only way he can make himself look better is to try and make President Bush and his administration look worse. Hey

, blaming President Bush is only going to work so long with the majority of people, but it will work forever on DU, and their ilk.

DumbAss Tanker · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:58:33 PM »

The Administration is playing with fire here, the Abu Ghraib pics were the biggest recruiting tool the enemy had for a year and a half after they came out. The press and the Dumbocrats have never understood that the rest of the world is not the same as Western Europe and North America.

Lord Undies · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:13:17 PM »

I read elsewhere that the justification for the release of these photos is that the people's right to know outweighs the sensitivity and possible damage to national security these photos can (and will) cause. I didn't realize the "right to know" was such a holy issue in this White House.

If these photos must be released because of some preceived "right to know", even though their release promises to wreck havoc, I cannot imagine what this says about the possible damage the release of Barrack Hussein Obama's birth certificate could cause. It must really spell doom.

thundley4 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:19:09 PM »

Quote from: Lord Undies on April 24, 2009, 06:13:17 PM

I read elsewhere that the justification for the release of these photos is that the people's right to know outweighs the sensitivity and possible damage to national security these photos can (and will) cause. I didn't realize the "right to know" was such a holy issue in this White House.

If these photos must be released because of some preceived "right to know", even though their release promises to wreck havoc, I cannot imagine what this says about the possible damage the release of Barrack Hussein Obama's birth certificate could cause. It must really spell doom.

I had heard on the radio today, that the release is in response to a FOIA request filed five years ago. The Bush administration had so far argued successfully against their release based on harm being done to national security. We all know that national security takes a backseat to doing anything harmful to President Bush.

Hawkgirl · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:48:00 PM »

As far as I'm concerned, he's dancing on the graves of all the US servicemen and women who have given their life to protect us.
I'm not sure I can even articulate words for this...He is the enemy of this country, I am positive.

Lord Undies · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:56:52 PM »

Quote from: thundley4 on April 24, 2009, 06:19:09 PM

I had heard on the radio today, that the release is in response to a FOIA request filed five years ago. The Bush administration had so far argued successfully against their release based on harm being done to national security. We all know that national security takes a backseat to doing anything harmful to President Bush.

As we all know, the FOIA doesn't mean squat when it comes to classified info. To declassify this file is a deliberate act to sabotage the efforts of the United States military and to place those who have volunteered to protect this nation in a dangerous situation.

But The Birth Certificate is still Top Secret. We need to know why. Right now.

Attero Dominatus · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2009, 07:06:58 PM »

Quote from: Hawkgirl on April 24, 2009, 06:48:00 PM

As far as I'm concerned, he's dancing on the graves of all the US servicemen and women who have given their life to protect us.
I'm not sure I can even articulate words for this...He is the enemy of this country, I am positive.

While I have no problem with coercive interrogation, publicizing it like this is only going to help the enemy propaganda efforts as DAT said, so yes, Obama is not only dancing on the graves of the servicemen, he is going to get more of them killed. Obama is a very loyal man, but not to the United States Of America or its constitution or the patriots who defend that constitution. This is going to be a very harsh four years (and that is assuming he will be a one-termer).

Lacarnut · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2009, 08:15:07 PM »

I see no problem with this type of coercive interrogation. If I had been that guard, I might have dropped the leash accidentally on purpose and let the dog take a few chomps out of him.

MrsSmith · « **Reply #8 on:** April 24, 2009, 09:46:41 PM »

Quote from: Lord Undies on April 24, 2009, 06:13:17 PM

I read elsewhere that the justification for the release of these photos is that the people's right to know outweighs the sensitivity and possible damage to national security these photos can (and will) cause. I didn't realize the "right to know" was such a holy issue in this White House.

If these photos must be released because of some preceived "right to know", even though their release promises to wreck havoc, I cannot imagine what this says about the possible damage the release of Barrack Hussein Obama's birth certificate could cause. It must really spell doom.

