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« on: April 29, 2012, 01:18:55 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002622380

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Disabled teen doesn't make Aurora cheerleading squads

http://www.omaha.com/article/20120428/NEWS01/704289910#disabled-teen-doesn-t-make-aurora-cheerleading-squads

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Julia Sullivan of Aurora, Neb., who was born without legs and with arms that end above her elbows, practices for cheerleading tryouts while her mother, Carolyn, and her sister, Emily Peterson, videotape her performance.

The fourth time apparently won't be the charm for Julia Sullivan, the disabled Aurora, Neb., girl who has sought to become a cheerleader.

Tryouts were held Thursday to select next year's cheerleading squads at Aurora High School. Results were posted Friday evening.

But Julia's name was not on the list for any of the three squads for 2012-13, her senior year.

Mike Sullivan, Julia's father, said his daughter was disappointed.

Click this link to watch video of Julia practicing her cheers with her family at home: http://www.omaha.com/article/20120428/NEWS01/704289910#video

FULL story at link.

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1. They should have made her the Captain of the Squad!

What's wrong with Americans?!?

Stories like this make me want to drive to Omaha and just SCREAM at the entire group... but then I would probably be arrested.

Uh.

Aurora's about halfway across Nebraska, from Omaha.

Somebody needs to pick up a geography book.

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2. Aurora was a great place to grow up..

I know the people of Aurora and they are fair..

Yeah, the people of Aurora, Nebraska probably are fair.

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3. Without regard to fairness, the ADA law applies to this public school and reasonable accommodation should be offered.

And.....your point being?

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4. If a male with similar disabilities had tried out for one of the athletic teams, should he have been accommodated? What about trying out for the debate team by an autistic child?

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6. funny you mention that...

i doubt a severely physically disadvanged child could make the cheersquad. hell, i have all my limbs and didn't make it, either.

AND: in HS back in '78 our sister school had a kid with MD. Chuck. He joined the speech team and could barely speak understandably...or hold his head up straight. Or gesture. Wheelchair bound, and dependent on people pushing it for him...

He competed anyway. Reading prose. It was painful and courageous.

By senior year he COULD hold his head up, could gesture with his arms. COULD roll his own chair with his arm power. Could speak clearly enough...

They paired him with their best actor, dramatic duet, a 5 minute cut from Arthur Miller's All My Sons. Chuck played the father.

They went to STATE!

On their own merit. Seriously.

Our team, the current and future stae champion team (we were frikking fantastic), on hearing at Regional Awards that Chuck and Rick had placed and were going to state finals, cheered them louder than we ever cheered ourselves.

It was AWESOME.

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11. Good for them. They accommodated him in ways that were possible. Where adjustment can be

done, they should be done even it it stretches the limits sometime.

Regrading cheer leading requirements:Those squads are usually made up of students that are skilled gymnasts. If the handicapped child had been selected, she couldn't have participated in much of their activities.

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9. i understand, though i know there is a way to include the severely disabled in all facets of life

and i don't mean as a matter of law, at this point.

what i mean is that this group is probably the most impoverished group in the nation, the most unemployed, the most UNDERUTILIZED, at a time when this country needs more help than ever.

and working to see that people from all facets and varying abilities are included in all sorts of areas, in ways, perhaps that are difficult to even comprehend, will make our nation better.

just like it was inconceivable at one time, not so long ago that a black man with a name like Barack Obama could be elected president, a lot of things that are hard to conceive are ultimately quite do-able in the long run.

and the funny thing is that all the decades and centuries of work that were an important part of making sure it could happen --all those efforts made us better as a nation for trying.

all i'm asking is that just because you can't conceive of it, don't shut it down.

the accommodations the parents and school district made were not the end of this story --they are a beginning. like the other poster has responded to you, the reason i'm writing this is to get you to think bigger, grander.

i'm sure there will be a time, maybe in our lifetimes when sports will be played by people you can't even conceive of now and on teams most would think are impossible today.

Bleed me your heart, dumpshit.

