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Offline PoliCon

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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2009, 11:41:01 PM »
Quote from: mamacags on March 16, 2009, 03:56:26 PM
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2009, 04:44:15 PM »
UPDATE:
The bill is likely to be debated on the floor tomorrow!
http://republicanwhip.house.gov/floor/3-17-09.pdf
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“On Wednesday, the House will meet at 10:00 a.m. for legislative business.

H.R. 1388 - Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (Subject to a Rule)
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2009, 07:39:13 PM »
Oh you don't have to worry about it MrMannn.  Old33 told me that we are basically paranoid and ridiculous to worry about this bill. :whatever:
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2009, 08:01:57 PM »
Quote from: mamacags on March 17, 2009, 07:39:13 PM
Oh you don't have to worry about it MrMannn.  Old33 told me that we are basically paranoid and ridiculous to worry about this bill. :whatever:
I really hated his condescending nose in the air. What a liberal a$$.
He's probably in commie heaven right now, watching everything conservative Christians fought for since the 80's falter and fail.
He's living proof why people hate lawyers. I've no respect for him.
 
Sorry for the rant. I haven't had to deal with Old 33 for a while now. I cannot believe he is saved. He hangs out with fundies to taunt and argue.
Sad really. His pride will likely find him left behind. I wonder if he'll even act on what he knows.
Sad waste of a man. 

edit to add: for those of you who don't know him, Old33 is a liberal lawyer (very likely with the ACLU). I can best describe him as a DUmmie who thinks he is superior to all who disagree with him (by virtue of his being a lawyer, and we aren't). I've had the task to cross foils with him on many occasions, and I had the pleasure to have helped (behind the scenes) him get kicked off of several boards.   
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2009, 08:06:25 PM »
Quote from: djones520 on March 16, 2009, 07:49:14 AM
I don't see how this will pass the 13th Amendment.  I still don't understand how Selective Service (IE. Draft) isn't a violation of it either, but I doubt this is going to fly.

Article. XIII.
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Section. 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

When one is Drafted, it may be involuntary but they get paid for their service.  That may be the legal work around.

I am still pissed that in this "modern age" women are NOT subject to the Selective Service Act.

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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2009, 08:14:36 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on March 16, 2009, 08:30:28 AM
1.  This wouldn't actually establish such a system, it calls for an examination of whether one could be implemented - the answer to which is a foregone conclusion with at least two-thirds of the Reps from both parties, who know it would be political suicide for their own re-election chances to actually vote for really implementing it, but who can safely straddle the fence between posturing and taking a real position by voting to 'study' it. 

2.  McCarthy is a cuckoo, and anything she does to piss people off is good for the real humans. Same for the rest of the wackos on that list.



Agreed. 
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2009, 08:23:08 PM »
Quote from: Miss Mia on March 17, 2009, 08:14:36 PM
Agreed. 

You are woman.

Should you be subject to the being drafted into the US Armed Services?
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2009, 08:24:51 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 17, 2009, 08:23:08 PM
You are woman.

Should you be subject to the being drafted into the US Armed Services?

Yes. 
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2009, 08:51:12 PM »
I agree that women should have to register for the draft too.  I think that if women really want equal rights then it should be across the board equal.
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2009, 09:13:25 PM »
Quote from: mamacags on March 17, 2009, 08:51:12 PM
I agree that women should have to register for the draft too.  I think that if women really want equal rights then it should be across the board equal.

Me too.  Equal rights, implies equal risk.
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2009, 09:23:12 PM »
I just posted this over at Little Green Footballs, and it's certainly getting a lot of attention there.
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2009, 08:51:09 PM »
UPDATE:
It passed the house today. You would never know it from the news.
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2009, 08:49:31 PM »
Holy Crap.  The press is seriously negligent.
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2009, 09:46:21 PM »
Eff this poseur and the unicorn he rode in on.  I want to see his illegal aunt rack leaves or shovel snow. 
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2009, 11:40:57 PM »
Hi,

I am really suspect about this issue.  In my generation we all had the draft to consider when we got out of high school.  I happen to believe that one of the worst things nitwit Carter did was to discontinue the draft....not for the military purpose....but for the social purpose.  It took a lot of 18 year old punks and got them squared away and 3-4 years later they came out of the military and had their head screwed on right and became productive members of society.

With that being said, I do not see anything in the post about military implications.  My fear is this could turn into Hitler's introductrination peace corps or something to promote a social agenda.  In other words, should these folks not be trained on how to defend this nation....I am totally opposed to the idea.

