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Bowl Projections
« on: November 23, 2008, 09:03:51 PM »
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowlprojection?season=2008&week=13


Ole Miss vs. Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ole Miss has had a helluva year considering how we performed under Orgeron the previous 3, but this game will be tough. Hell, we did knock off the Gators though.  :evillaugh:

Reardon, looks like they're projecting Ohio State against Georgia in the Capitol One bowl.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2008, 09:17:49 PM »
It would be nice if Utah had lost and givin my guys a shot at the Fiesta Bowl but I think the Capitol One bowl would be more winnable. (could have seen Texas in AZ)

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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2008, 09:19:05 PM »
Quote from: ReardenSteel on November 23, 2008, 09:17:49 PM
It would be nice if Utah had lost and givin my guys a shot at the Fiesta Bowl but I think the Capitol One bowl would be more winnable. (could have seen Texas in AZ)

 :lmao:

You honestly think Georgia is going to be easy to beat? You might want to pull your balls back up a notch. What are you guys, 0-9 against the SEC in Bowls?
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2008, 09:31:38 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 23, 2008, 09:19:05 PM
:lmao:

You honestly think Georgia is going to be easy to beat? You might want to pull your balls back up a notch. What are you guys, 0-9 against the SEC in Bowls?

No. Easier to beat than Texas this year? You Bettcha.

And that 0-9 record is true but way overblown. A lot of those old bowl games were one loss SEC teams vs 3 or, I think, even 4 loss Ohio State teams. Back when OSU had to "settle" for playing a team from the lowly SEC in an off year. It was not like the recent years where the SEC has been the best conf. in the country (bar none).

But yah, I'd rather have Geaorgia than Texas. Especially with a healthy Beanie and a slowly but surely improving true freshman QB. (and true freshman C too)
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2008, 09:40:27 PM »
Lowly SEC? Hell, we've dominated this entire decade, and many of the years in the last. Hell, I could go back further to the 'Bama days.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex?seasonYear=2008

Scroll through those years.

2007, we won.
2006, we won.
2005, our lull.
2004, Auburn SHOULD have played USC, instead of Oklahoma....but we shared. AubU wound up 13-0.
2003, we won
2002, no way in hell Miami should have played in the NC. It should have been UGA.

This year, however, I'll admit. I think the Big 12 is the better conference. We shall see in bowl season.

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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2008, 09:52:47 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 23, 2008, 09:40:27 PM
Lowly SEC? Hell, we've dominated this entire decade, and many of the years in the last. Hell, I could go back further to the 'Bama days.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex?seasonYear=2008

Scroll through those years.

2007, we won.
2006, we won.
2005, our lull.
2004, Auburn SHOULD have played USC, instead of Oklahoma....but we shared. AubU wound up 13-0.
2003, we won
2002, no way in hell Miami should have played in the NC. It should have been UGA.

This year, however, I'll admit. I think the Big 12 is the better conference. We shall see in bowl season.



I agree 100%. But 5 of those 9 losses were in the John Cooper years of Buckeye football. The guy that could not beat Michigan. (Michigan btw, I think is 5-2 vs the SEC) And one of the losses came from Woody Hayes.

Tressel has owns three losses, all in the time of SEC greatness. One in his first year as coach (OSU finished 7-5) and the last two championship games, one of which (vs LSU) we never would have been in had not a half a dozen BCS teams ahead of us lost. Otherwise sweatervest is 4-3 in Bowl games including a national championship. (hey it's not like we are Oklahoma! lol)

Props to the SEC. Big ones. But I still like our chances v Georgia over Texas this year. And that's only a prediction.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 10:07:59 PM »
....but you're acting like "SEC Greatness" is a new revelation. We've been there for quite some time. Decades.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html


BTW, I'm an asshole when it comes to conferences with no championship. Don't hold it against me on the rest of the board.  :-)

BTW, check out '59, '60, and '62.  :-) ....and I don't know why I'm smiling as it was 11, 13, and 14 years before I was even born.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2008, 10:19:20 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 23, 2008, 10:07:59 PM
....but you're acting like "SEC Greatness" is a new revelation. We've been there for quite some time. Decades.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html


BTW, I'm an ******* when it comes to conferences with no championship. Don't hold it against me on the rest of the board.  :-)

It's all good. I get it. There are plenty of great teams in the current SEC system that have great histories as longtime football powers. Jeeze you SEC folks are sensitive bastards.  :lmao:

