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Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« on: June 13, 2015, 01:30:08 PM »
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Disney parks price out the middle class
Earlier myself and several others posted threads about Disney laying off workers and replacing them with those with H1B visas who will work for less. What follows shows the company's greed has no end.

When Walt Disney World opened in an Orlando swamp in 1971, with its penny arcade and marching-band parade down Main Street U.S.A., admission for an adult cost $3.50, about as much then as three gallons of milk.

Disney has raised the gate price for the Magic Kingdom 41 times since, nearly doubling it over the past decade. This year, a ticket inside the “most magical place on Earth” rocketed past $100 for the first time in history.

Ballooning costs have not slowed the mouse-eared masses flooding into the world's busiest theme park. Disney's main attraction hosted a record 19 million visitors last year, a number nearly as large as the population of New York state.

But rising prices have changed the character of Big Mouse's family-friendly empire in unavoidably glitzy ways. A visitor to Disney's central Florida fantasyland can now dine on a $115 steak, enjoy a $53-per-plate dessert party and sleep in a bungalow overlooking the Seven Seas Lagoon starting at $2,100 a night.

For America's middle-income vacationers, the Mickey Mouse club, long promoted as “made for you and me,” seems increasingly made for someone else. But far from easing back, the theme-park giant's prices are expected to climb even more through a surge-pricing system that could value a summer's day of rides and lines at $125.


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4. Have never been to Disney in all of my 67 years. Which makes you an expert, of course

(And yes, I know it hasn't been open that long, so no jumping on me for that. Okay?)

It, like Las Vegas, is for folks with particular tastes. Yes: those who enjoy having fun now and then.

I don't share those tastes. I'm sure.

I also have a huge distaste for the tactics of the Disney Corp when it comes to their policies in building parks, among other things. Also always found "Uncle Walt" to be pretty creepy. He was a business genius, but ruthless and by all accounts, mean.And he died a long time ago. Which, so what, anyway? 0bama ****s you in the ass every day but you still worship HIM.

Anyone who loves Disney is going to continue to love Disney. And will continue to contribute to their bottom line.Also called The General Nature of Things.


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25. Marketing at it's creepiest. They know exactly what they're doing ...

Middle Class won't spend the same on food and souvenirs so why cater to them? It only makes the lines longer. Better to keep the riff-raff out and attract the bigger money.

Actually, if anyone actually GOES to Disneyland, it is pretty much wide-eyed Japanese people, fat goth chicks trying to be ironic,  and LA hoodrats.


Odd how they have such strong opinions about something they don't seem to have experienced since the 70's.

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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2015, 02:02:03 PM »
Say what you will about Disney DUmbasses but Disney has done at least one good thing for humanity. They got the Star Wars franchise out of the hands of George Lucas and, judging by what I've seen in Star Wars Rebels, have it in good hands.
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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2015, 03:01:36 PM »
"When Walt Disney World opened in an Orlando swamp in 1971, with its penny arcade and marching-band parade down Main Street U.S.A., admission for an adult cost $3.50, about as much then as three gallons of milk."
1. Everything was cheaper back then.
2. In order to keep attracting more visitors and keep growing, the Disney parks opened more and more rides over the years. The construction and upkeep of those rides made the park's operating costs more and more expensive, so they had to raise ticket prices periodically to ensure the parks stayed securely in the black. Considering that the theme parks, not just Disney World but also Universal Orlando, are among the primary contributors to central Florida's economy (Not just the direct revenue from the parks themselves, but also the various Orlando businesses associated with its tourist industry that is largely centered around the parks, such as hotels, restaurants, car rental dealerships, etc.), I'd say that's reasonable.

