I had to put my bullshit waders on this morning!

[Ken8521]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027418898

I had to put my bullshit waders on this morning!
By airwing24
Saturday Dec 05, 2015 6:35 AM PST


I had to put on my new bullshit waders before opening Facebook this morning, and good thing! The crap that came spewing out at me about what happened 45 minutes from my doorstep in San Bernadino was just a river of fear, innuendo, and just outright misconception. And then there is the outright lies they actually believe because Fox Spews, the NRA, and other pundits have repeated them so many times they have been sucked down in the manure and luxuriate in it! I am a Nam vet, two tours, I own a dirty Harry style magnum Smith and Wesson, I own a coach side by side 12 gauge, I own a long rifle, a target pistol, and so forth. No one, I repeat, no one wants any of them and they were all registered and purchased legally. I do not need an assault rifle added to my arsenal to protect myself, or thirty rounds jammed in my weapon. I can fill out a comprehensive background check, all they will find is a former Sgt. U.S.M.C., with a final secret clearance under his belt, no wants, no warrants, not even a traffic ticket. I am not living in fear that my government is secretly at war with me and that I am going to have to fight them off at any moment. I really am not under any misguided misconception that my guns will do me any good if my government did come after me. It would be like bringing a damn slingshot to a guided missile dual. Get over it, and the next time you want to call me names, show up on my doorstep to do it, I will show you what a pissed of rainbow liberal looks like just before the pain begins to register! Oh, and one last thing, all this misplaced rhetoric about your President, your distrust of government, your guns, and your readiness to wage war is exactly what ISIS and others want, so way to support terrorism guys! 

Ok, so the thread descends into typical anti-gun liberal rhetoric.. but this comment just completely floored me...

Star Member Plucketeer (9,131 posts)
15. That might be nice

but mine's a cheapie - like me. I only bought it because we have so many stray dogs - stray NEIGHBOR'S dogs - that harass our chickens. I pop 'em in the can and now most of them don't bother the coops anymore.

Had a .22 rifle years ago. Needed money worse than I needed it. Had an M-16 in Nam, but only ever shot it on the qualifying range.

If it gets to the "bad guys" coming after us here in the countryside, I only ask that they dispatch me with the first round fired.

Are you serious?  You'd rather be killed first, rather than defend yourself?  What's that quote... "I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees"..

Some people just amaze me.

[txradioguy]

First poster sounds very dubious claiming to be a former Marine in one breath an in the next claiming his guns won't do him any good in the event the government tries to illegally size them.

Second poster blatantly admits to animal cruelty and possibly a felony depending  on the state by admitting to shooting those dogs.

Hey moron...the reason they don't bother you anymore after you shoot them is because they are DEAD. 

[Carl]

I own a dirty Harry style magnum Smith and Wesson, I own a coach side by side 12 gauge, I own a long rifle,

Which is exactly how no gun owner would ever describe what they had.

[Ken8521]

Which is exactly how no gun owner would ever describe what they had.

That's exactly what I thought... but he may be trying to "appeal to the masses" on DU.... but I'd agree.. the OP is no gun owner, or if he is a gun owner, he's better off not owning one.

[Carl]

That's exactly what I thought... but he may be trying to "appeal to the masses" on DU.... but I'd agree.. the OP is no gun owner, or if he is a gun owner, he's better off not owning one.

Kind of like drunken Pitts Cowboy outfit when he went to Texas to meet the ditch witch.
These dolts live inside the stereotypes they create in their minds.

[miskie]

First poster sounds very dubious claiming to be a former Marine in one breath an in the next claiming his guns won't do him any good in the event the government tries to illegally size them.

Second poster blatantly admits to animal cruelty and possibly a felony depending  on the state by admitting to shooting those dogs.

Hey moron...the reason they don't bother you anymore after you shoot them is because they are DEAD.

Well, to be fair, the 2nd poster seems to be referring to a BB Gun. ( A Daisy Red Ryder knockoff ) - but still - shooting dogs with BBs probably falls under the heading of animal cruelty.

[SVPete]

... a coach side by side 12 gauge ...

