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Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« on: January 19, 2009, 12:02:03 PM »
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Bush pardons 2 former border guards

By DEB RIECHMANN – 5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — President George W. Bush has commuted the prison sentences of two former Border Patrol guards whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited debate about illegal immigration.

Bush's act of clemency on Monday for Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean was a victory for Democratic and Republican members of Congress and others who pleaded with the president to pardon the men or at least commute their sentences.

Ramos and Compean are each serving sentences of more than 10 years for shooting an unarmed illegal immigrant as he was fleeing an abandoned marijuana load in 2005, then trying to cover it up.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j6mH44rWD9yyZf_AZ7YxQDVFL7WwD95QC0O81

It was just on Fox News that Bush commuted Ramos' and Compean's sentences. While not a complete pardon, at least these two border patrol agents are getting out of prison.

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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2009, 12:09:54 PM »
Outstanding.

Just heard it in Rush. I knew it would happen. :cheersmate:
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2009, 12:12:31 PM »
It's a start, but Bush should have granted them pardons. hell, they never should have been charged in the first place.  :hammer:
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2009, 12:14:35 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on January 19, 2009, 12:12:31 PM
It's a start, but Bush should have granted them pardons. hell, they never should have been charged in the first place.  :hammer:

+1

I'm happy they get to go home. But they should have never been in prison in the first place.
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2009, 12:20:22 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on January 19, 2009, 12:12:31 PM
Bush should have granted them pardons.

Agreed.

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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2009, 12:20:41 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on January 19, 2009, 12:12:31 PM
It's a start, but Bush should have granted them pardons. hell, they never should have been charged in the first place.  :hammer:

It is more than anyone expected.

They won't ever want for work -- they will probably end up in a Conservative Think Tank. They are definitely the face of everything that is wrong with how we handle the illegal immigration issue.

They lose a few rights as convicted felons -- but over time those can be worn down.

Overall good news.
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2009, 12:30:27 PM »
I agree with those upthread that it should have been a pardon, but a commuted sentence is better than nothing. 
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 12:39:59 PM »
This is better than nothing but they should be going home today!

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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 12:46:56 PM »
I am so happy, I've already had a couple of beers. And, I hardly ever drink beer.  :beer:
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 12:52:11 PM »
Excellent news.    GWB needs to pardon his admin and everyone involved in to WoT before he leaves office.   I hope he does so. 

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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2009, 12:58:45 PM »
Quote from: formerlurker on January 19, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
Excellent news.    GWB needs to pardon his admin and everyone involved in to WoT before he leaves office.   I hope he does so. 



Wouldn't that be an admission of guilt?
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2009, 01:07:12 PM »
Quote from: Tucker13 on January 19, 2009, 12:58:45 PM
Wouldn't that be an admission of guilt?

No.   It will be a find-some-other-headline-for-your-dog-and-pony-show Nancy statement, and a nice parting  :bigbird:.  to Conyers and company. 

That and it will cause Matthews and Olbermann to have strokes of rage on the air.   Ah, the fallout from this would be so sweet. 

   
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2009, 01:31:02 PM »
Quote from: formerlurker on January 19, 2009, 01:07:12 PM
No.   It will be a find-some-other-headline-for-your-dog-and-pony-show Nancy statement, and a nice parting  :bigbird:.  to Conyers and company. 

That and it will cause Matthews and Olbermann to have strokes of rage on the air.   Ah, the fallout from this would be so sweet. 

   


All of this would be reasons to do it.  I, for one, would pay money to see either Tweety or Olbermann stroke out.
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2009, 02:11:27 PM »
 :cheersmate:  AWESOME!!!!!
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2009, 03:35:35 PM »
I knew he would do this.  I'm so glad.
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 03:41:52 PM »
bush ought to resign, right now, and let Dick Cheney be President for a few hours, then  we could really hear the moonbats howl.
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2009, 03:50:53 PM »
Quote from: Big Don on January 19, 2009, 03:41:52 PM
bush ought to resign, right now, and let Dick Cheney be President for a few hours, then  we could really hear the moonbats howl.

Then Cheney could pardon GWB.   

You may be on to something here.....
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2009, 04:01:37 PM »
Even though they did not follow proper procedure, but throwing them in prison for 10 years is too harsh. They would get a reprimand. They deserve a full and unconditional pardon.
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2009, 04:02:05 PM »
Quote from: Big Don on January 19, 2009, 03:41:52 PM
bush ought to resign, right now, and let Dick Cheney be President for a few hours, then  we could really hear the moonbats howl.

He has only less that 24 hours to resign. That would really shake things up.
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2009, 04:43:16 PM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on January 19, 2009, 04:01:37 PM
Even though they did not follow proper procedure, but throwing them in prison for 10 years is too harsh. They would get a reprimand. They deserve a full and unconditional pardon.

No, they did perform criminal acts. Hiding evidence, lying to a Federal LEO, and some other things. Their sentence was too harsh and they should have just been fired. Commutation was the morally correct thing to do.
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2009, 05:38:52 PM »
I heard their families were really struggling financially.    I really believe Ramos and Compean's days ahead are going to be the best.   They're going to be on talk shows, book tours, etc...    They WILL be okay financially.

Anyway, this Bud is for you Ramos and Compean.    :cheersmate:

And Johnnie Sutton:   :bigbird:
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2009, 06:30:03 PM »
So, they're getting out of prison early, ....as felons.  :whatever:

Not ****ing good enough, Bush.  :censored:
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Re: Ramos' & Compean's Sentences Commuted
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2009, 06:32:50 PM »
Quote from: BEG on January 19, 2009, 03:35:35 PM
I knew he would do this.  I'm so glad.

To be honest I was shocked to hear he did it.
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Bush Commutes Sentences of Border Agents
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2009, 11:01:46 PM »
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WASHINGTON – In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.

Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.

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Re: Bush Commutes Sentences of Border Agents
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2009, 11:03:05 PM »
Please disregard.  There's already a thread on it, which I didn't notice, till after I posted this.   :thatsright:
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