PALIN ADMITS HER 17-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER IS PREGNANT

[Lauri]

the more the story unfolds, the less this looks like a  real issue for the family.

hopefully the media idiots will back off after tonight..

kudos to the Johnston's and Palins!

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Not hiding...

http://www.cnn.com/video/savp/evp/?loc=dom&vid=/video/politics/2008/09/03/von.rnc.mccain.arrival.cnn

[DixieBelle]

^Awesome video. I like the part where McCain embraces Palin's kids (esp. the daughter and future son in law) it looks like he's giving them some fatherly advice/encouragement.

[Lauri]

^Awesome video. I like the part where McCain embraces Palin's kids (esp. the daughter and future son in law) it looks like he's giving them some fatherly advice/encouragement.

i heard today that McCain has seven kids. i didnt know that... four adopted kids and three biological.

[DixieBelle]

^yes, it's seven but I think it's the other way around - 3 adopted and 4 bio. Either way, that's a big family! You never hear about the oldest two sons and daughter from the first marriage and of course little about the two sons with Cindy who are in the military. His younger daughters have been on trail though.

[Lanie]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

[DixieBelle]

Did you not hear his speech? Those aren't my words. He said that. Don't try to sell us nuance.

It's okay, he showed his true colors. I expect nothing less from a man who supports abortion. 

[Duke Nukum]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

Considering that many liberals consider pregnancy a disease and BrObama His Divine Self proclaimed that pregnancy would be a punishment upon His Most Divine daughters, aren't you risking a lightning bolt from On High for such heresy?  Or maybe just a charge or "racism" by DU for questioning His Divine Holiness the Lord God Obama?  Which, I guess the charge of "racism" is the strongest lightning bolt BrObama can hurl at the unclean, which is pretty wimpy as far as living gods go.

[MrsSmith]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

"But, if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

His words.  His own words.  Babies and STD's are punishments.  Go listen to him yourself.  This is the same man who argued against the Born Alive Infact Law, saying that it might damage abortion rights, even after the language was changed to match the federal law, to guarantee that would not damage those "rights."    

[Schadenfreude]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

I think Obama and the mainstream feminists do indeed look at children as punishment and obstacles to self-fulfillment. And then you have Sarah come along, a woman who in spite of life's challenges, appears to live a rich and joy-filled life. Am I being harsh? Perhaps, but I have seen it time and time again, the left is nothing if not miserable.

[TheSarge]

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment.

Well then Lanie what WAS he saying when he said:

But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby," Obama said.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat3827.html



I thought you were never coming back here?

[Lanie]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

"But, if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

His words.  His own words.  Babies and STD's are punishments.  Go listen to him yourself.  This is the same man who argued against the Born Alive Infact Law, saying that it might damage abortion rights, even after the language was changed to match the federal law, to guarantee that would not damage those "rights."    

I honestly think Obama saw it in the since that he didn't want to see his daughters get pregnant at a young age. Poor choice of words of course.

I read the act he vetoed. Even though is says in one area that Roe can't be overturned because of it, it's also saying in another area that the embryo/fetus would be declared a person if born in "any" stage of pregnancy. That leaves the question of why an embryo or fetus shouldn't be declared a person before birth. With that being said, I do think he shouldn't have vetoed it, and that actually is one of the reasons I changed my mind about voting for him. Pro-choice is supposed to be about before birth, not after. I don't see any parents saying they don't want their born child to be helped (because most third trimester abortions are done for tragic reasons, not out of a want), but that's not the point.

[Lanie]

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment.

Well then Lanie what WAS he saying when he said:

But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby," Obama said.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat3827.html



I thought you were never coming back here?

Well, somebody here is a pain in the ass.

[Schadenfreude]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

"But, if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

His words.  His own words.  Babies and STD's are punishments.  Go listen to him yourself.  This is the same man who argued against the Born Alive Infact Law, saying that it might damage abortion rights, even after the language was changed to match the federal law, to guarantee that would not damage those "rights."    

I honestly think Obama saw it in the since that he didn't want to see his daughters get pregnant at a young age. Poor choice of words of course.

I read the act he vetoed. Even though is says in one area that Roe can't be overturned because of it, it's also saying in another area that the embryo/fetus would be declared a person if born in "any" stage of pregnancy. That leaves the question of why an embryo or fetus shouldn't be declared a person before birth. With that being said, I do think he shouldn't have vetoed it, and that actually is one of the reasons I changed my mind about voting for him. Pro-choice is supposed to be about before birth, not after. I don't see any parents saying they don't want their born child to be helped (because most third trimester abortions are done for tragic reasons, not out of a want), but that's not the point.

