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I May be Going to Debtor's Prison
From Daily Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/07/1089502/-I-May-be-Going-to-Debtor-s-Prison
[I know they're supposed to be illegal, but society has found some ways around that. The bottom line here is that I may be going to prison not because I've done anything wrong or deliberately committed a crime, but because I've been poor and very, very unlucky... and I know I'm not the only one. I know what kind of scrutiny and harassment writing this may invite, but there is a terrible meme in the nation right now that must be dissected and expunged if we are to move more toward being a more fair and civilized society.
That meme is that 'poverty is a choice'.
After I explain, I know how easy it will be to tell me I 'could have made better choices'. Believe me, I know that. But the choices I made at the time were reasonable choices. Many people have made many of the same choices I have made and managed to do well by them. So the choices I made were reasonable, but things just didn't work out. In retrospect, I could have done things differently of course, but I did not have the luxury of foresight at the time.
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My misfortune created gaps in payments and the debt accrued. The last blow, however, was by far the most heartbreaking and among so many other unfortunate coincidences, it bore the worst possible timing.
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I can hardly describe the angst, agony, and sickness I feel at being told that I've chosen to live in poverty. So many people put barely half the effort into finding gainful work that I have and are doing just fine. There's no way to describe how awful this feels. Yet, in this country, we are afflicted with that poisonous meme that tells us people are poor because they somehow deserve it, and that the rich deserve to be richer. It is not just a meme, it is a sickness that pervades and infects the minds of people who might otherwise have been kinder and more understanding of their neighbor's plights, but instead visit scorn upon those who might have so much more to offer if not for their struggle. Sure, not everyone in poverty is fighting so hard to get out, but after so many efforts prove utterly futile is it any wonder that people might just give up?]
It's actually long, but it's worth reading:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/07/1089502/-I-May-be-Going-to-Debtor-s-Prison
The author is effectively going to jail for being too poor to pay. Wait till you read about the circumstances.
Worth a read. Long but only a true DUmmy could have experienced that drama.
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You can do this by Vetwife, Mon May 07, 2012 at 03:38:37 PM PDT (0+ / 0-)
I wonder...
Back to the DUmp.
The Doctor. (16,442 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. Thanks.
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There's a chance I may not be posting here for a while.
Hey. you're popular. I'm sure you'll have friends up the ass.
99Forever (527 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. I certainly hope things get better for you...
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... though it's not much comfort, my personal financial situation is going from bad to worse and short of something radical taking place.....
...let's just say we are screwed. A lifetime of work has been drained from us, with little hope that anyone in a position to make it better (read: the government owned lock, stock and barrel by the 1%) even cares the tiniest bit.
Getting locked up for debts, is something we were taught didn't happen in America. I guess we were lied to then, also.
There's a storm on the horizon, a big nasty one.
He's not getting locked up for debt. He's getting locked for for being a dead beat.
Lionessa (1,643 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. Y'know this is nothing more really than "my ex-wife and life screwed me" rant.
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He doesn't take much responsibility for his choices (sort of does but in such a lame way it's ridiculous), and spends most of his time demonizing his ex-wife who we are to take his word on that she's a evil, gold-digger (yeah, like that's not every ex-husband's bs line to not accept the fact that they had faults they were unwilling to keep in check while demanding the woman be perfect), even attacks her mother (how classic is that?), and then claims to be just like every other person whose been experiencing economic desperation. He's not. There are a lot of us who very simply lost our employment or business and simply can't find any other income, no drama, no blaming family or friends or exes, just economic hardship.
It's not worth reading, really not. I wish I had the time back. Yes, perhaps it is unfair to expect child support when one is broke, but since he presents his reasons for being broke in such a way as to be unbelievably one sided with himself as some type of troubled hero of heart and soul, makes the entire story essentially unbelievable.
He's not telling the whole story, only the sob parts, imo.
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Pithlet (24,868 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Exactly.
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It seems as though he tried to start up a business rather than spending the effort looking for a job. That's likely what led to the possible jail time. If you've got a child support order, you can't just decide not to look for a job and try your hand at starting a business. You don't have that luxury, and the courts won't look at that kindly.
