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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2014, 10:42:01 AM »
Quote from: Dori on March 11, 2014, 10:37:15 AM
If their navigation system was out, couldn't they still use a cell phone?



Out over the ocean? Sure, they place cell towers there all the time.  :thatsright:
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2014, 10:52:00 AM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on March 11, 2014, 10:42:01 AM
Out over the ocean? Sure, they place cell towers there all the time.  :thatsright:

Oh, right.  

How far away will the towers work?



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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2014, 10:55:33 AM »
Quote from: Dori on March 11, 2014, 10:52:00 AM
Oh, right.   

How far away will the towers work?





Not very.  It's not my field of expertise, per se, but the best range numbers I've heard from a digital cell tower is about 2-3 miles. A lot will depend on the terrain, elevation, and the like.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2014, 10:55:58 AM »
Quote from: Dori on March 11, 2014, 10:52:00 AM
Oh, right.  

How far away will the towers work?


C'mon, Dori. Don't be a DUmmie.

Google is your friend. Look it up.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2014, 11:34:27 AM »
Quote from: Eupher on March 11, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
C'mon, Dori. Don't be a DUmmie.

Google is your friend. Look it up.

Well I am a dummy when it comes to what makes cell phones work. 

So are you saying you don't know either?   :-)
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2014, 11:41:33 AM »
Quote from: Dori on March 11, 2014, 11:34:27 AM
Well I am a dummy when it comes to what makes cell phones work. 

So are you saying you don't know either?   :-)

Bitchslap for trying to put words in my mouth.

No, I'm saying LOOK IT UP.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2014, 12:33:53 PM »
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2014, 12:45:34 PM »
Dori,

There is no way to know how far out the phone would work without knowing several things that we can't know.

1)  The provider
2)  Many providers turn transmission power down at night.
3)  The power that particular provider broadcasts at in the region.

During the daytime, most broadcast at a range of 45 miles.  Being in the air as the plane was, it would receive the full 45 miles as there aren't any obstacles to limit the range.  

I don't know anything about Malaysia airlines, but it would seem to me there would be satellite phones on board for emergency use if not customer use at a premium.  Satellite phones use a satellite to connect to a cellular tower; thus would work in the middle of the ocean.  It would also solve the tower hop problem that would occur with regular cellphones which is another reason I'd think airlines would have them installed on planes.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2014, 06:01:36 PM »
Quote from: Purple Sage on March 11, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
Dori,

There is no way to know how far out the phone would work without knowing several things that we can't know.

1)  The provider
2)  Many providers turn transmission power down at night.
3)  The power that particular provider broadcasts at in the region.

During the daytime, most broadcast at a range of 45 miles.  Being in the air as the plane was, it would receive the full 45 miles as there aren't any obstacles to limit the range.  

I don't know anything about Malaysia airlines, but it would seem to me there would be satellite phones on board for emergency use if not customer use at a premium.  Satellite phones use a satellite to connect to a cellular tower; thus would work in the middle of the ocean.  It would also solve the tower hop problem that would occur with regular cellphones which is another reason I'd think airlines would have them installed on planes.

Thanks, that helps a lot.  I did try to google it, but still came up with :???: 










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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2014, 06:08:02 PM »
Quote from: SaintLouieWoman on March 09, 2014, 10:31:28 PM
Malaysia has been a hotbed of terrorism for many years. A friend of mine in St Louis travelled extensively. She was very bummed out when a trip sponsored by the St Louis Zoo was cancelled because of the threat of terrorism---and that was before 9-11. It's not a vacation destination target for me---even a free trip.

My bet is on terrorism.

The problem with that is that terrorists want to BREED TERROR!  No one has stepped forward to take "credit" for this event and if they did they would point to the proof.

Quiet terrorism is a non sequituer.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2014, 06:44:40 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003b on March 11, 2014, 06:08:02 PM
Quiet terrorism is a non sequituer.

Oh, I don't know about that, someone or something just thiefed away 293 passengers and a Boeing 777.

I find that disquieting.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2014, 06:47:16 PM »
Quote from: EagleKeeper on March 11, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
Oh, I don't know about that, someone or something just thiefed away 293 passengers and a Boeing 777.

I find that disquieting.

That is the issue -- disquiet<>loud and terror is loud....
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2014, 06:52:59 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003b on March 11, 2014, 06:47:16 PM
That is the issue -- disquiet<>loud and terror is loud....


