Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Control'

[Carl]

This would have gotten 200 replies a week ago.
Lazy DUmbfuks.

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 12:05 PM

Star Member aikoaiko (22,981 posts)

Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Control'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/needed-domestic-disarmame_b_8739712.html

Advocates of gun control frequently cite the much lower levels of gun violence in other developed nations -- such as Canada and the UK -- in support of the measures they promote. However, these very low levels of gun violence have not been achieved by gun control but -- by domestic disarmament.

Most people have no guns in these fully democratic nations and have no way of getting them, legally or otherwise. It is hence at best naïve, sometimes disingenuous, to imply that if several gun control measure would be enacted -- and somehow enforced -- the U.S. would gain what these other nations take for granted. (By the way, Black Lives Matters may wish to take note: In these blessed nations most cops, most of the time, have no guns either.)

Given that even micro gun control measures will be effectively blocked by the NRA and its allies, and that promoting mini measures as potentially effective is misleading, progressives may as well go for the big enchilada: Call for domestic disarmament.

Domestic Disarmament!!!111!!!!!!

Response to aikoaiko (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 01:49 PM

beevul (10,451 posts)
2. Nobody wants to take anyones guns.

Response to beevul (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 01:57 PM

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
3. I'm proud to say it, Beevul.

I want to take your guns.

I've given some thought, I think legal change is unrealistic. We need social change.

I mean, let's be honest...guns are for assholes. We can and should make gun-ownership a pariah act--whether it remains legal or not. It's worked so well for smoking. Only assholes would own a gun. Only the National Rifle Assholes would advocate against sensible gun policy.

Guns: it's assholes all the way down.

You will die early,that is the reality you mooks pretend does not exist.

Response to Chan790 (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:08 PM

MohRokTah (10,829 posts)
5. The only pariahs are the grabbers.

It'll stay that way, too.

The more you tell people they have to give up something they have, the more they will fight you and convince othre people to join them.

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:20 PM

Gormy Cuss (30,515 posts)
7. Nah, gun humpers are pariahs too.

The rest of us just want the country to move forward, away from this insane interpretation of 2A as "no restrictions on ownership." IMHO the issue isn't how many or which weapons one owns, it's how they're used or intended for use. What we need is a change in gun culture, say back to the mid-20th century when most people had guns for sport rather than for self-protection against "those people."

Response to Chan790 (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:10 PM

clarice (3,453 posts)
6. Until your house gets robbed....who ya gonna call? nt

Response to clarice (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:32 PM

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
9. The police.

File a report. Wait for the insurance check to arrive. It's only stuff.

Oh you mean if I catch him in my house? The police. I have a safe room.

Oh...you mean if my life is in danger? The police. I'm going to need to file a report after I kill him with my bear hands. (That's a pun, not a typo. I'm ****ing huge, jacked and scary. The Incredible Hulk has nothing on pissed-off me.) Also, I own a crossbow. Advantage in a small space? Me. 9" bolts with barbed mechanical broadheads do a ****-load more damage than anything smaller than a 50-cal. and are mostly silent. It's just a shitty choice to shoot up a Christmas party with because the reload time between shots is ~6s.

This will be you

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:08 PM

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
13. If the intruder is armed...I'm hiding in the safe room unless I have no choice.

Why? Because I am not a *******ed idiot. But if I am compelled to confront them by necessity or circumstance, they're going to be getting more than they bargain for because I'm not going down without a fight, not-immediately-fatal bullet-wound or not.

 

Boring.

[thundley4]

(By the way, Black Lives Matters may wish to take note: In these blessed nations most cops, most of the time, have no guns either.)

You may wish to consider that most of those countries have fewer minorities than DU has.

[freedumb2003b]

Response to clarice (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:32 PM

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
9. The police.

File a report. Wait for the insurance check to arrive. It's only stuff.

Oh you mean if I catch him in my house? The police. I have a safe room.

Oh...you mean if my life is in danger? The police. I'm going to need to file a report after I kill him with my bear hands. (That's a pun, not a typo. I'm ****ing huge, jacked and scary. The Incredible Hulk has nothing on pissed-off me.) Also, I own a crossbow. Advantage in a small space? Me. 9" bolts with barbed mechanical broadheads do a ****-load more damage than anything smaller than a 50-cal. and are mostly silent. It's just a shitty choice to shoot up a Christmas party with because the reload time between shots is ~6s.

In a small space, advantage: real gun.  Your supposed size (yeah, we believe you) and complicated, clumsy medieval toy will fall to even a .22 in  under a second.  Bang!  you're dead.

 

[Patriot Guard Rider]

In a small space, advantage: real gun.  Your supposed size (yeah, we believe you) and complicated, clumsy medieval toy will fall to even a .22 in  under a second.  Bang!  you're dead.

