primitive going down the drain fears Skins's island turning rightward

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6660961

Oh my.

inthebrain  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 09:09 PM
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Right ward turn of this message board?
   
Just curious if anyone agrees with this. I was talking to a few people online and some even at work who no longer post here because they feel this board has taken a turn rightward. At least the tone or what is tolerated by other members for discussion.

My take is somewhat in the air. I noticed in the 2004 election that as the candidates move to the "center" or shift rightwards on the issues, a lot of folks follow suit with the mindset that the candidate should be defended at all costs. I saw a lot of this with Kerry when he said he would fight a "smarter war on terror" and said that he wasn't against the Iraq war. Just wanted to fight a better war in Iraq.

Not sure how this stacks up in this election. I haven't really folowed the candidates as closely as I'd like to. Of course a lot of this has to do with my choice to shut off the crappy filter that is the media.

So I haven't really staked out a position on this. Just interested if anyone agrees with this or dissagrees.

The bonfire's enormous.

cryingshame  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 09:10 PM
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1. you're just pissed off cause a lot of us like or admire Joe Biden. I hope he is the VP just to watch your head explode

Dinger  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 10:01 PM
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18. Oh, That's Productive

JoFerret  (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-19-08 07:25 AM
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60. Charming
   
Your life must be full of happiness.

Apparently the above's a "personal" thing among the primitives; now, on topic:

Kurt_and_Hunter  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 09:13 PM
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5. Big time! This is now your one-stop option for most of the Contract on America and Clinton smears
   
It's like every word Newt Gingrich spoke in the 1990s has become accepted dogma by many here.

The biggest change is on civil liberties. The tone here (on avaerge) is authoritarian now.

In 2004 there were a LOT of diverse lefties of all stripes. Now those folks are mostly gone.

franksolich is immensely curious.  What's a "diverse leftie"?  They all look alike to me.

JoFerret  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 09:56 PM
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17. Seems about correct
   
And the general vituperation level has shot up too.

Purist middle-of-the-roaders. Complete with enemy lists.

Who would have thunk it?

TankLV  (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-19-08 12:42 AM
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52. Yep - just about sums it up...
   
Of course, we're also in the "election cycle" proper, and as a "democratic" site - it is AGAINST THE RULES to advocate support for anyone but the "nominee". It's actually very simple and quite clear.

But I agree that too many here will accept absolutely NO criticism of obama - even if justified...

It is sad, really, but not to be unexpected...

If it continues past the election should obama win, then this tendency towards blind following will be just too much for me...

If obama continues to diss the gay community and keep us under the bus, I will be very disappointed - but not surprised...

Maybe Barry "Goldwater" Obama's throwing the gay community under the bus because it's an old, stale, boring, dreadfully dreary cause, and the general public's tired of it.

JackORoses  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 09:14 PM
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8. that's just the infesting PUMAs. they do not represent this board or our Party.

I dunno.

Maybe the supporters of the worthier Democrat candidate don't represent Skins's island, but one hesitates to call them non-Democrats; in fact, they're probably better Democrats than the Obamaites and the Obamaite primitives.

JoFerret  (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-19-08 07:24 AM
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59. I was reading this book about the followers of Freud in the early days of psychoanalysis. Freud demanded a total loyalty and many of his disciples developed minor differences in approach that he regarded as heresy. The infighting that developed was fierce and vehement. And all over relatively minor differences. The author analyzed this behavior as a form of narcissism.

By Jo, the primitive's right.  I read that too.

Now, the primitives get back on topic:

calimary  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 09:15 PM
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9. I haven't noticed any wrong-ward swing.
   
Otherwise, I'd lose interest, myself. I don't come here to fraternize with CONs. I get MORE THAN ENOUGH exposure to them in every other aspect of my life, and almost every other media outlet (except my faves on the net). I come here to get some welcome relief from all that.

Spazito  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 09:16 PM
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10. DU has always been left of mainstream America and that hasn't changed, imo

Newshues  (36 posts) Mon Aug-18-08 09:24 PM
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12. more tolerance
   
There is more tolerance for opinions and positions that, while still left of America's center, are right of DU's center. That has served to change the overall impression of DU to simply left of center rather than far left of center. In the process a number of far left of center posters have moved on for that or some other reason - I can't know why they moved on, I'm guessing.