You DUmbass.
It seems you're lacking the entrepreneurial gene that many Americans had when this great nation was being formed.
mysuzuki2 (2,000 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. You are of course correct.
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a male could not possibly have a legitimate complaint against a female. Women are never vindictive and never lie.
grasswire (33,725 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
27. Recommendation: fathersandfriends.org web site and facebook page
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There is community and resources for those ensnared in the injustices of the system.
The group fathersandfriends.org is actively advocating for some sanity in the laws.
I have suffered for several years now alongside a family member who is going through a similar process. Hollywood couldn't write the script for this one. Like the story in the OP, the actions and decisions of this crazy-authoritarian ex and of the courts are crushingly NUTS and defeating, and not in the best interests of the children.
Several things every parent going through this should know about:
1. Parental alienation is now a recognized abuse of the children. It is child abuse. Parental alienation is when a parent deliberately turns children against the other parent. It is child abuse, and should be so named, and family courts should root it out and punish it.
2. States get money from the federal government for collecting child support. The family court system is a MONEY-MAKER for states.
3. If a parent signs a contract with the state to collect the child support, that parent cannot also go to family court and sue separately. That would be a breach of contract with the state.
Stay strong, all those who are caught between the poor economy and the system. Reach out. Stand with each other.
Aw Judy, Judy Judy. Did you just do a Nadin just to have something to say?
A gender war is brewing.
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Aw Judy, Judy Judy. Did you just do a Nadin just to have something to say?
Actually, probably not.
One senses the pie-and-jam primitive's watched this in her own family; if I recall correctly, there was a recent episode where a great-grandson (or something) of hers had to go all the way from Oregon to Maine on Amtrak, staying at the home of primitives in Massachusetts, while some family matter was settled involving a young child.
The pie-and-jam primitive's not even 70 years old yet, and already she's a great-great-grandmother of what appears to be a five-year-old male child.
In case one needs the mathematics done, that's five generations of 13 years each.
The hormones must get going early, in Sherlock Judy's family.
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The less a DUmbass works, the more unlucky it gets.
Mix in equal parts of stupidity and laziness and you too can become one of the democrat's highly prized and admired victims.
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It pisses me off to no end when a man (or woman) says they are too poor to pay child support. Your kid still has to eat, go to the doctor/dentist, be clothed, etc. Take a ****ing job at McDonalds until something in your field comes up. It doesn't matter what your ex spends on themselves, your kid still needs to eat and have a roof over their head. You had the kid/s, take care of them you ****ing loser.
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Oh my! How could such awful things happen to a perfectly awful and angry person like The Doctor?
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It's actually long, but it's worth reading:
No kidding, it sure is long.
The incredible amount of detail in this sob story is what convinces me that it's a big load of BS. The truth is usually short and simple. Liars often embellish with a lot of details thinking that it makes the story sound more believable.
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I didn't read his whole sob story. What I got out of what little I did read is he didn't pay his child support and landed, or will land, in jail.
Well boo-****ing-hoo.
Sorry dummie... actions have consequences. Sorry your parents didn't teach you that. Now you are gonna get an real education. Bubba and Tyrone are waiting for you.
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It pisses me off to no end when a man (or woman) says they are too poor to pay child support. Your kid still has to eat, go to the doctor/dentist, be clothed, etc. Take a ****ing job at McDonalds until something in your field comes up. It doesn't matter what your ex spends on themselves, your kid still needs to eat and have a roof over their head. You had the kid/s, take care of them you ****ing loser.
That is so true kids do not ask to be born you need to support them.
Here is a tip for all of you DUmmies save a bunch in child support by investing in a box of condoms!
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I liked the fact that it was the tale of a woman who got fed up with a panty-waist liberal male and went out looking for a man.
It's the same song that's been played over and over many times at the DUmp.
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Ok, I read the whole friggen thing (except when he went into the part about how the rich suck and how we should all support losers like him). He sounds A LOT like my brother-in-law (only worse). He sounds like he has ADHD. He even mentions not being able to afford medication he needs to stay "focused".
