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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: mrclose on August 10, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
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Fox T.V. just broke into their regular broadcast with news that Mitt Romney will announce his Vice President running mate at 9 a.m. Saturday, August 10, 2012. It’s a sign that Republicans all over the country are drawing together.
This is particularly early. The republican party by tradition usually makes their announcement for VP with in four days of their national presidential convention.
The word is that Paul Ryan will get the nod; but at this point it is pure speculation as to who Mitt Romney will choose.
It is believed that Ryan, 42, will bring some youthful vigor to the Romney team. In addition, with several new poles showing Romney behind 7-9 points, Republicans hope his VP pick will give his campaign a 11 point bump in the polls.
Carl Cameron, interrupted the “Factor†to bring the exclusive breaking news.
http://guardianlv.com/2012/08/mitt-romney-will-announce-his-presidential-vp-choice-9am-saturday/
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OMG!
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Saturday is the 11th.
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OMG!
At Bally...OMG!! good or OMG..WTF is Romney thinking??
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It is believed that Ryan, 42, will bring some youthful vigor to the Romney team. In addition, with several new poles showing Romney behind 7-9 points, Republicans hope his VP pick will give his campaign a 11 point bump in the polls.
Yes, with a huge oversampling of Democrats, Romney is leading in Rasmussen and Gallup, if Obama was truly leading his campaign wouldn't be playing dirty.
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Ryan's a good choice in that he'll keep the hammer down on the piss-poor economy throughout the rest of the campaign. Finance is what he does and knows and he articulates the various issues very clearly and well.
Mittens could've done worse.
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At Bally...OMG!! good or OMG..WTF is Romney thinking??
OMG as in :censored: I'm so upset that it's Portman or Pawlenty, or OMG I'm so :yahoo: that it's Rubio, Martinez, Christie or Ryan LOL.
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Ryan's a good choice in that he'll keep the hammer down on the piss-poor economy throughout the rest of the campaign. Finance is what he does and knows and he articulates the various issues very clearly and well.
Mittens could've done worse.
Ryan's an awesome choice and Conservatives will be happy.
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It could also explain why Ryan is on vacation in Colorado. It's probably the last time he'll get alone time with the family in private before the election.
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Ryan's an awesome choice and Conservatives will be happy.
Ballygrl has decreed it. Conservatives, you WILL be happy.
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Ryan's an awesome choice and Conservatives will be happy.
He's no Allen West. :yawn:
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Would like to see our Virginia Governor, Bob McDonnell get it!
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He's no Allen West. :yawn:
Neither of them are Sarah Palin. :censored:
:-)
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It could also explain why Ryan is on vacation in Colorado. It's probably the last time he'll get alone time with the family in private before the election.
From Drudge:
Will Announce His Running Mate at 9AM ET Saturday in Norfolk...
At Nauticus Museum, home of USS Wisconsin...
CLAIM: Romney plane parked in Paul Ryan's hometown...
I'm going to be tossing and turning all night and it'll drive my husband nuts.
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BTW Ari Fleischer on Twitter said his gut says Bobby Jindal, no inside info on that.
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Hey girl, it's Paul Ryan!
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l631/emjwarner/tumblr_m3nnnkH9Sr1rv57kko1_500.jpg)
At least I'm hoping that's who it is.
:popcorn:
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InTrade has Paul Ryan at 87.4%. Book 'em Dano, he's in.
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Romney for VP! Oh. Is it too late?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs[/youtube]
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http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/10/breaking-romney-to-announce-vp-pick-tomorrow-at-9-am/
Update: A subsequent e-mail from Team Romney puts the announcement time at 8:45 am, so I changed the headline.
I was going to sleep past 9:00 AM anyway.
Good pick Romney. There may be hope for you yet. Maybe.
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AP says Paul Ryan.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ROMNEY_RUNNING_MATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-11-01-04-02
You almost kind of have to feel sorry for Joe Biden in the VP debates..... almost.
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He's no Allen West. :yawn:
Or Rubio.
Ryan is better than Portman or Pawley but Romney campaign need a fire breathing sock it to them conservative. If he is selected, I hope he can hold up his end.
Obama will have a field day lying about the budget and SS that Ryan has proposed. Even Trump stated that Ryan stepped into a pile of dog shit regarding SS when he did not have to. Believe me when I say democraps will be thrilled if it is Ryan.
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Obama will have a field day lying about the budget and SS that Ryan has proposed. Even Trump stated that Ryan stepped into a pile of dog shit regarding SS when he did not have to. Believe me when I say democraps will be thrilled if it is Ryan.
Americans need to face reality and the truth is needed when it comes to fiscal matters, SS is broke, hanging on by a thread, Americans either face that reality now or when they're actually on SS.
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http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/10/breaking-romney-to-announce-vp-pick-tomorrow-at-9-am/
I was going to sleep past 9:00 AM anyway.
Good pick Romney. There may be hope for you yet. Maybe.
Holy cow....I am in PST It might still be dark out! :lmao:
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Americans need to face reality and the truth is needed when it comes to fiscal matters, SS is broke, hanging on by a thread, Americans either face that reality now or when they're actually on SS.
