Crap. I won't be around... I'm going out for dinner with some people from work tomorrow night.
Oh well. Thursday is just one day closer to Friday.
I hope it's another TKO for the "R" team... :popcorn:
Crap. I won't be around... I'm going out for dinner with some people from work tomorrow night.
Oh well. Thursday is just one day closer to Friday.
You and me both. I am really looking forward to it...Kyle, you da man!! :wink:
I will be posting the video on here when it is available. Just like I did with the obama/Romney debate.
I will be here with tassles on!!
I'm looking forward to seeing that! :naughty:
Super cool thing about this is Romney and Ryan are having a rally nearby tomorrow:) yea I'm considering going and taking my teen with:)
You should go. It will be a blast for both of you. I wish they would come to my area.
Rush had an interesting take on tonight's debate.
He warned that Biden is one of the meanest, sleaziest people out there. Biden traditionally starts a debate with fawning praise for his opponent, and then Biden will stab his opponent in the back.
It will sound like, "We're really lucky to have an up and comer like Paul Ryan here on the stage tonight. Paul is brilliant, well spoken...But Paul you're not ready yet. You don't know what you are talking about. The Tea Party is speaking for you. Darn it Paul, think for yourself. You're just a puppet."
Rush warned that Biden will pour out the sleaze, tonight. It will be nasty and evil.
Did anyone know the media get "swag bags" at these debates?
Tonight's bags include bourbon:
https://twitter.com/susanferrechio/status/256404841453215744 (https://twitter.com/susanferrechio/status/256404841453215744)
On direct orders from Biden.
I dunno about anybody else but--
Sure, sure, it's autumn out here on the eastern slope of the Sandhills, where everything looks much like Connecticut in autumn, the frost is on the pumpkin, the birds are flying south, blah blah blah.....
But for me, this debate this evening makes me feel as if Christmas is coming.
Damn, I should've stuck with my Journalism degree! :-)
November 6th will be Christmas come early. I can't wait to receive it ...
I think we should have a poll to see how many gaffes Biden makes tonight. That would be pants :lmao:
We're basing our drinking game on Joe's gaffes.
I'm betting Joe will have a brain freeze after about 30 minutes.
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Beer is on ice, chili on the stove, fellow caver on the way.....Gonna be a great night! :cheersmate:oh who is coming to cheer Ryan on with ya!!??
Howdy folks!
I'll be here tonight. Not any big expectations. Ryan will be fine.
I have a glass of wine standing by, however for Bumbles Boy gaffes - cheers! :cheersmate:
Please forgive me. I seemed to have used the word 'boy'. Sorry.
Oh wait - Biden is white, none whiter in fact. Okay it's not racissors. Whew. :-)
Dodged a BIG bullet on that one, Cat! :cheersmate:
The good thing is, this thread'll be here for your perusal the next morning.I'm back. That was a quick dinner.
I'm back. That was a quick dinner.
This pre-debate speechifying is annoying as all hell.
I are watching the Factor until it all starts. :) Won't watch MSNBC until it starts, but I'll certainly flip back, and fourth.
I are watching the Factor until it all starts. :) Won't watch MSNBC until it starts, but I'll certainly flip back, and fourth.I'm listening the audio feed from CSPAN as usual.
I'm going to be watching The Blaze. Then I'll flip over to PMSLSD for the flip out.Good idea. Oh, look, S E Cupp is on The Blaze... :sheshot:
What an ugly woman
Good idea. Oh, look, S E Cupp is on The Blaze... :sheshot:
What an ugly woman
Biden-blue
Ryan- red
@collegepolitico
No gaffes on the walk out. Biden already exceeding expectations!
They're sitting down.
I wonder if Biden had a peek at the questions in advance.
The moderator is challenging Ryan far more than Biden here.
Biden acts like he is about to lose it.
I started a little late, because I ate dinner first, but all I have to say is drink!
Anyone have BeBe as a take a drink word?
Domestic issues.
Bush's fault.
Domestic issues.