I'm not big on change and conferences with championships are not exactly an historic tradition harking back to the days of football yor. And they change size and membership too much. (all of them) What can one do? We are victims of circumstance. I was born in the Great Northwest and follow thier pro teams. Raised in the Midwest and all I get on TV all my grown up life is the Big 10, the Big East and ****ing Notre Dame. lol

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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2008, 10:30:20 PM »
Quote from: ReardenSteel on November 23, 2008, 10:19:20 PM
Jeeze you SEC folks are sensitive bastards.  :lmao:

Dude, seriously? We don't have a band equatable to the Dead Schembechlers, and OSU fan-based band.  :lmao:

You say we're sensitive, and that could be true, but you guys and UM have a weirdass rivalry. I f'n HATE LSU, with a passion. I can't STAND MSU. ....but I pull for ALL SEC teams in post conference. I work with a Michigan fan. He's a f'n Obama supporting friggin' moron and he wants OSU to lose EVERY game, including bowl games that help your conference.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2008, 10:41:01 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 23, 2008, 10:30:20 PM
Dude, seriously? We don't have a band equatable to the Dead Schembechlers, and OSU fan-based band.  :lmao:

You say we're sensitive, and that could be true, but you guys and UM have a weirdass rivalry. I f'n HATE LSU, with a passion. I can't STAND MSU. ....but I pull for ALL SEC teams in post conference. I work with a Michigan fan. He's a f'n Obama supporting friggin' moron and he wants OSU to lose EVERY game, including bowl games that help your conference.

I'm the first to admit OSU v UM is not college footballs greatest rivalry. (It's sports greatest rivalry of all time!)

I called you a "sensitive bastard" (H5) because you keep saying that I am saying things I have not. I have nothing but respect for the SEC. How many times must one give due reverence? The fact that I'd rather face Georgia than Texas was not a slam on the SEC. The fact that the recent decade of greatness of all of the SEC is not a slam on individual schools there in who have a terrific history.

I too, pull for the Big 10 once bowl season starts (minus Michigan, your example of an Obama voting moron was spot on) What is left to say? In a few weeks it's going to get really exciting. (especially if OSU beats Oklahoma)
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2008, 10:47:26 PM »
I do view OSU-UM as one of the greatest rivalries in the country. How can you not? I just hope Rodriguez can rebuild the team. I think we won't really see until he gets his own recruits in. He's a good coach, but conferences are different. Hell, our last coach, Ed Orgeron, was the right hand man to Pete Carroll at USC. Before that he was on Miami's roster as a coach when they won the NC. He sucked ASS in the SEC. ****, we were 3-21 in SEC play with him. We're already 4-3 with Nutt. .....but Nutt knows the SEC. He beat last years NC, LSU, when he was the coach of Arkansas. The "Right Reverend" is marching on.

As for you guys, you need to add another team and start having a championship. Notre Damn isn't going to do it. I would bet WVU would leave the Big East in a heartbeat.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2008, 10:59:24 PM »
It's likely enevitable that the Big 10 goes that route. It will be a sad day when OSU and UM don't meet in the final game every year but that's just not modern college ball.

ND would actually be good for the Big 10 as far as fans, money and basketball go but it will be some time before they are respectable again. As far as West Virginia I'd be glad to have them.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2008, 11:02:57 PM »
Quote from: ReardenSteel on November 23, 2008, 10:59:24 PM
It's likely enevitable that the Big 10 goes that route. It will be a sad day when OSU and UM don't meet in the final game every year but that's just not modern college ball.

I'm pretty sure if they brought a team in to complete 12, 2 of the three powerhouses, being OSU and UM, would dictate many things. One being that they're NOT in the same division. Penn State, UM, and OSU are your most storied teams. They'll have a LOT of pull. You could easily see UM and OSU in the last game of the "regular" season. Think about the Georgia-Auburn rivalry. SEC-W vs SEC-E.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2008, 11:18:18 PM »
No doubt they would meet a lot and/or more often than not it would mean something. But the number of times each has had a down year and still played spoiler to the other is freaking crazy. (national championship implications and all)

I'll just have to get used to it like the other folks have. I'm just not a huge fan of playoffs in college football yet. One of the great traditions of the game is arguing about it. It's in a way it's own funny and traditional institutuion. sigh

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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2008, 11:31:49 PM »
I am ALL for a playoff. Some conference champions, and I won't name names.....  :uhsure: have an added advantage over the Big-12, Big-East, ACC, and SEC champion.  :-)

Besides, D-1AA, D-II, and D-III have'em. No one can tell me it's unworkable. Not with all of the f'n bowls we have now that could easily fill the slot.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2008, 11:36:20 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 23, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
I am ALL for a playoff. Some conference champions, and I won't name names.....  :uhsure: have an added advantage over the Big-12, Big-East, ACC, and SEC champion.  :-)

Besides, D-1AA, D-II, and D-III have'em. No one can tell me it's unworkable. Not with all of the f'n bowls we have now that could easily fill the slot.