With 8.5% unemployment nationwide and 3.95 a gallon gas along with price hikes everywhere, most Americans I feel are going to get it when it comes to fiscal matters, since it's hit their pocketbook hardcore these last four years.
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Well, of all the guys supposedly being vetted he and Rubio were my favorites. Would still like Allen West, though, but Romney's incapable of being that radical.
Cindie
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Americans need to face reality and the truth is needed when it comes to fiscal matters, SS is broke, hanging on by a thread, Americans either face that reality now or when they're actually on SS.
I agree with that but you do not have to lay all your card on the table. There was not a Chinaman's chance that fiscal reform and SS would ever get past dirty Harry. Consequently, ever statement that Ryan has made will be twisted and lied about. That is what is going to happen and I hope he is up to the task of defending it. He is going to have to convice Independents. Telling those that are approaching retirement age that the retirement age have to be raised and other adjustments have to be made is not a winning vote getter.
I am still hoping that he will pick Rubio.
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I want Allen West, but I will be happy with Paul Ryan. He is a good pick for Romney. I can't wait to see him in a debate with crazy joe. That is going to be pants! :lmao:
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He's no Allen West. :yawn:
I'd rather see him as SecArmy.
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Well, of all the guys supposedly being vetted he and Rubio were my favorites. Would still like Allen West, though, but Romney's incapable of being that radical.
Cindie
My feeling as well. I'm happy.
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I'd rather see him as SecArmy.
Or, alternately, SecDef.
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Or, alternately, SecDef.
Now, that's a great idea.
Rumsfeld couldn't really break loose the infamous Pentagon machine because of his quirks, but with West's get 'er done attitude, he stands a good chance. The SecArmy gig isn't as exposed as West currently has it as being a Florida congressman, so it would be a very interesting situation watching him kick ass and take names in the Pentagon's E-ring.
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Obama commercial claiming Ryan's plan is to kill off seniors in Florida in 3..2..1 :censored:
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DUmb, DUmb, DUmb.
While I like the guy, IMHO, this is a big mistake.
In order to keep obama in check in case he does win, we need to take the Senate. We need power to reject his Marxist SCOTUS nominations. We can only do that with 50 Senators,
This opens up WI to a democrat party pick-up.
Allen West would have been the safer choice.
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Ryan is a Rep, not a senator.
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Ryan is a Rep, not a senator.
DOH!!!!
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DOH!!!!
:lmao: ...Just so you don't feel lonesome, I have those moments too.
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While I am very pleased with the choice, I'm also disturbed. Ryan is my age. :panic:
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Tuck's point is an interesting one, however.
How would Ryan's gig as Rep be filled? How safe is his district from a communist Dem takeover?
The last time a Dem was the rep of the Wisconsin 1st congressional district was in 1995. Two Republicans since then, Ryan being the latest, of course. I wouldn't call that a Republican stronghold.
That district covers most of the SE corner of Wisconsin -- dangerously close to moonbat land in Illinois. And, according to the Wiki article, that district is called a swing district -- went to Barry by a narrow margin in 2008.
Granted, the Repubs have a solid majority in the House, but giving up a solidly performing Rep to fill out a Romney ticket, hmmm. Interesting. Would've been worse, in that light, for Rubio to fill out the Romney ticket as he's a Senator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin's_1st_congressional_district
(Disaster averted, Tuck! :-) )
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I'd rather see him as SecArmy.
Or SecDef.
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Americans need to face reality and the truth is needed when it comes to fiscal matters, SS is broke, hanging on by a thread, Americans either face that reality now or when they're actually on SS.
And the dems/media were going to attack the Ryan budget plan whether he was picked or not, so he might as well be front and center to defend it. Nobody can do it better. Put the spotlight on him and let him tell the people what's what. As for the democrats being as gleeful as republicans about the Ryan pick, they won't be so gleeful when the people start listening to Ryan and realizing that what he's saying is going to have to be accepted as the only path to take--sooner or later. We can't keep going the way we are. Democrats may not understand the concept of unsustainability, but republicans do and hopefully enough independents do too.
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And the dems/media were going to attack the Ryan budget plan whether he was picked or not, so he might as well be front and center to defend it. Nobody can do it better. Put the spotlight on him and let him tell the people what's what. As for the democrats being as gleeful as republicans about the Ryan pick, they won't be so gleeful when the people start listening to Ryan and realizing that what he's saying is going to have to be accepted as the only path to take--sooner or later. We can't keep going the way we are. Democrats may not understand the concept of unsustainability, but republicans do and hopefully enough independents do too.
Romney and Ryan should counter the attacks on the Ryan budget quite simply.
"We would criticize the Democrats budget plan, but they don't have one and haven't had one for three years. Sure, President Obama proposed a budget, but it was so bad, that no Democrats voted for it."
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The only thing that ticks me off is the Romney Store doesn't have the Romney/Ryan Yard Signs available yet. :-)
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While I am very pleased with the choice, I'm also disturbed. Ryan is my age. :panic:
Makes you feel like a loser doesn't it? :p
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Romney and Ryan should counter the attacks on the Ryan budget quite simply.
