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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Ptarmigan on March 07, 2014, 07:57:28 PM
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Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/07/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-plane-carrying-23-people/
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Malaysia Airlines says it has lost contact with a plane with 239 aboard travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
The airline said in a statement early Saturday it was attempting to locate the Boeing 777 after it lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2:40 a.m. It was scheduled to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m.
China's state-run news agency Xinhua reported the plane was lost in airspace controlled by Vietnam, and did not make contact with Chinese air traffic controllers. China is assisting the airline in its search for the plane, Xinhua said.
This is a red eye flight. Must be scary for this to happen. Probably crashed.
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They have Muslims in Malaysia.....I/m going with disgruntled youts.
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They have Muslims in Malaysia.....I/m going with disgruntled youts.
Amish, definitely the Amish...
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They have Muslims in Malaysia.....
My first thought too.
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Crash: Malaysia B772 over Gulf of Thailand on Mar 8th 2014, aircraft missing
http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0
This caught my attention.
According to The Aviation Herald's radar data the aircraft was last regularly seen at 17:22Z (01:22L) about half way between Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) at FL350 over the Gulf of Thailand about 260nm northnortheast of Kuala Lumpur and 160nm northeast of Kota Bharu 40 minutes into the flight, followed by anomalies in the radar data of the aircraft over the next minute (the anomalies may be related to the aircraft but could also be caused by the aircraft leaving the range of the receiver).
Aviation sources in China report that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. The aircraft was estimated to contact Ho Chi Minh Control Center (Vietnam) at 01:20L, but contact was never established.
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Air France all over again.
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The Vietnamese Air Force has spotted two 'oil slicks' which are consistent with two fuel tanks of a crashed airliner. Apparently, the Malasyian government has sent 15 aircraft and 9 ships to the area for the search.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_MALAYSIA_PLANE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-08-07-44-52
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Stolen European passports on missing plane
http://news.yahoo.com/stolen-european-passports-missing-plane-150519884.html;_ylt=AwrBEiJtMxtTYW8AUjTQtDMD
MILAN (AP) — Foreign ministry officials in Rome and Vienna confirm that names of two nationals listed on the manifest of the missing Malaysian airlines flight match passports reported stolen in Thailand.
Stolen passports have turned up. This could be terrorism.
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This could be terrorism.
Could be? I would bet on it.
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Could be? I would bet on it.
Both pilots are Muslim. The 1st Officer is 27 years old. The plane did a sharp 700 foot drop on altitude change along with a sudden course change.
IMO that sounds like a struggle for control of the plane in the cockpit.
I'd bet on terrorism too.
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Both pilots are Muslim. The 1st Officer is 27 years old. The plane did a sharp 700 foot drop on altitude change along with a sudden course change.
IMO that sounds like a struggle for control of the plane in the cockpit.
I'd bet on terrorism too.
Years ago there was a Saudi pilot that took the plane down off of our east coast. That was before 9/11, and they called it a suicide.
But he was yelling "allah Akbar" at the same time.
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Could be? I would bet on it.
Both pilots are Muslim. The 1st Officer is 27 years old. The plane did a sharp 700 foot drop on altitude change along with a sudden course change.
IMO that sounds like a struggle for control of the plane in the cockpit.
I'd bet on terrorism too.
I wonder about the people with the stolen passport. I am thinking a bombing took place, where the terrorists detonated it.
I know Egypt Air Flight 990 crashed after the pilot caused it to crash in 1999.
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http://www.wnd.com/2001/12/11863/
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Nearly two years before the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Egypt Air Flight 990 took off from Kennedy Airport bound for Cairo and inexplicably crashed into the Atlantic off Nantucket, Mass., killing all 217 aboard.
U.S. investigators determined the relief co-pilot, Gamil el-Batouty, deliberately crashed the plane. Those findings were released just five months before Sept. 11.
Batouty’s last words, according to investigators, were in the form of Muslim prayer in Arabic: “I rely on Allah.†He said it 11 times before the aircraft began its sudden descent from 33,000 feet to 16,000 feet.
The auto-pilot was switched off before the steep dive and both engines were shut off. Mechanical failure was ruled out.
(snip)
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I expect almost ALL of Malaysia Air's pilots and cabin crew are Muslim, and have been for decades; the Egypt Air thing never was clear as to whether it was a suicidal guy in the cockpit (And the theory on that was suicidal, not jihadi) or whether things were going to shit and he was just praying for all he was worth.