Ok, I'll take your for it.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2014, 06:26:36 AM »
I've had a nagging thought bothering me for a while.

1) The plane is hundreds of miles off course.
2) The muslims in question are Iranian nationals.
3) The professionalism of the job.

My thought is the plane was hijacked, not destroyed. The passengers forced off and killed. The plane might be repainted to look like an American or an Israeli Jet. Then Iran uses it as a delivery system to detonate a nuke over a major city.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2014, 07:43:50 AM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on March 12, 2014, 06:26:36 AM
I've had a nagging thought bothering me for a while.

1) The plane is hundreds of miles off course.
2) The muslims in question are Iranian nationals.
3) The professionalism of the job.

My thought is the plane was hijacked, not destroyed. The passengers forced off and killed. The plane might be repainted to look like an American or an Israeli Jet. Then Iran uses it as a delivery system to detonate a nuke over a major city.

Add this to your list of nagging thoughts:

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Relatives Say Passenger Cellphones Are Still Online. Relatives have been saying they can call passenger cellphones, which are still online; they say that accounts are still showing up on the Chinese instant messenger service QQ.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/11/9-odd-facts-Malaysian-Flight

There's no way in hell those phones would still be on if that 777 was under water or blown into a million bits.

Instead of using all that damn spy tech on their own people...the NSA....NRO...CIA had better start looking at runways within the flight distances of that aircraft and see where that big ass Boeing is being hidden.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2014, 07:45:35 AM »
Also something to think about...if the plane blew up or went down...then why aren't the locator beacons from the black boxes going off?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2014, 08:01:52 AM »
Two other things that are interesting from CNN:

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Air traffic controllers in Subang, outside Kuala Lumpur, lost contact with the plane over the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam. A senior Malaysian Air Force official said Tuesday that radar tracking detected the flight an hour and 10 minutes later over the very small island of Pulau Perak, in the Strait of Malacca. This is hundreds of miles off course, traveling in the opposite direction from its original destination. Other Malaysian authorities have reportedly denied the military official's claim.


The plane had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/10/world/asia/malaysia-plane-scenarios/index.html
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2014, 10:05:55 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 12, 2014, 08:01:52 AM
Two other things that are interesting from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/10/world/asia/malaysia-plane-scenarios/index.html
Just guessing....Muslim hijackers couldn't find there target, got lost, died for naught....no virgins for them.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2014, 10:30:19 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on March 12, 2014, 10:05:55 AM
Just guessing....Muslim hijackers couldn't find there target, got lost, died for naught....no virgins for them.

Alternate theory, plane flown to nation state known for sponsoring terrorism that is well within the flight range for that plane. 
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2014, 10:33:05 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 12, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
Alternate theory, plane flown to nation state known for sponsoring terrorism that is well within the flight range for that plane. 

Not beyond the scope. Most of the eastern hemisphere is within the range of a 777 originating from that area.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2014, 10:34:27 AM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on March 12, 2014, 10:33:05 AM
Not beyond the scope. Most of the eastern hemisphere is within the range of a 777 originating from that area.

Max range of the 777-200 = 8,900 miles

Distance to Tehran = 3,600 miles


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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2014, 10:39:03 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 12, 2014, 10:34:27 AM
Max range of the 777-200 = 8,900 miles

Distance to Tehran = 3,600 miles


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Now calculate the number of nukes required to turn Iran into a glow in the dark swimming pool.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #47 on: March 12, 2014, 10:40:37 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on March 12, 2014, 10:39:03 AM
Now calculate the number of nukes required to turn Iran into a glow in the dark swimming pool.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2014, 10:41:22 AM »
Quote from: freedumb2003b on March 11, 2014, 06:08:02 PM
The problem with that is that terrorists want to BREED TERROR!  No one has stepped forward to take "credit" for this event and if they did they would point to the proof.

Quiet terrorism is a non sequituer.


Actually, not true.  

http://www.ibtimes.com/obscure-group-northwestern-china-chinese-martyrs-brigade-claims-responsibility-missing-malaysia

They're CLAIMING responsibility.  However, claiming it and actually doing it...
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2014, 11:26:45 AM »
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Actually, not true.  

http://www.ibtimes.com/obscure-group-northwestern-china-chinese-martyrs-brigade-claims-responsibility-missing-malaysia

They're CLAIMING responsibility.  However, claiming it and actually doing it...

Eh...it's not loud enough, it must be loud.
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