If a*shole wants my guns, I'll give it my home address PROVIDED he/she/it shows up alone, no LEO backup, no friends, no nothing, knocks on my door and says hand them over.

Wanna bet how that would work out?

[Ogre]

What a DUmbass, the Dummy doesn't own a weapon and has no apparent practical experience employing one.

Yet, s/he/it feels qualified to not only participate in a discussion on the subject of weapons, s/he/it knows the best possible solution to a home invasion.

This right here is a prime example of the Nad's effect (just made that up).

The Nad's effect is when one who does not have any theoretical, practical, or academic knowledge or understanding of the problem asserts that their solution to said problem is the best possible.

And the DUmmies wonder why we don't take their advice.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Response to clarice (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:32 PM

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
9. The police.

File a report. Wait for the insurance check to arrive. It's only stuff.

Oh you mean if I catch him in my house? The police. I have a safe room.

Oh...you mean if my life is in danger? The police. I'm going to need to file a report after I kill him with my bear hands. (That's a pun, not a typo. I'm ****ing huge, jacked and scary. The Incredible Hulk has nothing on pissed-off me.) Also, I own a crossbow. Advantage in a small space? Me. 9" bolts with barbed mechanical broadheads do a ****-load more damage than anything smaller than a 50-cal. and are mostly silent. It's just a shitty choice to shoot up a Christmas party with because the reload time between shots is ~6s.

I see someone has never actually tried to do use a crossbow in a confined space, and has no concept of the mechanisms of mortality in an arrow wound vs. a bullet wound or knife attack.

[Chris_]

Chan790 must have bounced back from that devastating job loss a few years ago.

http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=63258

[Tess Anderson]

Chan790 must have bounced back from that devastating job loss a few years ago.

http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=63258

Not really, asshole appears to have left the banking industry altogether.

[98ZJUSMC]

You may wish to consider that most of those countries have fewer minorities than DU has.

Just mention "Switzerland"; and watch them go all stupid in front of your very eyes.  Chuckle, as you inform them that the Euros don't include suicides and the Marxists here, do.  Stare in amazement, as they attempt to process that; removing LA, Chicago. New Orleans and New York from the US stats, lowers us to the 4th LEAST violent nation in the developed world.  Tutor the little infants in the fact that; since their sheep-like confiscation, Australia's violent crime rate has actually increased.

Any more, lurking Romper Roomers or, have you had enough?   

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
9. The police.

File a report. Wait for the insurance check to arrive. It's only stuff.

Oh you mean if I catch him in my house? The police. I have a safe room.   

Oh...you mean if my life is in danger? The police. I'm going to need to file a report after I kill him with my bear hands. (That's a pun, not a typo. I'm ****ing huge, jacked and scary. The Incredible Hulk has nothing on pissed-off me.) Also, I own a crossbow. Advantage in a small space? Me. 9" bolts with barbed mechanical broadheads do a ****-load more damage than anything smaller than a 50-cal. you're an idiot and are mostly silent. It's just a shitty choice to shoot up a Christmas party with because the reload time between shots is ~6s.

Ummm, no.  There is a reason why crossbows; yes, I know, you have the pistol-type, are not used in house-to-house (MOUT) operations, dickhead.

[txradioguy]

Lets change a couple things in this post and play what if.

What if instead of guns we took...

Response to beevul (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 01:57 PM

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
3. I'm proud to say it, Beevul.

I want to take your guns welfare check.

I've given some thought, I think legal change is unrealistic. We need social change.

I mean, let's be honest...guns Food Stamps, TANIF, Section 8 Housing are for assholes. We can and should make gun-ownership welfare use a pariah act--whether it remains legal or not. It's worked so well for smoking. Only assholes would own a gun an EBT card. Only the National Rifle DNC Assholes would advocate against sensible gun monetary policy.

Guns Welfare: it's assholes all the way down.

Change guns to welfare and these ignorant pricks would suddenly cry to the high heavens about how the tyranny of the few was  trampling rights of the majority.

[txradioguy]

Response to clarice (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:32 PM

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
9. The police.

File a report. Wait for the insurance check to arrive. It's only stuff.

It's my stuff I paid for it.  I'll be dammed if I'm going to just let someone take it.  You better hope that you actually spent the money on your homeowners policy to pay the replacement costs and not just cover the value of the item. (I think I said that right).  Given the fact you're a DUmmie I doubt you opted for the extra expense.  On and BTW...depreciation on the value of your items is a real bitch.

Oh you mean if I catch him in my house? The police. I have a safe room.

*****.

Oh...you mean if my life is in danger? The police. I'm going to need to file a report after I kill him with my bear hands. (That's a pun, not a typo. I'm ****ing huge, jacked and scary. The Incredible Hulk has nothing on pissed-off me.)