Terrorism looks like a very strong possibility, though. The stolen passports are pretty suspicious and may very well indicate terrorism, but it's just as possible that it was terrorism but unrelated to those particular passports. I'm pretty sure that in that corner of the world it's not difficult to find a few people on almost any given airliner who are traveling on stolen passports and fake identities...SE Asia and China are rife with criminal networks and identity theft, after all.
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Missing Malaysian jet may have disintegrated in mid-air: source
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140309
Malaysia's state news agency quoted Home Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi as saying the passengers using the stolen European passports were of Asian appearance, and criticizing border officials who let them through.
"I am still perturbed. Can't these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian (passport holders) but with Asian faces," he was quoted as saying late on Sunday.
I wonder if those two people with fake passports have been tracked as potential terrorists.
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Malaysia has been a hotbed of terrorism for many years. A friend of mine in St Louis travelled extensively. She was very bummed out when a trip sponsored by the St Louis Zoo was cancelled because of the threat of terrorism---and that was before 9-11. It's not a vacation destination target for me---even a free trip.
My bet is on terrorism.
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Missing Malaysian jet may have disintegrated in mid-air: source
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140309
I wonder if those two people with fake passports have been tracked as potential terrorists.
I'm sure they are at the top of the list as suspects.
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Since this flight was bound for Beijing, you have to wonder if there is any tie to this.
BEIJING – China's official Xinhua News Agency says at least 27 people are dead and 109 injured after a group of knife-wielding men attacked a train station in southwestern China.
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One of the greatest pleasures I had as a flight line jet engine mechanic was to get the first sortie off the ground and then go to the ACMI facility and watch the fun.
This big fat 777 was at 35,000 ft, made a turn back and then disappeared from radar?
I call bullshit.
They tracked it it making a turn and then nothing?
I'm not on board with that, that plane could have been blown in half and they could have tracked it nearly to the deck
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'One of two men who boarded doomed Air Malaysia flight on a stolen passport looked like Mario Balotelli': Authorities reveal key clue as they hunt Kazem Ali, mystery Iranian businessman who booked their tickets
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577185/Missing-Malaysia-flight-Probe-5-passengers-checked-never-boarded.html
Authorities have revealed one of the two men who used stolen passports to board the missing Malaysian Airlines plane looked like Mario Balotelli.
As it emerged an Iranian businessman named by Thai officials as Kazem Ali was understood to have booked the tickets for the two passengers using the stolen passports, the men who boarded the plane were said to have not been of 'Asian appearance'.
It appears an Iranian bought the tickets for those two who had the stolen passports.
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'One of two men who boarded doomed Air Malaysia flight on a stolen passport looked like Mario Balotelli': Authorities reveal key clue as they hunt Kazem Ali, mystery Iranian businessman who booked their tickets
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577185/Missing-Malaysia-flight-Probe-5-passengers-checked-never-boarded.html
It appears an Iranian bought the tickets for those two who had the stolen passports.
Two passports from unrelated people who didn't know each other, yet tickets were booked at the same time from/by the same person. Yeah, that makes me suspect the Amish are behind this.
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One of the greatest pleasures I had as a flight line jet engine mechanic was to get the first sortie off the ground and then go to the ACMI facility and watch the fun.
This big fat 777 was at 35,000 ft, made a turn back and then disappeared from radar?
I call bullshit.
They tracked it it making a turn and then nothing?
I'm not on board with that, that plane could have been blown in half and they could have tracked it nearly to the deck
I have to agree with this. I watch a lot of episodes of Air Crash Investigations and Seconds From Disaster on YouTube and every time they show an aircraft come apart at high altitude the radar does track the pieces as the fall to earth. It would have to be a very powerful explosive to reduce a 777 to pieces small enough to avoid showing up on radar.
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The Columbia debris was seen on radar. A wide swath across Texas.
I can't come up with a single explanation for what happened to the plane that makes sense provided all the information we have been given is true. Planes just don't spontaneously disintegrate into nothingness.
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Supposedly, the search has expanded to include a large area on the other side of Malaysia. One of the theories why the 777 was seen on military radar on the northeast side of Malaysia is that the navigation systems went out, and the pilots were trying to pick up the coast of Malaysia to guide them back to Kuala Lampur.
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If their navigation system was out, couldn't they still use a cell phone?
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If their navigation system was out, couldn't they still use a cell phone?
Out over the ocean? Sure, they place cell towers there all the time. :thatsright:
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Out over the ocean? Sure, they place cell towers there all the time. :thatsright:
Oh, right.
How far away will the towers work?
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Oh, right.
How far away will the towers work?