Despite "special accommodations," I assure you franksolich is the last person one wants as an office receptionist or dispatcher for the police or firemen.

As for the bold phrase above, that's your only relevant comment, dumpshit.

One can blame that on ADA, that there's fewer "handicapped" people gainfully employed today, than there were before ADA was even thought of.

Also, it's rather presumptuous to think "disabled" people necessarily want to be involved in things normal people are involved in.  I've watched hearing people all my life, and trust me, hearing people indulge in a great many things I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot primitive.

It's like we're too simple-minded to develop our own tastes, our own interests?

dumpshit needs to think about this.

With friends like dumpshit, we "handicapped" don't need any enemies.

And now, I'm dedicated to boosting dumpshit for inclusion in the Top DUmmies of 2012.....

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16. This thread began with the statement that a student with no arms or legs didn't make the cheer leading squad. There are NO students, anywhere, who have no arms or legs, participating on any of the active sports that require running, catching, hitting or body contact.

Please spare me the "I must be clueless" insults.

If you have in mind some sort of "mascot" or physically inactive type of status, then state what you have in mind.

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8. Most disabled people I know...

... would want to earn their spot legitimately and despise pity above all else.

Granted, most of the disabled folks I know were able bodied at one point but that's my $.02.

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10. How many ABLE bodied teens didn't make the squad.

Disappointment makes you grow.

True.

Very true.

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14. I read these stories and feel for both the parents and the child, why not focus on what the child can physically do instead of out of reach goal? As a job, this girl will not be able to do physical labor in the same way another adult will. Why not hone the skills she has. I understand that most girls want to be the popular cheerleader, maybe she can be the President of her class, etc. Channel her energies where she can succeed and feel positive about herself.

Uh huh.
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Re: the big guy posts from the doghouse
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2012, 01:35:30 PM »
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Disabled teen doesn't make Aurora cheerleading squads

http://www.omaha.com/arti...urora-cheerleading-squads

Photo: http://www.omaha.com/apps...amp;maxw=600&maxh=400

Julia Sullivan of Aurora, Neb., who was born without legs and with arms that end above her elbows, practices for cheerleading tryouts while her mother, Carolyn, and her sister, Emily Peterson, videotape her performance.

The fourth time apparently won't be the charm for Julia Sullivan, the disabled Aurora, Neb., girl who has sought to become a cheerleader.

Tryouts were held Thursday to select next year's cheerleading squads at Aurora High School. Results were posted Friday evening.

But Julia's name was not on the list for any of the three squads for 2012-13, her senior year.

Mike Sullivan, Julia's father, said his daughter was disappointed.

Click this link to watch video of Julia practicing her cheers with her family at home: http://www.omaha.com/arti...28/NEWS01/704289910#video

FULL story at link.

So, Socialist Steve, are you for or against cheerleaders without arm or legs? How about girls' basketball players without legs or arms?

Or are you afraid to express your opinion again, even on a non-controversial topic?

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Re: the big guy posts from the doghouse
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2012, 01:38:10 PM »
She seems like a sweet girl, maybe they could've created a special position for her, but there are many people who didn't make the cheerleading squad, I never tried out because I couldn't do a cartwheel or a split.
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2012, 01:50:08 PM »
She seems like a sweet girl, maybe they could've created a special position for her, but there are many people who didn't make the cheerleading squad, I never tried out because I couldn't do a cartwheel or a split.

No, they shouldn't create a "special position" for her.

It disappointed me greatly when I wasn't named music critic for the Daily Nebraskan many years ago, but I got over it, as I'm sure this young girl will.
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2012, 02:28:13 PM »
I'm sure that kid plays a mean pinball, but she'd make a lousy cheerleader.

Just by bringing it up, she's showing strong nadinesque tendencies - it's all about me, everything is only about me.

Hats off to the judges who had the courage to stand up for the other kids.

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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2012, 02:29:03 PM »
I'm sure that kid plays a mean pinball, but she'd make a lousy cheerleader.