Yeah right.  Sure you are.   If you're that big and ****ing scary why are you going to piss your pants...scream like a school girl and go to a safe room?

Also, I own a crossbow. Advantage in a small space? Me. 9" bolts with barbed mechanical broadheads do a ****-load more damage than anything smaller than a 50-cal. and are mostly silent. It's just a shitty choice to shoot up a Christmas party with because the reload time between shots is ~6s.

You've been reading too many Dungeons and Dragons graphic novels.  I bet a thug gang banger breaking into your house trying to find $100 worth of shit to pawn for meth or a crack rock can put 5 shots into you from his illegally purchased .380 pistol before you get half way to your crossbow or your safe room.

[RayRaytheSBS]

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
9. The police.

File a report. Wait for the insurance check to arrive. It's only stuff.

Oh you mean if I catch him in my house? The police. I have a safe room.   

Oh...you mean if my life is in danger? The police. I'm going to need to file a report after I kill him with my bear hands. (That's a pun, not a typo. I'm ****ing huge, jacked and scary. The Incredible Hulk has nothing on pissed-off me.) Also, I own a crossbow. Advantage in a small space? Me. 9" bolts with barbed mechanical broadheads do a ****-load more damage than anything smaller than a 50-cal. you're an idiot and are mostly silent. It's just a shitty choice to shoot up a Christmas party with because the reload time between shots is ~6s.

A crossbow?... For home defense?... All I can say is, I hope you practice with it in your home on a regular basis so that you are proficient with it and can use it responsibly. 

It's also obvious to me that you don't use projectile weapons on a regular basis. I've seen people miss an E-type target (19.5"x40") at 5 meters with a pistol. A crossbow would be worse, as its trigger weight is generally heavier than a double action pistol.

Finally,  so you shoot with the crossbow, jerk the trigger because you HAVEN'T trained with it, and miss. NOW, you are REALLY @#$%ED, as you just shot at the criminal WITH A GUN... and MISSED. All he has to do is squeeze his trigger, you have to redraw your crossbow, which takes valuable seconds, in which time you die.

The sheer ignorance of this post astounds me.

[txradioguy]

A crossbow?... For home defense?... All I can say is, I hope you practice with it in your home on a regular basis so that you are proficient with it and can use it responsibly. 

It's also obvious to me that you don't use projectile weapons on a regular basis. I've seen people miss an E-type target (19.5"x40") at 5 meters with a pistol. A crossbow would be worse, as its trigger weight is generally heavier than a double action pistol.

Finally,  so you shoot with the crossbow, jerk the trigger because you HAVEN'T trained with it, and miss. NOW, you are REALLY @#$%ED, as you just shot at the criminal WITH A GUN... and MISSED. All he has to do is squeeze his trigger, you have to redraw your crossbow, which takes valuable seconds, in which time you die.

The sheer ignorance of this post astounds me.

My guess is this idiot bought it as a souvenir at a RenFair and it now doubles as his "home defense weapon".

But considering this mental midget says he won't even put up a fight if someone invades his home...that he'll just hide in his "safe" room...and probably sucking his thumb and clutching his wooby at the same time...why does he even need a crossbow?

[franksolich]

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
9. The police.

File a report. Wait for the insurance check to arrive. It's only stuff.

Oh you mean if I catch him in my house? The police. I have a safe room.   

Oh...you mean if my life is in danger? The police. I'm going to need to file a report after I kill him with my bear hands. (That's a pun, not a typo. I'm ****ing huge, jacked and scary. The Incredible Hulk has nothing on pissed-off me.) Also, I own a crossbow. Advantage in a small space? Me. 9" bolts with barbed mechanical broadheads do a ****-load more damage than anything smaller than a 50-cal. you're an idiot and are mostly silent. It's just a shitty choice to shoot up a Christmas party with because the reload time between shots is ~6s.

comment 3029:
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=81827.3025

[Big Dog]

comment 3029:
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=81827.3025

The Carol Channing primitive has never heard of "truth in advertising", has he?

[franksolich]

The Carol Channing primitive has never heard of "truth in advertising", has he?

Uh huh.

With a name like that, I had no idea he'd look so.....Italianate.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Arrows, and bolts from a crossbow that can be cocked without a windlass or crank, won't stop a human in his tracks unless you score one right into the heart, aorta, or inner half of the eye socket.  Anywhere else and even a mortally-wounded attacker will still close and turn you into chum bucket fill long before internal bleeding saps his life force.

The pistol crossbows are strictly toys.  It's *possible* to inflict a mortal wound with one, but ridiculously unlikely.  And using a bow or a crossbow on a rapidly-closing short range target is something that ain't gonna go well unless you actually have practiced it a LOT or you really are an Elf archer.  Pretty good chance the unpracticed will just shake the bolt off the firing tray in simply yanking it into alignment with the target. 