Not very. It's not my field of expertise, per se, but the best range numbers I've heard from a digital cell tower is about 2-3 miles. A lot will depend on the terrain, elevation, and the like.
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Oh, right.
How far away will the towers work?
C'mon, Dori. Don't be a DUmmie.
Google is your friend. Look it up.
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C'mon, Dori. Don't be a DUmmie.
Google is your friend. Look it up.
Well I am a dummy when it comes to what makes cell phones work.
So are you saying you don't know either? :-)
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Well I am a dummy when it comes to what makes cell phones work.
So are you saying you don't know either? :-)
Bitchslap for trying to put words in my mouth.
No, I'm saying LOOK IT UP.
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Dori,
There is no way to know how far out the phone would work without knowing several things that we can't know.
1) The provider
2) Many providers turn transmission power down at night.
3) The power that particular provider broadcasts at in the region.
During the daytime, most broadcast at a range of 45 miles. Being in the air as the plane was, it would receive the full 45 miles as there aren't any obstacles to limit the range.
I don't know anything about Malaysia airlines, but it would seem to me there would be satellite phones on board for emergency use if not customer use at a premium. Satellite phones use a satellite to connect to a cellular tower; thus would work in the middle of the ocean. It would also solve the tower hop problem that would occur with regular cellphones which is another reason I'd think airlines would have them installed on planes.
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Dori,
There is no way to know how far out the phone would work without knowing several things that we can't know.
1) The provider
2) Many providers turn transmission power down at night.
3) The power that particular provider broadcasts at in the region.
During the daytime, most broadcast at a range of 45 miles. Being in the air as the plane was, it would receive the full 45 miles as there aren't any obstacles to limit the range.
I don't know anything about Malaysia airlines, but it would seem to me there would be satellite phones on board for emergency use if not customer use at a premium. Satellite phones use a satellite to connect to a cellular tower; thus would work in the middle of the ocean. It would also solve the tower hop problem that would occur with regular cellphones which is another reason I'd think airlines would have them installed on planes.
Thanks, that helps a lot. I did try to google it, but still came up with :???:
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Malaysia has been a hotbed of terrorism for many years. A friend of mine in St Louis travelled extensively. She was very bummed out when a trip sponsored by the St Louis Zoo was cancelled because of the threat of terrorism---and that was before 9-11. It's not a vacation destination target for me---even a free trip.
My bet is on terrorism.
The problem with that is that terrorists want to BREED TERROR! No one has stepped forward to take "credit" for this event and if they did they would point to the proof.
Quiet terrorism is a non sequituer.
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Quiet terrorism is a non sequituer.
Oh, I don't know about that, someone or something just thiefed away 293 passengers and a Boeing 777.
I find that disquieting.
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Oh, I don't know about that, someone or something just thiefed away 293 passengers and a Boeing 777.
I find that disquieting.
That is the issue -- disquiet<>loud and terror is loud....
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That is the issue -- disquiet<>loud and terror is loud....
Ok, I'll take your for it.
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I've had a nagging thought bothering me for a while.
1) The plane is hundreds of miles off course.
2) The muslims in question are Iranian nationals.
3) The professionalism of the job.
My thought is the plane was hijacked, not destroyed. The passengers forced off and killed. The plane might be repainted to look like an American or an Israeli Jet. Then Iran uses it as a delivery system to detonate a nuke over a major city.
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I've had a nagging thought bothering me for a while.
1) The plane is hundreds of miles off course.
2) The muslims in question are Iranian nationals.
3) The professionalism of the job.
My thought is the plane was hijacked, not destroyed. The passengers forced off and killed. The plane might be repainted to look like an American or an Israeli Jet. Then Iran uses it as a delivery system to detonate a nuke over a major city.
Add this to your list of nagging thoughts:
Relatives Say Passenger Cellphones Are Still Online. Relatives have been saying they can call passenger cellphones, which are still online; they say that accounts are still showing up on the Chinese instant messenger service QQ.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/11/9-odd-facts-Malaysian-Flight
There's no way in hell those phones would still be on if that 777 was under water or blown into a million bits.
Instead of using all that damn spy tech on their own people...the NSA....NRO...CIA had better start looking at runways within the flight distances of that aircraft and see where that big ass Boeing is being hidden.
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Also something to think about...if the plane blew up or went down...then why aren't the locator beacons from the black boxes going off?