"We would criticize the Democrats budget plan, but they don't have one and haven't had one for three years. Sure, President Obama proposed a budget, but it was so bad, that no Democrats voted for it."
Perfect!
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Makes you feel like a loser doesn't it? :p
I'm even a bigger loser.....
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I'm even a bigger loser.....
Age wise I'm in the middle between Romney & Ryan so it a wash. I'm safe :whistling:
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Age wise I'm in the middle between Romney & Ryan so it a wash. I'm safe :whistling:
I'm not. I'm TFO.
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I'm not. I'm TFO.
TFO? Truly F****** Old?
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Too Fu***** Old.
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I'm not. I'm TFO.
MEH. It's not the dog in the fight , It's the fight in the dog. :cheersmate:
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Too Fu***** Old.
I'm ALA.
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Obama commercial claiming Ryan's plan is to kill off seniors in Florida in 3..2..1 :censored:
Obama and the Democraps are quite happy with this pick. Rubio was the one they feared because of the Latino vote in FL and other states that he could help deliver.
If Obama wins Florida, it is over.
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While Rubio would have been a good pick for VP, he really couldn't take it because if he had, the media and OBama's merry band of idiots would have had a field day calling him a quitter and flip-flopper and we would have had a Sarah Palin issue all over again.
Rubio has said time after time, that he did not want the VP spot, as he felt an obligation to his constituents to stay in Congress for a while since they had just elected him.
If he had left after 2 years, when he said he would stay, he would have been compared to Sarah walking away from being governor.
Also, one of the big arguments against Obama is he walked away after 2 years, and no experience. Granted Rubio has more community and state experience than Obama, but it would have negated the argument against Obama.
What this does do, if they get elected and Ryan does a good job, is set up for a Ryan/Rubio ticket which would be excellent.
Ryan is supposed to be an economic genius. Let's hope that enough people will vote for R/R in hopes of getting this country back to fiscal responsiblity, creating jobs, and bringing overseas jobs back to USA. If we can't get R/R elected and Obama gets reelected, we are screwed.
Went and got a haircut this morning and my hairdresser was saying how much she hates Obama, and hopes that with R/R they can take it away from Obama. She's white, married to a black guy, and said she "hates hearing Obama referred to as a black man, because he isn't, he's mixed and that's all there is to it!" This from a woman who has a teenage "mixed" son!
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While Rubio would have been a good pick for VP, he really couldn't take it because if he had, the media and OBama's merry band of idiots would have had a field day calling him a quitter and flip-flopper and we would have had a Sarah Palin issue all over again.
Rubio has said time after time, that he did not want the VP spot, as he felt an obligation to his constituents to stay in Congress for a while since they had just elected him.
If he had left after 2 years, when he said he would stay, he would have been compared to Sarah walking away from being governor.
Also, one of the big arguments against Obama is he walked away after 2 years, and no experience. Granted Rubio has more community and state experience than Obama, but it would have negated the argument against Obama.
What this does do, if they get elected and Ryan does a good job, is set up for a Ryan/Rubio ticket which would be excellent.
Ryan is supposed to be an economic genius. Let's hope that enough people will vote for R/R in hopes of getting this country back to fiscal responsiblity, creating jobs, and bringing overseas jobs back to USA. If we can't get R/R elected and Obama gets reelected, we are screwed.
Went and got a haircut this morning and my hairdresser was saying how much she hates Obama, and hopes that with R/R they can take it away from Obama. She's white, married to a black guy, and said she "hates hearing Obama referred to as a black man, because he isn't, he's mixed and that's all there is to it!" This from a woman who has a teenage "mixed" son!
Fact still remains that if Obama wins Florida, it is all over. Democrats are extremely happy that Rubio was not picked, and is the one they really feared IMO. Plus, none of the the candidates are perfect. They all have negatives.
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I think Romney will win Florida. I can't wait to see the look on obama's face when he does.
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MEH. It's not the dog in the fight , It's the fight in the dog. :cheersmate:
I have a full plate right now. Busy, busy, busy. My dog is tired!
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I have a full plate right now. Busy, busy, busy. My dog is tired!
Make sure Obama doesn't find out you have a dog (tired or otherwise). DHS will come raid your house for hoarding food. :fuelfire:
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I think Romney will win Florida. I can't wait to see the look on obama's face when he does.
The democrats seem to think that Romney will lose Florida since a lot of old folks live there and they can be scared into voting for Obama by pounding on Romney/Ryan over Social Security and Medicare. But a lot of those old people have grandkids that they don't want growing up in a country that's going down the toilet. I think Florida goes to Romney too.
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While Rubio would have been a good pick for VP, he really couldn't take it because if he had, the media and OBama's merry band of idiots would have had a field day calling him a quitter and flip-flopper and we would have had a Sarah Palin issue all over again.
Rubio has said time after time, that he did not want the VP spot, as he felt an obligation to his constituents to stay in Congress for a while since they had just elected him.
