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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on April 29, 2012, 01:18:55 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002622380
Oh my.
Omaha Steve (31,802 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Disabled teen doesn't make Aurora cheerleading squads
http://www.omaha.com/article/20120428/NEWS01/704289910#disabled-teen-doesn-t-make-aurora-cheerleading-squads
Photo: http://www.omaha.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=OW&Date=20120428&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=704289910&Ref=AR&maxw=600&maxh=400
Julia Sullivan of Aurora, Neb., who was born without legs and with arms that end above her elbows, practices for cheerleading tryouts while her mother, Carolyn, and her sister, Emily Peterson, videotape her performance.
The fourth time apparently won't be the charm for Julia Sullivan, the disabled Aurora, Neb., girl who has sought to become a cheerleader.
Tryouts were held Thursday to select next year's cheerleading squads at Aurora High School. Results were posted Friday evening.
But Julia's name was not on the list for any of the three squads for 2012-13, her senior year.
Mike Sullivan, Julia's father, said his daughter was disappointed.
Click this link to watch video of Julia practicing her cheers with her family at home: http://www.omaha.com/article/20120428/NEWS01/704289910#video
FULL story at link.
DontTreadOnMe (1,307 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. They should have made her the Captain of the Squad!
What's wrong with Americans?!?
Stories like this make me want to drive to Omaha and just SCREAM at the entire group... but then I would probably be arrested.
Uh.
Aurora's about halfway across Nebraska, from Omaha.
Somebody needs to pick up a geography book.
pipoman (7,716 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Aurora was a great place to grow up..
I know the people of Aurora and they are fair..
Yeah, the people of Aurora, Nebraska probably are fair.
CreekDog (31,306 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. Without regard to fairness, the ADA law applies to this public school and reasonable accommodation should be offered.
And.....your point being?
ladjf (11,951 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. If a male with similar disabilities had tried out for one of the athletic teams, should he have been accommodated? What about trying out for the debate team by an autistic child?
elehhhhna (25,694 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. funny you mention that...
i doubt a severely physically disadvanged child could make the cheersquad. hell, i have all my limbs and didn't make it, either.
AND: in HS back in '78 our sister school had a kid with MD. Chuck. He joined the speech team and could barely speak understandably...or hold his head up straight. Or gesture. Wheelchair bound, and dependent on people pushing it for him...
He competed anyway. Reading prose. It was painful and courageous.
By senior year he COULD hold his head up, could gesture with his arms. COULD roll his own chair with his arm power. Could speak clearly enough...
They paired him with their best actor, dramatic duet, a 5 minute cut from Arthur Miller's All My Sons. Chuck played the father.
They went to STATE!
On their own merit. Seriously.
Our team, the current and future stae champion team (we were frikking fantastic), on hearing at Regional Awards that Chuck and Rick had placed and were going to state finals, cheered them louder than we ever cheered ourselves.
It was AWESOME.
ladjf (11,951 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. Good for them. They accommodated him in ways that were possible. Where adjustment can be
done, they should be done even it it stretches the limits sometime.
Regrading cheer leading requirements:Those squads are usually made up of students that are skilled gymnasts. If the handicapped child had been selected, she couldn't have participated in much of their activities.
CreekDog (31,306 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. i understand, though i know there is a way to include the severely disabled in all facets of life
and i don't mean as a matter of law, at this point.
what i mean is that this group is probably the most impoverished group in the nation, the most unemployed, the most UNDERUTILIZED, at a time when this country needs more help than ever.
and working to see that people from all facets and varying abilities are included in all sorts of areas, in ways, perhaps that are difficult to even comprehend, will make our nation better.
just like it was inconceivable at one time, not so long ago that a black man with a name like Barack Obama could be elected president, a lot of things that are hard to conceive are ultimately quite do-able in the long run.
and the funny thing is that all the decades and centuries of work that were an important part of making sure it could happen --all those efforts made us better as a nation for trying.
all i'm asking is that just because you can't conceive of it, don't shut it down.
the accommodations the parents and school district made were not the end of this story --they are a beginning. like the other poster has responded to you, the reason i'm writing this is to get you to think bigger, grander.
i'm sure there will be a time, maybe in our lifetimes when sports will be played by people you can't even conceive of now and on teams most would think are impossible today.