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Two other things that are interesting from CNN:
Air traffic controllers in Subang, outside Kuala Lumpur, lost contact with the plane over the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam. A senior Malaysian Air Force official said Tuesday that radar tracking detected the flight an hour and 10 minutes later over the very small island of Pulau Perak, in the Strait of Malacca. This is hundreds of miles off course, traveling in the opposite direction from its original destination. Other Malaysian authorities have reportedly denied the military official's claim.
The plane had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/10/world/asia/malaysia-plane-scenarios/index.html
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Two other things that are interesting from CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/10/world/asia/malaysia-plane-scenarios/index.html
Just guessing....Muslim hijackers couldn't find there target, got lost, died for naught....no virgins for them.
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Just guessing....Muslim hijackers couldn't find there target, got lost, died for naught....no virgins for them.
Alternate theory, plane flown to nation state known for sponsoring terrorism that is well within the flight range for that plane.
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Alternate theory, plane flown to nation state known for sponsoring terrorism that is well within the flight range for that plane.
Not beyond the scope. Most of the eastern hemisphere is within the range of a 777 originating from that area.
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Not beyond the scope. Most of the eastern hemisphere is within the range of a 777 originating from that area.
Max range of the 777-200 = 8,900 miles
Distance to Tehran = 3,600 miles
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Max range of the 777-200 = 8,900 miles
Distance to Tehran = 3,600 miles
:whistling:
Now calculate the number of nukes required to turn Iran into a glow in the dark swimming pool.
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Now calculate the number of nukes required to turn Iran into a glow in the dark swimming pool.
More than O'Bumbles has the testicular fortitude to use. More than Valerie Jarrett will allow Dear Leader to use.
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The problem with that is that terrorists want to BREED TERROR! No one has stepped forward to take "credit" for this event and if they did they would point to the proof.
Quiet terrorism is a non sequituer.
Actually, not true.
http://www.ibtimes.com/obscure-group-northwestern-china-chinese-martyrs-brigade-claims-responsibility-missing-malaysia
They're CLAIMING responsibility. However, claiming it and actually doing it...
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Actually, not true.
http://www.ibtimes.com/obscure-group-northwestern-china-chinese-martyrs-brigade-claims-responsibility-missing-malaysia
They're CLAIMING responsibility. However, claiming it and actually doing it...
Eh...it's not loud enough, it must be loud.
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Here's something interesting . . .
Oil rig worker says he saw missing plane go down: report
By Jessica Chasmar
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The Washington Times
Wednesday, March 12, 2014
ABC News correspondent Bob Woodruff has obtained a letter that an oil rig worker in Vietnam wrote to his employer claiming he saw Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 go down in flames.
Mr. Woodruff tweeted an image of the letter saying, “Oil rig worker claims in employer confirmed letter-he saw the plane go down. Vietnamese say they found nothing.â€
The letter, by Michael Jerome McKay, alleges that he observed the plane “burning at a high altitude†while he was aboard the oil rig “Songa Mercur†off Vung Tau.
He notes that the plane appeared to be in one piece.
“From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds,†he wrote. “There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary (falling), or going away from our location.â€
There's only two more paragraphs. It would seem that the Vietnamese might think that this is a hoax.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/12/oil-rig-worker-says-he-saw-missing-plane-go-down-r/#.UyCk150m6gw.twitter
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Fox News has photos from a Chinese satellite that shows large objects in the water near the plane's last known position....
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Alternate theory, plane flown to nation state known for sponsoring terrorism that is well within the flight range for that plane.
My Guess. Al Queda controlled Somalia.
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Fox News has photos from a Chinese satellite that shows large objects in the water near the plane's last known position....
The Chinese agency gave coordinates of 105.63 east longitude, 6.7 north latitude, which would put it in waters northeast of where it took off in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and south of Vietnam, near where the South China Sea meets the Gulf of Thailand.
http://www.ktbs.com/story/24958805/satellite-looking-into-missing-malaysia-flight-detects-suspected-crash-area
Here's something interesting . . .
There's only two more paragraphs. It would seem that the Vietnamese might think that this is a hoax.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/12/oil-rig-worker-says-he-saw-missing-plane-go-down-r/#.UyCk150m6gw.twitter
“The surface location of the observation is: Lat 08†22’ 30.23†N; Long 108†42’ 22.26†E,†he said.
^from the OP's link
From the oil rig observation coordinates to the Chinese radar coordinates, looks like this probably wasn't a hoax.
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Dori, if you use other peoples work you should give attribution and not make it look like your own work.