If he had left after 2 years, when he said he would stay, he would have been compared to Sarah walking away from being governor.
Also, one of the big arguments against Obama is he walked away after 2 years, and no experience. Granted Rubio has more community and state experience than Obama, but it would have negated the argument against Obama.
What this does do, if they get elected and Ryan does a good job, is set up for a Ryan/Rubio ticket which would be excellent.
Ryan is supposed to be an economic genius. Let's hope that enough people will vote for R/R in hopes of getting this country back to fiscal responsiblity, creating jobs, and bringing overseas jobs back to USA. If we can't get R/R elected and Obama gets reelected, we are screwed.
Went and got a haircut this morning and my hairdresser was saying how much she hates Obama, and hopes that with R/R they can take it away from Obama. She's white, married to a black guy, and said she "hates hearing Obama referred to as a black man, because he isn't, he's mixed and that's all there is to it!" This from a woman who has a teenage "mixed" son!
Good points, deb. For Rubio to sign on as veep candidate, that makes him no better than Barry. And setting up the ticket in 2020 with Ryan/Rubio is definitely a fine idea. h5
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Good points, deb. For Rubio to sign on as veep candidate, that makes him no better than Barry. And setting up the ticket in 2020 with Ryan/Rubio is definitely a fine idea. h5
If Romney is defeated, it will be Rubio at the top of the ticket in 2016.
I hope that Ryan is up to the task cause he is surely going to take a pounding. We will see.
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The dems were going to beat the "scare" drum about SS and medicare regardless of whom Romney picked.
Hell... They've been running such ads in Ohio for over a month now.
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The dems were going to beat the "scare" drum about SS and medicare regardless of whom Romney picked.
Hell... They've been running such ads in Ohio for over a month now.
True but they will be using and twisting Ryan's own words about replacing medicare with a voucher system and raising the medicare age from 65 to 67. That is going to be a hard sell. Also,, his idea about privatising SS will not go over big either. Even Boehner said no way that is coming to a vote in the House. Just saying
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I don't think Romney needed someone from Florida on the ticket to win the state. The State is very much in play.
The lefts mediscare & abolishing soc sec tactics have worn thin. Seniors know any change to soc sec wouldn't affect current recipients. They may even be willing to see a partial privatization to individual accts as a method of ensuring the grandkids have soc sec when they retire.
For better or worse Boehner will remain as speaker because the guy that could replace him is on the presidential ticket.
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I don't think Romney needed someone from Florida on the ticket to win the state. The State is very much in play.
The lefts mediscare & abolishing soc sec tactics have worn thin. Seniors know any change to soc sec wouldn't affect current recipients. They may even be willing to see a partial privatization to individual accts as a method of ensuring the grandkids have soc sec when they retire.
For better or worse Boehner will remain as speaker because the guy that could replace him is on the presidential ticket.
If you are wrong about Florida, the election is over...correct!!!!!
Like I said the democrats will USE Ryan's own words in ads. They do not have to make up shit. Let's see. Ryan advocated privatization of SS. Ryan proposed voucher systems for Medicare. Ryan has advocated raising the age to 67 for SS and medicare recipients. Check. Ryan voted for increasing the debt limit numerous time under the Bush administration.Not so under Obama. He voted for the stimulus. Ryan voted for one of the biggest budgets busters in many years which is Part D prescription drug benefits.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not the FACTS. My opinion is that Ryan is a Johnny come lately to budgets deficits. That is what kills me about these sorry ass politicians. When it is my guy doing it it is ok. When it is the other guy it is just plain awful. I will just keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.
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If you are wrong about Florida, the election is over...correct!!!!!
Not necessarily, more difficult to win yes but loosing Florida not the end. Personally I don't think it'll be a close election at all.
Like I said the democrats will USE Ryan's own words in ads. They do not have to make up shit. Let's see. Ryan advocated privatization of SS. Ryan proposed voucher systems for Medicare. Ryan has advocated raising the age to 67 for SS and medicare recipients. Check. Ryan voted for increasing the debt limit numerous time under the Bush administration.Not so under Obama. He voted for the stimulus. Ryan voted for one of the biggest budgets busters in many years which is Part D prescription drug benefits.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not the FACTS. My opinion is that Ryan is a Johnny come lately to budgets deficits. That is what kills me about these sorry ass politicians. When it is my guy doing it it is ok. When it is the other guy it is just plain awful. I will just keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.
The People in their early 50's and younger already have to wait until they are 67 to draw social security. Not sure about medicare but the two are somewhat tied together. As far as budget deficits Johnny come lately better than not at all isn't it ?
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Not necessarily, more difficult to win yes but loosing Florida not the end. Personally I don't think it'll be a close election at all.
The People in their early 50's and younger already have to wait until they are 67 to draw social security. Not sure about medicare but the two are somewhat tied together. As far as budget deficits Johnny come lately better than not at all isn't it ?
Losing Florida would be devastating and I do think it would be the end.
You are right. The age he advocated was 70 instead of 67.