DU still represents, at the core, the far comfortable left of American mainstream politics. That is what it fundamentally is. I don't think anything will change that any time soon.

book_worm  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 10:36 PM
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25. Nope haven't noticed. Seems still very progressive to me.

QC  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 11:18 PM
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37. Yes, the board has lurched to the right.
   
I never would have imagined, back in 2001, when I first came here, that I would see DUers arguing against universal health care and singing the praises of Wal-Mart, but now those things don't even raise eyebrows anymore.

Nor did I ever imagine that I would hear references to "Billary" and Monica's cigar here, but now this place often sounds like Free Republic in the fall of 1998. Quite a few of our loudest and most active posters spend pretty much all of their time here trashing Democrats and seldom say a single unkind word about the other party. (Kinda makes one wonder, doesn't it?)

Old Crusoe  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-19-08 12:02 AM
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48. DU is a left-of-center site.
   
Held in high regard here are names like Wellstone, RFK, Feingold, Bernie Sanders, and on down a very long and impressive list of progressives.

Bill Moyers is a resonant name here too.

It's a site that gears toward a vigorous public conversation about and in support of left-of-center ideas and people.

And it draws a crowd attendant to that tilt.

And it's informative for that reason because almost no one's local paper comes close to being as informed or as funny.

It's a rollicking funny bonfire, all sorts of little spats among the primitives.

[USA4ME]

When Skins was provided the means by which to acquire the island in early 2001, no doubt it was born of misplaced anger and a sense of lost entitlement.  But I have yet to conclude he truly knew exactly what kind of "Democrats" the site would attract, and would have to say it certainly wasn't what he expected.  He has to be hugely disappointed and it seems he now only sees it as a cash cow.  So in his own way, just like the big name Dems with which he was hoping the site would permit him to rub shoulders, Skins has learned to use the members of DU for the only thing they serve any purpose in life, and that is taking what little money they have to use for his pleasure.

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[Splashdown]

DU moving right? Nah. The far left have always tried to squelch any differing opinion. Par for the communist/totalitarian course, if you ask me.

[franksolich]

When Skins was provided the means by which to acquire the island in early 2001, no doubt it was born of misplaced anger and a sense of lost entitlement.  But I have yet to conclude he truly knew exactly what kind of "Democrats" the site would attract, and would have to say it certainly wasn't what he expected.  He has to be hugely disappointed and it seems he now only sees it as a cash cow.  So in his own way, just like the big name Dems with which he was hoping the site would permit him to rub shoulders, Skins has learned to use the members of DU for the only thing they serve any purpose in life, and that is taking what little money they have to use for his pleasure.

Damn, you're good, sir.

I myself have no doubt my fellow alum Skins never knew what he was getting into.

You might recall that my fellow alum Skins, after working for Senators Biden (D-Delaware) and Levin (D-Michigan) (or perhaps it was his brother the congressman), ended up working for Congressman David Bonoir (D-Michigan), who ran for the Democrat nomination for governor of Michigan in 2000, and lost.

Skins was left high-and-dry, without a job.

However, since my fellow alum obviously had (has) talent in this area, some "connections" inside the Democrat Leadership Council established and financed Skins's island, for him to run.  Skins is a good man to have in politics, and the DLC wanted to keep him in politics.

I'm sure my fellow alum had no idea, absolutely no idea, what he was getting into.

Well, he got into it, and being the Democrat party stalwart he is, has stuck with Skins's island, although he really doesn't seem to enjoy it.  In fact, there's never been any evidence my fellow alum, or Lord Marblehead EarlG, or the elusive enimatic one Elad, has ever even rubbed shoulders with any primitives in real life.

Hell, they never even met the red round one of voter-fraud fame, and I've never seen any indication they've even seen the Bostonian Drunkard in the flesh, much less less-prominent primitives.

Since he really doesn't like the job, but has to stick with it, one can hardly blame my fellow alum for getting all that he can get out of it, and the primitives.  I've always been of the opinion that Skins really deserves at least ten times the cash the primitive give him, they're such a nuisance.

[DumbAss Tanker]

The tone here (on avaerge) is authoritarian now.