He is a perpetual victim. He will never be successful. Reading his long list of excuses thinly disguised as a "look how victimized I am" crap pisses me off. People at DU and others on DailyKos are just enablers. They fill people like UGP's head full of victim mentality crap which only hurts the person more in the long run. The people who try to smack these people up side the head with reality are always piled on. These people are truly dilusional.
Oh, I read vetwife's comment. All I'm going to say is... :whatever:
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LASlibinSC
42. My ex is dumb as a hammer and crazy as a sack of bats.
Yes he was a RW hottie. And yes I picked him. Ahh love! Anyway, he couldn't hold down a job for love nor money. But he always made his CS payments. He did yard work, painted houses, hauled trash anything. Granted, he didn't start a physical 'business' have plans for books, develop inventions, or business models. He did sign up for food stamps, work fast food and flat out hustle. We fed and provided for the kids. Sounds like this is just wallowing to me. Well written though, don't ya think? I laughed, I cried.....
Taitertots
55. Imprisoning poor people after assigning them debts they could never pay is wrong
The court should have never ordered him to pay in the first place. $7800 a year is ****ing outrageous, who has that kind of money?
To all those with moral poutrage because it is child support. When is a child EVER better off having their parent imprisoned for being unable to pay? It just makes it impossible for the children to ever receive any support.
Response to Taitertots (Reply #55)Mon May 7, 2012, 07:34 PM
Lionessa
60. $7800 a year is outrageous?? Do you have a clue what it costs
to raise a child, annually? An idea at all?
Response to Lionessa (Reply #60)Mon May 7, 2012, 07:41 PM
Taitertots
62. So what, a person making $10,000 can't pay $7800
It doesn't matter what it costs to raise a child if the parent physically doesn't have the money to support themselves and pay child support.
Response to Lionessa (Reply #60)Mon May 7, 2012, 08:00 PM
lumberjack_jeff
68. It doesn't matter what it costs. The only thing that matters is what he can pay. n/t
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LASlibinSC
42. My ex is dumb as a hammer and crazy as a sack of bats.
Yes he was a RW hottie. And yes I picked him. Ahh love! Anyway, he couldn't hold down a job for love nor money. But he always made his CS payments. He did yard work, painted houses, hauled trash anything. Granted, he didn't start a physical 'business' have plans for books, develop inventions, or business models. He did sign up for food stamps, work fast food and flat out hustle. We fed and provided for the kids. Sounds like this is just wallowing to me. Well written though, don't ya think? I laughed, I cried.....
There's a lessen in there that liberals could learn.
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That tale of woe could have been written by my deadbeat ex-husband (sans me running off with a rich man), and on countless court appearances, the judge sympathised with his whiny tales. I got $150/mo when he did work, so he quit working above board swiftly. I then got zero for 6 years, 6 years. When finally hauled back in front of the judge, he felt sorry for the deadbeat and let him make arrear payments to me at an astonishing $50 per month. So, that whining pound of flesh can kindly Eat A Bowl Of Dicks.
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The only entity that can throw your sorry asses in jail for failure to pay is the IRS and the federal government, and you f'n DUmb chimps want to give them even more power. Idiots.
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$7,800/year is $650/month.
That's about the same as a new car or a house payment. Cheap at twice that price for a child.
I've worked a second job at Walmart, making $9.00/hr, 24 hours per week, and brought home over $800/month.
Suck it up, DUmmie. Yes, you SHOULD have made better choices in life, then you wouldn't be "poor".
That tattoo on your neck doesn't seem like a very good idea right now, does it. :loser:
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Life's a bitch...........and then you marry one.
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You can do this by Vetwife, Mon May 07, 2012 at 03:38:37 PM PDT (0+ / 0-)
I wondered where she had disappeared to.
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Sounds like she got tired of supporting his lazy butt and moved onto greener pastures.
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I wondered where she had disappeared to.
At least we know that she's still around.
