Was The Election Actually RIGGED?

[dutch508]

Star Member SoCalMusicLover (1,617 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029107806

Was The Election Actually RIGGED?

Did Russia gain access to the tabulators and switch votes? I'll go to my grave believing that Shrub rigged the voting machines in 2004, otherwise Kerry would have won that election. But of course, the gop managed to call everyone who questioned the results, a "conspiracy theorist," and shut down any sort of investigation. Because everyone knows that our elections are secure and infallible.

I'm not talking about disenfranchised voters, or the Wikileaks release. I'm referring to the fact Clinton was so obviously in belief that she was winning, until all of a sudden she lost, and went quietly into the night. Seems to me that with all the talk about the Russian hacking, everybody is still acting as if the election itself was above board.

And what happened to DU on election afternoon, JUST as the polls were about to close? Did some conservative hacker manage to bring down this whole site for a week, or was it more than that? Were the Russians involved? I don't recall Skinner or anyone here releasing any information, except to say the site was hacked. One would think that it warrants notifying the authorities(not that they would do anything about it). So is the site NOW secure? No chance of that happening again? Or should we just wait for the next shutdown in 11/2020?

If this Electronic Voting Bullshit continues, I see myself not bothering to vote, because what point is there when the outcome has already been decided, and the whole game is just a big fundraising campaign for the parties.

You really should just kill yourself now. It will save you worrying about this after Trumps victory in the next election.

Star Member LaydeeBug (9,982 posts)
1. YAS! And they will continue to do it. nt

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (20,942 posts)
2. They baited us and our naive spokespeople said hell no..the vote not hacked. Played right into their slimy hands. Proper answer "we do not know."

Hayduke Bomgarte (1,255 posts)
4. With all the noise drumpf made during the campaign, About the election being rigged for HRC and with what has come to light since, I am convinced it was rigged and that drumpf knew it the whole time.

Star Member LenaBaby61 (1,951 posts)
43. "The fix was in."

Agree with the rigging part.

Also, I stand by MY assertion that we STILL don't know all of HOW the ruskies interfered in our elections. Did they hack databases? Were they in on Dems being taken off of voting rolls in "key" states? We know thuglicans lead a massive voter purges and voter-crosschecks of Dems in the various states that the treasonous pig needed to win to be installed into the White House: Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, North Carolina. AND I stand by my assertions that Florida and Ohio have STAYED interfered with concerning Dems since 2000 and 2004 respectfully. There are SO many people out there like the Southern Poverty Law Center and various other organizations sounding the alarm NOW about how our voting apparatus is extremely hackable and can be easily compromised. tRumputin has gotten rid of the laws which maintain our voting machines, and per Cliff Watts, the ruskies are STILL meddling in our affairs.

What's scary is that under THIS crooked DOJ lead by beauguard as it's AG, do you even THINK thuglicans will slow down with their voter-suppression efforts vs Dems? Do you think the ruskies will lay off of us? Hell, tRumputin may be telling them via back channel to get their "shit and dirty tricks" etc. ready for 2018. beauguard is as ruskie-loving as tRumputin is, and he doesn't want Dems, minorities etc to vote. We know Scott Walker in WI. has been behind Dem voter-suppression efforts. thuglicans are drunk with power, only care about party over country, and we KNOW they'll be drunk on voter-suppression STEROIDS in 2018 and 2020, especially since they're close to having enough state houses to change the Constitution like the Koch Brothers want it changed. HOW in hell do we combat that with NO ONE in this tRumputin DOJ to look out for us? Yes, we've won some rulings IE: In NC where the Supreme Court ruled in Minorities favors (Clarence Thomas believed there was racism in NC, and voted with the majority :wow citing that racism played a part in voter-suppression there, but as we know there will be a few tough voter-related decisions that may come before 2018 where Dems are ham-strung by a 5-4 thuglican Court ruling for vote-suppressors.

I've no doubt that Dems are mad as HELL , and have the will to vote against thuglicans, tRumpDON'Tcare, tRumputin's fat, nasty treasonous ass, against putin and the ruskies--a whole host of issues. However, even if we mobilize and get out the vote, use a 50 state strategy and launch candidates who are on message and on point (Not always how Dems roll :laughing), what if our votes once again are purged, voter-suppressed, crosschecked or "zapped" off of Dem voting rolls? What if the ruskies have another different strategy the next time around to "get rid" of Dem votes? What about Dem voting bases?

WHAT are Dems to do concerning and about voter-suppression under a tRumputin DOJ?

furtheradu (940 posts)
9. heck, YEAH!

It was ALL Hillary, till, suddenly, towards the end,
She LOST.
I believe this is the 3rd election that was illegally turned :
w, KERRY, HRC.
& if WE can't fix this, I see NO reason to live here, OR VOTE.