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Was missing flight MH370 jet brought down by a shoe bomber? British terrorist convicted of plotting similar attack says he gave explosive to Malaysian terror cell which included a pilot
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579162/Was-missing-flight-MH370-jet-brought-shoe-bomber.html
A British man convicted of plotting an Al-Qaeda plane bombing told a New York court yesterday about a separate 2001 plan for a Malaysian pilot to blast his way into a jet's cockpit.
Saajid Badat, who was sentenced in 2005 to 13 years in jail as a co-conspirator in a notorious December 2001 plot to bomb US airliners, has testified about the Malaysian plan before.
But his description of the apparently abandoned plot has a new resonance as investigators probe the fate of a Malaysia Airlines flight that disappeared on Saturday with 239 people on board.
Could a shoe bomb have brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 370?
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This story is getting more and more muddled. Boeing is now saying that the engines themselves transmitted data for approximately 4 hours after other contact was lost. Malaysian officials are denying that.
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This story is getting more and more muddled. Boeing is now saying that the engines themselves transmitted data for approximately 4 hours after other contact was lost. Malaysian officials are denying that.
Lending credence to the theory gaining momentum that some of Allah's Acolytes for Peace :whatever: may be trying to disappear the plane, to convert it to a Qu'ran delivery vehicle (because Acolytes of the Religion of Peace® would NEVER use an airplane to harm another human soul, unlike those eee-vil Amish bastards).
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U.S. officials lean toward 'those in the cockpit' behind missing flight
The U.S. intelligence community is leaning toward a theory that "those in the cockpit" -- the pilots of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -- were deliberately responsible for whatever happened to the commercial jetliner that vanished, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the latest thinking told CNN on Saturday.
The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, says the Malaysian government had wanted a reason to search the homes of the pilot and co-pilot for several days, but it was only in the last 24 to 36 hours the technical analysis of the collected radar and satellite data gave Malaysian officials sufficient reason to inspect those residences.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html
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So, who hijacked the plane?
Who was in the cockpit? Sullenberger?
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah and First Officer Fariq Abdul Hamid
Enough said. Investigation over.
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Satellite data shows hijacked MH370 was last seen flying towards Pakistan OR Indian Ocean as investigators search pilots' luxury homes and reveal one had home-made flight simulator
Investigators say the missing Malaysia Airlines jet was hijacked, steered off-course and could have reached Pakistan.
A Malaysian government official said people with significant flying experience could have turned off the flight's communication devices.
The representative said that hijacking theory was now 'conclusive', and, as a result, police have raided the luxury homes of both the captain and the co-pilot
While Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak refused to confirm that flight MH370 was taken over, he admitted 'deliberate action' on board the plane resulted in it changing course and losing connection with ground crews.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html
One thing really bothers me about this whole mess. The Malaysian government has been very quick to shoot down every possible sighting of wreckage that was developed. It's almost like they knew from the start it was hijacked. :tinfoil2: Have they had some communication from the hijackers?
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*snip out the first 4 paragraphs.*
“The fact that it flew straight over Malaysia, without the Malaysian military identifying it, is just plain weird, not just weird, but also very damning and tragic,†said David Learmount, the operations and safety editor for Flightglobal, a news and data service for the aviation sector.
Senior Malaysian military officers became aware within hours of the radar data once word spread that a civilian airliner had vanished. The Malaysian government nonetheless organized and oversaw an expensive and complex international search effort in the Gulf of Thailand that lasted for a full week.
Only on Saturday did Prime Minister Najib Razak shut it down after admitting what had been widely reported in the news media: Satellite data showed that the engines on the missing plane had continued to run for nearly six more hours after it left Malaysian airspace.
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2023141836_flighterrorsxml.html?syndication=rss
I still say there are people in the Malaysian government that know what s going on. It sounds like they deliberately misdirected the search.
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http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2023141836_flighterrorsxml.html?syndication=rss
I still say there are people in the Malaysian government that know what s going on. It sounds like they deliberately misdirected the search.
that wouldn't be a stretch. Malaysia has been a hotbed for terror for years. Why would we trust what they say?
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that wouldn't be a stretch. Malaysia has been a hotbed for terror for years. Why would we trust what they say?
Because we have Obama as President. He ceded control of the search to the Malaysian government instead of having our craft do their own work.
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There's just been a press conference on this, looks like they are going with the theory it was deliberate.
The communication systems of missing flight MH370 were deliberately disabled, Malaysia’s prime minister Najib Razak has confirmed.
Razak said radar and satellite data showed the plane then changed course.
‘‘We can say with a high degree of certainty that the aircrafts communications addressing and reporting system or ACARS, was disabled.
These movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane,’‘ Razak said.
