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Occupy the Democratic Party?
I was not aware of this group or it's website until today, but it's been around for 3-4 years apparently.
http://www.occupydemocrats.com

Here's their "About Us" statement:

Founded in late 2012, Occupy Democrats is the new counterbalance to the Republican Tea Party. The Occupy Movement changed the national conversation around the issue of class and inequality, but unlike the Tea Party, it failed to achieve legislative victories. Our aim is to create a more equal society for all by working with progressives, President Obama & the Democratic Party! Our mission is to Occupy Democrats on Nov.4th, 2014 AND BEYOND by voting in a LANDSLIDE of progressive Democratic candidates! While the right–wing Tea Party has an entire caucus in Congress ruthlessly pursuing its extreme agenda, the Occupy movement has yet to produce even a single congressperson. Occupy Democrats is a new and growing MOVEMENT dedicated to changing that! Let’s give the Tea Party the boot — for good! — by electing a slate of newly-energized progressives to Congress. Working through the democratic process, We The People will rise up to give President Obama and other progressive Democrats a Congress that will work with them to grow the economy, create jobs, promote fairness and fight inequality, and get money OUT of politics!

Is anyone else on DU aware of this group? Is this authentically an OWS-based group, or a brainchild of 3rd Wayers to avoid progressive third-party organizing? The reason I ask this is that it also says this on their "About Us" page:

***WE ADVOCATE WORKING WITH DEMOCRATS, NOT THIRD PARTIES, TO FIGHT SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC INEQUALITY, AND WE LOVE, SUPPORT, RESPECT, AND ADMIRE PRESIDENT OBAMA***

I'd love to hear from all you DU Progressives if you know anything about this Occupy Democrats effort.

 
It seemed to work out so well for them in November 2014.

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17. The Occupy movement was one of the most successful social movements in recent times. Far exceeding its own goals, which were relatively modest, it has spread around the world.

It has changed the dialogue on Wall St, placing into the language of everyday people AND politicians, phrases that immediately highlight the issues they were there to get attention for.

Even they were surprised by their own enormous success.

So frightened of this rapidly spreading movement across the nation and the world, those in power sent out the 'troops' with the goal of a brutal crackdown that shocked the world.

Not intending to be around for more than two weeks at most, in ONE city, the movement has now moved to a new phase, brutal government crackdowns tend to get the attention of even more people.

Right wingers hate OWS, naturally, since they are a huge threat to the Oligarchs, Wall St and the war machine they so love.

But that only confirms their success.


 :o ...  explain to me how OWS was such a huge success?

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19. Thank you Sabrina. I was involved in Occupy L.A. and Occupy energized a whole new generation of activist that are now making change around the world. I am proud to have been involved...it was such a great time. Many things were learned & shared in those days that activists will carry for the rest of their lives.


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41. Yes Occupy US was/is successful

Just not my local group. They were not true Occupiers, they were mere wannabes.

I suggested on my last days there that they donate all the funds raised to OWS. Went back to the party office after that.

The OP is about Occupying (D) party offices and that is a grand idea. Been there, done that; it works!


uh... you just say your group was wannabes... and that they folded? that's success to a DUmpmonkie

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4. I tried to get this going when OWS was going strong.

99% of the people down there wouldn't hear of it. They insisted that it wasn't a political movement, that the machine itself is corrupt and we need a new sharing system of government which is absolutely ridiculous.

When I tried to use the human mic they wouldn't repeat my words once it became clear my intentions were to get occupy candidates to run.

I'm glad that these people are finally figured it out but this should've been done immediately after the movrment was formed.

They're yesterday's news now, nobody cares anymore.


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10. I think you're dead wrong.

99% of the people down there wouldn't hear of it. They insisted that it wasn't a political movement, that the machine itself is corrupt and we need a new sharing system of government which is absolutely ridiculous.

They're absolutely right. Capitalism is mandated to fail by the laws of capitalism itself. It will not last--we're seeing it destroy itself before our eyes right now. We need a new economy where the workers own the means of production, which, at least for me, means advocating for socialism.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/apr/13/occupy-right-capitalism-failed-world-french-economist-thomas-piketty

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12775392

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sara-robinson/capitalism-has-failed-5-b_b_1546120.html

http://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/why-capitalism-fails-the-man-who-saw-the-meltdown-coming-had-another-troubling-insight-it-will-happen-again

And there is much, much more. I highly suggest reading some of Lenin, Marx, Engels, Trotsky, and Luxembourg for a good intro. Looking at things from a modern perspective, Thomas Piketty wrote a brilliant book called "Capital in the 21st Century". Do your research--capitalism doesn't work.


