Author Topic: Quinnipiac Battleground State Poll : Obama Leads in FL, PA, and OH (BAD news)  (Read 6885 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Servonaut

  • In Memoriam
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 808
  • Reputation: +87/-8
  • "Memento Mori"
Polls are Bullshit. Here is a recent one from Ohio.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Ohio_617081.pdf

Quote

Do a little digging and you get this nugget.

Quote

 :whatever:

Offline Hawkgirl

  • Alpha Female
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4291
  • Reputation: +186/-73
I'd be willing to bet my paycheck that Obama loses Florida. :-)

Offline Wretched Excess

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15284
  • Reputation: +485/-84
  • Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happy Hour
I have beaten the internet bloody looking for the internals on this poll.  I can't find them.  they are
conspicuously absent.

a potential flaw in this type of poll is that they attempt to project turnout on election day, and
intentionally skew their sample size to properly reflect what they think turnout will look like in
november. 

given the dem turnout in the primaries (and that's all they have to go on at this point), it would be easy to
create a turnout model that produces flatly insane and hysterical results.  it's my completely uneducated
guess that this is what has happened here.

just for the sake of reference, a rassmussen poll  taken on yesterday shows mccain up 1 in ohio, 44-43.  that
is the same margin as the same poll in may, which was 45-44.

and rasmussen has a much better track record.


Offline Wretched Excess

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15284
  • Reputation: +485/-84
  • Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happy Hour

not to belabor the point, but . . . .

The latest Rasmussen poll , taken yesterday, has mccain up 8 points in florida, 47-39.  that is down two points from last month's poll, but it's a far cry from the crap quinnipiac was peddling yesterday.


disclaimer:  Sorry, I just like playing with poll numbers, guys.  I don't necessarily believe any of them, and I certainly didn't buy the quinnipiac poll when it came out yesterday.  I posted it because I knew it was going to be controversial,  and it seemed a worthy topic of discussion.  ultimately, I don't think polls can really be used to identify anything but very general trends.  but then, they can perhaps indicate what sort of events are moving the numbers, changing people's minds, & etc. I just find all of that very interesting.

Offline Lord Undies

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11388
  • Reputation: +639/-250
My daughter (30), who is THE definition of a political independent, came in my house loaded for bear this morning.  She said that yesterday opened her eyes to the democrats.  She said regardless of what I have told her her whole life, she had to find out for herself, and she did find out yesterday. 

My daughter was speaking of the President's oil speech yesterday and the democrat reactions and statement afterwards.  She is livid.

I don't think my daughter is unique in her newfound vision of the democrats. 

Offline DixieBelle

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12143
  • Reputation: +512/-49
  • Still looking for my pony.....
Rebel said it best. Polls aren't to be trusted. Undies also nailed it. They are nothing more than crack for the Oooobama zombies and an attempt to change public perception. Mind games. That is all.

Last July, the media was saying this about McCain:
July 15: Republican strategist Mike Murphy and Chicago Sun-Times reporter Robert Novak weigh in with NBC's Tim Russert of "Meet the Press" on whether Sen. John McCain's, R-Ariz., campaign hit this week cost him a chance at the election.
http://video.msn.com/dw.aspx?mkt=en-us&from=truveo&vid=291dd401-34f1-4eed-8de8-0a1d90c59754

You can't trust the media or polls. But they are doing the heavy lifting for Ooooobama.
I can see November 2 from my house!!!

Spread my work ethic, not my wealth.

Forget change, bring back common sense.
-------------------------------------------------

No, my friends, there’s only one really progressive idea. And that is the idea of legally limiting the power of the government. That one genuinely liberal, genuinely progressive idea — the Why in 1776, the How in 1787 — is what needs to be conserved. We need to conserve that fundamentally liberal idea. That is why we are conservatives. --Bill Whittle

Offline Wretched Excess

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15284
  • Reputation: +485/-84
  • Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happy Hour
My daughter (30), who is THE definition of a political independent, came in my house loaded for bear this morning.  She said that yesterday opened her eyes to the democrats.  She said regardless of what I have told her her whole life, she had to find out for herself, and she did find out yesterday. 

My daughter was speaking of the President's oil speech yesterday and the democrat reactions and statement afterwards.  She is livid.

I don't think my daughter is unique in her newfound vision of the democrats. 

the dems are caught between a rock and a hard place on this one.  energy costs, drilling, & etc.,  are going to be huge wedge issues this year.  and the dems can't back away from this absolutist position that they have staked out for themselves, or they will infuriate half their base.  and rahm emmanuel's "use it or lose it" comment yesterday went over like "let them eat cake".

mccain should come out in favor of drilling off every cost that has oil, drilling in ANWR, drilling in areas that snail darters may live, drilling in TR's forehead on freaking mt. rushmore if they find oil there.

« Last Edit: June 19, 2008, 01:10:32 PM by Wretched Excess »

Offline DixieBelle

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12143
  • Reputation: +512/-49
  • Still looking for my pony.....
Hopefully, in the age of instant news and the internet, people won't fall far the Carter-esque style of leadership. The Dems are going to have to play dirty (okay, hold the jokes :-) ) if they want to pull the wool over everyone's eyes this time around.
I can see November 2 from my house!!!

Spread my work ethic, not my wealth.

Forget change, bring back common sense.
-------------------------------------------------

No, my friends, there’s only one really progressive idea. And that is the idea of legally limiting the power of the government. That one genuinely liberal, genuinely progressive idea — the Why in 1776, the How in 1787 — is what needs to be conserved. We need to conserve that fundamentally liberal idea. That is why we are conservatives. --Bill Whittle

Offline Wretched Excess

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15284
  • Reputation: +485/-84
  • Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happy Hour
Rebel said it best. Polls aren't to be trusted. Undies also nailed it. They are nothing more than crack for the Oooobama zombies and an attempt to change public perception. Mind games. That is all.