Disney has certainly made some less- than- ethical business decisions (i.e. buying Marvel and the rights to the music from the 'Harry Potter' films largely just in order to squeeze royalties money out of Universal Orlando, the way they broke a promise they made to Robin Williams when first negotiating his contract for playing the Genie in 'Aladdin,' etc.), but they've also done a lot of good. They've provided jobs to tons of people, contributed to the economic growth of cities, and just provided quality (For the most part) family entertainment and happy memories to innumerable people all over the world.
Then again, considering that the DUmmies are mostly Communists who really care nothing about "The people" they claim to represent, and simply miserable SOBs who seek to spread their misery and unhappiness around to everyone in sight, I can see why those points wouldn't mean anything to them.
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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2015, 03:07:56 PM »
The DUmmies never seem to run out of situations they can use to cry sour grapes over.
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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2015, 04:12:12 PM »
It pisses me off that Disney charges more for their movies on DVD than any other company.  New DVD releases are often on sale for under $15, Disney new releases are rarely under $20.  Greedy bastiges.

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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2015, 04:25:00 PM »
I am middle class.

I went to Disney world for a week. Spent $2k. stayed at the Cheapest Disney Hotels for $100 a night, I only slept there. I took Disney buses for free to all the parks and had an all park pass for 5 days.

$2K went for everything including airfare. and I splurged! I went nuts!

I think the OP is really about those on the disability bandwagon aint gonna afford the place. I did not see hood rats trashing the place. I saw families having fun. If the price of admission keeps dregs of society out, then I'm all for it!

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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2015, 07:58:40 PM »
What do they think will happen with amnesty for illegals?

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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2015, 08:17:29 PM »
What do they think will happen with amnesty for illegals?

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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2015, 10:00:19 PM »
Hokay ... of apples and oranges ...

I think that $3.50 admission price may be bogus, but "back then" admission and rides were separate. You paid admission, and you paid for a book of tickets to ride the rides (and could buy more later). Ever heard the term, "E-Ticket"? E-Tickets were the tickets to get on the most popular rides, e.g. The Matterhorn. Tom Sawyer's Rafts were probably B-Tickets.

Now, admission includes unlimited rides. So the DU OPer was comparing very dissimilar things.
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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2015, 10:05:45 PM »
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But rising prices have changed the character of Big Mouse's family-friendly empire in unavoidably glitzy ways. A visitor to Disney's central Florida fantasyland can now dine on a $115 steak, enjoy a $53-per-plate dessert party and sleep in a bungalow overlooking the Seven Seas Lagoon starting at $2,100 a night.

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Dummie got me curious so I looked. Remember, Dummies lie, dummies lie all the time and this one is no exception. The only thing I found at that price is a vacation package, 7 days/6 nites, family of 4, with tickets to the park during the stay. 

Here is a list of hotels, none at $2,100.00 a nite:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/

Here is the package plan at $3,134.00:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/dolphin-hotel/rates-rooms/package-room-ticket/
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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2015, 10:30:29 PM »
Dummie got me curious so I looked. Remember, Dummies lie, dummies lie all the time and this one is no exception. The only thing I found at that price is a vacation package, 7 days/6 nites, family of 4, with tickets to the park during the stay. 

Here is a list of hotels, none at $2,100.00 a nite:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/

Here is the package plan at $3,134.00:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/dolphin-hotel/rates-rooms/package-room-ticket/



As someone who knows, let me weigh in.

A ticket to DisneyLAND is about $100. But you can bring in your own grub, and you needn't buy anything inside the park. So a family of four can get away with, realistically, $500 for one day. Yes, that's steep, but the park is really very nice.

You can stay in one of the lesser hotels within walking distance of the park for about $100 a night. They aren't that bad, but they can be cheesy.

OR, you can stay in the Grand Californian for about $400 a night, usually more. Or Paradise Pier, about the same. The Disneyland hotel is also there and runs the same but it's older and the rooms are smaller.

You can spend a lot shopping if you want. You don't have to.

In sum, $250 will get you and your girl a nice day. However, $2500 will get you an incredible day and night. Just like anywhere else.

It's just that DUmmies think they're owed entertainment.
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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2015, 10:38:15 PM »
Dummie got me curious so I looked. Remember, Dummies lie, dummies lie all the time and this one is no exception. The only thing I found at that price is a vacation package, 7 days/6 nites, family of 4, with tickets to the park during the stay. 