The Ryan budget would cut in half Obama's 10 trillion over the next 8-10 years. In other words our debt would increase 5 trillion under the Ryan plan. Those type of increase are not sustainable
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Obama commercial claiming Ryan's plan is to kill off seniors in Florida in 3..2..1 :censored:
Chris Matthews Slams Paul Ryan Budget as 'Screwing' Needy People
On a special Saturday edition of Hardball, MSNBC host Chris Matthews twice claimed that Republican Rep. Paul Ryan's budget "screws" needy people. During a segment with Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen, as he asked what it was like to work with Rep. Ryan as his colleague, the MSNBC host asserted that the plan "really screws the people who desperately need Medicare and programs like that."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2012/08/11/chris-matthews-slams-paul-ryan-budget-screwing-needy-people
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Chris Matthews Slams Paul Ryan Budget as 'Screwing' Needy People
On a special Saturday edition of Hardball, MSNBC host Chris Matthews twice claimed that Republican Rep. Paul Ryan's budget "screws" needy people. During a segment with Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen, as he asked what it was like to work with Rep. Ryan as his colleague, the MSNBC host asserted that the plan "really screws the people who desperately need Medicare and programs like that."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2012/08/11/chris-matthews-slams-paul-ryan-budget-screwing-needy-people
I would not put too much stock in what sissy Crissy says. However, jobs and the economy is what Romney/Ryan should hit the democraps with. When they are elected, they can talk about the budget. What voters want right NOW is a plan to increase jobs and how they are going to kick the economy in high gear. That should be their number 1 focus. That is what will change an undecided voter into one for our team.
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Not necessarily, more difficult to win yes but loosing Florida not the end. Personally I don't think it'll be a close election at all.
The People in their early 50's and younger already have to wait until they are 67 to draw social security. Not sure about medicare but the two are somewhat tied together. As far as budget deficits Johnny come lately better than not at all isn't it ?
Ryan is not a fiscal hawk like everyone thinks he is. His voting record under the Bush administration is not that good. He got religion under Obama but is that just like most politicians such as raising the debt ceiling under Bush okay; raising under Obama, bad, bad.
Jobs and the economy are the # 1 issue. Stick to that and they win. Play the numbers game rather than "it's the economy stupid", and they lose.
It really is pretty simple.
Florida being on the east coast in that time zone will have a major impact on turn out in other time zones. If Florida is called early for Obama, it is curtain for Romney as many conservatives will stay home.
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Ryan is not a fiscal hawk like everyone thinks he is. His voting record under the Bush administration is not that good. He got religion under Obama but is that just like most politicians such as raising the debt ceiling under Bush okay; raising under Obama, bad, bad.
Jobs and the economy are the # 1 issue. Stick to that and they win. Play the numbers game rather than "it's the economy stupid", and they lose.
It really is pretty simple.
Florida being on the east coast in that time zone will have a major impact on turn out in other time zones. If Florida is called early for Obama, it is curtain for Romney as many conservatives will stay home.
I'm no financial wiz and certainly can't speak to these things like some can, but simply because the debt ceiling is raised isn't a showstopper. It can be done as a stopgap measure to permit various things to happen - preparing a budget, allow fiscal policy to "take root," things like that.
The degree and the frequency to which the debt ceilings were raised -- and yeah, I'll go with you on the Bush thing (we all know Bush is not a fiscal conservative) are the objectionable parts and the politics behind those actions were the egregious things, in my view.
The Repubs got the shit end of the stick on the last debt ceiling action and they wound up looking like idiots.
No balls, no spine, no ethics, no morals. That's our Congress (as an entity).
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Ryan is not a fiscal hawk like everyone thinks he is. His voting record under the Bush administration is not that good. He got religion under Obama but is that just like most politicians such as raising the debt ceiling under Bush okay; raising under Obama, bad, bad.
I beg to differ:
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/26344/
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Well, Ryan did vote yea on HR 2608 - Continuing Appropriations Act of 2012 - keeping the gov't afloat till Nov. 2011. In fairness, though, the bill prohibits funding under Sec. 102 of items not funded during FY11 and it funds FEMA another $2.65 billion.
I suppose he had to do that, but CR after CR after CR after CR does not make the Repubs look good.
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Well, Ryan did vote yea on HR 2608 - Continuing Appropriations Act of 2012 - keeping the gov't afloat till Nov. 2011. In fairness, though, the bill prohibits funding under Sec. 102 of items not funded during FY11 and it funds FEMA another $2.65 billion.
I suppose he had to do that, but CR after CR after CR after CR does not make the Repubs look good.
Exactly.
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I beg to differ:
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/26344/
He voted for the biggest budget busting legislation in many years which is the Medicare Part D drug prescription plan under Bush. It will add trillions to the debt in the next 20 years. .
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True but they will be using and twisting Ryan's own words about replacing medicare with a voucher system and raising the medicare age from 65 to 67. That is going to be a hard sell. Also,, his idea about privatising SS will not go over big either. Even Boehner said no way that is coming to a vote in the House. Just saying
That's because the GOP establishment would rather kowtow to the AARP and other elder/liberal PACs.