Bleed me your heart, dumpshit.
Despite "special accommodations," I assure you franksolich is the last person one wants as an office receptionist or dispatcher for the police or firemen.
As for the bold phrase above, that's your only relevant comment, dumpshit.
One can blame that on ADA, that there's fewer "handicapped" people gainfully employed today, than there were before ADA was even thought of.
Also, it's rather presumptuous to think "disabled" people necessarily want to be involved in things normal people are involved in. I've watched hearing people all my life, and trust me, hearing people indulge in a great many things I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot primitive.
It's like we're too simple-minded to develop our own tastes, our own interests?
dumpshit needs to think about this.
With friends like dumpshit, we "handicapped" don't need any enemies.
And now, I'm dedicated to boosting dumpshit for inclusion in the Top DUmmies of 2012.....
ladjf (11,951 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
16. This thread began with the statement that a student with no arms or legs didn't make the cheer leading squad. There are NO students, anywhere, who have no arms or legs, participating on any of the active sports that require running, catching, hitting or body contact.
Please spare me the "I must be clueless" insults.
If you have in mind some sort of "mascot" or physically inactive type of status, then state what you have in mind.
AmazingSchnitzel (33 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Most disabled people I know...
... would want to earn their spot legitimately and despise pity above all else.
Granted, most of the disabled folks I know were able bodied at one point but that's my $.02.
alphafemale (12,098 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. How many ABLE bodied teens didn't make the squad.
Disappointment makes you grow.
True.
Very true.
Pisces (3,458 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. I read these stories and feel for both the parents and the child, why not focus on what the child can physically do instead of out of reach goal? As a job, this girl will not be able to do physical labor in the same way another adult will. Why not hone the skills she has. I understand that most girls want to be the popular cheerleader, maybe she can be the President of her class, etc. Channel her energies where she can succeed and feel positive about herself.
Uh huh.
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Omaha Steve (31,802 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Disabled teen doesn't make Aurora cheerleading squads
http://www.omaha.com/arti...urora-cheerleading-squads
Photo: http://www.omaha.com/apps...amp;maxw=600&maxh=400
Julia Sullivan of Aurora, Neb., who was born without legs and with arms that end above her elbows, practices for cheerleading tryouts while her mother, Carolyn, and her sister, Emily Peterson, videotape her performance.
The fourth time apparently won't be the charm for Julia Sullivan, the disabled Aurora, Neb., girl who has sought to become a cheerleader.
Tryouts were held Thursday to select next year's cheerleading squads at Aurora High School. Results were posted Friday evening.
But Julia's name was not on the list for any of the three squads for 2012-13, her senior year.
Mike Sullivan, Julia's father, said his daughter was disappointed.
Click this link to watch video of Julia practicing her cheers with her family at home: http://www.omaha.com/arti...28/NEWS01/704289910#video
FULL story at link.
So, Socialist Steve, are you for or against cheerleaders without arm or legs? How about girls' basketball players without legs or arms?
Or are you afraid to express your opinion again, even on a non-controversial topic?
Steve Dawes, Chickenshit for City Council (http://www.electstevedawes.com)
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She seems like a sweet girl, maybe they could've created a special position for her, but there are many people who didn't make the cheerleading squad, I never tried out because I couldn't do a cartwheel or a split.
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She seems like a sweet girl, maybe they could've created a special position for her, but there are many people who didn't make the cheerleading squad, I never tried out because I couldn't do a cartwheel or a split.
No, they shouldn't create a "special position" for her.
It disappointed me greatly when I wasn't named music critic for the Daily Nebraskan many years ago, but I got over it, as I'm sure this young girl will.
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I'm sure that kid plays a mean pinball, but she'd make a lousy cheerleader.
Just by bringing it up, she's showing strong nadinesque tendencies - it's all about me, everything is only about me.