Razak also said new evidence placed the aircraft in one of two corridors: North from Northern Thailand to Kazakhstan, or south from Indonesia to the southern Indian ocean. ...
link (http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/15/missing-flight-mh370-s-communication-systems-disabled-malaysia-s-pm-says/)
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I posted this in the DUmp thread to (hopefully) drive the lurkers nuts...but at this point it's becoming a very credible theory:
It's in Iran there and there are several 7,000' runways within the flight radius of that jet.
The scary scenario I see is this the jet gets repainted to look like this:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fQNg0uhvHTk/T8LrWXMEuxI/AAAAAAAAAR0/wMi-bcWWBtE/s1600/_BEL2804+777-258ER+4X-ECB+El+Al+left+front+l.jpg)
And then the terrorists fly it...loaded with a nuke...into this:
(http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/saudi_arabia/images/the-kaba-02-500.jpg)
Instant WW III.
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Yeah, but the transponders that were tracked for 7 hours after contact was lost--do they come on when the plane is powered up? And, are they plane-specific? What I'm getting at here is this--would someone know if the plane came back up 'on the net,' as soon as it did?
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Yeah, but the transponders that were tracked for 7 hours after contact was lost--do they come on when the plane is powered up? And, are they plane-specific? What I'm getting at here is this--would someone know if the plane came back up 'on the net,' as soon as it did?
Nope transponders were turned off right before they had their last contact with Vietnamese ATC.
Then came the left turn to the west.
The signal they were receiving was was a periodic signal burst to a satellite from sensors monitoring the engines.
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What was his DUmp user name? Moved family out of the house the week before and the day before the disappearance the pilot attended the trial of the governments top opposition leader who is gay and was sentenced to a prison sentence.
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What was his DUmp user name? Moved family out of the house the week before and the day before the disappearance the pilot attended the trial of the governments top opposition leader who is gay and was sentenced to a prison sentence.
On a related Al Gore was a supporter of the imprisoned rump ranger. http://devel.malaysiandigest.com/news/493034-al-gore-speaks-up-for-anwar-again-after-sodomy-ii-conviction.html
I always wondered about that funny lisp Al Gore has.
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On a related Al Gore was a supporter of the imprisoned rump ranger. http://devel.malaysiandigest.com/news/493034-al-gore-speaks-up-for-anwar-again-after-sodomy-ii-conviction.html
I always wondered about that funny lisp Al Gore has.
The sooner the ice caps melt and drown all those island Muslims the better.
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I posted this in the DUmp thread to (hopefully) drive the lurkers nuts...but at this point it's becoming a very credible theory:
It's in Iran there and there are several 7,000' runways within the flight radius of that jet.
The scary scenario I see is this the jet gets repainted to look like this:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fQNg0uhvHTk/T8LrWXMEuxI/AAAAAAAAAR0/wMi-bcWWBtE/s1600/_BEL2804+777-258ER+4X-ECB+El+Al+left+front+l.jpg)
And then the terrorists fly it...loaded with a nuke...into this:
(http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/saudi_arabia/images/the-kaba-02-500.jpg)
Instant WW III.
Israel Prepares for Possible Attack by Hijacked Malaysian Plane
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/16/Israel-Prepares-for-Attack-by-Hijacked-Malaysian-Plane
As the possibility--however remote--grows that Malaysia Airlines flight 370 may have been hijacked and taken to a hidden location, Israeli authorities are preparing for the possibility that the hijackers might attempt to use the Boeing 777 to mount an attack.
According to the Times of Israel, Israel's Channel 2 has revealed that Israeli air defenses have been boosted, and approaching civilian aircraft will be asked to identify themselves far earlier.
Though the flight was presumed at first to have crashed, whole or in pieces, into the ocean, passive satellite transmissions from the aircraft suggest that it made a deliberate course change and may have headed north into central Asia.
Israel is on guard for for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. It could be used as a weapon.
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Israel Prepares for Possible Attack by Hijacked Malaysian Plane
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/16/Israel-Prepares-for-Attack-by-Hijacked-Malaysian-Plane
Israel is on guard for for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. It could be used as a weapon.
I think it was hijacked. Now the hijackers have 200+ hostages and a fully-loaded plane.
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I think it was hijacked. Now the hijackers have 200+ hostages and a fully-loaded plane.
I think that too.
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I think it was hijacked. Now the hijackers have 200+ hostages and a fully-loaded plane.
I kinda doubt they kept the passengers as hostages. I'd just about bet the mortgage that there's now about 40,000 pounds of worm food buried in the desert somewhere.