I know what a double-barrel 12 gauge shotgun is, having owned and used one. If this isn't a poser, but is using real gun jargon, can some one decipher this for me?

I'm guessing "coach" refers to the weapon supposedly used on Wells Fargo stagecoaches, as in "riding shotgun". I'm not sufficiently up on that aspect of history to know whether that was actually done, or was Hollywood movie-westerns fiction.

This dude's whole post sounds like a badly over-done blustery poser's .

[Patriot Guard Rider]

I know what a double-barrel 12 gauge shotgun is, having owned and used one. If this isn't a poser, but is using real gun jargon, can some one decipher this for me?

I'm guessing "coach" refers to the weapon supposedly used on Wells Fargo stagecoaches, as in "riding shotgun". I'm not sufficiently up on that aspect of history to know whether that was actually done, or was Hollywood movie-westerns fiction.

This dude's whole post sounds like a badly over-done blustery poser's .

I googled it and came up with this:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/70780

[Big Dog]

I know what a double-barrel 12 gauge shotgun is, having owned and used one. If this isn't a poser, but is using real gun jargon, can some one decipher this for me?

I'm guessing "coach" refers to the weapon supposedly used on Wells Fargo stagecoaches, as in "riding shotgun". I'm not sufficiently up on that aspect of history to know whether that was actually done, or was Hollywood movie-westerns fiction.

This dude's whole post sounds like a badly over-done blustery poser's .

The "dirty Harry" bit made me laugh. If the DUmmy actually owns a Model 29, I'll eat my hat.

You are correct, a 'coach gun' is a double barrel shotgun with a shorter barrel and open or modified cylinder choke, which was carried by stagecoach crews, saloon keepers, and such. They are used in Cowboy Action Shooting/SASS competition.

[Skul]

I have to wonder if the shootist knows which end goes forward? 

[Patriot Guard Rider]

I have to wonder if the shootist knows which end goes forward? 

The Shootist. The Duke's last movie.

[DLR Pyro]

If it gets to the "bad guys" coming after us here in the countryside, I only ask that they dispatch me with the first round fired.

This is the message obama is sending to the terrorists which is why they are emboldened to acts like what happened in San Bernardino. 

[SVPete]

Thanks, guys.

PGR, from a couple of reviews, that shotgun sounds like an unreliable, poorly manufactured POS. I wonder if a24 went a-Googling for jargon, found that thing, and didn't read any user reviews.

BD, sounds like the sort of shotgun one might use for close-quarters self-defense - wide pattern that hits many would-be attackers, probably none fatlly, but injuring sufficiently to give the one attacked the upper hand. But usability in such a situation is critical: a well-made double-barrel is heavy; after two shots it's reloading time (not fast, even if shells are close at hand). A 5-shot or 7-shot pump-action shotgun with the appropriate barrel length and choke would seem a better choice.

I think a former Marine would know such things (a lot better than I do!) and have chosen a better home protection weapon.

[Big Dog]

Thanks, guys.

PGR, from a couple of reviews, that shotgun sounds like an unreliable, poorly manufactured POS. I wonder if a24 went a-Googling for jargon, found that thing, and didn't read any user reviews.

BD, sounds like the sort of shotgun one might use for close-quarters self-defense - wide pattern that hits many would-be attackers, probably none fatlly, but injuring sufficiently to give the one attacked the upper hand. But usability in such a situation is critical: a well-made double-barrel is heavy; after two shots it's reloading time (not fast, even if shells are close at hand). A 5-shot or 7-shot pump-action shotgun with the appropriate barrel length and choke would seem a better choice.

I think a former Marine would know such things (a lot better than I do!) and have chosen a better home protection weapon.

The coach gun is plenty lethal. Think of a 2 shot riot gun.

I had a Stoeger coach gun that I bought for SASS. One barrel is Cylinder (open) choke, and one is Modified. At 10 yards, the open choke will keep all 9 pellets of 00 buckshot inside a 24 inch circle. The buckshot will penetrate 12-18 inches.

Speaking of pump shotguns, my bedroom gun is an old-school  Remington 870 riot gun with 5 rounds of 00 buck.