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While i think this dummy probably deserves what is about to happen to him...I will say men are rarely treated fairly in a divorce and most courts really could give a shit less if you have enough income to live on. You know this going in and should probably prepare for when it finally happens. Btw for those of you who have never been through a divorce the child support your ex gets from you is only a fraction of what you will be held responsible for. That being said this clown was trying to get around paying and is now being jailed for it as he should. If you find that the child support award is too much you can go before the judge again to get it reduced...maybe....
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There are some problems with the system (at least here). The court will calculate the CS based on your tax return from last year. Never mind what's going on now. If you were hourly and had a ton of overtime, due to extraordinary circumstances, and don't have it now, too bad. I've seen this situation. Guy ended up with a $65 paycheck to last him 2 weeks; lost the truck due to repo, then lost the job due to no transportation. No money for kids. Bankruptcy filings all around, it's a terrible mess.
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There are some problems with the system (at least here). The court will calculate the CS based on your tax return from last year. Never mind what's going on now. If you were hourly and had a ton of overtime, due to extraordinary circumstances, and don't have it now, too bad. I've seen this situation. Guy ended up with a $65 paycheck to last him 2 weeks; lost the truck due to repo, then lost the job due to no transportation. No money for kids. Bankruptcy filings all around, it's a terrible mess.
Read the guys long screed, he is in this mess because of his own actions not extraordinary circumstances.
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Back before my eldest turned 18 I had to contend with the fact my ex turned my life into an episode of Jerry Springer when she dumped me for her step-brother who was in prison for killing a man to protect a drug network (talk about your shots to the ego). Despite this horrendous scenario I was ordered to pay $350/month for the privilege of having my son taken from me.
Don't fret, she has since left him and moved on but all-in-all she has 3 children by 3 separate fathers. Thankfully, she also got really fat, so...HA!
Florida is a rather "helpful" state. If you have a support order they will garnish the amount owed each month. As far as I was concerned it saved me the hassle of stamps, envelopes, filling-out a check etc. However, when I re-enlisted for the National Guard the garnishment was also levied against my monthly drill checks of which they were taking 50%. In other words, I was OVER-paying.
When I moved to Colorado I recieved a letter that I was in arrears. As I had stayed employed and was still enlisted I was curious as to how this might come to be. So I phoned the FL Dept of Revenue where they assured me my account showed I was showing a surplus. Sure enough, the online account tracker showed this as well.
The next month I received another letter claiming arrearages and another phone call gained me another reassurance that I was showing a surplus...larger than previous month's (the amount of which was coincidentally 50% of my drill pay).
The month following I received yat another letter this time threatening to suspend my drivers license. This was no small thing as I had a Class A CDL which was required for my job with Halliburton. Again, I was told everything was in my favor; surely this was just a glitch.
The next month the glitch suspended my license. A check with the Colorado DMV showed the glitch had infected itself nationawide. I was told I could not return to work until my license was reinstated.
Every day for 6 weeks I was on the phone no less than 3 times a day speaking to a horde of bureaucrats who at best had no concern for me. I tried being pleasant, I tried cajoling, I tried screaming. I was told to hire a lawyer at $250/hour to contest my innocence. Consulting a lawyer revealed he could not do anything I was not already doing, i.e. file and wait. I was told once you level a complaint they register a ticket and have 30 days to act on/ignore it. If after 30 days nothing happens you are free to register a second complaint which begins another 30 days for them to set you aside.
At long last I got the one bureaucrat that actually cared (maybe she was new). practically in tears over the financial ruin of being out of work she gave me the number to a supervisor. I pleaded with the supervisor. Surely, I said, this all came about because someone hit the wrong button. If only someone would be brave enough to hit the other button this could all be resolved...I just needed a little bravery for my side. The records were all there. Everyone could see the truth of my cause. Why wouldn't anyone act?
She acted.
I was notified 3 days later that my license had been reinstated. Of course, just because the Dept of Revenue ****s-up doesn't mean the Dept of Motor Vehicles gives a rat's ass. If I wanted my license truly reinstated I had to pay the customary $75 just like every other deadbeat parent or drunk driver. Of course, living in Colorado meant I had to pay a courier a further $75 to stand in line for me.