Isn't this the same government that refuses to hear the other side of the "global climate change" issue?

Sam Adams · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:32:34 AM »

It's time to give up on the birth certificate issue. It seems likely he was born in Hawaii. I have never seen any evidence to suggest otherwise.

RobJohnson · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2009, 02:09:17 AM »

Quote from: thundley4 on April 24, 2009, 05:19:33 PM

Wow, that is almost as bad as them flying planes into our buildings.

MrsSmith · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2009, 07:08:04 AM »

Quote from: Sam Adams on April 25, 2009, 01:32:34 AM

It's time to give up on the birth certificate issue. It seems likely he was born in Hawaii. I have never seen any evidence to suggest otherwise.

Of course you haven't. That was the point...

Flame · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2009, 07:14:49 AM »

Quote from: RobJohnson on April 25, 2009, 02:09:17 AM

Wow, that is almost as bad as them flying planes into our buildings.

My thoughts exactly.

At least after our "torture" and interrogations, the prisoners were capaable of talking /walking a and moving around. After they torture and interrogate, the prisoners are usually in more than one piece.

JohnnyReb · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2009, 07:42:41 AM »

He's just throwing the extreme DUmmies a bone.......and it's being used as a distraction from his ineptness.

When this blows over and the MSM has a few spare minutes to cover some "real" news....he'll throw the dogs another bone. I don't know what that might be but I'll bet it's Bush/Cheney flavored something or other.

Crazy Horse · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2009, 07:46:16 AM »

yeah we are such bad people that torture.....................I guess finding something a couple years ago has left everyone's mind.

Everytime the show a picture of the interrogation we did we should show them this

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html

RobJohnson · « **Reply #15 on:** April 25, 2009, 09:28:40 AM »

Quote from: Flame on April 25, 2009, 07:14:49 AM

My thoughts exactly.

At least after our "torture" and interrogations, the prisoners were capaable of talking /walking a and moving around. After they torture and interrogate, the prisoners are usually in more than one piece.

Yup.

Mr Mannn · « **Reply #16 on:** April 25, 2009, 10:14:17 AM »

I think we are seeing a massive propaganda ploy, designed to whip up America into a hate filled frenzy.
This is a prelude for show trails of the previous administration.

Obama is going to go Hugo on us. He has effectively described all political opposition to him as terrorists. The media is trying to paint every mass murderer as conservative (ignoring the overwhelming evidence to the contrary). O is plotting to remove guns from society. Backdoor Hush Rush bills are being worked on.

what are the consequences here? We know O wants a national security force as well equipped as the army (but loyal to him).
---> would the world cheer Obama on if he were to abolish the CIA, and replace it with his own creation (loyal to him)?

You know me, gang. I have always been pessimistic about O's admin. But now that they have power, I don't think the liberals will ever willingly give it up again. Illegal Amnesty and ACORN will see to that. And I'm picking up consistent rumors of the repeal of the 22nd amendment.
I think its gonna get a LOT worse before it gets better. and people like US will have to make it better, cause no one else will.

Hawkgirl · « **Reply #17 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:41:52 AM »

I never thought I'd see the day that an american entity, the CIA, would have to defend themselves and their acts to protect the country and it's citizens....to an American President.

thundley4 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:56:18 AM »

Quote from: Hawkgirl on April 25, 2009, 11:41:52 AM

I never thought I'd see the day that an american entity, the CIA, would have to defend themselves and their acts to protect the country and it's citizens....to an American President.

Given what little we knew about 0Bama and what little we still know about his past, it really shouldn't be surprising. Many of the same qualities that the moonbats like are the same things that were warnings to everyone else or should have been. It was almost plain to see that he was/is and America hating Socialist with no respect for the Constitution.

5412 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2009, 08:54:41 PM »

Quote from: Mr Mannn on April 25, 2009, 10:14:17 AM

I think we are seeing a massive propaganda ploy, designed to whip up America into a hate filled frenzy.
This is a prelude for show trails of the previous administration.