Last July, the media was saying this about McCain:
July 15: Republican strategist Mike Murphy and Chicago Sun-Times reporter Robert Novak weigh in with NBC's Tim Russert of "Meet the Press" on whether Sen. John McCain's, R-Ariz., campaign hit this week cost him a chance at the election.
http://video.msn.com/dw.aspx?mkt=en-us&from=truveo&vid=291dd401-34f1-4eed-8de8-0a1d90c59754

You can't trust the media or polls. But they are doing the heavy lifting for Ooooobama.

I fling myself on the ground at the alter of common sense and beg forgiveness for my apostasy.   :tongue:

I like polls.  I like knockin' 'em around.  I like identifying trends.  I think you get a unique insight into the mind of the electorate that you simply cannot acquire any other way than playing with polls.  I don't have to "trust" them.   they are what they are, tools to be used.   :-)

Offline DixieBelle

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12143
  • Reputation: +512/-49
  • Still looking for my pony.....
Nah, we like it when you play with political crack :-) Somebody needs to parse this stuff.
I can see November 2 from my house!!!

Spread my work ethic, not my wealth.

Forget change, bring back common sense.
-------------------------------------------------

No, my friends, there’s only one really progressive idea. And that is the idea of legally limiting the power of the government. That one genuinely liberal, genuinely progressive idea — the Why in 1776, the How in 1787 — is what needs to be conserved. We need to conserve that fundamentally liberal idea. That is why we are conservatives. --Bill Whittle

Offline BlueStateSaint

  • Here I come to save the day, because I'm a
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32553
  • Reputation: +1560/-191
  • RIP FDNY Lt. Rich Nappi d. 4/16/12
Sorry to object, and to strenuously object, but it's w-a-a-a-a-a-a-y too early to be bothered by polls.

I've seen this all my life; the only polls that illuminate are those taken just before an election, like a week or a few days before.   Polls taken months and months before elections don't mean squat.

The only usefulness one can get out of early polls is an early indication which way people are trending, and candidates usually have a campaign staff to devise strategies to influence people to gradually swing in their favor.

I've lived my whole life through this; I'm not seeing anything I haven't seen before.

Barry "Goldwater" Obama is bound to make some major gaffe somewhere along the line, and by late October, we're going to see the same thing we saw in 1972 and 1984, the big-city machine bosses abandoning the top of the ticket and working desperately creating votes to save those Democrats further down the ballot.

Wait and see if I'm not right.

I wish I could articulate why I feel this way--muddyemms asked me to, but I couldn't--but there you have it, my gut instinct.  Wait and see if I'm not right.



'Tis true, Coach.  I've got a feeling, though, that you may be right--better than 50%. 

Thing is, he's already made the gaffe.  What is the gaffe?

His declaration that he will do nothing to increase the domestic supply of oil.  Gas will go to close to $7 a gallon if he's elected, probably right on January 21, 2009.

While there is a time lag between when oil is discovered and when it gets to the refineries, in North Dakota, now, there is a huge oil discovery that is just now being tapped.  Some of that oil is getting to refineries now.  Not much, but it can only get bigger.

His declaration that "ANWR oil won't get to market for 10 years" is exactly the type of mentality that got us in this position in the first place.  It's gonna take a long time, so why bother to try to get it now?

If ANWR was opened, the psychological shock of that would cause speculators to drive the price down.  The mere threat that they could lose millions on oil contracts that they bought at elevated prices, when the supply of oil is suddenly increased (even at a later date), would drive the price lower.  How low?  It's been said that speculators add $60 to $70 to a barrel of oil.  So, for argument's sake, let's say that the price of oil drops half that--to close to $95 to $100 a barrel.  Speculators lose a mint--maybe billions.  And, our enemies in the world--Iran and Venezuela among them--see their take of the oil pie drop. 

But, the Dems don't want to do this.  Makes one wonder just whose side they're on--the side of the American driver and consumer, or the side of America's enemies.  If they choose the latter, isn't that treason?  (BTW--this needs to be stressed every chance one gets.)

So, the gaffe's been made.  Will Team McCain exploit it?
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

"All you have to do is look straight and see the road, and when you see it, don't sit looking at it - walk!" -Ayn Rand
 
"Those that trust God with their safety must yet use proper means for their safety, otherwise they tempt Him, and do not trust Him.  God will provide, but so must we also." - Matthew Henry, Commentary on 2 Chronicles 32, from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible

"These anti-gun fools are more dangerous to liberty than street criminals or foreign spies."--Theodore Haas, Dachau Survivor

Chase her.
Chase her even when she's yours.
That's the only way you'll be assured to never lose her.

Offline DixieBelle

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12143
  • Reputation: +512/-49
  • Still looking for my pony.....
^let's hope.

Maybe you could start a thread that explains the speculation process. I admit to not fully understanding it but every American needs to bone up. FAST.
I can see November 2 from my house!!!

Spread my work ethic, not my wealth.

Forget change, bring back common sense.
-------------------------------------------------

No, my friends, there’s only one really progressive idea. And that is the idea of legally limiting the power of the government. That one genuinely liberal, genuinely progressive idea — the Why in 1776, the How in 1787 — is what needs to be conserved. We need to conserve that fundamentally liberal idea. That is why we are conservatives. --Bill Whittle