TheDebbieDee (10,010 posts)
23. I also believe the Russians have been meddling with our elections since 2000 as well...

I also believe that Russian TROLLS have been posting here in DU since the 2008 Dem Primaries (it was a really ugly time to be here on DU no matter which candidate you were supporting) and perhaps as early as the 2004 Dem Primaries...

Star Member onecaliberal (8,795 posts)
12. Yes, it was. We have to jail everyone involved to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Star Member onecaliberal (8,795 posts)
61. McConnell and Ryan were told in August and did nothing, Nunez was clearly involved in cover up.

The president clearly tried to obstruct justice. When Comey testified there in fact was an investigation, trump took steps to try to stop it. These people took an oath to the constitution to protect from all enemies foreign and domestic. They're all guilty. He invited Russians into our ****ing Oval Office and released code word secrets to them with only Russian media present while barring American press. It's time to remove this dangerous maggot from the people house high crimes and misdemeanors or whatever the congress says it is. Republicans impeached a president for lying about s blowjob. I'd say we went far beyond that long ago.

Star Member jimlup (5,569 posts)
15. I suspect that it was

there are various avenues for hacks. If I were US intelligence, I would be looking VERY CAREFULLY at this. The machines are not as "secure" as they want us to believe. And all of the security assumes no insiders with Russian "sympathies."

I believe that the election itself was indeed hacked and perhaps at all levels. Tabulator, precinct, district, county and state. Just some key places in critical states is all that is needed. And it is randomized enough to be below the threshold of obvious detection.

Obviously, since tabulators are not "hooked to the internet" you need operators on the ground. But you don't need that many and they only need to randomize key tabulators (ones in heavy Clinton precincts rendering those districts irrelevant). Such a hack would be undetectable.

Something was very badly wrong on November 8th that much we all know. How or what exactly was wrong, I don't think we know and we may never know.

TheDebbieDee (10,010 posts)
21. I think the states that use wifi to aggregate and tabulate vote totals WERE meddled with by the Russians... I can't prove it but it's what I believe.

Star Member Sancho (6,080 posts)
22. I know the DREs flip votes

I've seen it here in Fl

aeromanKC (58 posts)
25. I'll go to my grave believing that Shrub rigged the voting machines in 2004

DEIBOLD paperless easily hackable software machines in Ohio.

Jack Bone (2,002 posts)
27. I believe it was

I can't recall which program it was on The Progressive Talk Radio network, The Bradcast or The David Packman Show... but during the recounts they found tabulators in WI that should've only had two authorized operators, 1 DNC and 1 RNC, but these had 4...and those tabulators had phone number accessed by known Russian hackers on election night.... haven't heard a peep about it since though....

Star Member notdarkyet (568 posts)
28. I always thought Ohio was stolen in 2004. Kerry was winning in the exit polls and bush

Flew in at the eleventh hour to meet with Secretary of State? In charge of elections Michael Steele who was made recently chair after the election. I think ossoff had this last election stolen from him. .4%?

Star Member Dan (937 posts)
34. My thoughts....

I thought on election night that the voting systems had been hacked and the votes changed.

There had been some new accounts that indicated that certain election officials had their account information 'borrowed' . But the articles that I read seemed to state that this would not have impacted the voting. I always thought that was a misunderstanding of how computers/servers worked.

If I had a supervisor (management) computer account and access - then based on their access rights and permissions, it would determine what level of access I would have to the election system, tabulation application (also a factor of what type of database system) - without concern to the balloting component. If the account had permissions - then between the reports (election counts) provided and the next tabulation counts added - a person could in theory change the existing tabulation results. The report is out (counts are provided several times over the course of the day) and each count builds on the results. So, if the existing count totals are changed - the next tabulation results builds on what is already known and assumed is accurate. But if the previous results had been changed, the new tabulation hides the older results changes...because by definition you don't know the new tabulation values or how it is allocated... Plus of course, for each vote changed for someone - it cost the losing person two votes....

I hope that makes sense.. anyway, my opinion.

58Sunliner (223 posts)
39. I have always figured that we need to beat them by more than 10% to account for fraud.

It is simple enough in terms of numbers. They don't have to hack all states, just enough to throw it. They don't have to hack a whole state, just the important areas. Dade County FL.

[DLR Pyro]

I'll go to my grave believing that Shrub rigged the voting machines in 2004,

With how you DUmmies would go on nonstop about how stupid W was, how he was an idiot son, how he was a moron, you still think he was smart enough to rig the 2004 election and outsmart all you guys who proclaim to be the smartest peoples on the interwebz.

[franksolich]

Of course the election was rigged.

Usually by big-city machine bosses who did their damnedest to create votes for Messalina Agrippina out of thin air.

They did in fact create a lot, but not quite enough.  They should've tried harder.