Obama is going to go Hugo on us. He has effectively described all political opposition to him as terrorists. The media is trying to paint every mass murderer as conservative (ignoring the overwhelming evidence to the contrary). O is plotting to remove guns from society. Backdoor Hush Rush bills are being worked on.

what are the consequences here? We know O wants a national security force as well equipped as the army (but loyal to him).
---> would the world cheer Obama on if he were to abolish the CIA, and replace it with his own creation (loyal to him)?

You know me, gang. I have always been pessimistic about O's admin. But now that they have power, I don't think the liberals will ever willingly give it up again. Illegal Amnesty and ACORN will see to that. And I'm picking up consistent rumors of the repeal of the 22nd amendment.
I think its gonna get a LOT worse before it gets better. and people like US will have to make it better, cause no one else will.

Hi,

My thoughts exactly. I think if it really becomes clear you will see states start to secede from the union. If the 22nd amendment is repealed, then we do become enemies of the state I would imagine. By then Hussein better have his republican guard in place and trained because he may have a real problem with the military; particularly when several southern states call their boys home as part of their national guard. Yeah it could get very ugly.

regards,
5412

rich_t · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2009, 09:35:20 PM »

The 22nd Amendment is unlikely to be repealed.

What I find more likely is that it will be circumvented at some point by a declaration of martial law.

I don't neccesarily mean by the current POTUS.

thundley4 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 27, 2009, 07:01:23 AM »

Quote from: rich_t on April 26, 2009, 09:35:20 PM

The 22nd Amendment is unlikely to be repealed.

What I find more likely is that it will be circumvented at some point by a declaration of martial law.

I don't neccesarily mean by the current POTUS.

The current flu outbreak is a little early to benefit 0Bama in this way.

Tess · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2009, 09:37:43 AM »

Quote from: Hawkgirl on April 24, 2009, 06:48:00 PM

As far as I'm concerned, he's dancing on the graves of all the US servicemen and women who have given their life to protect us.
I'm not sure I can even articulate words for this...He is the enemy of this country, I am positive.

You said exactly what I have been thinking about this.

I don't have a "right" to know. Seriously, my right is in freedom, not knowledge. I honestly don't care what was done to get information to protect my country. As we all knew and said, the "transparency" was going to be exposing past presidencies, not being open with his own.

Hawkgirl · « **Reply #23 on:** April 27, 2009, 11:14:54 AM »

Quote from: Tess on April 27, 2009, 09:37:43 AM

You said exactly what I have been thinking about this.

I don't have a "right" to know. Seriously, my right is in freedom, not knowledge. I honestly don't care what was done to get information to protect my country. As we all knew and said, the "transparency" was going to be exposing past presidencies, not being open with his own.

Exactly...he's not the forward thinker he made himself out to be...He's all about "punishing" BushCo and giving red meat to his followers. Any decisions he's made to impact his presidency have all been failures and have only pissed people off. So he's deflecting his failures by focusing on the past.

AllosaursRus · « **Reply #24 on:** April 27, 2009, 03:49:07 PM »

Quote from: Lord Undies on April 24, 2009, 06:56:52 PM

As we all know, the FOIA doesn't mean squat when it comes to classified info. To declassify this file is a deliberate act to sabotage the efforts of the United States military and to place those who have volunteered to protect this nation in a dangerous situation.

But The Birth Certificate is still Top Secret. We need to know why. Right now.

Ya know, I don't understand this at all. How hard can it be to forge a birth certificate, especially when you have the power of the U.S. govmint behind ya? I mean, c'mon, how hard can it be to fool the American public into thinking it's the real thing?

He has certainly convinced them he is the "ONE" for better than 2 years! Gimme a break. I thought he could walk on water! What's the hold up over the birth certificate?

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Author Topic: US to release pictures of prisoner abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan (Read 4673 times)