Just by bringing it up, she's showing strong nadinesque tendencies - it's all about me, everything is only about me.

Hats off to the judges who had the courage to stand up for the other kids.


You smurky little smart ass.  :lmao:
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2012, 02:44:15 PM »
I'm sure that kid plays a mean pinball, but she'd make a lousy cheerleader.

Just by bringing it up, she's showing strong nadinesque tendencies - it's all about me, everything is only about me.

Hats off to the judges who had the courage to stand up for the other kids.

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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2012, 02:46:11 PM »
Oh, you had to bring up the pinball wizard...
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Do you have such a supple wrist?  :rotf:
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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2012, 02:47:50 PM »
Do you have such a supple wrist?  :rotf:
Well, I certainly wouldn't use it to toot my own horn !
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2012, 02:53:51 PM »
Well, I certainly wouldn't use it to toot my own horn !

LOL good one.
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2012, 03:00:43 PM »
She seems like a sweet girl, maybe they could've created a special position for her, but there are many people who didn't make the cheerleading squad, I never tried out because I couldn't do a cartwheel or a split.


     I never made the cheerleading squad specifically because I could do a cartwheel and a split. The problem was that no one wanted to see my nuts flopping out when I did them. I filed suit and lost, although I did get some special considerations from the girl's gym coach.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2012, 03:11:33 PM »

     I never made the cheerleading squad specifically because I could do a cartwheel and a split. The problem was that no one wanted to see my nuts flopping out when I did them. I filed suit and lost, although I did get some special considerations from the girl's gym coach.
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 03:37:02 PM »
After years of trying their best to disprove the fact that all people are not created equal, DUmmies still cling to that false, liberal mantra.

No special considerations. Either you perform within the standards or you go home.
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 03:39:22 PM »
After years of trying their best to disprove the fact that all people are not created equal, DUmmies still cling to that false, liberal mantra.

No special considerations. Either you perform withing the standards or you go home.


Hear, hear.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2012, 05:07:11 PM »
I never made the cheerleading squad specifically because I could do a cartwheel and a split. The problem was that no one wanted to see my nuts flopping out when I did them. I filed suit and lost, although I did get some special considerations from the girl's gym coach.

OK, the nuts comment made me :lmao:.

I don't think I'm wrong asking for something special created for this girl, maybe an honorary cheerleader etc. like it or not this girl is always going to have limitations in her life, limitations that the average person won't ever have, so why shouldn't this girl have a special moment in her life? Yes, I know what everyone is saying, that she should be treated normal like everyone else, and yeah I kind of agree with that, but I can also see it from the other perspective. If I wanted to try out to be a cheerleader I could've learned how to do a cartwheel and practice enough so that I didn't look mentally challenged doing it, I could've learned to do a split, I didn't but I had the opportunity unlike this girl.
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 05:15:42 PM »

Now, don't overdo your compassion, sweetheart.

Everybody has "limitations," including yourself.

I can't hear; you know what that means, and probably you have an idea of things I can't do.

But you, even though normal, have limitations I don't have.

For example, I don't think you could put a rope around a steer and haul it somewhere (on foot; I don't do horses because I'm also limited in that I don't have a right elbow).

Or maybe you can't reach the top cupboard in the kitchen without a step-stool, any more than nadin can play basketball.

Everybody has limitations. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2012, 05:23:25 PM »

Now, don't overdo your compassion, sweetheart.

Everybody has "limitations," including yourself.

I can't hear; you know what that means, and probably you have an idea of things I can't do.

But you, even though normal, have limitations I don't have.

For example, I don't think you could put a rope around a steer and haul it somewhere (on foot; I don't do horses because I'm also limited in that I don't have a right elbow).

Or maybe you can't reach the top cupboard in the kitchen without a step-stool, any more than nadin can play basketball.

Everybody has limitations.

Yes, a lot of us have self imposed limitations, this girl has physical limitations that will limit her more in life then the average person.