Bush's fault.
To me, because they're sitting, it doesn't seem as appropriate to look directly at the opponent. Both parties are addressing each other and the moderator quite nicely.
Biden is smiling and making side glances in a very arrogant way. I think undecideds will view this as confidence on this part. Ryan needs to get tougher.
"My friend" should be!
Is Bidet holding anything (pen, whatever) in his hand?
Is Bidet holding anything (pen, whatever) in his hand?
I designated it one a few pages back.
I am buzzing now.
Biden is such an arrogant prick. I would love to reach through the tv slap him..
Ryan is too loose here - He has to get a set!
You must be watching a different debate than I am because Ryan is being reasonable an Joe is acting like an ass.
Cindie
This is a disappointment so far. For me anyway.Me too.
What is it about Obama and Biden that they cant stop smirking?It's a diversionary tactic for when you have nothing to use as your defense.
Ryan is too relaxed. He needs to step on Biden. I am not seeing that .. He is hitting him with some good points. But he is not hitting him.
Okay, you're right...Joe's got this one.
Cindie
Biden makes a great point on Ryan requesting stimulus money on two occasions.
We're only one-third of the way through.
Bidet's gonna blow it.
Watch, wait, and see.
We're only one-third of the way through.
Bidet's gonna blow it.
Watch, wait, and see.
Okay, you're right...Joe's got this one.At least Ryan isn't crumbling like Lord O did last week.
Cindie
I hope you're right.
It's 2 against 1.Absolutely !!!
Even my liberal girlfriend is sitting here saying Biden looks like a putz with his laughter.
Biden makes a great point on Ryan requesting stimulus money on two occasions.
@DickMorrisTweet
She is not alternating Ryan and Biden but going to Biden more
Biden's laughing and grinning makes him look like he's got gas.
@hughhewitt
Veep has jumped shark...talking over Ryan not effective, Ryan composure is. #debate After Libya, This will be the story line
What's the point ?
That requested amount would be returned to the American people if Ryan didn't request it ?
Representatives aren't supposed to advocate for their constituents ?
The grants going to Michigan companies aren't as good as paybacks to Obama cronies ?
Moderator for the state is doing her masters' bidding tonight, that's for sure. She is letting Biden interrupt and while Ryan is making a point she changes the topic.
What a harridan.
@AnnCoulter
this is turning into a 2-man version of "the view"
Yes, that makes sense to you. I'm talking about average everyday Americans watching this. It seems kind of funny that Ryan spouted being against the stimulus and then Biden pointed out that he asked for stimulus money on two occasions. Most people don't follow the truth like you do. That's all I mean.
@AnnCoulterBoth Radditz and Biden a couple of bitches.
this is turning into a 2-man version of "the view"
@HeyTammyBruce
Liberals, the 50% of them still voting for these fools, may like this act, but Americans in general will not.
Biden is coming across like a total asshole.
I think the avg American is smart enough to realize that once congress has appropriated the funding, it's going to be spent so a congressman advocating for constituents is what they are elected to do.
@KristinaRibali
Sitting in a house with three independents. They find Biden very rude and bullish. Their words.
One of my dearest political friends just said, "Biden is alienating people being rude. Ryans doing fine."
This has to be the worst debate moderator that I've seen in my life time.
@AnnCoulter
I wonder why Ryan has a 40 pt lead with the military...
This is hardly a debate. It's more like "Try to get a word in between Joe and Martha".
@AnnCoulter
I wonder why Ryan has a 40 pt lead with the military...
@MarkSimoneNY
How you can tell when Biden is losing - Martha Raddatz will say "let's move on"
This has to be the worst debate moderator that I've seen in my life time.This is our reality, Ryan must debate the moderator and Biden.
@mattwolking: If joe biden was john mccain, thered be a zillion stories tomorrow about "is he unstable?"
This is our reality, Ryan must debate the moderator and Biden.
This will go as a big win for Biden. Hate to say this. But the media meme will be big win for Biden.
