PALIN ADMITS HER 17-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER IS PREGNANT

[MrsSmith]

So, no taking a woman for a test drive before marriage, Mrs. Smith?   

Seriously though, my ex-wife told me that's what she did to me before we were married. Guess I passed the test.  .....but apparently she wasn't done with her test-driving days. 

We all know we aren't supposed to...but we also know that many don't follow that rule.  I do believe that God's plan is perfect on this subject...if neither partner has other experience, it's probably much easier to be totally thrilled with your spouse.  Just as in other areas, no person is perfect...but 2 virgins have no comparison and are therefore likely to be both happier with each other, and more secure in their spouse's regard. 

[Flame]

Of course your point is meaningless. Do DUI convictions invalidate anti-drunk driving messages?

Actually... it validates my position  

With alcohol, we merely ask for a safe, proper, and accountable handling of it... not abstinence or prohibition!

With sex, gasp, no, no, no, no abstinence only till marriage!

Oh?

"No one said you couldn't drink, just do it at the proper time and place.

"No one said you couldn't have sex, just do it in the proper time and place.

"And no, we aren't going to give you little goodies to help you be a safer drunk driver because it encourages a behavior we think is better confined to its proper setting."

Thanks for playing.

Hi5!

And SLAM DUNK!

[Shamrock]

I saw that.  So, she's seventeen... I was 19 when I had my first kid. Besides, she's marrying the father anyway.

[Chris]

I saw that.  So, she's seventeen... I was 19 when I had my first kid. Besides, she's marrying the father anyway.

It could be worse.  I had 16-year-old girls in my 5th grade class that were pregnant with their second and third children.

[jinxmchue]

I saw that.  So, she's seventeen... I was 19 when I had my first kid. Besides, she's marrying the father anyway.

It could be worse.  I had 16-year-old girls in my 5th grade class that were pregnant with their second and third children.

I bet you lived in a blue state with oodles of comprehensive sex education.

[Wretched Excess]

I am going to merge this thread with the one in breaking news.

[Atomic Lib Smasher]

I saw that.  So, she's seventeen... I was 19 when I had my first kid. Besides, she's marrying the father anyway.

It could be worse.  I had 16-year-old girls in my 5th grade class that were pregnant with their second and third children.

16 year olds in 5th grade?? Were they held back that much?

[Chris]

I saw that.  So, she's seventeen... I was 19 when I had my first kid. Besides, she's marrying the father anyway.

It could be worse.  I had 16-year-old girls in my 5th grade class that were pregnant with their second and third children.

I bet you lived in a blue state with oodles of comprehensive sex education.

Politically, Nashville is a blue turd in the middle of a red state.  I went to an inner-city school that was between two public housing projects.  Got bussed half a hour to get there.

[jinxmchue]

This really seems like a non-issue as far as I see, however... what it says about the Republican and Bush's abstinence only philosophy 

Abstinence is 100 percent effective and works when it's practiced.

Which by the admission of the majority of our very own quite conservative membership... isn't or wasn't...

I will admit to having sex before marriage...








BACK WHEN I WAS A GODLESS LIBERAL DOUCHEBAG.

[Schadenfreude]

Vonne - I wasn't born yesterday, I may look like I was, but alas no. I just gotta love it when someone rolls their eyes and says, yep abstinence doesn't work. How do we know Bristol and her boyfriend weren't using an inferior method of BC like a condom? Do we know that?

I'm honestly not trying to argue, I really am open to understanding the abstinence as a policy notion.  I agree abstinence works, but as a national policy issue?  I fail to see how it does... I'm being honest, I really don't see how it works as a national policy. 

As for Bristol and her boyfriend, as I mentioned I do feel young-adults should be taught that other forms of birth control are not always effective, and if you choose to have sex; accidents can happen.  But they're still taught, how to minimize the risk...

Sorry... I wasn't completely done with my thought and  I dumped my OP after I posted it, but not after you quoted it. I was all spun up because of some leftie at another site saying essentially the same thing as you and ready to abandon the whole concept of abstinence.

