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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on January 19, 2014, 12:02:07 AM
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This is a poll merely to check public sentiment, not to make any changes to the policies and practices of conservativecave.
Should primitives be allowed to register and post here?
The policy of conservativecave is that anyone is allowed to register and post here, unless and until such time that the member proves rude, disruptive, or in other ways malicious.
I, personally, think it's the only policy possible.
However, occasionally there seems discontent in our ranks, that a primitive's among us.
I, personally, think it's an exaggerated problem, because primitives never seem to last long here.
Which flummoxes me, because on this side, our moles appear to enjoy long life-spans on Skins's island--several years, tens of thousands of posts--gaining access into the most-secret chambers of Skins's island, the darkest secrets of the primitives.
We succeed because our moles are cordial to, and respectful of, the bona fide primitives.
The latest primitive coming here and not lasting long, is of course franksolich's now-evaporated literary muse.
I feel as if I'd set out on a date that was to last until midnight, but it was already over before the main course was served, say, circa 6:30 p.m., when she abruptly walks out--in what one'd hoped to be an, uh, interesting evening.
I surely hope any primitive coming here to register and comment--and there's nothing holding any of them back; the door's not locked or anything--first takes the time to read Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, so that the primitive can hang around longer.
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Primitives are fine due to their entertainment value. Moles no. Whack-a-mole is almost as entertaining as "enlightening" a professed primitive.
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I said Not Sure since there wasn't an I Don't Care option.
Edit: You know, that sounded kind of snippy. I mean that it doesn't matter to me whether they post or not. I can always row over there to read their insanity. Sometimes they become very tiring when they post here. In the end, it doesn't matter to me either way.
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You overlooked a category.
As for primitives, they should be allowed...with the same exact online name they use from the DUmp. They should have to be transparent in that fashion, as their messiah would say. Add to that, there's no reason for them to attempt subterfuge. It would be discovered in short order, it wouldn't accomplish anything of value to the DUmmy, and there's no downside for any admin action if they behave.
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Sure, why not.
Take our latest reincarnation. The only thing I got from PhDD out of pages and pages of her ramblings was that she really wanted to know who pintobean and some others were because they get under the skin of the feminazis. That message came through loud and clear. The rest was just the regular liberal talking points I can either read over there or see and hear watching Triumph of the Will.
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The only thing I got from PhDD out of pages and pages of her ramblings was that she really wanted to know who pintobean and some others were because they get under the skin of the feminazis.
I must've missed that, although I vaguely recall I'd been alerted that was what she was up to.
The pintobean primitive, who doesn't like us, is a nice guy, but light in the loafers, if you know what I mean.
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Sure, let them post, but I agree with obumazombie, they MUST register under the same name they use at the DUmp.
Even when they don't, we still find out who they really are. We always do. :naughty:
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I have no problem with it.
Interacting with them outside of the hive is the only way to determine who they really are
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Hell YA!. The more crazy liberal the better. It is the enjoyment of the deer in the headlight look and the image of their quick departure with a piece of paper floating in the air like in a bugs bunny cartoon.
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Sure,let them post as long as they engage in actual discourse...when it devolves into them throwing out talking points and refusing to address the stupidity of them then **** em.
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Sure why not. If anything else for the entertainment factor. Then again if you happen to run into a DUmmie with one brain cell still working, they may actually think about the company they have been keeping.
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Now that the Paulites seem to be on the wane, seems like DUmpsters are the only source of chew toys. Although they don't seem as durable as Ronulans, they provide a modicum of satisfaction. I likes me some chew toys.
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Absolutely.
One of my long standing criticisms of the DUmp, and one that exposes their incredible liberal hypocrisy, is that they don't allow Conservative rebuttals posted to contradict their tripe.
To Wit:
Liberals argue that private institutions such as country clubs and the like must be legally required to allow all people to join; they cannot exclude women, minorities, gays, transsexuals, green haired nudists, etc, because those institutions believe that such members may affect the camaraderie and harmony of their organization. However, they see nothing wrong with excluding members who hold conservative viewpoints to register and post at Democratic Underground because they may affect the camaraderie and harmony of DU.
In a decade of posing this question to various members of DU on different forums around the web, I have NEVER received an answer to this question:
If it is wrong for certain private organizations to restrict their membership to certain people, why is it OK for a private organization like DU to restrict its membership to certain people?
By allowing them to post here, Conservative Cave stays free from this type of abhorrent censorship and allows the free exchange of ideas, no matter how heated they may get.
DU cannot say the same. As a result, they are hypocrites of the most blatant and despicable kind.
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every cat needs a mouse to play with
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I voted "No".