So, 6 weeks later I was back on the job though I had lost 6 weeks of pay (BTW - I was ineligible for gov't assistance during this time because I was the bad guy, deadbeat parent in the eyes of the system that said I was overpaid). And I had to pay $150 to get back what was rightfully mine, wrongfully taken.
The ONLY upside to this is the fact that had they not been double-dipping from my monthly National Guard check I WOULD have gone into arrears. Their incompetence ultimately saved me from their incompetence.
I doubt this would ever making onto their lovely little liberal website, though. They love stories about how evil and mean the government is...but never stories about how incompetent and apthetic it becomes. They love the idea of government so long as they're the only ones in charge.
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There are some problems with the system (at least here). The court will calculate the CS based on your tax return from last year. Never mind what's going on now. If you were hourly and had a ton of overtime, due to extraordinary circumstances, and don't have it now, too bad. I've seen this situation. Guy ended up with a $65 paycheck to last him 2 weeks; lost the truck due to repo, then lost the job due to no transportation. No money for kids. Bankruptcy filings all around, it's a terrible mess.
Yep! your income last year is not necessarily your income this year :banghead:
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Read the guys long screed, he is in this mess because of his own actions not extraordinary circumstances.
His sentencing date is this morning.
Off with his head.. er... off to the hoosegow with him. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tucker13/emoticons/160d1ad5.gif)
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I doubt this would ever making onto their lovely little liberal website, though. They love stories about how evil and mean the government is...but never stories about how incompetent and apthetic it becomes. They love the idea of government so long as they're the only ones in charge.
I have felt your pain. My 4 year long problem wasn't about child support, it was over federal highway use taxes. I got the old, "Oh, I see the problem sir and I'm fixing it right now". Sure you are honey, why do I keep getting these threatening letters about having the sheriff arrest me. Sometimes you have to cuss, fuss and raise immortal hell to get a damn government employee to just punch the right damn button.
They all seem to be prime examples of "The Peter Principle".
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I'm sorry you had to go through that harrowing experience, SSB. This is why we inherently distrust big labyrinthine government. And the DUmbasses wonder why? Imagine these people in charge of your life and death circumstances with healthcare!
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...This is why we inherently distrust big labyrinthine government. And the DUmbasses wonder why? Imagine these people in charge of your life and death circumstances with healthcare!
You want to know what they're beloved healthcare system will look like?
One of a medic's many duties is to keep soldiers current on their immunizations. I wish I could tell you how many shots I've had to repeat (sometimes at ~$100/shot) because someone, somewhere further down the line did not properly update a soldier's shot record. Of course, duplicated effort for some means others go without so we have to do cheetah-flips to get a soldier back in or send them elsewhere. This doesn't even count what happens when they deploy and get a whole new regimen of immunizations. I'm seeing thousands of dollars a month wasted and that's just from within my constricted, soda-straw view.
And then there's how the patient sees it...
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You want to know what they're beloved healthcare system will look like?
One of a medic's many duties is to keep soldiers current on their immunizations. I wish I could tell you how many shots I've had to repeat (sometimes at ~$100/shot) because someone, somewhere further down the line did not properly update a soldier's shot record. Of course, duplicated effort for some means others go without so we have to do cheetah-flips to get a soldier back in or send them elsewhere. This doesn't even count what happens when they deploy and get a whole new regimen of immunizations. I'm seeing thousands of dollars a month wasted and that's just from within my constricted, soda-straw view.
And then there's how the patient sees it...
I too saw a ton of waste at a school district I worked at in the DFW area (I was in purchasing). They would buy a new employee a new computer yet had a warehouse full of perfectly fine used computers. Buy employees of the school district $5 pens while teachers had to buy supplies for their own classrooms themselves. Buy new chairs while they had a storeroom full of office chairs. I asked once why they don't use any of the items they had in strange and they told me they had to use it (all the money in the budget) or lose it. It seemed so backwards to me. No incentive to buy smart or use the stuff in their warehouse.