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13. Read the links I provided.

Study your economic theory. Piketty is probably the best if you don't like the idea of Marx and Engels. Capitalism doesn't work.

I don't imagine I'm going to convince you of anything, so I'm not going to try here. But I do want to say that things weren't nearly as nice in the 1940's to the 1980's as people here want to believe. There has always been a desperately poor class underfoot that we conveniently forget about, and unfortunately, as long as we are in a capitalist system, that is not going to change. Same goes for racism, sexism, etc.: it's mandated by capitalism. The incredibly balanced intricacies of oppression in the American political and economic system are here to stay, because that's what maximizes profit. As long as your system involves oppression of one group for another's gain (the essence of capitalism), you will continue to see those issues.

Have a nice day.


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30. You are so wrong. OWS is not a political movement, that was the beauty and success of it.

And that was the POINT, a point that scared the living daylights out of those who have a vested interest in keeping the people divided.

You totally did not understand OWS so not sure why you were there.

The fact that the movement itself is not political, has nothing to do with individuals choosing to run, who to vote for, or any other decision they might make.

And yes, OWS members did run for office.

Now the movement has moved on to the next phase, worldwide and have had so much success in the endeavors they have taken on.

Gandhi and MLK were not political, not into 'Party Politics' either.

The most successful Social Movement, such as OWS which has been hugely successful, do not DIVIDE they UNITE.

Thankfully millions around the world DID 'get' what they represent.


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42. Follow them on Facebook for a while

and watch the flipping Third Way crap they spew. I followed them for a while and even commented a time or two stating Occupy was neither Democrat nor Republican, and it was so obvious they co-opted the brand. I didn't follow them for long. They made me want to spew. LOL
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It seemed to work out so well for them in November 2014.
 

 :o ...  explain to me how OWS was such a huge success?


They did drugs, destroyed some stuff, assaulted some women, left a lot of trash, and used a police car as a commode. That's a huge success in the progressive world.
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It is a hard contest to hold but I think sabrina may truly be the stupidest mutt there is at the DUmp. 

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They did drugs, destroyed some stuff, assaulted some women, left a lot of trash, and used a police car as a commode. That's a huge success in the progressive world.

So, ODP needs to basically turn Dimrat offices into toilets, since Dimrats already "did drugs, destroyed some stuff, assaulted some women, left a lot of trash"* prior to the "occupoop movement".

*(They left out "blame Bush/Republicans")
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17. The Occupy movement was one of the most successful social movements in recent times. Far exceeding its own goals, which were relatively modest, it has spread around the world.

It has changed the dialogue on Wall St, placing into the language of everyday people AND politicians, phrases that immediately highlight the issues they were there to get attention for.

Even they were surprised by their own enormous success.

So frightened of this rapidly spreading movement across the nation and the world, those in power sent out the 'troops' with the goal of a brutal crackdown that shocked the world.

Not intending to be around for more than two weeks at most, in ONE city, the movement has now moved to a new phase, brutal government crackdowns tend to get the attention of even more people.

Right wingers hate OWS, naturally, since they are a huge threat to the Oligarchs, Wall St and the war machine they so love.

But that only confirms their success.

In what chemical-induced fantasy world does this (apparent) female live?

OWS accomplished less than nothing. They alienated normal Americans from their cause, they forced Lib/Prog mayors in cities like Oakland and LA to allow their city PDs to protect innocent citizens' property, and the Occupooers finally collapsed and died of their own stupidity.