This will go as a big win for Biden. Hate to say this. But the media meme will be big win for Biden.Sure... when the debate turns into a soapbox for the administration. Where is the moderation here? This is as one-sided a debate I've seen in years.
@NoelSheppard
Biden looks like he's starting to get flustered. Smiles and laughs have stopped. Ryan needs to keep the heat on.
This is our reality, Ryan must debate the moderator and Biden.
@ByronYork
My guess: So many reporters asking 'How will voters respond to Biden's grinning/smiling?' because they sense reaction must be negative...
Sure... when the debate turns into a soapbox for the administration. Where is the moderation here? This is as one-sided a debate I've seen in years.
The CNN focus group of Independents aren't buying crazy uncles Joe's story.
Abortion is a Vice Presidential Debate?You know she had to put that out there.
BTW a majority of Americans are pro-life.
Abortion is a Vice Presidential Debate?
BTW a majority of Americans are pro-life.
Biden is Pro-Life but refuses to impose abortion on people?Standard operating procedure for rats. Take both sides of the issue.
Standard operating procedure for rats. Take both sides of the issue.
Translation: Biden wants to kill babies.
And now my liberal gf is mocking Biteme... Holy shit...
Red Alert Politicsâ€@RedAlert
Ryan on the Catholic church "If they agree with you, why do they keep suing you?"
Let's hope she is an indication of a broader feeling.
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Another good friend of mine:Yep. thats my view as well.
Good debate. I think these two fought pretty well. Ryan performed as I expected but I give Biden credit. He exceeded my expectations. Ryan was the adult at the table but Biden plays a pretty good emotional fiddle. Don't think this debate will move the needle much either way.
Yep. thats my view as well.
Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway: “Joe Biden’s laughing through talking about Iran sanctions?â€
TIME’s Michael Scherer: “Not sure debate cameras have been light tested for Biden’s teeth. Best to watch with sunglasses.â€
Washington Examiner’s Philip Klein: “Biden’s strategy seems to be to laugh at Ryan constantly. Will it work to infantalize Ryan, or backfire like Gore sighing?â€
NBC’s David Gregory: “Biden’s smile is out of control.â€
BuzzFeed’s Ben Smith: “So did Biden practice laughing at Ryan???â€
ABC’s Rick Klein: “Biden on verge of breaking down in laughter when Ryan talks.â€
Former Eric Cantor staffer Brad Dayspring: “Joe Biden needs to realize this isn’t a Senate Foreign Relations Hearing. His laughter and condescending attitude is a disaster.â€
Radio host Neal Boortz: “Looking like Biden’s gameplan is to laugh his way through this.â€
Townhall.com’s Guy Benson: “Will Biden laugh his ass off at the terrible economy, too?â€
MSNBC’s S.E. Cupp: “Biden needs to laugh a little less through the Libya, Middle East, nuclear Iran segment.â€
Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “Ok. I have decided. I find the Biden smile slightly unsettling.â€
PBS’ Jeff Greenfield: “Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate.â€
Washington Examiner’s Paul Bedard: “Can’t tell yet if Biden’s smirking, laughs, eye-rolling, head shaking, works for him or not against the oh-so-young looking eager Ryan.â€
Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer: “Biden is at risk of having his laugh come across like Gore’s sighs. He should knock it off.â€
The New York Times’ Ashley Parker: “Biden’s grin is Chesire Cat caliber.â€
Republican strategist Ron Bonjean: “Biden laughing does not come off with the intended effect. It is actually hurting him. Looks very condescending.â€
Movie critic Roger Ebert: “Joe! Stop smiling and laughing!â€
Washington Times’ Emily Miller: “Biden laughing when he disagrees with Ryan is so annoying. Like a child in time out.â€
Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin: “Biden’s laughing is losing the debate- obnoxiousâ€
Comedy Central’s Indecision: “If this keeps up much longer, Joe Biden’s going to sprain his laugh muscles.â€
Ryan was coming off like the adult in the room.
