primitives discuss expanding waistlines

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/114214909

Oh my.

Star Member n2doc (37,882 posts)    Fri May 29, 2015, 10:11 AM

In U.S., Waistlines Keep Expanding
 
It’s well known that the U.S. has grappled with growing obesity levels, and a new Gallup poll confirms that Americans just keep getting larger. The report finds 27 percent of Americans had a body mass index (BMI) that classified them as obese in 2013, compared with 25.5 percent in 2008.

Only 2 percent of Americans are considered underweight, with a BMI of under 18.5. That percentage has remained steady in the last five years.

Hawaiians currently have the lowest rate of obesity, but that’s still a whopping 19 percent of the state’s population. Mississippi has the highest number of residents who are obese: 35.2 percent.
 
after which a map

The report also looked at population trends and found obesity increased most among people over 65 years old, from 23.4 percent in 2008 to 27.4 percent in 2013. Middle-age adults (ages 45 to 64), Midwesterners, women and whites were the next fastest growing populations when it comes to unhealthy weight gain. The report also reflects the trend that people who are obese tend to have lower incomes.

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http://www.newsweek.com/us-waistlines-keep-expanding-336874

Jester Messiah (2,394 posts)    Fri May 29, 2015, 10:25 AM

1. It doesn't help that some groups are trying to mainstream obesity.
 
Yes, positive body image is a good thing, but delusion is not. A clear-eyed view of the health concerns that obesity brings is sadly lacking in many who have the most need of it, and they will fight and argue against such if it is presented to them.

Ms. Hindenberg butts in:

Warpy (82,645 posts)  Fri May 29, 2015, 03:29 PM 

2. Overweight is mainstream and always has been
 
It's only the young and temporarily thin who look down their long blue noses at their elders who have put on a few pounds, especially their female elders.

Fat shaming doesn't work, it only makes the targets depressed and that makes them put on more weight. So knock it off.

There is a huge difference between overweight and exogenous obesity--or morbid obesity for that matter. Data suggest older people who are overweight live longer than those who conform to insurance company "norms," possibly because energy reserves help them cope with illness or injury.

In any case, worthwhile humans come in all body types. Shutting people down because they don't conform to yours is a loser's game.

SheilaT (17,852 posts)   Fri May 29, 2015, 03:43 PM

3. Overweight has not always been mainstream.
 
If you go back to the 60's and earlier, you'll almost never see an obese person, let alone a morbidly obese person. And the fat kids in school would hardly be considered fat these days.

I don't think JesterMessiah is advocating fat shaming, but there's a difference between that and recognizing that obesity really isn't a very good thing.

Warpy (82,645 posts)    Fri May 29, 2015, 04:46 PM

4. Uh, overweight people were common in the 1950s
 
and again, you're conflating it with morbid obesity, which it is not.

We are not all the same body type. Get used to it.

SheilaT (17,852 posts)    Fri May 29, 2015, 10:24 PM

5. Yes, overweight people have been around forever.
 
But the percentage of overweight people has skyrocketed. Just look at group photos from the 50's, and what stands out is you almost never see an obese person, and not very many overweight. We have gotten to the point where overweight looks normal, and it shouldn't. I am not confusing mere overweight with obesity.

I was one of those who was very skinny as a child and into my 20's. So it's not as though I'm effortlessly slender and don't get it about other body types.

wordpix (14,250 posts)    Sun May 31, 2015, 02:32 PM

6. big problem is sugar and fats + salt = addictive foods
 
I'm a cancer patient and have learned that cancer loves sugar so I've cut out most of it. However, I still make cakes and cookies for special occasions, cutting down the sugar in the recipe usually by 1/2. Still, that stuff is addictive! It takes all my willpower not to eat another cookie or piece of cake, even knowing how bad it is for me. Another addictive food is anything fried or roasted in oil with salt added (chips, nuts, etc). I eat 100% organic now and it's very difficult eating only a few chips at a time.

If you can stay away from these foods and substitute a salad, veggie sticks or raw fruit for snacks, you'll lose weight.

I am wondering if/when some obese people will sue food corporations, like smokers sued cigarette makers. I am sure these food cos. deliberately use extra sugar and salt to make the foods addictive.