That's bullshit Lanie and I suspect you know it.

[MrsSmith]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

"But, if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

His words.  His own words.  Babies and STD's are punishments.  Go listen to him yourself.  This is the same man who argued against the Born Alive Infact Law, saying that it might damage abortion rights, even after the language was changed to match the federal law, to guarantee that would not damage those "rights."    

I honestly think Obama saw it in the since that he didn't want to see his daughters get pregnant at a young age. Poor choice of words of course.

I read the act he vetoed. Even though is says in one area that Roe can't be overturned because of it, it's also saying in another area that the embryo/fetus would be declared a person if born in "any" stage of pregnancy. That leaves the question of why an embryo or fetus shouldn't be declared a person before birth. With that being said, I do think he shouldn't have vetoed it, and that actually is one of the reasons I changed my mind about voting for him. Pro-choice is supposed to be about before birth, not after. I don't see any parents saying they don't want their born child to be helped (because most third trimester abortions are done for tragic reasons, not out of a want), but that's not the point.

I honestly think he said what he said.  Just as he said that deciding when a human obtains a right to life is "above his pay grade."  He is so pro-abortion that he would rather risk infanticide than have an attempted abortion end with a living child.  You do realize how these failed abortions are handled?  The breathing infant in question is wrapped in a blanket and placed in the "dirty utility room" and left alone to die...for as long as it takes.  If an abortion fails on a Downs Syndrome baby, how long do you think it will take that infant to die?  Evidently, Obama doesn't care.  It isn't possible to say anything worse about a person than that.   

[Lanie]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

"But, if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

His words.  His own words.  Babies and STD's are punishments.  Go listen to him yourself.  This is the same man who argued against the Born Alive Infact Law, saying that it might damage abortion rights, even after the language was changed to match the federal law, to guarantee that would not damage those "rights."    

I honestly think Obama saw it in the since that he didn't want to see his daughters get pregnant at a young age. Poor choice of words of course.

I read the act he vetoed. Even though is says in one area that Roe can't be overturned because of it, it's also saying in another area that the embryo/fetus would be declared a person if born in "any" stage of pregnancy. That leaves the question of why an embryo or fetus shouldn't be declared a person before birth. With that being said, I do think he shouldn't have vetoed it, and that actually is one of the reasons I changed my mind about voting for him. Pro-choice is supposed to be about before birth, not after. I don't see any parents saying they don't want their born child to be helped (because most third trimester abortions are done for tragic reasons, not out of a want), but that's not the point.

I honestly think he said what he said.  Just as he said that deciding when a human obtains a right to life is "above his pay grade."  He is so pro-abortion that he would rather risk infanticide than have an attempted abortion end with a living child.  You do realize how these failed abortions are handled?  The breathing infant in question is wrapped in a blanket and placed in the "dirty utility room" and left alone to die...for as long as it takes.  If an abortion fails on a Downs Syndrome baby, how long do you think it will take that infant to die?  Evidently, Obama doesn't care.  It isn't possible to say anything worse about a person than that.   

That's why I'm only for allowing third trimester when there's a life endangerment. Disabilities is not a good enough reason to do it IMO. It's still a tragedy though IMO (referring back to the other response).

[Atomic Lib Smasher]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

"But, if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

His words.  His own words.  Babies and STD's are punishments.  Go listen to him yourself.  This is the same man who argued against the Born Alive Infact Law, saying that it might damage abortion rights, even after the language was changed to match the federal law, to guarantee that would not damage those "rights."    

I honestly think Obama saw it in the since that he didn't want to see his daughters get pregnant at a young age. Poor choice of words of course.

I read the act he vetoed. Even though is says in one area that Roe can't be overturned because of it, it's also saying in another area that the embryo/fetus would be declared a person if born in "any" stage of pregnancy. That leaves the question of why an embryo or fetus shouldn't be declared a person before birth. With that being said, I do think he shouldn't have vetoed it, and that actually is one of the reasons I changed my mind about voting for him. Pro-choice is supposed to be about before birth, not after. I don't see any parents saying they don't want their born child to be helped (because most third trimester abortions are done for tragic reasons, not out of a want), but that's not the point.

Um, that's just it, Lanie... it WOULD be a person if IT WAS BORN! And Obama voted against it.... yet you still support him for it. What the **** is wrong with you?

[TheSarge]

Well, somebody here is a pain in the ass.

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

[MrsSmith]

I can't wait for the McCain/Palin camp to throw Obama's "punished with a baby" remarks back in his face.