As I've said before, when I log on here and find a post from a DUmp democrat, it's like coming home and finding your dog has shit on your brand new carpeting.
It's embarrassing how some folks here seem excited to trade comments with a DUmpmonkey.
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I'm fine with it, with one caveat. When we attack them with crude uncalled for remarks and name calling, then we don't look any better than they do.
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Absolutely.
One of my long standing criticisms of the DUmp, and one that exposes their incredible liberal hypocrisy, is that they don't allow Conservative rebuttals posted to contradict their tripe.
To Wit:
Liberals argue that private institutions such as country clubs and the like must be legally required to allow all people to join; they cannot exclude women, minorities, gays, transsexuals, green haired nudists, etc, because those institutions believe that such members may affect the camaraderie and harmony of their organization. However, they see nothing wrong with excluding members who hold conservative viewpoints to register and post at Democratic Underground because they may affect the camaraderie and harmony of DU.
In a decade of posing this question to various members of DU on different forums around the web, I have NEVER received an answer to this question:
If it is wrong for certain private organizations to restrict their membership to certain people, why is it OK for a private organization like DU to restrict its membership to certain people?
By allowing them to post here, Conservative Cave stays free from this type of abhorrent censorship and allows the free exchange of ideas, no matter how heated they may get.
DU cannot say the same. As a result, they are hypocrites of the most blatant and despicable kind.
All of that above. I agree with Gern.
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I like me some squeaky toys that I can laugh at...
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Yes.
Even if the first words off their keyboard is, "American troops are raping baby-killers."
I'd rather confront those idiots rather than ban them and give them a chance to say we were unable/too scared to refute their accusations.
I'm fine with it, with one caveat. When we attack them with crude uncalled for remarks and name calling, then we don't look any better than they do.
When I called PhDDs the c-word it was immediately after I told her playing the victim is a losing proposition and you should never let someone else's harsh opinion ruin your life.
IOW it was intentional within the context of what I wrote.
If she chose to allow the comment to ruin her ability to compete then she deserves her victim status; but if she moved past it then she proved my point that grievance mngering is chosen self-inflicted weakness.
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I voted "No".
As I've said before, when I log on here and find a post from a DUmp democrat, it's like coming home and finding your dog has shit on your brand new carpeting.
It's embarrassing how some folks here seem excited to trade comments with a DUmpmonkey.
What if we had a Dungeon forum where they were confined?
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What if we had a Dungeon forum where they were confined?
A solution worth of Solomon!
We already have the "Mind Numbing Stupidity" forum.
I'm sure the Paultards and Occupoopers would be willing to share their turf.
The DUmpster could then continue to fulfill its mission without being smeared and befouled by DUmpmonkeys squatting down and taking residence:
This is the section for bringing over illuminating posts from places like DU or other sites that specialize in liberal lunacy and other assorted shenanigans.
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I'm fine with it, with one caveat. When we attack them with crude uncalled for remarks and name calling, then we don't look any better than they do.
I understand what you say but when (as jugs did) one makes the statement that democrats don`t want redistribution of wealth it is hard to respond without calling lying stupidity and idiocy for what it is.
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Sure,let them post as long as they engage in actual discourse...when it devolves into them throwing out talking points and refusing to address the stupidity of them then **** em.
Yes, I agree. I would suggest a much shorter fuse. Discourse is the key. talk to us. being snarky, starting fights or mindless talking points repeated over and over should be Ban-worthy.
Anyone who reads their posts can tell after 20 or so if they are actually going to talk to us.
If a DUmmy tries coming here incognito, the mods should be free to change their handle to their DU name.
Bottom line for the Mannn: Discourse, or their out-chew toy or not.
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What if we had a Dungeon forum where they were confined?
A solution worth of Solomon!
We already have the "Mind Numbing Stupidity" forum.
I'm sure the Paultards and Occupoopers would be willing to share their turf.
The DUmpster could then continue to fulfill its mission without being smeared and befouled by DUmpmonkeys squatting down and taking residence:
YES! I like this, They cannot disrupt and take over threads all over the board and members who wish can avoid them.
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I don't have a problem with them posting here. Their membership at conservative sites is self-limiting because they don't do well in open debate, so they tend to avoid us, whereas conservatives will flock to liberal sites because it's so easy to take down their bullshit arguments (those that don't ban conservatives outright, that is).
Those few who are obvious trolls just here to spam the board and insult can be done away with quick enough.
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YES! I like this, They cannot disrupt and take over threads all over the board and members who wish can avoid them.
What would we call such a forum? Something that would irk them, I should think.
I nominate:
Club Twitmo
Gitmo: "Special" Persons Cellblock
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I voted YES.