Well, I can look forward to the great arguments over who "should" have made the top 8 I guess.  :-)
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2008, 11:38:44 PM »
BTW, have you SEEN the bowls we have now? My God, it's getting to the point where we're going to start allowing friggin' 5-7 teams in. The International Bowl in Toronto? WTF?

Houston Nutt had it right though, he told the Rebs, the more you win, the warmer the bowls get.  :-)

Don't know about that bowl in Toronto, but I'd HATE that bowl in Boise. F'n A man, that's gotta be a coldass place during bowl season.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2008, 11:40:29 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 23, 2008, 11:38:44 PM
BTW, have you SEEN the bowls we have now? My God, it's getting to the point where we're going to start allowing friggin' 5-7 teams in. The International Bowl in Toronto? WTF?

Houston Nutt had it right though, he told the Rebs, the more you win, the warmer the bowls get.  :-)

Don't know about that bowl in Toronto, but I'd HATE that bowl in Boise. F'n A man, that's gotta be a coldass place during bowl season.

LOL

I never whould have known about the International Bowl had not Cincinnati played in it last year. (I don't even remember if they won!)
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2008, 11:42:43 PM »
Quote from: ReardenSteel on November 23, 2008, 11:36:20 PM
Well, I can look forward to the great arguments over who "should" have made the top 8 I guess.  :-)

Don't know if I'm for an 8-team. I'd say conference champs(ACC, BE, SEC, Big12, PAC-10, Big-10) and maybe 6 at large. Those At Large should include the best in the other conferences as WELL as at large teams in the big conferences.

Just because the conference winner beat a team one time, doesn't always mean they'll beat'em in a playoff. Ole Miss would get STOMPED by the Gators right now.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2008, 11:53:10 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 23, 2008, 11:42:43 PM
Don't know if I'm for an 8-team. I'd say conference champs(ACC, BE, SEC, Big12, PAC-10, Big-10) and maybe 6 at large. Those At Large should include the best in the other conferences as WELL as at large teams in the big conferences.

Just because the conference winner beat a team one time, doesn't always mean they'll beat'em in a playoff. Ole Miss would get STOMPED by the Gators right now.

Unless my math is drunk, that's two teams with bye's and at most 4 extra games for the winning team?

Could you still have a non-conf. game early like OSU has had with Texas/USC and Miami and Tenn down the road?

On edit:

scratch that... 4 teams with bye's??
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2008, 11:58:18 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 23, 2008, 11:38:44 PM
BTW, have you SEEN the bowls we have now? My God, it's getting to the point where we're going to start allowing friggin' 5-7 teams in. The International Bowl in Toronto? WTF?

Houston Nutt had it right though, he told the Rebs, the more you win, the warmer the bowls get.  :-)

Don't know about that bowl in Toronto, but I'd HATE that bowl in Boise. F'n A man, that's gotta be a coldass place during bowl season.

we played in that bowl in 1998.  it was brutal.  and we lost.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2008, 12:14:03 AM »
Quote from: ReardenSteel on November 23, 2008, 11:53:10 PM
Unless my math is drunk, that's two teams with bye's and at most 4 extra games for the winning team?

Could you still have a non-conf. game early like OSU has had with Texas/USC and Miami and Tenn down the road?

On edit:

scratch that... 4 teams with bye's??

Every team has bye weekends. Unless I'm reading you wrong.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2008, 08:26:28 AM »
My prediction?  Rice Crispies beats Corn Flakes in the Cereal Bowl.

Hey, it's a lot more relevant than a lot of these useless games that are played.
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2008, 08:29:15 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 24, 2008, 12:14:03 AM
Every team has bye weekends. Unless I'm reading you wrong.

I meant a 12 team bracket would have the top 4 teams get a bye in the first round of the playoffs. For a team outside the top 4 to win the championship they would have to win 4 games. Plus you still need a BCS-like system to rank the teams (1 through 12) and figure out who plays who.
 
Note, the numbers on the bracket at the link to not correspond with team ranking. (9-12 would represent the top 4 teams in the country)
http://www.printyourbrackets.com/12teamsingleelimination.html
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Re: Bowl Projections
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2008, 09:02:20 PM »
How about a 16 team then? Hey, my favorite sport is college football. They can take that shit out 'til April as far as I'm concerned.  :-)
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