Fact is, at this rate there will come a day when it's not going to be a tapering, it's going to be a flat-out elimination of benefits for millions of retirees.
I'm planning on being one of them, hence why my retirement planning does NOT include SS or Medicare.
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Paul Ryan is a better candidate than Romney. Likely why Romney screwed up and introduced him as president. http://www.theopinionatednation.com/2012/08/11/romney-goofs-introduces-ryan-as-next-president-of-the-united-states-video/
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That's because the GOP establishment would rather kowtow to the AARP and other elder/liberal PACs.
Fact is, at this rate there will come a day when it's not going to be a tapering, it's going to be a flat-out elimination of benefits for millions of retirees.
I'm planning on being one of them, hence why my retirement planning does NOT include SS or Medicare.
Now that Ryan voted for this budget buster bill, he wants to tweak the numbers now. You know these asshole are foot lose and fancy free with our f.....k money. If they had to live under the rules they set for us, we might have a little parity. They do not even read the bill then bitch about it. Even McCain voted against this monstrosity of a drug bill.
I am on SS and medicare. I have planned where most my income comes from other sources. So, I can make it even if both of these gov. programs fold.
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From a fundraising email I received today:
Since Mitt Romney announced Tea Party hero Paul Ryan as his running mate, the Romney campaign has brought in over $2 million to defeat President Obama.
Ryan Jham
DCCC Rapid Response Director
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Paul Ryan is a better candidate than Romney. Likely why Romney screwed up and introduced him as president. http://www.theopinionatednation.com/2012/08/11/romney-goofs-introduces-ryan-as-next-president-of-the-united-states-video/
Ah, such short memories you lefties have....
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4QCcwJjk54[/youtube]
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He voted for the biggest budget busting legislation in many years which is the Medicare Part D drug prescription plan under Bush. It will add trillions to the debt in the next 20 years. .
The only part of Medicare that's actually worked? That comes in 40% under budget?
Hey Reagan voted to legalize abortion in California as governor and had tax increases early in his first term...should we throw him over the cliff too?
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Gallup: Seniors Most Favorable To Ryan Budget (http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/04/gallup-seniors.php)
By Josh Kraushaar
April 27, 2011 | 7:48 a.m.
A new Gallup/USA Today poll contains a counterintuitive finding: the age group most receptive to House Budget Chair Paul Ryan's plan to deal with the budget - seniors.
The poll finds 48 percent of seniors (those 65 and over) support Ryan's plan over President Obama's plan, while 42 percent back the president.
That's the highest total among the age groups tested - a 47 percent plurality between the ages of 50 and 64 backed Ryan, and a 45 percent plurality of those between 30-49 backed Ryan. But young voters overwhelmingly sided with Obama by a 23-point margin, 53 to 30 percent.
Overall, 44 percent back Obama's plan, while 43 percent support Ryan.
Republicans hold a double-digit lead over Democrats in public perception of which party would do a better job dealing with the federal budget, according to the survey. 48 percent prefer Republicans, while 36 percent prefer Democrats in Congress.
The poll, conducted between April 20-23, surveyed 1,013 adults and has a four percent margin of error.
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Paul Ryan is a better candidate than Romney. Likely why Romney screwed up and introduced him as president. http://www.theopinionatednation.com/2012/08/11/romney-goofs-introduces-ryan-as-next-president-of-the-united-states-video/
Ah, such short memories you lefties have....
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4QCcwJjk54[/youtube]
I was wondering when the moon bats were going to bring that up. As soon as I heard Romney say that I thought here is another gaffe they are going to plaster all over the news. Heck, I had a picture of the NYT in my mind. It had Romney on the front page with big letters saying: "Romney announces Ryan as the next President" ... What bunch of tool boxes the left are.
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True but they will be using and twisting Ryan's own words about replacing medicare with a voucher system and raising the medicare age from 65 to 67. That is going to be a hard sell. Also,, his idea about privatising SS will not go over big either. Even Boehner said no way that is coming to a vote in the House. Just saying
Are you serious? Ryan is talking about changes to Medicare not for the current generation collecting it but the the generations after it, and it's ridiculous if people make a stink about the retirement age going up 2 years, and the fact that Obama has made what? 750 billion in cuts to Medicare? you really think the Republicans are going to have a hard time making their point? I don't think so at all.
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They both gave rousing speeches tonight up in Waukesha, WI. :yahoo:
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Ryan's only 8 months older than me.
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Ryan's only 8 months older than me.
I'm a mere 28 years OLDER than Ryan. :shrug: :old:
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The only part of Medicare that's actually worked? That comes in 40% under budget?
Hey Reagan voted to legalize abortion in California as governor and had tax increases early in his first term...should we throw him over the cliff too?
He is already dead. So, throwing him over cliff would be as stupid as throwing Ryan over a cliff.
I am just pointing to his voting record. Take it or leave it. The democrats will surely slice and dice it. Don't you agree?
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Gallup: Seniors Most Favorable To Ryan Budget (http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/04/gallup-seniors.php)
By Josh Kraushaar
April 27, 2011 | 7:48 a.m.
