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Offline Happy Fun Ball

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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2018, 11:01:02 AM »
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We are in this together, Everyman for himself does not work. Therefore we need government and services which we all fund.

This is a big problem with liberals. If the government isn't taking care of you, then you might as well be adrift in the southern Pacific. If the government doesn't do it with subsidies or a government program, then it will never get done. If the government isn't controlling every aspect of our lives, then there might as well be no government at all. It's either/or with liberals with no middle ground whatsoever. We managed to survive just fine for years without government encroachment and overreach, and we can survive just fine if we get the government out of our lives.

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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2018, 11:07:28 AM »
I am white,in my 50s,financially secure,live in a rural area and do own guns.

There are many reasons I vote conservative so to name a few.

I distrust government.It is needed to maintain civil order,defend against enemies and a few other limited but Constitutionally mandated things.
No matter how well intentioned an expansion of government may seem to be it almost inevitably takes on a mission to grow itself or be utilized by bureaucrats to gather power and control.
The EPA as an example and no I don`t want unrestrained pollution but I also don`t want anti business leftists to use it to shut down growth over idiotic things.

I do not believe that there needs to be an expansive welfare state.
Life is not nor ever will be fair so there is no place for government to be picking up the slack other then very limited cases.
Removing the pride of accomplishment by removing the need to take care of ones self has led to a culture of entitlement which the left has used to divide out various declared victim groups.
Dependency on government is soul crushing.

Human nature will never be overcome so any notion that there is not evil in the world and somehow we can all live in peace is nonsense.
Radical islam will never surrender to those musings and it needs to be recognized as the evil it is to name one thing.

I have not read all replies so am sure will be echoing many but in short I don`t want a government to be telling me I need to depend on it for my happiness and care.
What is given to one must be taken from another and I don`t ever want to be part of a party that wants a massive government arbitrarily deciding who gets to be the winners and who gets to be the losers.

That is where tyranny arises from.

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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2018, 11:49:10 AM »
I am white,in my 50s,financially secure,live in a rural area and do own guns.

There are many reasons I vote conservative so to name a few.

I distrust government.It is needed to maintain civil order,defend against enemies and a few other limited but Constitutionally mandated things.
No matter how well intentioned an expansion of government may seem to be it almost inevitably takes on a mission to grow itself or be utilized by bureaucrats to gather power and control.
The EPA as an example and no I don`t want unrestrained pollution but I also don`t want anti business leftists to use it to shut down growth over idiotic things.

I do not believe that there needs to be an expansive welfare state.
Life is not nor ever will be fair so there is no place for government to be picking up the slack other then very limited cases.
Removing the pride of accomplishment by removing the need to take care of ones self has led to a culture of entitlement which the left has used to divide out various declared victim groups.
Dependency on government is soul crushing.

Human nature will never be overcome so any notion that there is not evil in the world and somehow we can all live in peace is nonsense.
Radical islam will never surrender to those musings and it needs to be recognized as the evil it is to name one thing.

I have not read all replies so am sure will be echoing many but in short I don`t want a government to be telling me I need to depend on it for my happiness and care.
What is given to one must be taken from another and I don`t ever want to be part of a party that wants a massive government arbitrarily deciding who gets to be the winners and who gets to be the losers.

That is where tyranny arises from.


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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2018, 08:16:08 AM »
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We are in this together, Everyman for himself does not work. Therefore we need government and services which we all fund.

A Liberal's idea of what government 'Services' are necessary or desireable, and how far they should penetrate into individual life, compared to a Conservative's or Libertarian's, are entirely different things.
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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2018, 12:58:16 PM »
I am white, in my 50s, have money, live in a rural area and own guns. Why should I vote for repubs?

HI,
Thought I would chime in here to help "combat" the stereotype, sort of...
Don't think anyone here can "convert you".

Funky made most of MY points

I'm in my 70's, on Social Security and Medicare.

With my wife owned a small business, two employees,
when we sold, the government took 40% of our money from the sale.
I was hoping I would not need SS but the government forced my hand.

Life member of the NRA although have not yet purchased a gun.
The NRA to me represents FREEDOM and a "fire Wall", of sorts, against tyranny.

My Father was a member of the United Steel Workers Union and voted for democrats,
although cursed them on a regular basis.

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Just food for "your" thought.  :-)

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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2018, 01:24:34 PM »
Let’s  continue

1. I believe you are discussing taxes. We are 300 million plus people without any more frontiers to explore or land to populate. . We are in this together, Everyman for himself does not work. Therefore we need government and services which we all fund. Sales, local, state and federal taxes are a fact of life. We just need to get rid of waste and improve the function of government.