Hats off to the judges who had the courage to stand up for the other kids.
www.electstevedawes.com
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I'm sure that kid plays a mean pinball, but she'd make a lousy cheerleader.
Just by bringing it up, she's showing strong nadinesque tendencies - it's all about me, everything is only about me.
Hats off to the judges who had the courage to stand up for the other kids.
You smurky little smart ass. :lmao:
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I'm sure that kid plays a mean pinball, but she'd make a lousy cheerleader.
Just by bringing it up, she's showing strong nadinesque tendencies - it's all about me, everything is only about me.
Hats off to the judges who had the courage to stand up for the other kids.
www.electstevedawes.com
Oh, you had to bring up the pinball wizard...
The Who (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GE8nR-5kL4)
Always played it clean...
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Oh, you had to bring up the pinball wizard...
The Who (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GE8nR-5kL4)
Always played it clean...
Do you have such a supple wrist? :rotf:
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Do you have such a supple wrist? :rotf:
Well, I certainly wouldn't use it to toot my own horn !
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Well, I certainly wouldn't use it to toot my own horn !
LOL good one.
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She seems like a sweet girl, maybe they could've created a special position for her, but there are many people who didn't make the cheerleading squad, I never tried out because I couldn't do a cartwheel or a split.
I never made the cheerleading squad specifically because I could do a cartwheel and a split. The problem was that no one wanted to see my nuts flopping out when I did them. I filed suit and lost, although I did get some special considerations from the girl's gym coach.
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I never made the cheerleading squad specifically because I could do a cartwheel and a split. The problem was that no one wanted to see my nuts flopping out when I did them. I filed suit and lost, although I did get some special considerations from the girl's gym coach.
Mrs. Boughbreaker ?
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After years of trying their best to disprove the fact that all people are not created equal, DUmmies still cling to that false, liberal mantra.
No special considerations. Either you perform within the standards or you go home.
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After years of trying their best to disprove the fact that all people are not created equal, DUmmies still cling to that false, liberal mantra.
No special considerations. Either you perform withing the standards or you go home.
Hear, hear.
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I never made the cheerleading squad specifically because I could do a cartwheel and a split. The problem was that no one wanted to see my nuts flopping out when I did them. I filed suit and lost, although I did get some special considerations from the girl's gym coach.
OK, the nuts comment made me :lmao:.
I don't think I'm wrong asking for something special created for this girl, maybe an honorary cheerleader etc. like it or not this girl is always going to have limitations in her life, limitations that the average person won't ever have, so why shouldn't this girl have a special moment in her life? Yes, I know what everyone is saying, that she should be treated normal like everyone else, and yeah I kind of agree with that, but I can also see it from the other perspective. If I wanted to try out to be a cheerleader I could've learned how to do a cartwheel and practice enough so that I didn't look mentally challenged doing it, I could've learned to do a split, I didn't but I had the opportunity unlike this girl.
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Now, don't overdo your compassion, sweetheart.
Everybody has "limitations," including yourself.
I can't hear; you know what that means, and probably you have an idea of things I can't do.
But you, even though normal, have limitations I don't have.
For example, I don't think you could put a rope around a steer and haul it somewhere (on foot; I don't do horses because I'm also limited in that I don't have a right elbow).
Or maybe you can't reach the top cupboard in the kitchen without a step-stool, any more than nadin can play basketball.
Everybody has limitations.
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Now, don't overdo your compassion, sweetheart.
Everybody has "limitations," including yourself.
I can't hear; you know what that means, and probably you have an idea of things I can't do.
But you, even though normal, have limitations I don't have.
For example, I don't think you could put a rope around a steer and haul it somewhere (on foot; I don't do horses because I'm also limited in that I don't have a right elbow).
Or maybe you can't reach the top cupboard in the kitchen without a step-stool, any more than nadin can play basketball.
Everybody has limitations.
Yes, a lot of us have self imposed limitations, this girl has physical limitations that will limit her more in life then the average person.
