Supporting Clinton means you believe the country needs to move to the right

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Star Member Doctor_J (35,738 posts)

Supporting Clinton means you believe the country needs to move to the right
Supporting Sanders mean you believe the country needs to move to the left.

that's basically the choice, correct?

Hitlary will move the country right? I want some of what this idiot is smoking.
 

Star Member rhett o rick (53,994 posts)
47. Apparently you don't understand the desperate fighting going on between

The Progressive Wing and The Clinton Wing. WE ARE NOT PULLING IN THE SAME DIRECTION no matter how hard you want to believe.

Here is a partial list of what we are fighting for. What is the other side fighting for?

We are fighting for the American children, 2,500,000 homeless, 16,000,000 in poverty, 16,000,000 more living in low income homes, as well as the highest infant mortality rate of all modern countries.

We are fighting for the 4,000,000 homeless and 50,000,000 living in poverty.

We are fighting to save our family members from death and being wounded in the neocon's wars for profits.

We are fighting to save SS and Medicare that Wall Street wants to cut.

We are fighting for better health care for all Americans.

We are fighting to save our drinking water from the pollution for oil profits.

We are fighting to reduce the numbers of Americans imprisoned for profits.

We are fighting to spend our tax dollars on infrastructure in lieu of war machines that don't work.

We are fighting the Oligarchy made up of Citibank, Goldman-Sachs, Koch Bros, and all that would allow them to continue to loot the 99% of wealth and resources.

We are not on the same side.

Star Member Demsrule86 (897 posts)
128. You are fighting for no one...

if you allow a GOP to win and nominate five justices, not to mention having all three branches of government. So please, you are fighting for your idol, Bernie Sanders...I don't see how your actions benefit others at this moment.

Star Member Demsrule86 (897 posts)
149. Absolutely untrue

The Republicans are desperate for a Bernie candidacy...they know Americans will not vote for a socialist and don't understand what a Democratic socialist is. The will swiftboat Bernie into the second coming of Stalin. I have seen polls where Clinton beats Trump in a landslide. Pick your poll. However, the by how we do things in this party, Hillary has won. That's all folks. I live in Ohio and Bernie loses Ohio. This state would never vote for him. As we saw in 04, Ohio is a very important state.

[SVPete]

DU-World is one of splitting the splits off the splits off split hairs.

It's also a world of political narcissism: "I define what is correct; anything more liberal than me is lunatic; anything less liberal is right-wing."

[Patriot Guard Rider]

angrychair (2,863 posts)
60. there is a bigger picture here

People can whine and complain about this or that point but by Clinton's own admission she is a "moderate centrist". That is to the right of a significant number of Democrats and Independents. While the OP may have been bluntly stated, it is, at its core, still true.

At the end of the day, for me, it's not specifically about Sanders but the ideals he represents. It is the attack on those ideals, ideals that are central to my identity as a Democrat, that has been so disheartening.

Members of this site, in defense of their candidate, have gone way over the top. Yes, there have been personal attacks against Sanders and Clinton, that have gone to far. That, while troublesome, is not the worst component of this primary season. It was the attacks, by Clinton supporters, on what I consider core Democratic values, by overzealous supporters, in their attempts to demean, insult or counterattack a Sanders supporter or Sanders himself.
Humiliating and shaming poor and struggling people for only wanting "free stuff". The trade and trafficking in pure right-wing "free stuff" memes was the most disappointing. Making disingenuous claims about taxes and complaining that they don't want their taxes to go up to give poor and struggling people "free stuff" is not a core Democratic value.

Lastly, while many complain about sources, there has been more than once that a DUer has used anti Semitic, neo-Nazi, holocaust denying hate sites and their batshit crazy conspiracy theories, to attack a Democratic Jewish candidate on a Democratic website. The fact that we do not remove these type of OPs is disgusting and disappointing.

Free stuff is what you people are all about. Those claims about taxes are true and understated. Taxes will absolutely skyrocket, far above what rumplehair says they will. Then you people will be screaming and crying about how expensive free stuff really is.

Liberals disgust me.