As long as they follow all the rules, argue with reason and intelligence, are polite even overly so and don't start spouting DUMP crap.
Anti-spelunker / Bainsbane was doing OK until she was discovered or admitted to being one of the Man Haters DUmp Denizens. Then the floodgates got opened and the DUmp dementia started gushing out.
BTW, is Karin the only CC'er, evah, to be put on an IGNORE?
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You bet. It's instructive to the less initiated to actually interact with the primitives, if they have the intellectual honesty to come over here and
...debate.
Yeah, I know, that last part is kinda funny.
What would we call such a forum? Something that would irk them, I should think.
I nominate:
Club Twitmo
Gitmo: "Special" Persons Cellblock
I think you ultimately pegged them with "Romper Room". Too perfect.
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I voted YES.
As long as they follow all the rules, argue with reason and intelligence, are polite even overly so and don't start spouting DUMP crap.
Anti-spelunker / Bainsbane was doing OK until she was discovered or admitted to being one of the Man Haters DUmp Denizens. Then the floodgates got opened and the DUmp dementia started gushing out.
BTW, is Karin the only CC'er, evah, to be put on an IGNORE?
My apologies to Karin, it was actually Traveshamockery whom the Twin City Twit put on ignore.
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Most absolutely, and the idea of a special "playpen" forum is genius.
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I voted yes but I must admit that my first instinct on knowing that a DUmmie is in our midst is to become snarky and bitchy.
The most recent DUmmie brought that out in me, but I won't apologize for being mean to her. She deserved it.
:rant:
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I voted "Yes." I think it was fun when BainsBane came over here. I give her credit for doing so. I hope she's allowed back.
Here's why I think the DUmmies brave enough to post here should be allowed to do so:
1) For the entertainment value. It was fun having Jugs on here. It was fun doing the give-and-take with her. And it inspired me to write a parody.
2) To expose the weakness of their arguments. When I wrote, "You are a Democrat, which means you are in favor of Big Government and the forced redistribution of wealth," and I explained how, and then anti-spelunker Alex responded, "The Democratic Party does not favor redistribution of wealth"--without giving any answer to my points--that revealed the paucity of their thinking.
3) To show them that we teabaggers are decent and civilized people, that we don't have horns, and that we actually have reasons for our conservatism. I think this makes it harder for them to maintain their stereotype of us.
Conservatives cannot post at DU. Liberals cannot post at FR. I appreciate a place where we can take on the libs and talk to them.
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I voted yes but I must admit that my first instinct on knowing that a DUmmie is in our midst is to become snarky and bitchy.
*raises hand sheepishly*
I'll admit it: " Guilty."
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What would we call such a forum? Something that would irk them, I should think.
I nominate:
Club Twitmo
Gitmo: "Special" Persons Cellblock
I think you ultimately pegged them with "Romper Room". Too perfect.
I second (or third) the "Romper Room."
If the DUmmie behaves himself like the Las Vegas Leviathan, then he will be allowed to leave.
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I voted "Yes." I think it was fun when BainsBane came over here. I give her credit for doing so. I hope she's allowed back.
Here's why I think the DUmmies brave enough to post here should be allowed to do so:
1) For the entertainment value. It was fun having Jugs on here. It was fun doing the give-and-take with her. And it inspired me to write a parody.
2) To expose the weakness of their arguments. When I wrote, "You are a Democrat, which means you are in favor of Big Government and the forced redistribution of wealth," and I explained how, and then anti-spelunker Alex responded, "The Democratic Party does not favor redistribution of wealth"--without giving any answer to my points--that revealed the paucity of their thinking.
3) To show them that we teabaggers are decent and civilized people, that we don't have horns, and that we actually have reasons for our conservatism. I think this makes it harder for them to maintain their stereotype of us.
Conservatives cannot post at DU. Liberals cannot post at FR. I appreciate a place where we can take on the libs and talk to them.
I also voted yes.
I have no desire for CC to become an echo chamber. When the occasional DUmpmonkey succeeds in rowing that leaky dinghy from Skins' Island to the mainland, it gives us all an opportunity to keep our argumentative skills sharp. They invariably cry and run away, or melt down and get themselves banned, in short order.
I also agree with our well-spoken brothers and sisters here, that our willingness to allow dissent and confront DUmmitude are two things that demonstrate our superiority to the DUmbasses.
Bring 'em on. Pew, pew, pew.
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I voted Yes. Wholeheartedly.
I think the system that we currently operate under is the best we could hope for.
1) DUmbshits swim over from the Island to "school us" as to the errors of our eee-vil Rethuglikkkan ways.