[SVPete]

The coach gun is plenty lethal. Think of a 2 shot riot gun.

I had a Stoeger coach gun that I bought for SASS. One barrel is Cylinder (open) choke, and one is Modified. At 10 yards, the open choke will keep all 9 pellets of 00 buckshot inside a 24 inch circle. The buckshot will penetrate 12-18 inches.

Speaking of pump shotguns, my bedroom gun is an old-school  Remington 870 riot gun with 5 rounds of 00 buck.

No doubt. My main thought was utility - it's better to have unused shells ready after only having to shoot twice than to shoot twice and have reinforcement enter while reloading the double barrel.

I know, hypothetical, but it's the sort of forethought that would elude a DU-poser. BTW, variants of the Remington are still being sold by Cabellas; the "home protection" variant is 7-shot. Sometimes "old school" means reliability too good to be obsoleted.

[Big Dog]

No doubt. My main thought was utility - it's better to have unused shells ready after only having to shoot twice than to shoot twice and have reinforcement enter while reloading the double barrel.

I know, hypothetical, but it's the sort of forethought that would elude a DU-poser. BTW, variants of the Remington are still being sold by Cabellas; the "home protection" variant is 7-shot. Sometimes "old school" means reliability too good to be obsoleted.

My go-to gun shop (Gypsum Valley Outdoor Sports) does a brisk business in 870s, especially the Express model.

My riot gun is truly old-school, with the small forend, standard 5 round magazine tube, and 18" riot barrel. It has never let me down.

[BlueStateSaint]

My go-to gun shop (Gypsum Valley Outdoor Sports) does a brisk business in 870s, especially the Express model.

My riot gun is truly old-school, with the small forend, standard 5 round magazine tube, and 18" riot barrel. It has never let me down.

Sounds a lot like mine.  I had to get the 18" barrel as an extra, though.

[Big Dog]

Sounds a lot like mine.  I had to get the 18" barrel as an extra, though.

Good, reliable shotguns.

[67 Rover]

I do not need an assault rifle added to my arsenal to protect myself, or thirty rounds jammed in my weapon.

Yea, former Marine right.  No clue as to what an assault rifle really is. 

"Thirty rounds jammed in my weapon"

[Chris_]

Yea, former Marine right.  No clue as to what an assault rifle really is. 

"Thirty rounds jammed in my weapon"

I don't know about you, but a "jammed" rifle doesn't sound like a very useful firearm.

[fatboy]

My go-to gun shop (Gypsum Valley Outdoor Sports) does a brisk business in 870s, especially the Express model.

My riot gun is truly old-school, with the small forend, standard 5 round magazine tube, and 18" riot barrel. It has never let me down.

The first firearm I purchased for me (as an adult) was a 870 Express. The second also. One is a 12 g the other a 20. I purchased a Monte Carlo style stock for it (the 12g) directly from Remington. This helped me when shooting trap (i know, trap with a field gun, but I was poor back then). So poor that I scrounged around in range trash cans for used hulls and reloaded them on a $40.00 Lee shotshell loader.

Have a complete set of choke tubes for both shotguns. Mrs. Fatboy has taken control of the 20g which is fine with me. I really like the 870 Express, fun on a budget.

[98ZJUSMC]

These dolts live inside the stereotypes they create in their minds.

 

Yes, they do.

[txradioguy]

I own a dirty Harry style magnum Smith and Wesson, I own a coach side by side 12 gauge, I own a long rifle, a target pistol, and so forth. No one, I repeat, no one wants any of them and they were all registered and purchased legally. I do not need an assault rifle added to my arsenal to protect myself, or thirty rounds jammed in my weapon.

Guess what asshole...need it or not...by my count you own at least THREE assault weapons.

[txradioguy]

I don't know about you, but a "jammed" rifle doesn't sound like a very useful firearm.

It's better used as a club at that point.  And he should use it to hit himself repeatedly until he gets a clue.

[SVPete]

I had to put on my new bullshit waders before opening Facebook this morning, and good thing! The crap that came spewing out at me ...

Yeah, well, all that crap came from his own anus. I guess he wanted to keep it off his own feet and legs while expelling-projecting it across the Internet.