We had a local kid who had..............I think it was Downs Syndrome, it was going to take her an extra few years to graduate HS, she wanted to walk with the graduation class that included kids she went to school with since kindergarten, and they allowed her to do it after saying they wouldn't. I didn't see anything wrong with that at all.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 05:32:07 PM »
Yes, a lot of us have self imposed limitations, this girl has physical limitations that will limit her more in life then the average person.

We had a local kid who had..............I think it was Downs Syndrome, it was going to take her an extra few years to graduate HS, she wanted to walk with the graduation class that included kids she went to school with since kindergarten, and they allowed her to do it after saying they wouldn't. I didn't see anything wrong with that at all.

Now, now.

Being short is not "self-imposed."

I consider shortness a significant handicap, and my gut wrenches for short people when I think of the things they can't do.  Sometimes I cry like a broken dike when seeing a short person being compelled to use something on which to stand--I suppose one could call it a "special accommodation"--it's so sad.  All that time and trouble, when all I have to do is merely extend my arm a little bit.

I agree with that one primitive, who said the girl should concentrate upon things she can do--such as being the president of her class in school--rather than forcing society to go through the time and trouble and expense of providing "special accommodations".

And as for your example, I don't think that's the same thing.  She went through school many years with this group of people, and so it shouldn't be any big deal if she walked with them when they graduated.
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2012, 06:13:14 PM »
If this special situation were to be satisfied, what would the next set of standards that would be overlooked/amended?
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2012, 06:26:42 PM »
I have to wonder if men and women think differently about this type of issue.
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2012, 06:33:52 PM »
Again I have a lot of respect for the judges who had the courage to preserve the experience for the other kids.

They knew left-wing democrat nutcases would try to make them out as villains.

It's not always all about the one with the handicap, although that's certainly the politically-correct position.

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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2012, 06:42:07 PM »
I have to wonder if men and women think differently about this type of issue.

If you mean by bending, twisting or breaking standards in order to demoralize a large group of students, those who failed to measure up, in order to make one individual feel special, then yes, we think different.

If you lower to value of achievement, then everyone loses.
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2012, 06:47:34 PM »
If you mean by bending, twisting or breaking standards in order to demoralize a large group of students, those who failed to measure up, in order to make one individual feel special, then yes, we think different.

If you lower to value of achievement, then everyone loses.

Girls just want to belong to a group, not every girl feels like that but a lot do, this girl probably just wants to fit in for 1 time in her life, to be viewed as normal, to be attractive to boys. Should she be a cheerleader? no, but what would be wrong with making her a cheerleader mascot? or something like that?
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2012, 07:11:42 PM »
Girls just want to belong to a group, not every girl feels like that but a lot do, this girl probably just wants to fit in for 1 time in her life, to be viewed as normal, to be attractive to boys. Should she be a cheerleader? no, but what would be wrong with making her a cheerleader mascot? or something like that?

She should find what she is good at and then strive to excel in that endeavor.

I hate to break it to you but if she were to be granted this and become a mascot, it would not make her any more or any less attractive to boys. We don't judge women by achievements. As much as a dirty, stinking DUmmy will refuse to admit, we are drawn by physical appearances. A man sees a woman and he doesn't think that he would like to discuss Wadsworth or Whitman with her. He is thinking how to boink her, in a respectful way. O-)

DUmmies go for the purse first.

I know it sounds shallow but all that other stuff, like romance, comes later.
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2012, 07:25:44 PM »
She should find what she is good at and then strive to excel in that endeavor.

I hate to break it to you but if she were to be granted this and become a mascot, it would not make her any more or any less attractive to boys. We don't judge women by achievements. As much as a dirty, stinking DUmmy will refuse to admit, we are drawn by physical appearances. A man sees a woman and he doesn't think that he would like to discuss Wadsworth or Whitman with her. He is thinking how to boink her, in a respectful way. O-)

DUmmies go for the purse first.

I know it sounds shallow but all that other stuff, like romance, comes later.

Women know that though, not girls, girls want to be attractive to boys, they think being a cheerleader etc. will help her in that quest.
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