If I'm what this (apparent) female considers a "Right winger", I hold the Occupooers in simple contempt. They aren't worth the energy and effort to hate.
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As others here have noted, Occupy was a pitiful failure, for the following reasons:
1. They were a pointless movement to begin with, they had no concrete, articulate goals (Other than, in a Tommy Chong- esque voice, "Hey, MAAAAAN, rich people are, like, evil and stuff, because they, like, have more stuff than us, MAAAAAAN! They should be, like, punished for crimes against social justice and all their stuff given to us, MAAAAN! Someone pass a bong over here, MAAAAN, it's been a while since my last hit!"), unlike the Civil Rights movement, which they idiotically tried to compare themselves to. One incident that summed this up was when some of New York's political leaders asked the Occupiers to send up a representative to meet with them and discuss the movement's goals and demands with them. Any serious political or social movement would see this as a wonderful opportunity to get their message out to the public and come closer to their goals being met, but the Occupiers responded to this invitation by sending a dog as their representative. While I'm sure it gave the dope- addled trust- fund brats something to laugh about while passing the bong around, it caused the city's leaders and the rest of the public to see them as they truly were: A bunch of stupid, spoiled children who didn't even take their own movement seriously.
2. For all their claims of representing the public and "The 99%," their antics greatly hurt, inconvenienced, and generally pissed off the public. Between the noise code violations like their drum circles keeping people up all night, their tendency to leave public parks and other areas meant to be enjoyed by the people looking like garbage dumps and smelling like port- a- potties, their deliberately starting riots and crime, their contributing to the spread of rats, lice, and a whole host of contagious diseases, their blocking up traffic for no reason, their disrupting and harassing local businesses that refused to give them free food and other free stuff, and their randomly accosting civilians (Including children on their way to school) for no good reason, I don't think anyone was sorry to see them go.
3. Mayor Bloomberg finally growing a pair and having the Occupiers thrown out for all their illegal actions (Even if he did likely do it to ensure that the Occupiers wouldn't disrupt any of the major events that took place in New York around the holiday season) was the beginning of the end for them. The harsh New York winters brought their occupation to a true end, and come spring, all but the most fanatical and insane Occupiers had lost interest (More on that next).
4. The fact that the Occupiers had no leadership, leading figure, or organized structure of any kind meant that, when the movement attempted to reassemble itself in the Spring of 2012, its most psychotic members were able to take the reins and lead what was left of the movement in even more repulsive directions, such as members of Occupy Cleveland getting caught plotting to bomb a bridge on May Day, and Occupy Oakland Patriarchy (Occupy Oakland's feminist wing) protesting AGAINST a conference designed around combating child sex- trafficking.
5. Obviously, in the 2014 elections, the Left got crushed, not doubt partially to the Occupiers' actions revealing to the American public the true, ugly face of the American Far Left.

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It is a hard contest to hold but I think sabrina may truly be the stupidest mutt there is at the DUmp.

For sure, she's in the top FIVE.

Even gNads stopped writing about the 'poopers in SD after a few months. City PD's dispersed them after the (usually) D Mayor  figured out the media wasn't gonna flay them over the airwaves.

It was fun to watch.

I wonder who ran away with all of the donations?

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Good plan !

I fully support identifying all Democrats with Occupy Wall Street, and making it clear to everyone that they serve a common goal.

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In what chemical-induced fantasy world does this (apparent) female live?

OWS accomplished less than nothing. They alienated normal Americans from their cause, they forced Lib/Prog mayors in cities like Oakland and LA to allow their city PDs to protect innocent citizens' property, and the Occupooers finally collapsed and died of their own stupidity.

If I'm what this (apparent) female considers a "Right winger", I hold the Occupooers in simple contempt. They aren't worth the energy and effort to hate.

Ya know, I've realized that I was too harsh with "sabrina 1". I realized how much she missed, being, apparently, so young. She doesn't have her parents', uncles', and aunts' drug-addled memories (and clouded non-memories) of occupying college administration buildings, free-sex love-ins, driving ROTC off their college campuses, smoking dope with cooler profs, and spitting on men and women in uniform who dared to be better human beings than they were. "sabrina 1" is just deprave ..... errrrr ...... deprived.
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The occupoopers were very successful at molesting women, and intimidating them into not reporting such molestation.
You know, the typical war on women stuff.
I love it when women put their foot down and only allow men to abuse them who are liberal.
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So, ODP needs to basically turn Dimrat offices into toilets, since Dimrats already "did drugs, destroyed some stuff, assaulted some women, left a lot of trash"* prior to the "occupoop movement".

*(They left out "blame Bush/Republicans")

I think the "blame Bush/Republicans" is intended to be understood like the understood "you" in the sentence "Go to the store and buy me some Cheetos."
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