Here is a list of hotels, none at $2,100.00 a nite:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/

Here is the package plan at $3,134.00:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/dolphin-hotel/rates-rooms/package-room-ticket/

(S)He's telling a half truth and implying it's the full truth. I've not visited Mouse World in over 30 years, but MouseLand with some frequency. One can pay that kind of room rate for a suite on the concierge floor of the Grand Californian (the most expensive of the Mouse's Anaheim hotels), and possibly get a steak meal for that kind of price in the Napa Rose restaurant (also in the Grand Californian). FWIW, we had our son and his fiance' celebrate their engagement with a meal in the Napa Rose. Their full meal, including dessert and wine was on the order of $200.

But one would have to seek out such pricey amenities in the Disney properties, they are not typical. There are plenty of very nice motels nearby, of the Disney hotels don't fit one's budget, with shuttles to the park or to Downtown Disney (through which one can enter MouseLand or California Adventure). And there are plenty of more moderately priced restaurants and delis in Downtown Disney.
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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2015, 11:10:52 PM »


As someone who knows, let me weigh in.

A ticket to DisneyLAND is about $100. But you can bring in your own grub, and you needn't buy anything inside the park. So a family of four can get away with, realistically, $500 for one day. Yes, that's steep, but the park is really very nice.

You can stay in one of the lesser hotels within walking distance of the park for about $100 a night. They aren't that bad, but they can be cheesy.

OR, you can stay in the Grand Californian for about $400 a night, usually more. Or Paradise Pier, about the same. The Disneyland hotel is also there and runs the same but it's older and the rooms are smaller.

You can spend a lot shopping if you want. You don't have to.

In sum, $250 will get you and your girl a nice day. However, $2500 will get you an incredible day and night. Just like anywhere else.

It's just that DUmmies think they're owed entertainment.

I figured it was something like that. Dummie was complaining about how the middle class can't afford it and that was my focus. Assuming this was true, the park(s) would go under.  :cheersmate:

(S)He's telling a half truth and implying it's the full truth. I've not visited Mouse World in over 30 years, but MouseLand with some frequency. One can pay that kind of room rate for a suite on the concierge floor of the Grand Californian (the most expensive of the Mouse's Anaheim hotels), and possibly get a steak meal for that kind of price in the Napa Rose restaurant (also in the Grand Californian). FWIW, we had our son and his fiance' celebrate their engagement with a meal in the Napa Rose. Their full meal, including dessert and wine was on the order of $200.

But one would have to seek out such pricey amenities in the Disney properties, they are not typical. There are plenty of very nice motels nearby, of the Disney hotels don't fit one's budget, with shuttles to the park or to Downtown Disney (through which one can enter MouseLand or California Adventure). And there are plenty of more moderately priced restaurants and delis in Downtown Disney.

For mexifornia, I would assume it would be more expensive. Everything out in mexifornia is more expensive from what I have heard.  As I said above in response to Banned, if the middle class was priced out of the parks, they would go under. Simple economic fact. Ain't enough rich folks in the world to make those large parks profitable. I'm sure they got the VIP packages. Large organization like that would be stupid not to. You go to mouseland, chances are you ain't gonna go back every weekend no matter how much money you got and how nice it is.   :cheersmate:

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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2015, 11:13:15 PM »
I figured it was something like that. Dummie was complaining about how the middle class can't afford it and that was my focus. Assuming this was true, the park(s) would go under.  :cheersmate:

For mexifornia, I would assume it would be more expensive. Everything out in mexifornia is more expensive from what I have heard.  As I said above in response to Banned, if the middle class was priced out of the parks, they would go under. Simple economic fact. Ain't enough rich folks in the world to make those large parks profitable. I'm sure they got the VIP packages. Large organization like that would be stupid not to. You go to mouseland, chances are you ain't gonna go back every weekend no matter how much money you got and how nice it is.   :cheersmate:


     Anyone who knows Disneyland will tell you that a good chunk of the park attendees on any day don't appear to have the means to actually go there. As nasty as that sounds, it's true. Hoodrats are plentiful.
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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2015, 04:44:13 AM »
Huh.

I aspire to be middle class.  Took me six months to put together the funds to go to WDW(FL) in March.  Still had to put some of it on the credit card.