A new Gallup/USA Today poll contains a counterintuitive finding: the age group most receptive to House Budget Chair Paul Ryan's plan to deal with the budget - seniors.
The poll finds 48 percent of seniors (those 65 and over) support Ryan's plan over President Obama's plan, while 42 percent back the president.
That's the highest total among the age groups tested - a 47 percent plurality between the ages of 50 and 64 backed Ryan, and a 45 percent plurality of those between 30-49 backed Ryan. But young voters overwhelmingly sided with Obama by a 23-point margin, 53 to 30 percent.Overall, 44 percent back Obama's plan, while 43 percent support Ryan.
Republicans hold a double-digit lead over Democrats in public perception of which party would do a better job dealing with the federal budget, according to the survey. 48 percent prefer Republicans, while 36 percent prefer Democrats in Congress.
The poll, conducted between April 20-23, surveyed 1,013 adults and has a four percent margin of error.
Polls do not mean squat to me. The NUMBER ONE (1) issue is jobs and the economy. Not the budget, not medicare. Not SS. They are important but voters want to know what plans the Repubs have to improve the job picture and get the economy going at full blast again. It really is that simple. Obama can not defend his terrible record on jobs and the economy. Obama would love to make the election about anything but these two issues.
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Are you serious? Ryan is talking about changes to Medicare not for the current generation collecting it but the the generations after it, and it's ridiculous if people make a stink about the retirement age going up 2 years, and the fact that Obama has made what? 750 billion in cuts to Medicare? you really think the Republicans are going to have a hard time making their point? I don't think so at all.
I am not making a stink about anything. The democraps will point out his voting record. The Repubs should do the same with Obama. What I think is that Romney/Ryan should stay on the offense blasting Obama about the lousy job picture and the lousy economy. That is the number issue. Bubba beat daddy Bush by exclaiming "it's the economy stupid". The Repubs need to do the same.
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Polls do not mean squat to me. The NUMBER ONE (1) issue is jobs and the economy. Not the budget, not medicare. Not SS. They are important but voters want to know what plans the Repubs have to improve the job picture and get the economy going at full blast again. It really is that simple. Obama can not defend his terrible record on jobs and the economy. Obama would love to make the election about anything but these two issues.
I beg to differ. Medicare and Social Security are way more important to seniors than jobs are. Granted to most people that are working or wanting to work, jobs and the economy are tops. To the DemonRat base, freebies are the most important.
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I beg to differ. Medicare and Social Security are way more important to seniors than jobs are. Granted to most people that are working or wanting to work, jobs and the economy are tops. To the DemonRat base, freebies are the most important.
I never said Medicare & SS are way more important to seniors than jobs are. Most people on SS are not looking for a job. I am retired and making more money than I ever did working.
The number 1 issue is jobs if the economy is going to grow or if revenues are to be increased. We can talk all day about SS and Medicare but do you honestly believe those 14 million unemployed, those students that can not find a job and living with their parents or those underemployed or those that salaries are low because of competition in the job market are really going to get excited about a SS or Medicare dialogue. Not going to happen because the country is in a hell of a fix. I feel confident that Romney can fix the job market. Then we can talk about entitlement fixes. Like I have said, Romney/Ryan need to focus on jobs and employment. Obama made a bad mistake by not doing that; I am hoping that he gets his ass kicked in Nov.
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I never said Medicare & SS are way more important to seniors than jobs are. Most people on SS are not looking for a job. I am retired and making more money than I ever did working.
The number 1 issue is jobs if the economy is going to grow or if revenues are to be increased. We can talk all day about SS and Medicare but do you honestly believe those 14 million unemployed, those students that can not find a job and living with their parents or those underemployed or those that salaries are low because of competition in the job market are really going to get excited about a SS or Medicare dialogue. Not going to happen because the country is in a hell of a fix. I feel confident that Romney can fix the job market. Then we can talk about entitlement fixes. Like I have said, Romney/Ryan need to focus on jobs and employment. Obama made a bad mistake by not doing that; I am hoping that he gets his ass kicked in Nov.
I'm saying that SS and Medicare are as important to old people, who do vote more that younger people, as jobs and the economy are to younger people. None of those topics can be ignored.
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Ryan is not a fiscal hawk like everyone thinks he is.
You've been spending too much time on DU. But your concern is noted. :bawl:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021113365
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125168981
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125168981
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Polls do not mean squat to me. The NUMBER ONE (1) issue is jobs and the economy. Not the budget, not medicare. Not SS. They are important but voters want to know what plans the Repubs have to improve the job picture and get the economy going at full blast again. It really is that simple. Obama can not defend his terrible record on jobs and the economy. Obama would love to make the election about anything but these two issues.
Were you not discussing SS & MC ? Talk about moving goal posts.
Lacarnut you are better than that.
The candidates message has to be tailored to the audience in attendance.
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I think when it comes to medicare and ss, that it is important that we save and encourage the next generation to save as well, as if ss will not be there for us...It probably won't be. So many seniors today, did not have the advantage of IRA'sand 401k plans, etc. so they have no choice, but to live on strictly on SS and medicare.