[thundley4]

as well as the highest infant mortality rate of all modern countries.

I'm sick of the left using this lie. The US counts every live birth even ones that are extremely premature and have almost zero chance of surviving in the infant mortality rate. 

Most other countries don't count preemies that die, only the ones that live.

As for the homeless and the poor, those numbers have went up under Obama and his leftist policies. They would mushroom under Bernie's plan and will still go higher under Hillary.

[SVPete]

I'm sick of the left using this lie. The US counts every live birth even ones that are extremely premature and have almost zero chance of surviving in the infant mortality rate. 

Most other countries don't count preemies that die, only the ones that live.

As for the homeless and the poor, those numbers have went up under Obama and his leftist policies. They would mushroom under Bernie's plan and will still go higher under Hillary.

Yep, an apples-zucchini comparison. There are people in the US going about their daily lives who in some countries with modern medicine would not have been counted as a live birth and would have died due to not receiving medical care (and I do have some one in particular in mind, a family acquaintance, who is an example).

[Ptarmigan]

Star Member Doctor_J (35,738 posts)

Supporting Clinton means you believe the country needs to move to the right
Supporting Sanders mean you believe the country needs to move to the left.

that's basically the choice, correct?

Uh, okay. Proof?

[Ptarmigan]

I'm sick of the left using this lie. The US counts every live birth even ones that are extremely premature and have almost zero chance of surviving in the infant mortality rate. 

Most other countries don't count preemies that die, only the ones that live.

As for the homeless and the poor, those numbers have went up under Obama and his leftist policies. They would mushroom under Bernie's plan and will still go higher under Hillary.

There is also de-instituitionalizing the mentally ill. That contributed to homelessness.

[SVPete]

There is also de-instituitionalizing the mentally ill. That contributed to homelessness.

That was begun in the late 1950s, with laws passed by Congress (probably D-controlled) and signed into law by Eisenhower. So every state went through this process to a substantial degree. In CA, the "de-instituitionalizing (of) the mentally ill" began under Gov. Edmund "Pat" Brown (father of Jerry Brown), a D. It continued under Reagan, but it became a Lib/Prog cause celebre because it was the 1960s, Reagan was an R, and members of the nurses' association (don't recall if it was a union or a professional association) lost their jobs as some facilities were closed.

The rather humorous cognitive dissonance among Libs & Progs was their simultaneous condemnations of Reagan and love for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, the book and the movie. Laws were also passed in the 1960s (D-controlled Congress, Ds in the WH, except for 1960 and 1969) that made it extremely difficult to commit some one involuntarily.

But claiming, "Reagan emptied the mental hospitals!" is far easier than delving into the history and learning what actually happened.

[98ZJUSMC]

I'm sick of the left using this lie. The US counts every live birth even ones that are extremely premature and have almost zero chance of surviving in the infant mortality rate. 

Most other countries don't count preemies that die, only the ones that live.

As for the homeless and the poor, those numbers have went up under Obama and his leftist policies. They would mushroom under Bernie's plan and will still go higher under Hillary.

 

[Ptarmigan]

That was begun in the late 1950s, with laws passed by Congress (probably D-controlled) and signed into law by Eisenhower. So every state went through this process to a substantial degree. In CA, the "de-instituitionalizing (of) the mentally ill" began under Gov. Edmund "Pat" Brown (father of Jerry Brown), a D. It continued under Reagan, but it became a Lib/Prog cause celebre because it was the 1960s, Reagan was an R, and members of the nurses' association (don't recall if it was a union or a professional association) lost their jobs as some facilities were closed.

The rather humorous cognitive dissonance among Libs & Progs was their simultaneous condemnations of Reagan and love for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, the book and the movie. Laws were also passed in the 1960s (D-controlled Congress, Ds in the WH, except for 1960 and 1969) that made it extremely difficult to commit some one involuntarily.

But claiming, "Reagan emptied the mental hospitals!" is far easier than delving into the history and learning what actually happened.

It started in 1955.

84th Congress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/84th_United_States_Congress

It was Democrat controlled.