My guess is like most liberal ideas, there will be all kinds of loopholes so certain folks or privilege can opt out or get special jobs.....like Gore did writing for Stars and Stripes or something, in Vietnam.

I am really concerned about what the real goal of this initiative is.....

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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2009, 05:41:52 AM »
My son does a lot of volunteer, community, service work now. It's required for rank advancement and certain merit badges in the Boy Scouts. What's wrong with them pushing an entirely volunteer organization such as the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts in stead of passing this Hitler Youth bill?

OOOOP's It slipped my mind, the BSA and GSA are all about GOD and COUNTRY, can't be pushing that agenda.

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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2009, 06:06:43 AM »
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“Barack Obama will require you to work."

"He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation and that you move out of your comfort zone. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage."

"Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed – you have to stay at the seat at the table of democracy with a man like Barack Obama not just on Tuesday but in a year from now, in four years from now, in eights years from now, you will have to be engaged.”- Michelle Obama at UCLA

How much you wanna bet Christian teens will be forced to volunteer at abortion clinics? Or punished in other ways (for being Christian teens)?

They may have changed the names from camps to campuses, but these are reeducation camps. 3 years of constant indoctrination.

I warned you guys. Obama is going Hugo on us.
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2009, 09:13:44 AM »
Quote from: mamacags on March 17, 2009, 08:51:12 PM
I agree that women should have to register for the draft too.  I think that if women really want equal rights then it should be across the board equal.

I strongly dislike the idea of women having to register for the draft.  It is one thing to volunteer, but should a young woman with a child be required to go to war?  There are a number of jobs that are female dominated (teaching and child care as examples) that really don't have significant military equivalents, so how would people with those careers in mind transition back into being an employed member of society after serving in the military?  I remember talking to an older man once who served in the Vietnam war, and he was telling me he did not like women serving the military.  He told me that the women and children at home were what he was fighting for, first and foremost, and that it just did not feel right to him to have women serving in the military.  Not very politically correct, but there you have it.

How low would women's rights have to go before you would consider them "unequal" enough that they would not need to register for the draft? 
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2009, 09:25:27 AM »
Quote from: Celtic Rose on March 20, 2009, 09:13:44 AM
I strongly dislike the idea of women having to register for the draft.  It is one thing to volunteer, but should a young woman with a child be required to go to war? 

Yes, to me it's no different than a man with a young child at home.  The draft shouldn't bring both parents at the same time, but either one should go.

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There are a number of jobs that are female dominated (teaching and child care as examples) that really don't have significant military equivalents, so how would people with those careers in mind transition back into being an employed member of society after serving in the military? 

The same way any number of men that have gone to war and come home and transition back. 

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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2009, 09:43:26 AM »
Israel has had military conscription for women since 48.  they are even given front line jobs, like maning checkpoints etc.   Mostly however, they get service type jobs.  but like the US, every soldier is a rifleperson.

They have proven to be very effective, but the reality sometimes is very annoying to the soldier.  there is a ton of paper shuffling, and it seems every colnel wants an attractive secretary.

Women do military service for two years, men for three, but everybody is part of the reserves.   Married and pregnent women are excluded from the draft, and you would think lots of women would take this way out.   This seems to be rare.

As to the 0bama scheme, seems like re education camps to me.  Three years of slavery for everybody, all hail the messiah!
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2009, 06:28:14 PM »
Quote from: Baruch Menachem on March 20, 2009, 09:43:26 AM
every soldier is a rifleperson.
GOOD GOD! What the hell is this PC bullshit??? WAKE UP MAN! This is the conservative cave.  PC gets kicked in the ass at the door!!
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2009, 02:34:04 AM »
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I know him. He replaced Lane Evans who became very ill. Lane was very well respected  as a ranking member of the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs. Phil Hare has nothing going for him. He is a bozo.
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2009, 06:55:26 PM »
Quote from: 5412 on March 19, 2009, 11:40:57 PM
I am really suspect about this issue.  In my generation we all had the draft to consider when we got out of high school.  I happen to believe that one of the worst things nitwit Carter did was to discontinue the draft...

I am against government slavery of any kind.
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« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2009, 06:59:16 PM »
Quote from: FGL on March 24, 2009, 06:55:26 PM
I am against government slavery of any kind.

I too am against income taxes.  It amounts to about 3-4 months of involuntary servitude each year for many of us.
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Re: Obama Youth Bill now before congress. 3 years MANDATORY service.
« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2009, 09:48:12 AM »
3 years service huh?......probably the only job the welfare crowd will ever have.
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