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I'd rather see him as SecArmy.
Or Speaker of the House.
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Or Speaker of the House.
Ain't gonna happen. Even if he wins reelection (FL is doing some redistricting which is going to make keeping his seat a LOT harder) he's still way too junior, and the powers that be are not about to remove Speaker Boehner.
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You've been spending too much time on DU. But your concern is noted. :bawl:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021113365
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125168981
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125168981
Wrong Bozo. I could count the number of times I have been there on 1 hand; in those instance it was when someone posted some goofy shit. Retards from DU do not interest me. You fail.
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Ain't gonna happen. Even if he wins reelection (FL is doing some redistricting which is going to make keeping his seat a LOT harder) he's still way too junior, and the powers that be are not about to remove Speaker Boehner.
I agree,for better or worse Boehner remains as Speaker. As I previously stated the only one with a real shot at replacing him is on the presidential ticket.
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Were you not discussing SS & MC ? Talk about moving goal posts.
Lacarnut you are better than that.
The candidates message has to be tailored to the audience in attendance.
The only goal posts that I am interested in is moving Obama and Moochelle out of the W.H. I am just trying to get conservatives to understand what the liberal media and Obama is going to throw at them. It is going to be a dirty campaign with enough lies to write a book.
I am unhappy that Rubio was not picked. We will see how Ryan holds up.
I have even given a great deal of thought to moving to Belize or Panama if Obama is reelected. Being retired with an adequate income, I could live anywhere in the world. There is just no country that even comes close to measuring up to the US. So, I am gonna stay here.
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Wrong Bozo. I could count the number of times I have been there on 1 hand; in those instance it was when someone posted some goofy shit. Retards from DU do not interest me. You fail.
Mmmm, could've fooled me. First, you start off with a personal insult, then - some of your stuff looks like cut & paste from that very site. If what you said above is true, then maybe you should visit the island more often. It seems like you'd fit right in. Of course, you're always welcome here. Just be honest about who and what you are. You get more respect that way.
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Ain't gonna happen. Even if he wins reelection (FL is doing some redistricting which is going to make keeping his seat a LOT harder) he's still way too junior, and the powers that be are not about to remove Speaker Boehner.
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Such a shame too.
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Biden Invokes Paul Ryan's Deceased Father to Question VP Candidate's Values. (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-invokes-paul-ryans-deceased-father-question-vp-candidates-values_649913.ht)
Idiot.
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Mmmm, could've fooled me. First, you start off with a personal insult, then - some of your stuff looks like cut & paste from that very site. If what you said above is true, then maybe you should visit the island more often. It seems like you'd fit right in. Of course, you're always welcome here. Just be honest about who and what you are. You get more respect that way.
First you accuse me of going to DU and then imply that I should go there. I have voted for every Repub President from Goldwater to McCain. That is the honest God truth. In the many years I have been a member of CC, I have never been accused of being anything but a conservative. You are the one that needs to show respect as a Newbie. I am just taking the opposing view and citing facts regarding Ryan and how the Democrats will come after him along with poking fun at retards like you that get their bowels in an uproar. Had you been here any length of time, you would have seen my many posts backing Newt, Cain and my adamant support of Rubio. I just hope that Ryan is not a bad mistake. Consequently, you need to get a new crystal ball telling you who and what I am cause the one you got is full of shit. SEE MY POST in politics....USA poll ...Ryan gets low marks as VP...... AND I SAID the poll is flawed and Romeny is going to kick Obama's ass.
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Lets keep it civil.
Thank you.
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Lets keep it civil.
Thank you.
If Junior wants to take it to the fight club, we can do that. It is up to him (the one that started the accustation). :-)
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Whatever,however I don`t care but it isn`t going to devolve into a name calling argument here so lets move on with a discussion. :cheersmate:
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Whatever,however I don`t care but it isn`t going to devolve into a name calling argument here so lets move on with a discussion. :cheersmate:
Works for me. :cheersmate:
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Ryan's focus was on jobs and the economy at the Iowa State Fair.
The President was also in Iowa calling Romney & Ryan good men with radical ideas that want to steal from the poor and give to the rich. :lmao:
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If Junior wants to take it to the fight club, we can do that. It is up to him (the one that started the accustation). :-)
20 days junior, but I guess that counts. I said my piece, I'm done.
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Ain't gonna happen. Even if he wins reelection (FL is doing some redistricting which is going to make keeping his seat a LOT harder) he's still way too junior, and the powers that be are not about to remove Speaker Boehner.
Just saying. Allen West would make a great Secretary of Defense. I never thought Paul Ryan would be selected. I would see him as Speaker of the House. Anyways, I am glad he is on board. He may not be perfect, but at least he is willing to cut government spending.
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Just saying. Allen West would make a great Secretary of Defense. I never thought Paul Ryan would be selected. I would see him as Speaker of the House. Anyways, I am glad he is on board. He may not be perfect, but at least he is willing to cut government spending.
I said that a bit ago. I'd like to see him in dealings with GEN Odinero . . .