I hear what you're saying, but I guess I really don't want the government to decide the national policy on birth control for my children in any case. I truly believe it is my responsiblity and right as a parent to impart all the morality and facts surrounding sex education and birth control to my kids. I certainly don't want them to pass out condoms or BC pills to my kids because they think I haven't done my job to their satisfaction.

[MrsSmith]

But the fact that it isn't 100% practiced does not invalidate that it is 100% effective when practiced. What about the people who use the other methods of BC and end up getting pregnant, do we throw those methods out as well?

That argument, at least I perceive is a scarecrow.  Again, at least I perceive it as as an argument for an unachievable goal (on a national scale), one that we (in general) never could reach... but how dare anyone else not reach it!  Let's pretend the 60's/70's, college, and our younger years were saintly 

Everyone agrees that abstinence, is 100% effective when practiced.  Yet, we all have to admit, it's never going to be practiced in our society at a mass scale before marriage. Of course, [YOU] is different...       

I'm not advocating that twelve year olds be handed condoms from their parents, a case of Rolling Rock, some massage oil, and a few porno's.  I very much believe, irrelevant of our Christian values, that parents should preach abstinence. 

From a policy stand point, utilizing abstinence as a pivotal pillar is ludicrous to me.  It's a foundational aspect, which we know will fail; and with the tumbling rubble leading to numerous misery, disease, and children born to well... children... At least I perceive, the policy makers advocating it, as doing so primarily just to pander to voters.  Pandering to voters at the cost of willingly accepting the casualties mentioned above.  That to me, I find sickening.

Granted, the opposition to it, I also tend to find just as sickening... as the issue so often births into a conservative/liberal tirade, an anti-christian outrage, femi'nazi's, etc.  I do feel it's ashamed, that so often sex ed curriculums are hijacked by the before mentioned groups to spread their causes. 

I tend to look at it like this.  Most parents tell their children the dangers of alcohol, parties, drunk driving, etc.  We preach that they abstain, but acknowledge, that eventually they will take a drink or be around it; before the legal age.  So we plead to them, not to get in a car with some one drinking, to always call for a cab, or even to call their parents and regardless of the hour... we'd rather be called out into the night, than risk them driving home drunk.

Just as we mitigate the dangers of alcohol, I feel it's sinister to not mitigate the dangers of pre-marital sex.  While we implore that abstinence is be strived for, young-adults should be informed of the limits of protection, the side effects, etc. of birth control, pregnancy, etc. as a fail safe.  I do find it disheartening, that we have some of the harshest policies on soft drugs and sexual education; yet have some of the most prolific statistical failures on both accounts...

AIDS in Africa: Abstinence Works


Interview With Expert Matthew Hanley



By Carrie Gress

BALTIMORE, Maryland, FEB. 27, 2008 (Zenit.org).- In the fight against AIDS, abstinence-based programs that focus on changing behaviors rather than handing out condoms simply work better, says an AIDS expert.

Matthew Hanley has been a HIV/AIDS technical adviser at Catholic Relief Services (CRS) for the last seven years and is the author of the forthcoming book "Avoiding Risk, Affirming Life: Science, Love, and AIDS."
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I guess our own kids are just dumber than Africans?

Or maybe not...

The teenage pregnancy rate in this country is at its lowest level in 30 years...

The article cites both abstinence training and birth control.  If we're going to teach our kids now not to drink, why on earth would we skimp on teaching them what else to not do, especially something that has no limitations after marriage.

[DixieBelle]

Vonne - I wasn't born yesterday, I may look like I was, but alas no. I just gotta love it when someone rolls their eyes and says, yep abstinence doesn't work. How do we know Bristol and her boyfriend weren't using an inferior method of BC like a condom? Do we know that?

I'm honestly not trying to argue, I really am open to understanding the abstinence as a policy notion.  I agree abstinence works, but as a national policy issue?  I fail to see how it does... I'm being honest, I really don't see how it works as a national policy. 