Another good friend of mine:
Good debate. I think these two fought pretty well. Ryan performed as I expected but I give Biden credit. He exceeded my expectations. Ryan was the adult at the table but Biden plays a pretty good emotional fiddle. Don't think this debate will move the needle much either way.
And now my liberal gf is mocking Biteme... Holy shit...
Holy crap!!! Did Biden actually say the judges Zero picked have NO AGENDA!?!?!?!?
I am not sure how to take this debate. Ryan was on point and didn't lie. Biden was off the hook and lied. But when it comes to thought processes, the polls might be swayed again. We will have to wait and see what happens.
I am not sure how to take this debate. Ryan was on point and didn't lie. Biden was off the hook and lied. But when it comes to thought processes, the polls might be swayed again. We will have to wait and see what happens.
Mannn's conclusion. The media will call it for Biden, but he came across as creepy and condescending.
Biden redeemed the Obama campaign with the home crowd but the numbers will not change.
Further this puts the onus on Obama to perform well next week. Romney is much more experienced than Ryan and will not let interruptions stop him.
I knew I liked your GF for a reason.
She is really smart, cute, and has the most awesome hair!!!
Joe Trippi said Biden had a strong debate but it was diminished by the smirking.
Trippi said it was condescending and over-done.
@GayPatriot
It appears women in CNN focus group viewed Biden as a creepy old man. We all knew that already.
@LadyFyreAZ
According to CNN undecided tracking. Women really don't like Biden. As a woman I couldn't agree more.
SloJoe looked like the grinning jackass he is. Will it cost him. Yes
Fox guy makes good point: On one hand Joe blames intel for Lybia then says we will know when Iran has a bomb. Which is it Joe?
Doesn't matter if the polls are swayed again. We still have 2 more debates and almost a month to go.
I believe that by November and word of how badly 0bama failed in Libya that we are gonna win.
At the very worst, this seems to have changed no minds.
However, perhaps it did, depending upon the perceptions of the undecideds and the slight-0bama-leaners, if the image of a competent adult Ryan and a babbling old senescent Joe was strong enough.
I don't think anybody changed from Romney to Barack Milhous tonight.
@LadyFyreAZ
According to CNN undecided tracking. Women really don't like Biden. As a woman I couldn't agree more.
@JacksonianLwyer
CNN also says Biden's behavior was condescending, dismissive and not helpful.
SloJoe looked like the grinning jackass he is. Will it cost him. Yes
Fox guy makes good point: On one hand Joe blames intel for Lybia then says we will know when Iran has a bomb. Which is it Joe?
Biden seemed unhinged.
@CNN Gergen gives debate to Ryan because Biden laughter. Castellanos says "they've should have taken Biden's gas a little earlier"
It just occurred to me that I think Biden won, but I was listening to the debate on Sirius. I bet the visuals make the difference.
I am hoping you are right ....
The people who love obama will love him more. The people who don't love obama will not love him anymore. The people who are on the fence? We will have to wait and see ..
On another note: Greta said that Biden is one of the nicest men in Washington. Whose side is she on?
It just occurred to me that I think Biden won, but I was listening to the debate on Sirius. I bet the visuals make the difference.
David Gergen: Ryan was calmer, more presidential. Gloria Borger: Biden was condescending to Paul Ryan.
She said both Ryan & Biden are the nicest guys in Washington.
His laughing and smirking would say otherwise. I found it highly offensive. How do you laugh through a serious discussion when it comes to nuclear weapons in the Middle East?I missed the faces and the smirking, but I heard the huffs and guffaws. Joe is a dick.
I am hoping you are right ....
The people who love obama will love him more. The people who don't love obama will not love him anymore. The people who are on the fence? We will have to wait and see ..
On another note: Greta said that Biden is one of the nicest men in Washington. Whose side is she on?
Yeah...
We need the Independents and way too many people are talking about the laughing and smirking.
Greta said she really likes both candidates but she also said Biden came off as awful.
Joe Trippi said Biden had a strong debate but it was diminished by the smirking.