2) They then run face-first into the Cuissinart blades of reality; having all of their most deeply cherished political theories stripped from their loving arms, thrown to the deck, and stomped into chunky paste with the golf cleats otherwise known as facts.
3) Shortly after this, they revert to the primitive DUmp monkies they truely are, abandoning reasoned debate for their more familiar persuasive tools of howling epithets, emotionally charged ad hominem attacks, and general all-around poo flinging.
4) At which point our very own Simon Cowell - that's _Chris - sweeps them off the stage toward their awaiting consolation prizes.
It's a bit of work for the admins, mostly in keeping an eye on the latest retard once the mask comes off, for when then take that fateful step over the TOS line, but it provides entertainment for those of us who mostly kick back and watch the carnage, and it also generates additional evidence for the record of how to be a progressive is to be a pathological liar, hypocrite and general low-life scumbag.
By all means, keep things as they are.
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I voted no... for the simple reason that I don't want to see dummies BS here.
Just my 2 cents. :cheersmate:
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I voted Yes. Wholeheartedly.
I think the system that we currently operate under is the best we could hope for.
1) DUmbshits swim over from the Island to "school us" as to the errors of our eee-vil Rethuglikkkan ways.
2) They then run face-first into the Cuissinart blades of reality; having all of their most deeply cherished political theories stripped from their loving arms, thrown to the deck, and stomped into chunky paste with the golf cleats otherwise known as facts.
3) Shortly after this, they revert to the primitive DUmp monkies they truely are, abandoning reasoned debate for their more familiar persuasive tools of howling epithets, emotionally charged ad hominem attacks, and general all-around poo flinging.
4) At which point our very own Simon Cowell - that's _Chris - sweeps them off the stage toward their awaiting consolation prizes.
It's a bit of work for the admins, mostly in keeping an eye on the latest retard once the mask comes off, for when then take that fateful step over the TOS line, but it provides entertainment for those of us who mostly kick back and watch the carnage, and it also generates additional evidence for the record of how to be a progressive is to be a pathological liar, hypocrite and general low-life scumbag.
By all means, keep things as they are.
Yeah, I tend to agree with D6's assessment. Gotta go vote 'yes.'
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I second (or third) the "Romper Room."
If the DUmmie behaves himself like the Las Vegas Leviathan, then he will be allowed to leave.
Rumper Room. :whistling:
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Yes. Barring them or IP blocking when it turns out that a new poster is an incognito DUmmtard just seem too much like DU's own closed-circuit groupthink, of which we make such happy mockery.
I also don't have any problem kicking them off as soon as they start to become uncivil or excessively annoying.
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I voted No.. Old age I guess.. Really shouldn't matter to me though..
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I'd rather DUmmies than Paulbots, but that's just me.
Gern has it right.
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I'd rather DUmmies than Paulbots, but that's just me.
Gern has it right.
Oh yeah. if it's a choice between the two, I vote for DUmmies. Paulbots need banning right away.
They are far worse than the most indoctrinated DUmmy any day.
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I voted yes.
"A blade that never sees a stone remains forever dull."
Heh, I just made that up...come on, that's good stuff !!
Anyway, I'm on deck with D6 and Gern.
Edit: I can't even get the spelling right on my own sayings.
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I voted yes.
"A blade that nevers sees a stone remains forever dull."
Heh, I just made that up...come on, that's good stuff !!
Anyway, I'm on deck with D6 and Gern.
(http://s9.postimg.org/lt4fs8073/wungfu.jpg)
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Are you trying to tell me that I didn't make that up?
Come on man, you just photosomthinged that!
I like it though, consider it thiefed.
Actually, fake outrage aside, I think this is brilliant... well I mean the photosomthing, I don't really hold myself in that high regard.
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I think the overwhelming point that was made was that we are NOT afraid of discussion of issues with anyone, as our arguments can withstand hurricanes. The reason they don't allow conservatives or non-screaming-yellow-zonker socialist moonbats on their site is because their own arguments cannot withstand a breeze put out by a butterfly fluttering its wings... in Brazil.
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Actually, fake outrage aside, I think this is brilliant... well I mean the photosomthing, I don't really hold myself in that high regard.
Lol...I photoshopped that in your honor. :-)
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Oh yeah. if it's a choice between the two, I vote for DUmmies. Paulbots need banning right away.
They are far worse than the most indoctrinated DUmmy any day.
Agree on the Paultards, but they're usually relegated to Mind Numbing Stupidity very quickly, until they reach offensive critical mass.
I think DUmp democrats should be handled the same way.
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Agree on the Paultards, but they're usually relegated to Mind Numbing Stupidity very quickly, until they reach offensive critical mass.