[Undies]

I stood in awe as Trump and his team rigged up those mirrors to make it look like thousands of people were attending his rallies -- and how they paid off the networks to cut-n-paste empty scenery in place of the mega-huge audiences HRC was drawing to her stadium rallies.  Genius.  Pure genius.

[hillneck]

furtheradu (940 posts)
9. heck, YEAH!
 I see NO reason to live here, OR VOTE.

Stupid ass DUmmie, at any time please feel free to leave and NEVER come back.   

[thundley4]

Of course the election was rigged.

Usually by big-city machine bosses who did their damnedest to create votes for Messalina Agrippina out of thin air.

They did in fact create a lot, but not quite enough.  They should've tried harder.

Like Hillary, the big city machine bosses thought the presidency was won by the popular vote, not the electoral college.  They spent their time and money giving Hillary huge wins in liberal places that she would have won without the fraud.

[BattleHymn]

The only rigged elections we've seen in the past 10 years were the 2008 and 2016 DNC primary.

You DUmbasses don't need to look any further than your own backyard for rampant corruption.

Accuse others of what you do.  It's a phrase you DUmbasses live, eat, and breathe by.

[jukin]

I'm sorry but I am beginning to get worried. If I have a galactic sized schadenboner for more than 8 years who should I call for assistance? My main concern is my schadenboner getting back to normal. Like a fat whale sized DUmmy that, get this alternate universe possibility, lost a few hundred pounds and had all that loose skin, what to do? How to hide the fact my schadenboner has one million more acrews of excess skin than it needs?

I figured my schadenboners natural skin elasticity would help it snap back but I think 8 years of this and the elasticity is just going to be gone. Talk about a turkey neck.

[Ptarmigan]

Star Member SoCalMusicLover (1,617 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029107806

Was The Election Actually RIGGED?

Did Russia gain access to the tabulators and switch votes? I'll go to my grave believing that Shrub rigged the voting machines in 2004, otherwise Kerry would have won that election. But of course, the gop managed to call everyone who questioned the results, a "conspiracy theorist," and shut down any sort of investigation. Because everyone knows that our elections are secure and infallible.

I'm not talking about disenfranchised voters, or the Wikileaks release. I'm referring to the fact Clinton was so obviously in belief that she was winning, until all of a sudden she lost, and went quietly into the night. Seems to me that with all the talk about the Russian hacking, everybody is still acting as if the election itself was above board.

And what happened to DU on election afternoon, JUST as the polls were about to close? Did some conservative hacker manage to bring down this whole site for a week, or was it more than that? Were the Russians involved? I don't recall Skinner or anyone here releasing any information, except to say the site was hacked. One would think that it warrants notifying the authorities(not that they would do anything about it). So is the site NOW secure? No chance of that happening again? Or should we just wait for the next shutdown in 11/2020?

If this Electronic Voting Bullshit continues, I see myself not bothering to vote, because what point is there when the outcome has already been decided, and the whole game is just a big fundraising campaign for the parties.

Get OVER IT!

[SVPete]

"SoCalMusicLover" ... somewhere there's a joke tying together his name, the band Great White, and the great white sharks that have been making people nervous at SoCal beaches, but I'm not awake enough to come up with it.

[Old n Grumpy]

Yes the election was rigged, but inspite of all your cheating and lying we still won. And Hitlery will NEVER be president.

[Delmar]

Debbie Wassermann Schultz seems pretty desperate to get her computer back from the cops.  Almost like it contains something embarrassing or incriminating.  Threatening the DC police chief.  I think she's trying to hide something.

Great video at the link of the mayonnaise headed dunce obsessively asking over and over to get her equipment back and finally resorting to a threat of consequences.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/24/wasserman-schultz-threatened-police-chief-for-gathering-evidence-on-her-it-staffers-alleged-crimes/

[Duke Nukum]

If the Russians actually fixed the election, every US Intelligence agency needs to be razed and we need to start over from scratch.

[SVPete]

If the Russians actually fixed the election, every US Intelligence agency needs to be razed and we need to start over from scratch.

Many Libs & Progs would be just fine with that, except for the "start over" part. They'd rather forgo that.

[Texacon]

Stupid ass DUmmie, at any time please feel free to leave and NEVER come back.   

Oh, those are the threads I love the most over there.  When they start REALLY looking at leaving and realize they don't meet any of the qualifications to actually move to another country because, you know, the other countries don't want freeloaders anymore than we do.

I always wish I could post on those threads and ask them why they don't just hop the fence and move in and claim their right as an illegal.

KC

[DumbAss Tanker]

Star Member SoCalMusicLover (1,617 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029107806

Was The Election Actually RIGGED?

Unquestionably, and it worked in the primaries but failed in the general election, so Trump became President in spite of it.