If I were running the school district I would give a bonus for saving the district money. Be it a small monetary bonus or "flex time". Also another one of their stupid rules were if one year they used less of their budget the next years budget would be cut. A budget should be made on what they think they will need that year, not on the previous year. One year you may have a larger expense that you don't have yearly, like updating software or something. It just seemed so friggen backwards.
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I'm sorry you had to go through that harrowing experience, SSB. This is why we inherently distrust big labyrinthine government. And the DUmbasses wonder why? Imagine these people in charge of your life and death circumstances with healthcare!
Citizen, "Hello, is the government healthcare office."
Government Healthcare worker, "Yes sir. How may I help you?"
Citizen, "I just did something stupid and I need to go to the emergency room."
Government Healthcare worker, "What stupid thing have you done?"
Citizen, "I ran over my foot with the lawn mower and cut it off."
Government Healthcare worker, "Well, sir you'll need to file a form 2918C Express Care request with the Express Care Department of Obamacare. Have a nice day."
Citizen, "WAIT! WHAT? WHAT? HELLO! HELLO!....anybody there?"
Government Healthcare worker, "Hello and welcome to the Obamacare Express Care department. How may I help you?"
Citizen, "I Did something stupid and I nee.........."
Government Healthcare worker, "Please hold sir while I transfer to you to the I Did Something Stupid Department of Obamacare."
Government Healthcare worker, "Hello. This is the computer automated answering service of the I Did Something Stupid Department of Obamacare. Your call is very important to us but we are very busy at the moment and can not take your call. Please stay on the line. If you would like, you may select the type music you would like to hear while holding by selecting one of the following. If you like soul, push 1 now. If you like rap, push 2 now. If you like gospel, push 3 now. If you like jazz, push 4 now. If you like blues, push 5 now. If you are not dead yet, push 0 and the operator will disconnect you so you can dial us again."
Government worker, "Hello."
Citizens wife, "Hello, is this the deceased benefits department of Social Security?"
Government worker, "Yes it is. Are you or someone in your family deceased?"
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Citizen, "Hello, is the government healthcare office."
Government Healthcare worker, "Yes sir. How may I help you?"
Citizen, "I just did something stupid and I need to go to the emergency room."
Government Healthcare worker, "What stupid thing have you done?"
Citizen, "I ran over my foot with the lawn mower and cut it off."
Government Healthcare worker, "Well, sir you'll need to file a form 2918C Express Care request with the Express Care Department of Obamacare. Have a nice day."
Citizen, "WAIT! WHAT? WHAT? HELLO! HELLO!....anybody there?"
Government Healthcare worker, "Hello and welcome to the Obamacare Express Care department. How may I help you?"
Citizen, "I Did something stupid and I nee.........."
Government Healthcare worker, "Please hold sir while I transfer to you to the I Did Something Stupid Department of Obamacare."
Government Healthcare worker, "Hello. This is the computer automated answering service of the I Did Something Stupid Department of Obamacare. Your call is very important to us but we are very busy at the moment and can not take your call. Please stay on the line. If you would like, you may select the type music you would like to hear while holding by selecting one of the following. If you like soul, push 1 now. If you like rap, push 2 now. If you like gospel, push 3 now. If you like jazz, push 4 now. If you like blues, push 5 now. If you are not dead yet, push 0 and the operator will disconnect you so you can dial us again."
Government worker, "Hello."
Citizens wife, "Hello, is this the deceased benefits department of Social Security?"
Government worker, "Yes it is. Are you or someone in your family deceased?"
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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
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So let me understand this...a guy is on shaky financial ground and decides that's a good time to start running a business without doing even a minute's worth of due diligence.
****ING MORON.
Let me explain something to you stupid lurking liberals that you won't believe and you won't want to hear: most rich people get that way not by falling into a lucky situation, like this jerkweed tried to do. Believe it or not, people get rich by WORKING HARD and by BEING CAREFUL.
And if this idiot spent nearly the time working on his debt that he spent whining about it on the internet, it would be manageable.