Trippi said it was condescending and over-done.
@MarkSimoneNY
Even very biased Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC saying Biden lied numerous times about his voting record on Iraq & prescription drugs
CNN's account of debate speaking time (https://twitter.com/SamFeistCNN/status/256583920118792193): Biden at 41:32, Ryan at 40:12 per @SamFeistCNN #VPDebate #debates
@MarkSimoneNY
Even very biased Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC saying Biden lied numerous times about his voting record on Iraq & prescription drugs
Does it really matter though? Greta isn't going to determine this election based on who is nicer.
I think someone needs to buy this guy a new watch.
I think someone needs to buy this guy a new watch.
Ryan held his own. I think Biden's laughing hurt him.
Brit Hume seemed absolutely incensed at Biden's callous, rude behavior.
Mugging for the camera, laughing, gesturing, snarking, all of that. Ryan's appearance at times reminded me of a somewhat patient father dealing with a snotty 8-year old.
Dana Loesch â€@DLoesch
The same media who accused Romney of "bullying" Obama last week will be silent on Biden's behavior tonight. Watch. #vpdebate
I tried it listen to it over the internet, but Biden was so rude and nasty, I kept taking my headphones off.
At times it was a two against one contest. Martha was in the tank for Biden. The interruptions were over the top. I heard too, that Biden got 11 more minutes to talk than Ryan did.
Biden also interrupted over 80 times.96 times, to be exact. Ryan-6.
Hey this allowed me to separate some wheat from the chaff tonight on Facebook. I decided it was time to drop some acquaintances who mutually have no intention of having an actual friendship coupled with their sychofantix ass kissing of this administration(I'm not a liberal watcher like some here to even justify keeping them for observation alone lol) Itime to just cut the ropes and let a few things go. Ahh that felt good:)
I'm now sitting here watching one of my favorite movies - "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane" - eerily similar to the debate we just witnessed.
Guess which one has written a letter to daddy? :-)
Oh, I just LOVE that movie...Bette Davis is fabulous but Joan Crawford, man! The only movie she was better in was Mildred Pierce.
Cindie
Aaron Peña â€@AaronPena
RT @cdc444: AP Poll: Ryan 51% Biden 43%
Good work tonight.
Are you willing to do this next week again, hosting the official live thread for the second presidential debate?
CNN poll says Ryan won 48% to 44%
Jake Tapper â€@jaketapper
Top related Google searches for "Ryan" 1. Biden Debate 2. How Old Is 3. Shirtless 4. Workout // (I'm not joking)
It looks like people are taking Biden's attitude into account ...I know someone will tell me to lighten francis, ::), but in all seriousness, if he can laugh at joke at a vp debate, how does he view this country??....as a joke?? We ae in a recession, Mr Biden, at two wars, MR BIDEN, and all you can do is laugh and joke around?? I am sorry, but these issues are no laughing matter!! :rant: :rant:
Love this...(I think I'm having a conversation with myself but oh, well)!
It just occurred to me that I think Biden won, but I was listening to the debate on Sirius. I bet the visuals make the difference.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mzHAlwEK7a4[/youtube]
You know, I rarely go on facebook anymore. I kinda feel guilty when my sister says, "did you see what I posted on facebook?" But it just doesn't hold my interest the way it used to...too busy. CC, Twitter & Pinterest are pretty much my online hangouts. Breitbart for news I guess. but I don't participate. And Twitchy to see what the idiots are posting in 155 words or less.
Cindie
Love this...(I think I'm having a conversation with myself but oh, well)!
I think the debate was awful, Biden came across as an ass, he lied about Benghazi, his votes on Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Moderator didn't challenge him.
And listening to Steve Haynes now, he's saying that all people are talking about is Biden's demeanor and that's not good, also saying that he charged up his base.
Yeah OK he charged up a bunch of people who'll refuse to acknowledge that Biden lied BUT they don't need the base, the base will vote for them no matter what, they needed the Independents and Biden lost them. I just showed my non-political Husband the GOP Ad of Biden laughing, he said Biden looks like an idiot.