We had a local kid who had..............I think it was Downs Syndrome, it was going to take her an extra few years to graduate HS, she wanted to walk with the graduation class that included kids she went to school with since kindergarten, and they allowed her to do it after saying they wouldn't. I didn't see anything wrong with that at all.
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Yes, a lot of us have self imposed limitations, this girl has physical limitations that will limit her more in life then the average person.
We had a local kid who had..............I think it was Downs Syndrome, it was going to take her an extra few years to graduate HS, she wanted to walk with the graduation class that included kids she went to school with since kindergarten, and they allowed her to do it after saying they wouldn't. I didn't see anything wrong with that at all.
Now, now.
Being short is not "self-imposed."
I consider shortness a significant handicap, and my gut wrenches for short people when I think of the things they can't do. Sometimes I cry like a broken dike when seeing a short person being compelled to use something on which to stand--I suppose one could call it a "special accommodation"--it's so sad. All that time and trouble, when all I have to do is merely extend my arm a little bit.
I agree with that one primitive, who said the girl should concentrate upon things she can do--such as being the president of her class in school--rather than forcing society to go through the time and trouble and expense of providing "special accommodations".
And as for your example, I don't think that's the same thing. She went through school many years with this group of people, and so it shouldn't be any big deal if she walked with them when they graduated.
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If this special situation were to be satisfied, what would the next set of standards that would be overlooked/amended?
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I have to wonder if men and women think differently about this type of issue.
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Again I have a lot of respect for the judges who had the courage to preserve the experience for the other kids.
They knew left-wing democrat nutcases would try to make them out as villains.
It's not always all about the one with the handicap, although that's certainly the politically-correct position.
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I have to wonder if men and women think differently about this type of issue.
If you mean by bending, twisting or breaking standards in order to demoralize a large group of students, those who failed to measure up, in order to make one individual feel special, then yes, we think different.
If you lower to value of achievement, then everyone loses.
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If you mean by bending, twisting or breaking standards in order to demoralize a large group of students, those who failed to measure up, in order to make one individual feel special, then yes, we think different.
If you lower to value of achievement, then everyone loses.
Girls just want to belong to a group, not every girl feels like that but a lot do, this girl probably just wants to fit in for 1 time in her life, to be viewed as normal, to be attractive to boys. Should she be a cheerleader? no, but what would be wrong with making her a cheerleader mascot? or something like that?
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Girls just want to belong to a group, not every girl feels like that but a lot do, this girl probably just wants to fit in for 1 time in her life, to be viewed as normal, to be attractive to boys. Should she be a cheerleader? no, but what would be wrong with making her a cheerleader mascot? or something like that?
She should find what she is good at and then strive to excel in that endeavor.
I hate to break it to you but if she were to be granted this and become a mascot, it would not make her any more or any less attractive to boys. We don't judge women by achievements. As much as a dirty, stinking DUmmy will refuse to admit, we are drawn by physical appearances. A man sees a woman and he doesn't think that he would like to discuss Wadsworth or Whitman with her. He is thinking how to boink her, in a respectful way. O-)
DUmmies go for the purse first.
I know it sounds shallow but all that other stuff, like romance, comes later.
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She should find what she is good at and then strive to excel in that endeavor.
I hate to break it to you but if she were to be granted this and become a mascot, it would not make her any more or any less attractive to boys. We don't judge women by achievements. As much as a dirty, stinking DUmmy will refuse to admit, we are drawn by physical appearances. A man sees a woman and he doesn't think that he would like to discuss Wadsworth or Whitman with her. He is thinking how to boink her, in a respectful way. O-)
DUmmies go for the purse first.
I know it sounds shallow but all that other stuff, like romance, comes later.
Women know that though, not girls, girls want to be attractive to boys, they think being a cheerleader etc. will help her in that quest.
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Women know that though, not girls, girls want to be attractive to boys, they think being a cheerleader etc. will help her in that quest.
Not to a male between 14 and 114 it won't.
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Not to a male between 14 and 114 it won't.
That's why I wonder if another woman would feel the same way I do? we look at things a little differently, we look at things on an emotional level.