As for Bristol and her boyfriend, as I mentioned I do feel young-adults should be taught that other forms of birth control are not always effective, and if you choose to have sex; accidents can happen.  But they're still taught, how to minimize the risk...

Sorry... I wasn't completely done with my thought and  I dumped my OP after I posted it, but not after you quoted it. I was all spun up because of some leftie at another site saying essentially the same thing as you and ready to abandon the whole concept of abstinence.

I hear what you're saying, but I guess I really don't want the government to decide the national policy on birth control for my children in any case. I truly believe it is my responsiblity and right as a parent to impart all the morality and facts surrounding sex education and birth control to my kids. I certainly don't want them to pass out condoms or BC pills to my kids because they think I haven't done my job to their satisfaction.

Amen sister! It's the last part you said that most conservatives believe. It's MY job to teach my kid. Not the state's or the teachers or the community. I am more opposed to that than I am anything else. It's all in the control and flow of information. I can teach my kid in MY way, instilling MY values. Not some watered down school board version.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I saw that.  So, she's seventeen... I was 19 when I had my first kid. Besides, she's marrying the father anyway.

I think its a doomed marriage.

Two young kids, baby and now in the spotlight of every rancid liberal/leftist blog/MSM yellow dog. I doubt Bristol could stay sane under such an onslaught and she is at least marginally used to media attention but I don't the young man will endure for very long.

And that will give the shitbags across the aisle something else to crow about, "ZOMFGWTFBBQ! A FAILED CONSERVATIVE MARRIAGE!!!!"

[DumbAss Tanker]

PALIN ADMITS HER 17-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER IS PREGNANT

Well, really, what were the choices?  These things have a way of becoming rather self-evident as the months go by. 

[Thor]

Many people, mainly the Libtards, seem to think this is something "new". Facts are that since the beginnings of this country, people were having sex (OMFG!!!), getting pregnant, and THEN getting married. There were many marriages in the 1600s that within five months of that marriage were followed by a birth. Puleeeze, people need to give this a break. (Weren't we MORE "moral" in the 1600s?? Apparently not.)

[Mel]

Can somebody please remind the Dems that Obama's momma got pregnant with him BEFORE she married the Daddy AND she was not Daddy's only wifey...

[Lauri]

how about that old liberal standard of " Bill Clinton's private life is private - none of our business who he sleeps with!!"


??


I think James Dobson said it best over the weekend: "People think Christians are perfect and we are far from it. We ask for forgiveness and go forward.. its rather simple really."

[NHSparky]

Okay, so what to make of this BS thing about Palin and her water breaking bit?  Can anyone help me out with this?

[jtyangel]

Many people, mainly the Libtards, seem to think this is something "new". Facts are that since the beginnings of this country, people were having sex (OMFG!!!), getting pregnant, and THEN getting married. There were many marriages in the 1600s that within five months of that marriage were followed by a birth. Puleeeze, people need to give this a break. (Weren't we MORE "moral" in the 1600s?? Apparently not.)

Bravo thor. Not only that, but I've been told by older women when speaking of women even older of them that when women had 12 and 13 kids, it was not uncommon that a couple of them were not fathered by the husband. Apparently people also had affairs then or at the very least traded one service for another if there was a dire need and in a time without birth control, that was a very risky proposition, but in a time without dna evidence one could never prove anything without a doubt. People were often looked at chattel years ago so that would not surprise me. I'm not saying that justifies anything--there is still a reason people did not openly admit to such things since it was unacceptable in society and many time one's place in society as a woman depended on her position and other's perception of her moral character.

[Lauri]

Okay, so what to make of this BS thing about Palin and her water breaking bit?  Can anyone help me out with this?

i read a few articles about that and i think its a non issue really.. she boarded a plane and her contractions were just 1-2 per hour and she wanted to get home to her family and give birth in Alaska.. I have no idea when her water broke. by the time a woman is on her fifth pregnancy, she knows what she is capable of.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Okay, so what to make of this BS thing about Palin and her water breaking bit?  Can anyone help me out with this?

