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Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/07/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-plane-carrying-23-people/



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Malaysia Airlines says it has lost contact with a plane with 239 aboard travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The airline said in a statement early Saturday it was attempting to locate the Boeing 777 after it lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2:40 a.m. It was scheduled to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m.

China's state-run news agency Xinhua reported the plane was lost in airspace controlled by Vietnam, and did not make contact with Chinese air traffic controllers. China is assisting the airline in its search for the plane, Xinhua said.

This is a red eye flight. Must be scary for this to happen. Probably crashed.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2014, 08:10:31 PM »
They have Muslims in Malaysia.....I/m going with disgruntled youts.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2014, 08:20:51 PM »
They have Muslims in Malaysia.....I/m going with disgruntled youts.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2014, 08:45:43 PM »
They have Muslims in Malaysia.....

My first thought too.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2014, 10:42:50 PM »
Crash: Malaysia B772 over Gulf of Thailand on Mar 8th 2014, aircraft missing
http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

This caught my attention.

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According to The Aviation Herald's radar data the aircraft was last regularly seen at 17:22Z (01:22L) about half way between Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) at FL350 over the Gulf of Thailand about 260nm northnortheast of Kuala Lumpur and 160nm northeast of Kota Bharu 40 minutes into the flight, followed by anomalies in the radar data of the aircraft over the next minute (the anomalies may be related to the aircraft but could also be caused by the aircraft leaving the range of the receiver).

Aviation sources in China report that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. The aircraft was estimated to contact Ho Chi Minh Control Center (Vietnam) at 01:20L, but contact was never established.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2014, 07:24:52 AM »
Air France all over again.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2014, 08:27:38 AM »
The Vietnamese Air Force has spotted two 'oil slicks' which are consistent with two fuel tanks of a crashed airliner.  Apparently, the Malasyian government has sent 15 aircraft and 9 ships to the area for the search.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2014, 10:28:15 AM »
Stolen European passports on missing plane
http://news.yahoo.com/stolen-european-passports-missing-plane-150519884.html;_ylt=AwrBEiJtMxtTYW8AUjTQtDMD

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MILAN (AP) — Foreign ministry officials in Rome and Vienna confirm that names of two nationals listed on the manifest of the missing Malaysian airlines flight match passports reported stolen in Thailand.

Stolen passports have turned up. This could be terrorism.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2014, 11:47:00 AM »
This could be terrorism.

Could be?  I would bet on it. 

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Could be?  I would bet on it. 

Both pilots are Muslim. The 1st Officer is 27 years old. The plane did a sharp 700 foot drop on altitude change along with a sudden course change.

IMO that sounds like a struggle for control of the plane in the cockpit.

I'd bet on terrorism too.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2014, 12:09:27 PM »
Both pilots are Muslim. The 1st Officer is 27 years old. The plane did a sharp 700 foot drop on altitude change along with a sudden course change.

IMO that sounds like a struggle for control of the plane in the cockpit.

I'd bet on terrorism too.

Years ago there was a Saudi pilot that took the plane down off of our east coast.  That was before 9/11, and they called it a suicide.

But he was yelling "allah Akbar" at the same time.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2014, 12:53:42 PM »
Could be?  I would bet on it.  



Both pilots are Muslim. The 1st Officer is 27 years old. The plane did a sharp 700 foot drop on altitude change along with a sudden course change.

IMO that sounds like a struggle for control of the plane in the cockpit.

I'd bet on terrorism too.

I wonder about the people with the stolen passport. I am thinking a bombing took place, where the terrorists detonated it.

I know Egypt Air Flight 990 crashed after the pilot caused it to crash in 1999.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2014, 02:01:33 PM »
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Nearly two years before the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Egypt Air Flight 990 took off from Kennedy Airport bound for Cairo and inexplicably crashed into the Atlantic off Nantucket, Mass., killing all 217 aboard.

U.S. investigators determined the relief co-pilot, Gamil el-Batouty, deliberately crashed the plane. Those findings were released just five months before Sept. 11.

Batouty’s last words, according to investigators, were in the form of Muslim prayer in Arabic: “I rely on Allah.” He said it 11 times before the aircraft began its sudden descent from 33,000 feet to 16,000 feet.

The auto-pilot was switched off before the steep dive and both engines were shut off. Mechanical failure was ruled out.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2014, 10:41:22 PM »
I expect almost ALL of Malaysia Air's pilots and cabin crew are Muslim, and have been for decades; the Egypt Air thing never was clear as to whether it was a suicidal guy in the cockpit (And the theory on that was suicidal, not jihadi) or whether things were going to shit and he was just praying for all he was worth.