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I was very lucky. When my ex and I got divorced, he was ordered to pay 630.00/month. I never had to go through the state to get the money. He mailed me a 315.00 check twice a month like clockwork. When he got remarried and had another child with his new wife, I agreed to let him reduce his support to me to 500.00/month because he had been so regular for 7 years. (Also, my son was 17 at the time, so there was only a year left on his order). My ex DID help me buy my son a car since then, though. I hear horror stories about men not paying support all the time, and I remind myself how blessed I was to have a considerate ex.
My boyfriend has been ordered to pay support, and he does faithfully. He was out of work for a few months due to the economy (he's a plumber, and the housing market was terrible as y'all know). He picked up scrap metal and sold it in order to pay his child support...it CAN be done. I hate to hear deadbeats try to defend their lack of caring for their child.
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msanthrope (10,972 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
116. I suspect this item on the POLICE BLOTTER might explain why the wife left....
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http://tonawanda-news.com/local/x1896318115/BLOTTER-Police-reports-published-Aug-20
Look, I did family law for a long time. I don't do it anymore, but it took me about 5 paragraphs into Mr. Croft's screed to know what was what---the only $600 a month for two kids was another tip off.
The 'wife is a b-word' routine is a very common denial mechanism male addicts use when trying to explain why they don't see their kids, why their lives are dysfunctional, and why the court system is shitting on them......
It's never them, or their addictions.
Info at link:
http://tonawanda-news.com/local/x1896318115/BLOTTER-Police-reports-published-Aug-20
August 19, 2009
BLOTTER: Police reports published Aug. 20
City of Tonawanda
DWI: Garth S. Croft, 38, 1306 Ellicott Creek Road, Town of Tonawanda, was arrested Tuesday for DWI, speeding and refusal to take a breath test. He was held for court.
Kaleva (7,203 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
124. I posted the question at Kos with a link to the police blotter.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/07/1089502/-I-May-be-Going-to-Debtor-s-Prison
Unca Jim (410 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
146. The responses to this thread...
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The responses to this thread just made me think: "Damn! The people on DU are all judgmental, persnickety, absolutist assholes who can never look at the other person's perspective for five ****ing minutes!"
I thought this site was for liberals.
Not long for this world.
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Oh man, the guy said he hopes he doesn't have to sue Kos over this. :whatever:
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Oh man, the guy said he hopes he doesn't have to sue Kos over this. :whatever:
Easier than jumping in front of a speeding car and calling an ambulance chaser.
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Easier than jumping in front of a speeding car and calling an ambulance chaser.
The Breck Girl is indisposed at the moment.
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$7800 a year is ****ing outrageous, who has that kind of money?
We pay more than that for daycare for our daughter so we can go to work and support you freeloaders. So I guess our household has that kind of money. ::)
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There are plenty of injustices to go around on the way child support cases get handled. Incidentally, DUmmies, that's exactly why Conservatives don't care for all-powerful government social control and policies leading us down that path.
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All the more reason why I don't bitch so much when my ex stuck me with one of her credit cards to pay off (over $10K) when she filed for bankruptcy DURING THE DIVORCE which as anyone who has been through a divorce knows is a big no-no.
Beats the shit out of alimony, and no child support since there were no kids. IOW, a small price to pay to get rid of her dumb ass, and really, if I feel particularly evil, perhaps I can contact my lawyer to see if I have any recourse in getting it back out of her. Not like she can't afford it, since I keep hearing about how she takes cross-country trips to Disneyworld, buys new cars, new iPhones every time a new one comes out, etc...
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All the more reason why I don't bitch so much when my ex stuck me with one of her credit cards to pay off (over $10K) when she filed for bankruptcy DURING THE DIVORCE which as anyone who has been through a divorce knows is a big no-no.
Beats the shit out of alimony, and no child support since there were no kids. IOW, a small price to pay to get rid of her dumb ass, and really, if I feel particularly evil, perhaps I can contact my lawyer to see if I have any recourse in getting it back out of her. Not like she can't afford it, since I keep hearing about how she takes cross-country trips to Disneyworld, buys new cars, new iPhones every time a new one comes out, etc...