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That's why I wonder if another woman would feel the same way I do? we look at things a little differently, we look at things on an emotional level.
It is good to push anyone to reach their own potential. One missing 2 fingers on one hand can learn to play the piano BUT they cannot play every song as written.
Frank is so right, everyone has a handicap be it physical or mental, one can strive to overcome most problems but must admit a one legged man cannot kick some ones butt.
This is a tear jerky, a beautiful little girl that wants to be a cheer leader, or a Princess, or an Astronaut that does not have the qualifications to do so.
Qualifications for anything depend on the individual. My son wanted to fly Air Force jets for years, collected models, built them and went to College to do so.------Problem was his eyes, he found he needed glasses and was unacceptable for that position. Broke his heart, should the Air Force have made an exception for him, Heavens no.
Realistically the parents should never encouraged her to believe that even if she was good at something anyone would make an exception for her. Some schools I am sure would have been glad to have her but it would have been as a oddity, and out side the normal realm of the other girls jumping, rolling and gymnastics.
Some art schools will for a huge fee admit a blind student for sculpture classes, but no school will admit a blind student into a welding or truck driving class.
We have to go with the cards we are dealt physically in life, Yes we can overcome most of them but not if we are built like Don Knotts and decide to make a living wrestling bears in Russia.
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Equality of opportunity does not mean forcing equality of outcomes.
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I hate to admit it, but I agree with vesta. :thatsright:
If anyone is at fault here, it's her parents for allowing her to believe she could ever become a member of the squad when she simply cannot do it physically. IMO, that's kind of cruel. They have set her up to fail by telling her she can do anything when, in reality, she simply can't because of her disability.
Look, it's admirable that she wanted to try, good for her. But for her to even think she had a snowball's chance in hell of getting on the squad is, well, stupid. Much like you can't be an Olympic sprinter if you don't have legs, you can't be a cheerleader without them, either.
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Because of these morons, it wouldn't surprise me to see a headline reading, "blinded airline pilot loses ATC and license. Plans to sue to keep flying with help from the ADA and justice department under Obama administration."
Life isn't fair, DUmbasses. The sooner she figures that out, the better for her. It'll force her to work to improve and develop the skills she currently has.
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Equality of opportunity does not mean forcing equality of outcomes.
The DUmp sure thinks so! As a start, then forcing the DUmb****s to have a better outcome.
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OK, I can concede that the Parents bear a lot of responsibility in this by encouraging her to do something that she's not capable of doing.
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Because of these morons, it wouldn't surprise me to see a headline reading, "blinded airline pilot loses ATC and license. Plans to sue to keep flying with help from the ADA and justice department under Obama administration."
I guarantee if that were posted at the DUmp, someone would comment on how today's technology makes it possible, or that they could accommodate him by making him co-pilot, or by mounting a third pilot's seat in the center of the cockpit.
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Because of these morons, it wouldn't surprise me to see a headline reading, "blinded airline pilot loses ATC and license. Plans to sue to keep flying with help from the ADA and justice department under Obama administration."
Life isn't fair, DUmbasses. The sooner she figures that out, the better for her. It'll force her to work to improve and develop the skills she currently has.
Moonbat extraordinaire Kurt Vonnegut had a short story title "Harrison Bergeron" where he talked about what would happen if everyone was forced to be equal. Newscasters all had speech impediments. Ballet dancers all had to wear weights around their necks and masks to cover their faces.
The point is that when you force everyone to be equal, you put limitations and handicaps on everyone.
The answer is pretty simple. Find what you're good at, and run with it.
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That's why I wonder if another woman would feel the same way I do? we look at things a little differently, we look at things on an emotional level.
Trust me, all men are very well aware of that.
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I guarantee if that were posted at the DUmp, someone would comment on how today's technology makes it possible, or that they could accommodate him by making him co-pilot, or by mounting a third pilot's seat in the center of the cockpit.
Was this not what Affirmative Action was all about. The loudest anti affirmative action person was of all people an elderly black lady that was outraged that her people were being dumbed down with no reason to push themselves and succeed on their own.