Oh, 'twas ever thus, my little DUmmie.

 

[Carl]

When Skins was provided the means by which to acquire the island in early 2001, no doubt it was born of misplaced anger and a sense of lost entitlement.  But I have yet to conclude he truly knew exactly what kind of "Democrats" the site would attract, and would have to say it certainly wasn't what he expected.  He has to be hugely disappointed and it seems he now only sees it as a cash cow.  So in his own way, just like the big name Dems with which he was hoping the site would permit him to rub shoulders, Skins has learned to use the members of DU for the only thing they serve any purpose in life, and that is taking what little money they have to use for his pleasure.

Damn, you're good, sir.

I myself have no doubt my fellow alum Skins never knew what he was getting into.

You might recall that my fellow alum Skins, after working for Senators Biden (D-Delaware) and Levin (D-Michigan) (or perhaps it was his brother the congressman), ended up working for Congressman David Bonoir (D-Michigan), who ran for the Democrat nomination for governor of Michigan in 2000, and lost.

Skins was left high-and-dry, without a job.

However, since my fellow alum obviously had (has) talent in this area, some "connections" inside the Democrat Leadership Council established and financed Skins's island, for him to run.  Skins is a good man to have in politics, and the DLC wanted to keep him in politics.

I'm sure my fellow alum had no idea, absolutely no idea, what he was getting into.

Well, he got into it, and being the Democrat party stalwart he is, has stuck with Skins's island, although he really doesn't seem to enjoy it.  In fact, there's never been any evidence my fellow alum, or Lord Marblehead EarlG, or the elusive enimatic one Elad, has ever even rubbed shoulders with any primitives in real life.

Hell, they never even met the red round one of voter-fraud fame, and I've never seen any indication they've even seen the Bostonian Drunkard in the flesh, much less less-prominent primitives.

Since he really doesn't like the job, but has to stick with it, one can hardly blame my fellow alum for getting all that he can get out of it, and the primitives.  I've always been of the opinion that Skins really deserves at least ten times the cash the primitive give him, they're such a nuisance.

I have no doubt he took the job as lion feeder thinking that lions really were the characters in a Disney movie but quickly found out that in real life they would just as soon eat the one feeding them as they would his offering.

He has calculated that in normal life he will be a nothing special but if he keeps enough red meat in front of the animals they may spare him and provide him with a better living then he would have otherwise.

What other purpose is there to humor the craziness of the 9/11 conspiricy nuts and all the other obvious loons that post there if he himself doesn`t go along?

[LC EFA]

Is DU Moving to the right ?

No, DUmbass, it's moved so far to the left that you've lost all touch with reality. So much so that even such "luminary" leftards like hitler are now just a distant blur on the horizon.

If $kammer had any testicular fortitude wasn't afraid killing the goose that lays the golden egg, he'd give half the crackpots on there the boot just to clear the air.

[TheSarge]

Right ward turn of this message board?
   
Just curious if anyone agrees with this. I was talking to a few people online and some even at work who no longer post here because they feel this board has taken a turn rightward. At least the tone or what is tolerated by other members for discussion.

Hmm...this seems to be the general opinion at Big Jerry's Salon as well.

To listen to the Primitive's that have fled to Big Jerry's...there's no difference between FreeRepublic and DU these days.

[Crazy Horse]

Right ward turn of this message board?
   
Just curious if anyone agrees with this. I was talking to a few people online and some even at work who no longer post here because they feel this board has taken a turn rightward. At least the tone or what is tolerated by other members for discussion.

Hmm...this seems to be the general opinion at Big Jerry's Salon as well.

To listen to the Primitive's that have fled to Big Jerry's...there's no difference between FreeRepublic and DU these days.

Where the hell is their reality and what color is the sky

[Chris_]

Right ward turn of this message board?
   
Just curious if anyone agrees with this. I was talking to a few people online and some even at work who no longer post here because they feel this board has taken a turn rightward. At least the tone or what is tolerated by other members for discussion.

Hmm...this seems to be the general opinion at Big Jerry's Salon as well.

To listen to the Primitive's that have fled to Big Jerry's...there's no difference between FreeRepublic and DU these days.

DU was born stupid.  FR became stupid.