I think the debate was awful, Biden came across as an ass, he lied about Benghazi, his votes on Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Moderator didn't challenge him.
And listening to Steve Haynes now, he's saying that all people are talking about is Biden's demeanor and that's not good, also saying that he charged up his base.
Yeah OK he charged up a bunch of people who'll refuse to acknowledge that Biden lied BUT they don't need the base, the base will vote for them no matter what, they needed the Independents and Biden lost them. I just showed my non-political Husband the GOP Ad of Biden laughing, he said Biden looks like an idiot.
I suspect the fact checkers are going to have a field day with Biden's "data" and while Ryan wasn't quite as sharp as I thought he'd be, his decorum was head and shoulders above Biden's.
I'm surprised someone hasn't photoshopped white skin, green hair on Biden...
Seriously, that's the only thing I can remember of the debate. :mental:
Would've liked to seen Ryan be more... memorable, but I'm not sure how anybody could be more memorable than Joeker without jumping on the table and stripping.
My take on it all.
Ryan didn't win the debate. He was pretty tame and didn't make any lasting impressions. Ryan held his own and didn't do any damage to the RR campaign.
Biden, on the other hand, lost the debate. His constant interruptions became the focal point. Only the 17% moonbat electorate believes him to be the winner. I think(hope) that it will cost a couple of points in the polls.
All in all, as stated above, I don't think that Ryan won, bit then I don't think that he lost it either. That is a good thing.
Ryan didn't have a chance, imo. His decorum was above reproach, while Biden was laughing like a hyena!! The moderator didnt help much either, the liberal twit!!!Mrs. Genachowski should be barred from moderating any future debates. She was terrible.
Mrs. Genachowski should be barred from moderating any future debates. She was terrible.
Ryan didn't have a chance, imo. His decorum was above reproach, while Biden was laughing like a hyena!! The moderator didnt help much either, the liberal twit!!!
Ignoring everything about the substance of the debate, let us ask this question: with whom do we feel more comfortable as the man who is a "heartbeat" away from the presidency?
The growling, grinning, squinting, fantasizing, and occasionally spewing septuagenarian, or the calmer, reasonable, venomless, well-mannered 40-something?
Ignoring everything about the substance of the debate, let us ask this question: with whom do we feel more comfortable as the man who is a "heartbeat" away from the presidency?
The growling, grinning, squinting, fantasizing, and occasionally spewing septuagenarian, or the calmer, reasonable, venomless, well-mannered 40-something?
My take on it all.
Ryan didn't win the debate. He was pretty tame and didn't make any lasting impressions. Ryan held his own and didn't do any damage to the RR campaign.
Biden, on the other hand, lost the debate. His constant interruptions became the focal point. Only the 17% moonbat electorate believes him to be the winner. I think(hope) that it will cost a couple of points in the polls.
All in all, as stated above, I don't think that Ryan won, bit then I don't think that he lost it either. That is a good thing.
Good point plus the liberal media had a bone of contention with VP Cheney's health problems but absolutely none with Biden having had (2) brain surgeries.
With regard to the assault on the Catholic Church, let me make it absolutely clear. No religious institution — Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital — none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact. That is a fact.
This is not a fact.The HHS mandate contains a narrow, four-part exemption for certain “religious employers.†That exemption was made final in February and does not extend to “Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital,†or any other religious charity that offers its services to all, regardless of the faith of those served.
HHS has proposed an additional “accommodation†for religious organizations like these, which HHS itself describes as “non-exempt.†That proposal does not even potentially relieve these organizations from the obligation “to pay for contraception†and “to be a vehicle to get contraception.†They will have to serve as a vehicle, because they will still be forced to provide their employees with health coverage, and that coverage will still have to include sterilization, contraception, and abortifacients. They will have to pay for these things, because the premiums that the organizations (and their employees) are required to pay will still be applied, along with other funds, to cover the cost of these drugs and surgeries.