I don't think Obama sees children as punishment. Most parents don't want their kids to have a baby too soon. I think it would be best if all the parents involved agreed to not talk about the the other peron's kid and not try to make examples out of their own kids. I've personally have been pissed off at how closely Bristol (who isn't running) is being watched (actually, I've been pissed at all the targeting of Palin and her family in just two weeks time). I'm hoping when she has the baby, she tells reporters to piss off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

"But, if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

His words.  His own words.  Babies and STD's are punishments.  Go listen to him yourself.  This is the same man who argued against the Born Alive Infact Law, saying that it might damage abortion rights, even after the language was changed to match the federal law, to guarantee that would not damage those "rights."    

I honestly think Obama saw it in the since that he didn't want to see his daughters get pregnant at a young age. Poor choice of words of course.

I read the act he vetoed. Even though is says in one area that Roe can't be overturned because of it, it's also saying in another area that the embryo/fetus would be declared a person if born in "any" stage of pregnancy. That leaves the question of why an embryo or fetus shouldn't be declared a person before birth. With that being said, I do think he shouldn't have vetoed it, and that actually is one of the reasons I changed my mind about voting for him. Pro-choice is supposed to be about before birth, not after. I don't see any parents saying they don't want their born child to be helped (because most third trimester abortions are done for tragic reasons, not out of a want), but that's not the point.

Um, that's just it, Lanie... it WOULD be a person if IT WAS BORN! And Obama voted against it.... yet you still support him for it. What the **** is wrong with you?

Ummm, she says, "With that being said, I do think he shouldn't have vetoed it, and that actually is one of the reasons I changed my mind about voting for him."  I'm not sure she is "supporting" him anymore.  I sincerely hope not, anyway. 

[Wretched Excess]

we have turned a relevant BN thread into a fight club thread.  I don't want to transport it, but couldn't we
all have our manifest, manifold disagreements with lanie in the FC?

I don't want to stifle the debate, but BN ahould be about BN.

jus' sayin' . . . .

[Lanie]

we have turned a relevant BN thread into a fight club thread.  I don't want to transport it, but couldn't we
all have our manifest, manifold disagreements with lanie in the FC?

I don't want to stifle the debate, but BN ahould be about BN.

jus' sayin' . . . .

Yes sir.

on edit: Just reread what WE said. I misunderstood him at first, so I probably didn't make sense last night. I was just saying I'd stop my role. Sorry.

[JohnnyReb]

we have turned a relevant BN thread into a fight club thread.  I don't want to transport it, but couldn't we
all have our manifest, manifold disagreements with lanie in the FC?

I don't want to stifle the debate, but BN ahould be about BN.

jus' sayin' . . . .

Yes sir.

...and just think. If we had just let the more intelligent liberals run everything, the kid would have put a condom on a bananna and there wouldn't have been anything to discuss.

But then, there is the problem of finding bananna's in Alaska that time of year.

[debk]

If When McCain-Palin win....those reporters who have been evilly ugly toward Bristol and her boyfriend and their baby....will be falling all over themselves and offering obscene amounts of money to photograph the three of them.

People aren't remembering that Alaska is the "last frontier". I'm sure there are a lot of girls up there who chose to have children when they are young. This is not the worst thing in the world. The girl got pregnant....she didn't commit a felony.

[Baruch Menachem]

By the way, when is the wedding?   Isn't that just a tad overdue?

Be a cool wedding, with a bunch of guys carrying Uzis in attendance.

I hope the due date isn't Jan 20.

Anyway, enough snarkiness. I hope it works out for them.   For 99% of girls in her position it would be disaster.  And for her mom, it sure isn't a positive.   But I like Palin a lot for her policy stuff, and I was a big Thompson supporter way back when, and his family problems as a dad were a lot worse than what Palin has to put up with.
And what Biden has on his plate, Bristol is not a problem at all after they get churched decent.

[MrsSmith]

By the way, when is the wedding?   Isn't that just a tad overdue?

Be a cool wedding, with a bunch of guys carrying Uzis in attendance.

I hope the due date isn't Jan 20.

Anyway, enough snarkiness. I hope it works out for them.   For 99% of girls in her position it would be disaster.  And for her mom, it sure isn't a positive.   But I like Palin a lot for her policy stuff, and I was a big Thompson supporter way back when, and his family problems as a dad were a lot worse than what Palin has to put up with.
And what Biden has on his plate, Bristol is not a problem at all after they get churched decent.

Whatever.  A huge number of women have had babies as teens, and gone on to perfectly fine lives.   Many of us even got an education and pursued a career.  A baby is never a disaster.  (Now, a 2 year old may qualify, but not a newborn.)