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I kinda doubt they kept the passengers as hostages. I'd just about bet the mortgage that there's now about 40,000 pounds of worm food buried in the desert somewhere.
They may have found a few willing people among the passengers to help them.
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Yeah, but the transponders that were tracked for 7 hours after contact was lost--do they come on when the plane is powered up? And, are they plane-specific? What I'm getting at here is this--would someone know if the plane came back up 'on the net,' as soon as it did?
The engines have their own monitoring system in the tach generator. As far as transponders, they would have to have the codes to change the AC identifiers and software in the computer. As soon as they turned them on in the air it would show the Malasian AC. If they flew it without the transponders every country with its own air force would be willing to shoot it down.
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Are there any countries besides North Korea and Iran that would be willing to cooperate with the hijackers and let them land?
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Are there any countries besides North Korea and Iran that would be willing to cooperate with the hijackers and let them land?
Somalia and Iran come to mind.
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Somalia and Iran come to mind.
Pakistan.
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Two MILLION square miles to be searched, 26 countries involved - and still not a trace of Flight MH370: hunt for the missing plane stretches from Kazakhstan to Southern Ocean
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582326/From-islands-Indonesia-steppe-Kazakhstan-Hunt-missing-flight-MH370-switches-land-covers-ELEVEN-countries.html
Australia has taken the lead in the hunt for the missing Boeing 777 over the southern Indian Ocean as the list of countries providing assistance rose to 26 today.
The move came as Malaysia's transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein revealed that two million square miles still need to be searched.
Malaysia has appealed for radar data and search planes to help in the unprecedented hunt through a vast swath of Asia stretching north-west into Kazakhstan.
Talk about finding a needle in a haystack.
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I kinda doubt they kept the passengers as hostages. I'd just about bet the mortgage that there's now about 40,000 pounds of worm food buried in the desert somewhere.
^^^^ This. If I were a betting woman, I'd bet they turned off the O2 into the cabin fairly.
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I gotta say, I agree with TXRadioGuy. I'm betting Iran, with the 777, in Mecca...
Either than or it's Professor Plum with the candlestick in the billiard room..
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Heard on the radio awhile ago that Al-kitem and Bin Laden have wanted for a long time to capture a civilian airliner to use in a spectacular attack.
I expect Big Bomb Airways will soon take to the air.....with a slogan of "Fly the piece full skies of Islam".
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^^^^ This. If I were a betting woman, I'd bet they turned off the O2 into the cabin fairly.
Only because people in various stages of oxygen deprivation are easier to control/get rid of in the name of Allah, than people who are fully conscious and pissed because they don't know where they are, but they sure as hell know that Beijing doesn't look even a little like Allah's little hellish sandbox.
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Maldives island residents report sighting of 'low flying jet'
http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062
Residents of the remote Maldives island of Kuda Huvadhoo in Dhaal Atoll have reported seeing a "low flying jumbo jet" on the morning of the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.
Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a "low flying jumbo jet" at around 6:15am on March 8.
They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.
Possible sighting over Maldives. I wonder if the airplane was heading towards Somalia.
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I've been wondering about something. There were reports of the craft reaching over 40,000 feet before plunging to 5000 feet in a very short time.
If the flight crew depressurized the passenger cabin and did this kind of maneuver, before leveling out at a lower altitude to avoid detection, would that help to incapacitate the passengers or at least make them very submissive?
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I've been wondering about something. There were reports of the craft reaching over 40,000 feet before plunging to 5000 feet in a very short time.
If the flight crew depressurized the passenger cabin and did this kind of maneuver, before leveling out at a lower altitude to avoid detection, would that help to incapacitate the passengers or at least make them very submissive?
It would kill them.
From another flight:
Following the depressurization, the pilots did not receive supplemental oxygen in sufficient time and/or adequate concentration to avoid hypoxia and incapacitation. The wreckage indicated that the oxygen bottle pressure regulator/shutoff valve was open on the accident flight. Further, although one flight crew mask hose connector was found in the wreckage disconnected from its valve receptacle (the other connector was not recovered), damage to the recovered connector and both receptacles was consistent with both flight crew masks having been connected to the airplane's oxygen supply lines at the time of impact. In addition, both flight crew mask microphones were found plugged into their respective crew microphone jacks. Therefore, assuming the oxygen bottle contained an adequate supply of oxygen, supplemental oxygen should have been available to both pilots' oxygen masks.
With everything else the hijackers were able to do- disabling the passenger's oxymasks is not too farfetched.
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It would kill them.