The hysterical, liberal misstatement (is that too redundant?) is that flying is unhealthy for babies.

As with all things liberal: IT'S HORSESHIT. Flying in a plane is not harmful to a child. Airliners prefer that you do not do it because if you go into labor they fear the civil liabilities incurred from any potential complications. This is America where lawyers (like one former liberal democratic contender) would sue for failing to have a fully staffed and equipped OBGYN ward on each Boeing 727.

It should be noted that in Alaska planes are cars. It's too hard to get anywhere without them and driving would be a far greater risk if anything of an urgent nature were to arise.

Also, this was Palin's 5th pregnancy. After so many successful pregnancies any healthcare worker will tell you that you should defer to the mother's judgement as to whether she is ready to deliver.

It's weird that this is the first time libs have shown any concern for prenatal human beings cvonsidering they cheer their candidate for opposing the right of these same human being to receive medical care should the survive an abortionists first effort.

[DixieBelle]

Alternate version: "Sarah Palin's water broke while on official state business. She abruptly left the meeting to check herself into a hospital and took an emergency leave of absence."

DU says: Palin isn't fit to lead!!!! She's too busy having babies!!!! OH NOES!111!!!!!

*eyeroll*

[debk]

Okay, so what to make of this BS thing about Palin and her water breaking bit?  Can anyone help me out with this?

I believe the article I saw regarding it said: she started "leaking amniotic fluid"....which is a big difference from "her water breaking".

My second child literally poked a hole in the placenta...when he moved one way...I leaked a bit. When he moved another way...his little body blocked the leak.

I went to the hospital over 24 hours later....after the doctor checked me out and determined what the fluid was, I was admitted and given drugs to induce labor. I had him about 4 hours later.

The "leak" was a whole lot different from when my water broke with my first one.

[MrsSmith]

Okay, so what to make of this BS thing about Palin and her water breaking bit?  Can anyone help me out with this?

Kind of...when I had my fifth, I had a somewhat similar experience in that my water broke, but I wasn't in hard labor by any means.  I worked that next day, and was called back in to work that evening.  By about 11 PM, which would be more than 24 hours after the waters broke, I could tell that I was actually going into labor.  It took me a couple hours to find someone to cover call for the weekend, and to find my oldest kid for a ride to the hospital.  We got there about 1 AM or so.   I didn't go into heavy labor until about 12:30, so we were in good time.  The baby was born about 3 or 3:30 AM.

Now, I am NOT a runner, never played any sports, have asthma, and am probably 20 pounds heavier than when I was in college, so NOT in as good a shape as Palin seems to be.  If I had no problems for more than a day after my water breaking, I see no reason to believe that she lied, tried to loose the baby, or any other crap.

If she was in labor, she'd have known it.  Remember, Trig was born a whole month early, so she had good reason to think she had plenty of time to get back home.  Also, she had her husband with her.  Given that they've had 5, and are intelligent, rural folks, no doubt he'd have been able to deliver Trig without any problem if needed.  The vast majority of births are nothing more than "catch-the-baby" work, anyway.

I'd love to hear the DUmp's opinion of a Dim having a home birth.     They'd probably think it was wonderful.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

WASILLA, Alaska - The boyfriend of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's unwed, pregnant daughter will join the family of the Republican vice presidential candidate at the GOP convention in St. Paul, Minn.

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Levi Johnston's mother said her 18-year-old son left Alaska on Tuesday morning to join the Palin family at the convention where Sen. John McCain will officially receive the Republican nomination for president. The boy's mother, Sherry Johnston, said there had been no pressure put on her son to marry 17-year-old Bristol Palin and the two teens had made plans to wed before it was known she was pregnant.

"This is just a bonus," Johnston said.

 

Bravo! Well played...and welcome to the family.