By the way, speaking of fat news, Big Bertha, the "Bertha Venation" primitive, is going to attend some nudist musicians' camp in eastern Connecticut soon.  It should be rather jolly.

[GOBUCKS]

I can't believe the DUmmies could discuss obesity without immediately mentioning high fructose corn syrup.

I thought HFCS causing obesity, cancer, diabetes, AIDS, and Ebola was democrat gospel.

One reason fat people were not as common in the 50s and 60s is that everyone smoked.

I don't know anyone who's quit smoking without a big weight gain.

That, and the fact that since the onset of the Reagan Boom we've had so much money to spend on food.

[BannedFromDU]

I can't believe the DUmmies could discuss obesity without immediately mentioning high fructose corn syrup.

I thought HFCS causing obesity, cancer, diabetes, AIDS, and Ebola was democrat gospel.

One reason fat people were not as common in the 50s and 60s is that everyone smoked.

I don't know anyone who's quit smoking without a big weight gain.

That, and the fact that since the onset of the Reagan Boom we've had so much money to spend on food.

     People ate less back then, and walked more. That's pretty much it. But anytime there's a fat thread on DU, an outsized (no pun intended) majority of them swear that they eat 1000 calories a day and that they work out religiously. Still, they can't lose weight. We know from photo threads and from various low-frequency booming noises heard throughout the day that DUmmies are, on average, fat. But they'd sooner die than admit why, nor would they allow for even a moment that their health issues generally stem from being sedentary losers.

     I still chuckle at their meetup photos, the background of which generally contains a table fairly groaning to support piles of the same foods they swear they never eat.

[Big Dog]

By the way, speaking of fat news, Big Bertha, the "Bertha Venation" primitive, is going to attend some nudist musicians' camp in eastern Connecticut soon.  It should be rather jolly.

Nudist lesbian musicians?  Is she hoping somebody will blow on her conch?

Mrs. Venation won't be happy about that. You gotta watch out for a jealous lesbian. She's like a buffalo cow if you get too close to its calf.

[GOBUCKS]

I recommend that everyone use the nadin method of weight control.

Meet with your doctor every six months and agree that whatever you weigh that day is your ideal weight.

Then no one would be overweight.

[BannedFromDU]

I recommend that everyone use the nadin method of weight control.

Meet with your doctor every six months and agree that whatever you weigh that day is your ideal weight.

Then no one would be overweight.

     Also works with hairdressers.

[SVPete]

Wait! DU-folk talking personal responsibility and consequences for behavior?! Isn't that racist or misogynist or something-or-other-ist?!!!

[Carl]

So obesity has increased since the war on poverty was kicked off?

[sharkhawk]

I recommend that everyone use the nadin method of weight control.

Meet with your doctor every six months and agree that whatever you weigh that day is your ideal weight.

Then no one would be overweight.

I thought Nadin's doctor told her she was underheight, not overweight.  All she needs to do is grow about 3 feet, and she will be fine.

[GOBUCKS]

I thought Nadin's doctor told her she was underheight, not overweight.  All she needs to do is grow about 3 feet, and she will be fine.

That actually wasn't a joke.

She has seriously told the DUmp that she and her doctor agree on resetting her ideal weight, and she's right on target.

[obumazombie]

This could be an onset of weight rape.

[BannedFromDU]

This could be an onset of weight rape.

     It has the potential to evolve from a micro-aggression to a macro-aggression, for sure.

[RayRaytheSBS]

Warpy (82,645 posts)  Fri May 29, 2015, 03:29 PM 

2. Overweight is mainstream and always has been
 
It's only the young and temporarily thin who look down their long blue noses at their elders who have put on a few pounds, especially their female elders.

Fat shaming doesn't work, it only makes the targets depressed and that makes them put on more weight. So knock it off.

There is a huge difference between overweight and exogenous obesity--or morbid obesity for that matter. Data suggest older people who are overweight live longer than those who conform to insurance company "norms," possibly because energy reserves help them cope with illness or injury.

In any case, worthwhile humans come in all body types. Shutting people down because they don't conform to yours is a loser's game.

No Warpy shaming DOES work, it worked for hundreds of years. A parent telling a kid 'stop stuffing your face, and go outside and play' WORKED.

The problem is, you can't let your kids play in the front yard or anywhere on your property in a city, because you might have a nosy damn neighbor like YOU, Warpy call the cops and say that kids are in the street unattended.