[BlueStateSaint]

DAT, I think that the general gist of Ol' Slow Joe Biden's advice would be much better . . .


"Get a shotgun."

[Skul]

The Channumbers primitive is no doubt aa catcher.

[RayRaytheSBS]

I love how the DUches think criminals go down in one shot and are dead, regardless of where they are hit(vital zone vs. non-vital zone hit) like they see in the movies and TV. News flash DUche, hydraulic decompression (bleeding out) takes 30 seconds to minutes to occur.  In which time, your crimina has put MULTIPLE BULLETS IN YOU, thus ensuring your death and removal from the gene pool. 

[txradioguy]

I love how the DUches think criminals go down in one shot and are dead, regardless of where they are hit(vital zone vs. non-vital zone hit) like they see in the movies and TV. News flash DUche, hydraulic decompression (bleeding out) takes 30 seconds to minutes to occur.  In which time, your crimina has put MULTIPLE BULLETS IN YOU, thus ensuring your death and removal from the gene pool.

Depending on what drug they are on they might not stop coming at you no matter how many rounds you fire.

I seem to recall something in the AAR's from Operation Mountain Lion where in some of the fire fights 9mm pistols were used on the attackers and they didn't drop until the 15th round from the mag had been discharged.  They were so high on Khat they didn't stop.

[hillneck]

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
9. I'm ****ing huge, jacked and scary. The Incredible Hulk has nothing on pissed-off me.

But you have a safe room.  If you're supposedly sooo bad to the bad then why would you need a safe room.     

[67 Rover]

But you have a safe room.  If you're supposedly sooo bad to the bad then why would you need a safe room.     

It also doubles as his Ken doll collection room.

[wasp69]

Response to clarice (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:32 PM

Chan790 (18,610 posts)
9. The police.

File a report. Wait for the insurance check to arrive. It's only stuff.

Apparently you didn't have to work for your "stuff", otherwise you wouldn't be so cavalier in your suggestion that the rest of us surrender our "stuff" to anyone that wants it.

Incidentally, DUmbass, the theft of "stuff" is only one part of what a criminal will take when you cower in the corner.

Oh you mean if I catch him in my house? The police. I have a safe room.

Oh, sit in a corner and suck your thumb while your home is violated?  Typical liberal response...   

Any wonder why liberals are to never be trusted in matters of security?  Look no further than this shrinking violet.

Oh...you mean if my life is in danger? The police. I'm going to need to file a report after I kill him with my bear hands.

You are?  Interesting...  Just a few lines ago, you were talking about hiding in your "safe room", now you're going to convince us you're some kind of super badass that should be registered as a lethal weapon?

 

I'm ****ing huge, jacked and scary. The Incredible Hulk has nothing on pissed-off me.

No, sugar, you're not.  You're bald, fat, and you look like you couldn't beat your own meat.

Also, I own a crossbow. Advantage in a small space? Me.

Unless you're Joffrey Baratheon, shooting a tied up whore, your toy isn't going to do shit except piss off the crackhead that decided to relieve you of your "stuff".

9" bolts with barbed mechanical broadheads do a ****-load more damage than anything smaller than a 50-cal.

Actually, DUmbass, a simple look at ballistics will tell you that they don't.

A 230 grain Federal Hydra Shok .45 ACP round (my favorite self defense load) has a weight of 0.52 ounces and a muzzle velocity of 1060 feet per second (fps) which will yield 412 foot pounds of kinetic energy at the muzzle and 377 foot pounds at 25 yards.  Considering a bad guy is going to be less than 20 feet from you at any time you confront them in your home, deferring to the larger number (muzzle) would be best.

Conversely, a bow shooting a 400 grain arrow with a 100 grain broadhead at 250 fps will yield 69.4 foot pounds of kinetic energy.

Now, stupid, I want you to pay close attention to what I'm getting ready to say next:  In a very tense situation where you have to pull a trigger to save your life, over 400 foot pounds of force is not only going to make an extremely ugly wound channel, but the bad guy will get knocked on his ass.  Your crossbow isn't going to give the same performance (assuming you get a shot off and it hits the target).

The rounds I use are man-stoppers in all sense of the word.  Yours sounds cool, but won't deliver when you need it most - very quickly, and at close range.

It's just a shitty choice to shoot up a Christmas party with because the reload time between shots is ~6s.

Only a DUmbass would even consider shooting up a ****ing Christmas party.   

[Big Dog]

News flash DUche, hydraulic decompression (bleeding out) takes 30 seconds to minutes to occur.  In which time, your crimina has put MULTIPLE BULLETS IN YOU, thus ensuring your death and removal from the gene pool.

You said that like its a bad thing.