Kids that just barely passed college entrance exams were admitted over others with huge IQ's just because of the color of their skin. Oh she would get rilled up over the idea that any minority could get by without working hard for grades.
The darn white asses were teaching the minority that they could get what they wanted not for what they were but who they were. The whites are setting us up to fail then blame the kids for screwing up.
Most interesting and shocking to me to look at the other side of the coin so to speak. Quotas in the work place were another of her gripes. A Black owned company had to hire a number of other races, so they need a couple of engineers, 5 black men apply with outstanding work resumes, only 2 whites applied and they had bad work records, total losers, so because of the quotas the bum's had to be hired and could drive he company into the ground. Same as the White owned company's that were forced to hire people for their race and not their knowledge.
This lady was a pip, no nonsense woman that saw things I did not see. The first Conservative Black I met and believe me there are plenty of them out there.
I have met some remarkable people in my time, just ordinary people, they are nobody in the world that have taught me more then any Politician, Teacher or Preacher, just normal folk that with their openion has turned my world upside down.
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All I see in this article is an amazing young lady, defying all odds by doing things - and not allowing others to set boundaries for her. She should be applauded. I think her parents are just encouraging their daughter to be indpendent, and to work hard for what she wants.
All she wanted was to try out, and why shouldn't she be allowed to? This is cheerleading for pete's sake - there is no safety issue here in trying out for the squad. She didn't make it, and what kid wouldn't be disappointed.
Much ado about nothing, but I will say I am glad it is in the press. She should be an inspiration to other students and adults with significant disabilities to live the dream you set for yourself.
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All I see in this article is an amazing young lady, defying all odds by doing things - and not allowing others to set boundaries for her. She should be applauded. I think her parents are just encouraging their daughter to be independent, and to work hard for what she wants.
All she wanted was to try out, and why shouldn't she be allowed to? This is cheerleading for pete's sake - there is no safety issue here in trying out for the squad. She didn't make it, and what kid wouldn't be disappointed.
Much ado about nothing, but I will say I am glad it is in the press. She should be an inspiration to other students and adults with significant disabilities to live the dream you set for yourself.
Well, of course it's good that she tried, and kudos to her for that.
Otherwise, how does one become aware of one's limits?
But one should always be acutely aware that able-bodied or not, sometimes one's going to bump up against a wall (the limit, the boundary). I can't think of a single person I've known in my life who hasn't.
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All I see in this article is an amazing young lady, defying all odds by doing things - and not allowing others to set boundaries for her. She should be applauded. I think her parents are just encouraging their daughter to be indpendent, and to work hard for what she wants.
All she wanted was to try out, and why shouldn't she be allowed to? This is cheerleading for pete's sake - there is no safety issue here in trying out for the squad. She didn't make it, and what kid wouldn't be disappointed.
Much ado about nothing, but I will say I am glad it is in the press. She should be an inspiration to other students and adults with significant disabilities to live the dream you set for yourself.
The fact that she tried out isn't the issue. She should get accolades for taking a chance on doing something that had a "slim to none" odds of success.
In DUmmydom, they would file a lawsuit forcing the squad to accept her into a slot, depriving a capable cheerleader of fulfilling her dreams.
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Out of curiosity, how would the Big Guy feel about the esteemed physically challenged girl to be guaranteed a spot on the girls' basketball/volleball squad? What's fair is fair.
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Out of curiosity, how would the Big Guy feel about the esteemed physically challenged girl to be guaranteed a spot on the girls' basketball/volleball squad? What's fair is fair.
You're asking that of a possible pedophile?
He'll say, at least this one can't run away.
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Hi-5 Vesta!! I am only 4 foot 7, I never ever ask my supervisor to make accomodations. He has to go with the majority of the department, which is 5 feet and over and that is okay with me. There are plenty of things I can do in Lawn and Garden, that is fullfilling and I feel accomplished at the end of the day..
Did I want to join the military?? Hell yes!@! But I can't expect the military to make accomodations for me. That is not fair to the majority of our military personel, I feel. So I do things where my lack of height is not a burden on the general public...