It goes from there to when your an adult, if you don't have the habit of fitness, it can be challenging to develop the discipline, yes I used the dirty word DISCIPLINE, Warpy, to exercise regularly.

The reason obesity is more prevalent now, is because people do NOT move around as much as they used to. Plain and simple. They come home, and veg in front of the TV for hours. If you start moving again, yes it will be painful, but it becomes easier the MORE you do it. And the more you do it, the more you WANT to do it.

There is a poster in the gym I work out in.  It states;  'We must all suffer one of two things: the pain of discipline, or the pain of regret and disappointment'. I stare at it while I am on the versa-climber doing sets. It sums it up in a nutshell. So you can take your 'obesity is the new norm'  B.S. and shove it.

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

The term "Obesity," much like the term "Bullying," has been horrifically overused in recent years, to the point where it has lost much of its meaning and gravity. Many people that we today call "Obese" would have been called "Overweight" 10- 20 years ago. "Obese" is supposed to be a term reserved for extremely overweight people.

"I am wondering if/when some obese people will sue food corporations, like smokers sued cigarette makers."
A group of fat teenagers tried suing McDonalds for that reason some years ago, the judge rightfully dismissed the case.
It is truly pitiful, the epitome of people trying to play the lawsuit lottery.

[freedumb2003b]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/114214909

Oh my.

Ms. Hindenberg butts in:

By the way, speaking of fat news, Big Bertha, the "Bertha Venation" primitive, is going to attend some nudist musicians' camp in eastern Connecticut soon.  It should be rather jolly.

If you post pictures I will be forced to do angry things to your pets.

[SVPete]

The term "Obesity," much like the term "Bullying," has been horrifically overused in recent years, to the point where it has lost much of its meaning and gravity. Many people that we today call "Obese" would have been called "Overweight" 10- 20 years ago. "Obese" is supposed to be a term reserved for extremely overweight people.

"I am wondering if/when some obese people will sue food corporations, like smokers sued cigarette makers."
A group of fat teenagers tried suing McDonalds for that reason some years ago, the judge rightfully dismissed the case.
It is truly pitiful, the epitome of people trying to play the lawsuit lottery.

Intentional games-playing with the definitions of words like "obese" or "rape" or "violence" or "terrorism" or "hate" or "tolerance", or "service dog",etc. (just the examples that popped into my head, far from an exhaustive list) has become one of the defining characteristics of our age a culture!

An article about the lawsuit against McDonald's: while the judge left open a way for the plaintiffs to refine and refile their lawsuit, the requirements he set for so doing were/are impossible to meet. The plaintiffs in the tobacco lawsuits were able to satisfy that standard by showing the tobacco companies knew of the dangers of their product and selectively bred strains of tobacco to be higher in nicotine (which is addictive). The plaintiffs in the M lawsuit would have to prove that M's hamburgers, fries, etc. were somehow dangerously different, by design, from ordinary hamburgers, fries, etc.. The short explanation is that, unlike in the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit, common sense prevailed.

[txradioguy]

What the Liberals don't realize is that it's their own draconian policies they've implemented in the name of "safety" "fairness" and "gender' that are causing especially younger people to grow up fat and lazy.

Try letting your kid go out this summer with a group of his friends to roam the neighborhood on their bikes the way we used to be able to.


Or play tag or king of the mountain at recess...if that school still has recess.

Kids can't be kids anymore and too many parents let the computer or the X Box be the babysitter.

[RayRaytheSBS]

What the Liberals don't realize is that it's their own draconian policies they've implemented in the name of "safety" "fairness" and "gender' that are causing especially younger people to grow up fat and lazy.

Try letting your kid go out this summer with a group of his friends to roam the neighborhood on their bikes the way we used to be able to.


Or play tag or king of the mountain at recess...if that school still has recess.

Kids can't he kids anymore and too many parents let the computer or the X Box be the babysitter.

Hi5! Steel on target and my point exactly! Well said!

[diesel driver]

I used one of those "drugstore" BMI machines at the local CVS the other day.  I'm 56, 6'2" tall, weigh 235, large frame, BP 110/65, pulse 60.

According to the machine, I'm "obese".   