From another flight:
Following the depressurization, the pilots did not receive supplemental oxygen in sufficient time and/or adequate concentration to avoid hypoxia and incapacitation. The wreckage indicated that the oxygen bottle pressure regulator/shutoff valve was open on the accident flight. Further, although one flight crew mask hose connector was found in the wreckage disconnected from its valve receptacle (the other connector was not recovered), damage to the recovered connector and both receptacles was consistent with both flight crew masks having been connected to the airplane's oxygen supply lines at the time of impact. In addition, both flight crew mask microphones were found plugged into their respective crew microphone jacks. Therefore, assuming the oxygen bottle contained an adequate supply of oxygen, supplemental oxygen should have been available to both pilots' oxygen masks.
With everything else the hijackers were able to do- disabling the passenger's oxymasks is not too farfetched.
That would have made it easier for the flight crew, if they were involved in this to do whatever they wanted.
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Looks like they may have found debris near Australia.
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Looks like they may have found debris near Australia.
The Australian PM is hedging his bets, though.
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The Australian PM is hedging his bets, though.
One piece 78 meters and another large piece with debris field.
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One piece 78 meters and another large piece with debris field.
Any Muslim ships in the area recently that could have dropped of some misleading hunk of debris to mislead searchers from the real area? :tinfoil2:
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Then this debris is appearing three thousand miles from the plane's last known location.
Pakistan.
Yeah, that's the country I keep hearing about. They deny it, but they always deny.
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Then this debris is appearing three thousand miles from the plane's last known location.
Yeah, that's the country I keep hearing about. They deny it, but they always deny.
We knew they had bin Ladin since 2009. Barry won't do anything.
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One piece 78 meters and another large piece with debris field.
24 meters, but @78 feet.
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My friends called me a bigot cause I told them I wouldn't take a plane with a Muslim pilot. Oh well. I'll be a bigot, and I'll still be alive.
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24 meters, but @78 feet.
Thanks. Mascara man said 78 meters and I didn't stop to think just how big that would be.
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Thanks. Mascara man said 78 meters and I didn't stop to think just how big that would be.
And....well, you know.......is a foot.
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Retired General Tom McInerny just said on Fox News that sources at Boeing and one of his own sources says the missing B777 is in Pakistan.
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Retired General Tom McInerny just said on Fox News that sources at Boeing and one of his own sources says the missing B777 is in Pakistan.
Well, at least we know where CNN's black hole empties out.
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Well, at least we know where CNN's black hole empties out.
Sounds more like a "Worm Hole" to me.....a Mooseslime worm hole.
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Retired General Tom McInerny just said on Fox News that sources at Boeing and one of his own sources says the missing B777 is in Pakistan.
I heard that.....he hints that he has inside information.
One of the things he mentioned was that our government has a lot of censors in that area.
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Here's the latest stuff:
New satellite data reveals that missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 "ended" its journey in a "remote location" of the southern Indian Ocean, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said today.
"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean," a somber Razak said during a media briefing.
The jet vanished on March 8 with 239 people on board after it took off from Kuala Lampur bound for Beijing.
The announcement follows weeks of searches that spanned the South China Sea, Strait of Malacca and finally the south Indian Ocean off of Australia as authorities tried to figure out what happened to the plane.
The new information came from British satellite maker Inmarsat, which used a new type of analysis never before used to try and pinpoint the plane's last known location, Razak said.
"[Inmarsat] has been performing calculations on the data using type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort and they have been able to shed more light on MH370. Based on the new analysis, Inmarsat and the [British] Accidents Investigation Branch have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor and that it's last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth," Razak said.
He noted that Malaysia Airlines had already been in touch with the families of the 289 people on board, saying that he knew the past few weeks had been "heartbreaking" for them and that this latest development must be harder still.
The airlines sent a text message to the families, who reacted to the grim news by screaming and crying knowing that their loved ones likely died in a crash.
http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1
I've stayed pretty much away from all the speculation and whodunit on this story, but if anybody believes the Malaysian PM I've got some swamp land in Arizona to sell you...
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I think he's full of shit. He knows as much as anyone else, which is jack.
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I think he's full of shit. He knows as much as anyone else, which is jack.
I don't know about that. Malaysia seems to have intentionally mislead people at times.
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The new information came from British satellite maker Inmarsat, which used a new type of analysis never before used to try and pinpoint the plane's last known location
Never before done? How reliable is that?
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Never before done? How reliable is that?
Probably about as reliable as CNN's psychic. :whatever:
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Never before done? How reliable is that?
As reliable as a DUmmie's promise.