I think DUmp democrats should be handled the same way.
Actually, I've been thinking about the idea of a romper room.
The biggest problem I have with DUmmies having free reign is having to chase them all over the board.
I would enjoy an admin or two to chime in on how something like that might look.
Edit: As I continue to think about it, it might work as a model for $kimmers Island.
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I'm fine with it, with one caveat. When we attack them with crude uncalled for remarks and name calling, then we don't look any better than they do.
You have to understand. I Hate those "people". I have nothing civil to say to them.
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Continuing to think about the romper room, just spitballing.
1) Probies are relegated to the romper room for their first 25 posts.
2) The romper room is only visible to logged in members, including those relegated to the romper room.
3) If a thread is started by a probie and begins to wonder afield it can be locked without explanation, or with, it's up to the admin.
4) The idea of the romper room as I see it, is to keep the probie focused on it's OP, if it strays it is locked without explanation.
5) The rules should be clear, this is your chance DUmmies, don't screw it up by changing the subject. And by the same token, we have to follow the same rules or it's locked without comment.
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6) Cursing is prohibited, If cursing ensues the thread is locked with comment calling out the foul mouth, and the cursor gets the ban hammer.
7) If you don't like Internet arguments and are a member of CC stay out of the romper room.
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Continuing to think about the romper room, just spitballing.
1) Probies are relegated to the romper room for their first 25 posts.
2) The romper room is only visible to logged in members, including those relegated to the romper room.
3) If a thread is started by a probie and begins to wonder afield it can be locked without explanation, or with, it's up to the admin.
4) The idea of the romper room as I see it, is to keep the probie focused on it's OP, if it strays it is locked without explanation.
5) The rules should be clear, this is your chance DUmmies, don't screw it up by changing the subject. And by the same token, we have to follow the same rules or it's locked without comment.
I drift more toward fifty.
It's too easy to hit 25 with "kicks".
I would also restrict their ability to BS or H5.
DUmpmonkeys would get really upset if they couldn't retaliate.
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I drift more toward fifty.
It's too easy to hit 25 with "kicks".
I would also restrict their ability to BS or H5.
DUmpmonkeys would get really upset if they couldn't retaliate.
That's fine with me, I'm not going to quibble too much, I was just rolling the idea around in my head.
It's basically just a request for comment.
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That's fine with me, I'm not going to quibble too much, I was just rolling the idea around in my head.
It's basically just a request for comment.
Keep rolling that around. I think it has merit.
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Mostly I don't post or respond to their rants. However, sometimes I think this is just so obvious I will. So I do. Does it do good to mentally wrestle with a pig? Most time no but maybe one might just see some logic and truth. So I try. Not often but sometimes. Plus I think letting them have free speech is a good thing to just point out their fascist hive minds.
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Does it do good to mentally wrestle with a pig?
Good one.
Awesome.
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I vote yes. After all we don't want to do the same as the DUmp when it comes to people of an opposing view point from ours. Besides, they usually take themselves out with their actions, so why not let them for the entertainment value,
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If we don't allow them to post then they will get to try to mole over here. Then we will have to form a MILF to track them down and a jury system to handle us accusing each other of being moles.
Seems like we are handling them the right way now not withstanding Dori's misgivings.
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If we don't allow them to post then they will get to try to mole over here. Then we will have to form a MILF to track them down
"MIRT" is the DUmp Gestapo.
Freudian slip, I guess.
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"MIRT" is the DUmp Gestapo.
Freudian slip, I guess.
Running (bad) joke. In my defense Zombie thought it was mildly humorous.
Edit: SP
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Running (bad) joke. In my defense Zombie thought it was mildly humorous.
Edit: SP
Gobucks is a MILFist.
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As long as they behave, I don't have a problem with their being here. I agree with the point about them turning into moles otherwise.
For the most part they don't last long, and rapidly descend into pooh throwing...which is when they get banned. That seems a reasonable way to deal with them to me.
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If they try to mole, then we end up with DUmmy losers like Pretzel_Warrior/Washington Conservative that stick out like a sore thumb. A very, very stupid and silly sore thumb.
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To Lurking DUmmies: note we can discuss this openly, and have different opinions without undergoing a purge or feminazi-like bullying.
Too bad you can step outside the group-think and voice alternate opinions.
Freedom is a conservative value. Socialism is all about Tyranny.
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To Lurking DUmmies: note we can discuss this openly, and have different opinions without undergoing a purge or feminazi-like bullying.
Too bad you can step outside the group-think and voice alternate opinions.
Freedom is a conservative value. Socialism is all about Tyranny.
Racist.
:-)