2.  Happy to keep union money and nra money and their social interest money out of politics. All of It. I’ve was a union (united Steel Workers) for a few months while working a summer job, they gave me beer. I support the rights of workers to unionize if they choose to but prefer to not work with union shops. nra is all about the money. I prioritize my votes inversely proportional to the money a candidate receives from the NRA. My voice is much better reflected by corporations than a union or the nra. Corporations are people my friend.

4.Healthcare is ****ed up, we both agree. Everyone of us has an interest in solving the problem. All parties should agree on the goals we want to achieve and work together to solve them. Perhaps the Berkshire Hathaway, Amazon, JPM team can lead the efforts. But we must default to a short term plan which covers as many as we can.

3.  There is a price for living here.

5.  Religion perverts civics. Keep it out.

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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2018, 08:03:18 PM »
Amazing what we find when the mask falls away.........

There was never a mask on this one.

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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2018, 09:27:52 PM »
I am white, in my 50s, have money, live in a rural area and own guns. Why should I vote for repubs?

Those variables are meaningless.

If you believe in self-sufficiency and that government should be a LAST resort for temporary livelihood to smooth over rough patches for short times then you should be Conservative.  If you believe in freedom and a representative republic as defined in the USC you should be Conservative.

If you believe that people need Big Government to direct and control their lives and made decisions for each and every one and support sloth as a way of life and insulate people from the responsibility of their actions, then continue to be a socialist.

But you need to understand that YOU will not be part of the ruling class you so badly want to be.  YOU will just be a serf.

Me?  Freedom and standing up for my decisions is my desired lifestyle.

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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2018, 09:46:26 PM »
Let’s  continue

1. I believe you are discussing taxes. We are 300 million plus people without any more frontiers to explore or land to populate. . We are in this together, Everyman for himself does not work. Therefore we need government and services which we all fund. Sales, local, state and federal taxes are a fact of life. We just need to get rid of waste and improve the function of government.

Nice non statement.  You want the largest government possible yet pretend you want it to be small.  Government should do ONLY WHAT  IT UNIQUELY CAN PROVIDE.  Infrastructure and protection and defending instantiated rights.

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2.  Happy to keep union money and nra money and their social interest money out of politics. All of It. I’ve was a union (united Steel Workers) for a few months while working a summer job, they gave me beer. I support the rights of workers to unionize if they choose to but prefer to not work with union shops. nra is all about the money. I prioritize my votes inversely proportional to the money a candidate receives from the NRA. My voice is much better reflected by corporations than a union or the nra. Corporations are people my friend.

Again a non-statement.  If you want to actually say something you should say something.  You speak as much and as often as you want and I will do the same. You don't get to restrict my speech by restricting my use of money as I wish.  But nice job of exposing your fascism.

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4.Healthcare is ****ed up, we both agree. Everyone of us has an interest in solving the problem. All parties should agree on the goals we want to achieve and work together to solve them. Perhaps the Berkshire Hathaway, Amazon, JPM team can lead the efforts. But we must default to a short term plan which covers as many as we can.

Once again your fascism is showing (no surprise). I was actually OK with HC before obozocare f!ed it all up. Oh wait.  That was YOU who wanted that!  I hereby blame you for all the price rises since you are reading this and obozo will never have to worry about HC for the rest of his life (except for forcing his slut daughters to abort children as a form of birth control).
 
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3.  There is a price for living here.

Earth to shoe: There is  cost to EVERYTHING.  I think I even mentioned that to you over at DI.  Opportunity Cost means something.  The fact you are too shallow to understand that doesn't negate it.
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5.  Religion perverts civics. Keep it out.
Untrue and not your call. ALL modern civilization was based on Judaeo-Christian ethics.  Without those ethics we are just baboons flinging crap at each other.  I could give a primer on why that is so but it would be diamonds before swine.

I guess I am having a conflict here.  Are you stupid b/c you are arrogant or are you arrogant b/c you are stupid?  I kindly will believe the latter.
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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2018, 09:55:27 PM »
I am white,in my 50s,financially secure,live in a rural area and do own guns.

Well, hell, Carl -- there is your problem!  You checked off 5/5 of the liberal hate boxes!!!  Actually, I will give you 6/6 since I am pretty sure you are straight.
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Re: Make your best pitch
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2018, 10:44:21 AM »
Funny how Left Shoe ran off when faced with actual answers. I think SSGSB called that on very well!!

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