Sparky, I'd go for it if I were you.
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Sparky, I'd go for it if I were you.
I've gotten a couple of VERY small ($100 or so) payments out of her. I can demonstrate that I've been paying this CC for long before the divorce, even though it was HER card (balance transfer from another CC to lower the interest rate) that she alone had. Only problem was, dumbass me figured we were still possibly reconciling, so I agreed to be co-signer for the transfer, which put me on the hook for the balance when she filed for bankruptcy, even though the divorce papers still show her as being responsible for it.
IOW, give her enough rope to hang her with, and get her for all of it, including the stuff I paid for before the divorce, not just after. The only question is whether or not I can go after her since she did file for bankruptcy and listed that card as one of her debts.
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Actually, probably not.
One senses the pie-and-jam primitive's watched this in her own family; if I recall correctly, there was a recent episode where a great-grandson (or something) of hers had to go all the way from Oregon to Maine on Amtrak, staying at the home of primitives in Massachusetts, while some family matter was settled involving a young child.
The pie-and-jam primitive's not even 70 years old yet, and already she's a great-great-grandmother of what appears to be a five-year-old male child.
In case one needs the mathematics done, that's five generations of 13 years each.
The hormones must get going early, in Sherlock Judy's family.
WOW! A great great grandma at 70?! I didn't think that was possible! My oldest had a great great grandma but he was 1 and she was 93!
Hormones hell, sounds more like pedophilia!
It pisses me off to no end when a man (or woman) says they are too poor to pay child support. Your kid still has to eat, go to the doctor/dentist, be clothed, etc. Take a ****ing job at McDonalds until something in your field comes up. It doesn't matter what your ex spends on themselves, your kid still needs to eat and have a roof over their head. You had the kid/s, take care of them you ****ing loser.
Ya know my idea is just don't get divorced! When me and "Toots" got married it was forever. Sure we've had ups and downs in our 39 years, but we stuck it out and fixed the problems. Too many of these good for nothings take the easy way out. I have no sympathy for any of 'em!
Taitertots
55. Imprisoning poor people after assigning them debts they could never pay is wrong
The court should have never ordered him to pay in the first place. $7800 a year is ****ing outrageous, who has that kind of money?
To all those with moral poutrage because it is child support. When is a child EVER better off having their parent imprisoned for being unable to pay? It just makes it impossible for the children to ever receive any support.
$7800 is outrageous? I take it you don't have a child, do ya, TitlessTaters? I had two kids, and I guarandamnteeya I spent waaaaaaaaaay more than 15 though a year to raise them! Stooooopid ****in' DUmmies!
Oh, BTW, has anyone here besides me kept married to the same spouse? Seems as everyone here has an "Ex"! What the hell has happened to "until death do us part"?
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Oh, BTW, has anyone here besides me kept married to the same spouse? Seems as everyone here has an "Ex"! What the hell has happened to "until death do us part"?
I'm here, bud, I haven't worn out my first one yet. Married in 1981.
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I'm here, bud, I haven't worn out my first one yet. Married in 1981.
Well in our 39 years, I have to admit the "death do us part" sounded pretty good a few times. Heh, heh!
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Well in our 39 years, I have to admit the "death do us part" sounded pretty good a few times. Heh, heh!
True, true.
:-)
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Oh, BTW, has anyone here besides me kept married to the same spouse? Seems as everyone here has an "Ex"! What the hell has happened to "until death do us part"?
Things happen, AR. I try not to judge anyone else on here, because I got married late (36) and we're still going strong. It'll be 11 years, one month from today.
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Well in our 39 years, I have to admit the "death do us part" sounded pretty good a few times. Heh, heh!
(http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/5/7/vbEFxPIbu0Wmv0tndeRIKA2.jpg)
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Oh, BTW, has anyone here besides me kept married to the same spouse? Seems as everyone here has an "Ex"! What the hell has happened to "until death do us part"?
I have been married for 25 years, to the same man. :)
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I'm still on my 1st marriage. 25 years of bliss. Thank goodness she finds my irresistible animal male lesbian attractiveness so appealing.