It was a really good week, and you don't have to buy everything in sight.  In fact, a lot of the souvenirs we passed by in the parks were found in the Orlando Wal-Mart on the way out of town for a lot less.  My wife's "Grumpy" T-shirt was basically 2/3 off (Hey!  Minds out of the gutter, please!) because it was bought a few miles off the property.

Her second trip (first since the 1980s), my fourth (previously in 1972, 1996, and 2006).

Dunno what the DUmmies are going on about re the middle class.  But then again, I never could comprehend them with out the "they're stupid and/or lying" filter.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2015, 04:46:43 AM »
It pisses me off that Disney charges more for their movies on DVD than any other company.  New DVD releases are often on sale for under $15, Disney new releases are rarely under $20.  Greedy bastiges.

well...It's either their property, to sell at the price point they like, or it isn't.

It's certainly your money to spend on it or not as you wish.

I usually wait a bit and watch ebay.  Save half or better that way.
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2015, 04:51:39 AM »
I am middle class.

I went to Disney world for a week. Spent $2k. stayed at the Cheapest Disney Hotels for $100 a night, I only slept there. I took Disney buses for free to all the parks and had an all park pass for 5 days.

$2K went for everything including airfare. and I splurged! I went nuts!

About $3500 for me.  We drove, I paid for my wife and two of my cousin's kids (because they paid my way when I joined them in 2006); I wouldn't say we splurged, but we did stay at a "value" resort which was more than adequate, and used one of the lesser "dining plans" which was enough to make me feel like I gorged myself  :p
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2015, 05:48:45 AM »
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Disney parks price out the middle class

Really?  I took myself and my family (5 people total) for a week for $3K.  That included the meals, all 5 parks and the hotel room.

And that was on a lot less than I'm making now.

I'd be interested to see what this DUmmie considers "middle class".
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Re: Jealous DUmmies didn't like Disneyland/World anyway
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2015, 08:35:48 AM »
You beat me to it TX. we have to remember the DUmmies are so eaten up with hate they're immobilized and must survive on what the government will give them. Due to this they think those making $60k combined income per year are the 1%
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2015, 09:29:58 AM »
I figured it was something like that. Dummie was complaining about how the middle class can't afford it and that was my focus. Assuming this was true, the park(s) would go under.  :cheersmate:

For mexifornia, I would assume it would be more expensive. Everything out in mexifornia is more expensive from what I have heard.  As I said above in response to Banned, if the middle class was priced out of the parks, they would go under. Simple economic fact. Ain't enough rich folks in the world to make those large parks profitable. I'm sure they got the VIP packages. Large organization like that would be stupid not to. You go to mouseland, chances are you ain't gonna go back every weekend no matter how much money you got and how nice it is.   :cheersmate:

Exactly. In more traditional economics, prices are a form of rationing, of balancing supply and demand. Hypothetically, a business tries to set its prices just high enough to almost but not quite run out of its supply. Setting prices too high would result in less sales, surplus supply, and less profit; long-term, that surplus would force a lowering of prices. Setting prices too low would result in businesses exhausting their supply well before they get more, again resulting in lost profit.

In the case of MouseLand (or, I assume, Mouse World), while their parks have a maximum capacity, they know that being at capacity almost every day is impractical, due to seasonal things such as vacations, school, and holidays. The Mouse's manglers also know that guest experience is not the best on days when the parks are at capacity (think of your favorite restaurant on Mother's Day). So they try to set prices at a point where the parks will be at capacity on the peak days of peak seasons, with some seasonal pricing as well.

The big picture, as you pointed out, is that there are not enough of The Rich in FL or CA to fill the Mouse's hotels and parks every day of the year. Not. Even. Close. So those many 10s of 1000s of guests in the parks every day are mostly middle and maybe even lower economic class people. That's sheer :thatsright: :thatsright: :thatsright: :thatsright: :thatsright: -grade common sense ... obviously above the ken (and Barbie) of many DU-folk.

More broadly, these DU-folk should read Charles Dickens' Hard Times (For These Times). Among its many themes is the idea that people need to balance the serious with amusement. These DU-folk might be considerably less unpleasant were they to unbend themselves and partake of public fun stuff. They might even benefit from seeing and hearing real life outside of their Lib-Prog echo chambers.
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