Terrorism looks like a very strong possibility, though.  The stolen passports are pretty suspicious and may very well indicate terrorism, but it's just as possible that it was terrorism but unrelated to those particular passports.  I'm pretty sure that in that corner of the world it's not difficult to find a few people on almost any given airliner who are traveling on stolen passports and fake identities...SE Asia and China are rife with criminal networks and identity theft, after all.   
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2014, 09:29:50 PM »
Missing Malaysian jet may have disintegrated in mid-air: source
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140309

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Malaysia's state news agency quoted Home Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi as saying the passengers using the stolen European passports were of Asian appearance, and criticizing border officials who let them through.

"I am still perturbed. Can't these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian (passport holders) but with Asian faces," he was quoted as saying late on Sunday.

I wonder if those two people with fake passports have been tracked as potential terrorists.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2014, 10:31:28 PM »
Malaysia has been a hotbed of terrorism for many years. A friend of mine in St Louis travelled extensively. She was very bummed out when a trip sponsored by the St Louis Zoo was cancelled because of the threat of terrorism---and that was before 9-11. It's not a vacation destination target for me---even a free trip.

My bet is on terrorism.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2014, 10:36:33 PM »
Missing Malaysian jet may have disintegrated in mid-air: source
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140309

I wonder if those two people with fake passports have been tracked as potential terrorists.

I'm sure they are at the top of the list as suspects.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2014, 11:35:38 PM »
Since this flight was bound for Beijing, you have to wonder if there is any tie to this.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2014, 12:06:56 AM »
One of the greatest pleasures I had as a flight line jet engine mechanic was to get the first sortie off the ground and then go to the ACMI facility and watch the fun.

This big fat 777 was at 35,000 ft, made a turn back and then disappeared from radar?

I call bullshit.

They tracked it it making a turn and then nothing?

I'm not on board with that, that plane could have been blown in half and they could have tracked it nearly to the deck
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2014, 09:13:17 PM »
'One of two men who boarded doomed Air Malaysia flight on a stolen passport looked like Mario Balotelli': Authorities reveal key clue as they hunt Kazem Ali, mystery Iranian businessman who booked their tickets
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577185/Missing-Malaysia-flight-Probe-5-passengers-checked-never-boarded.html

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Authorities have revealed one of the two men who used stolen passports to board the missing Malaysian Airlines plane looked like Mario Balotelli.

As it emerged an Iranian businessman named by Thai officials as Kazem Ali was understood to have booked the tickets for the two passengers using the stolen passports, the men who boarded the plane were said to have not been of 'Asian appearance'.

It appears an Iranian bought the tickets for those two who had the stolen passports.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2014, 09:23:57 PM »
'One of two men who boarded doomed Air Malaysia flight on a stolen passport looked like Mario Balotelli': Authorities reveal key clue as they hunt Kazem Ali, mystery Iranian businessman who booked their tickets
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577185/Missing-Malaysia-flight-Probe-5-passengers-checked-never-boarded.html

It appears an Iranian bought the tickets for those two who had the stolen passports.

Two passports from unrelated people who didn't know each other, yet tickets were booked at the same time from/by the same person.  Yeah, that makes me suspect the Amish are behind this.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2014, 10:21:12 PM »
One of the greatest pleasures I had as a flight line jet engine mechanic was to get the first sortie off the ground and then go to the ACMI facility and watch the fun.

This big fat 777 was at 35,000 ft, made a turn back and then disappeared from radar?

I call bullshit.

They tracked it it making a turn and then nothing?

I'm not on board with that, that plane could have been blown in half and they could have tracked it nearly to the deck

I have to agree with this. I watch a lot of episodes of Air Crash Investigations and Seconds From Disaster on YouTube and every time they show an aircraft come apart at high altitude the radar does track the pieces as the fall to earth. It would have to be a very powerful explosive to reduce a 777 to pieces small enough to avoid showing up on radar.
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2014, 11:54:00 PM »
The Columbia debris was seen on radar.  A wide swath across Texas.

I can't come up with a single explanation for what happened to the plane that makes sense provided all the information we have been given is true.  Planes just don't spontaneously disintegrate into nothingness.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2014, 09:06:41 AM »
Supposedly, the search has expanded to include a large area on the other side of Malaysia.  One of the theories why the 777 was seen on military radar on the northeast side of Malaysia is that the navigation systems went out, and the pilots were trying to pick up the coast of Malaysia to guide them back to Kuala Lampur.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2014, 10:37:15 AM »
If their navigation system was out, couldn't they still use a cell phone?

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