What the Liberals don't realize is that it's their own draconian policies they've implemented in the name of "safety" "fairness" and "gender' that are causing especially younger people to grow up fat and lazy.

Try letting your kid go out this summer with a group of his friends to roam the neighborhood on their bikes the way we used to be able to.


Or play tag or king of the mountain at recess...if that school still has recess.

Kids can't be kids anymore and too many parents let the computer or the X Box be the babysitter.

Amen!  Hi 5!   

[SVPete]

I used one of those "drugstore" BMI machines at the local CVS the other day.  I'm 56, 6'2" tall, weigh 235, large frame, BP 110/65, pulse 60.

According to the machine, I'm "obese".   

Amen!  Hi 5!   

Wish I had your weight problem!

Being overweight is usually a lifestyle choice thing - knife-fork-and-spoon-control and having enough moving experiences. A couch potato could gain weight on 1800 calories a day. And - as some one who was said to me recently - a person who runs half marathons can be and stay overweight if they eat too much.

[txradioguy]

No Warpy shaming DOES work, it worked for hundreds of years. A parent telling a kid 'stop stuffing your face, and go outside and play' WORKED.

The problem is, you can't let your kids play in the front yard or anywhere on your property in a city, because you might have a nosy damn neighbor like YOU, Warpy call the cops and say that kids are in the street unattended.

It goes from there to when your an adult, if you don't have the habit of fitness, it can be challenging to develop the discipline, yes I used the dirty word DISCIPLINE, Warpy, to exercise regularly.

The reason obesity is more prevalent now, is because people do NOT move around as much as they used to. Plain and simple. They come home, and veg in front of the TV for hours. If you start moving again, yes it will be painful, but it becomes easier the MORE you do it. And the more you do it, the more you WANT to do it.

There is a poster in the gym I work out in.  It states;  'We must all suffer one of two things: the pain of discipline, or the pain of regret and disappointment'. I stare at it while I am on the versa-climber doing sets. It sums it up in a nutshell. So you can take your 'obesity is the new norm'  B.S. and shove it.

It also comes down to personal responsibility.

Of which the DUmmies have zero.

[txradioguy]

I used one of those "drugstore" BMI machines at the local CVS the other day.  I'm 56, 6'2" tall, weigh 235, large frame, BP 110/65, pulse 60.

According to the machine, I'm "obese".   

Amen!  Hi 5!   

I guess I'm right there in the "obese" column with you.

Especially where the Army is concerned.  They say that for my age and height 46/5'11 the max I can weigh is 194.

Thank goodness for the body fat percentage 

[RayRaytheSBS]

It also comes down to personal responsibility.

Of which the DUmmies have zero.

Very true, that would imply that the DUches would ever look at their life and think: 'hey, maybe I'm a fat @ss because I ALWAYS order the Big Mac with a super size fries, a large shake.... And a diet coke'.

[obumazombie]

No Warpy shaming DOES work, it worked for hundreds of years. A parent telling a kid 'stop stuffing your face, and go outside and play' WORKED.

The problem is, you can't let your kids play in the front yard or anywhere on your property in a city, because you might have a nosy damn neighbor like YOU, Warpy call the cops and say that kids are in the street unattended.

It goes from there to when your an adult, if you don't have the habit of fitness, it can be challenging to develop the discipline, yes I used the dirty word DISCIPLINE, Warpy, to exercise regularly.

The reason obesity is more prevalent now, is because people do NOT move around as much as they used to. Plain and simple. They come home, and veg in front of the TV for hours. If you start moving again, yes it will be painful, but it becomes easier the MORE you do it. And the more you do it, the more you WANT to do it.

There is a poster in the gym I work out in.  It states;  'We must all suffer one of two things: the pain of discipline, or the pain of regret and disappointment'. I stare at it while I am on the versa-climber doing sets. It sums it up in a nutshell. So you can take your 'obesity is the new norm'  B.S. and shove it.

I heartily agree.

You pay 1 of 2 prices in life, no exceptions.

You pay the price for failure.
Or you pay the price for success.

The good news is, you never have to stop at or accept failure.

[jukin]

There is an interactive map showing race population percentages. The highest obesity rate states were the highest in black population percentage. Almost half of all government subsidized food goes to the black population.

I leave it to the reader to come to their own conclusion.