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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: Kyle Ricky on March 16, 2012, 04:57:59 PM
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America is suffering a pandemic of harm from pornography. A wealth of research is now available demonstrating that pornography causes profound brain changes in both children and adults, resulting in widespread negative consequences. Addiction to pornography is now common for adults and even for some children. The average age of first exposure to hard-core, Internet pornography is now 11. Pornography is toxic to marriages and relationships. It contributes to misogyny and violence against women. It is a contributing factor to prostitution and sex trafficking.
Every family must now be concerned about the harm from pornography. As a parent, I am concerned about the widespread distribution of illegal obscene pornography and its profound effects on our culture.
For many decades, the American public has actively petitioned the United States Congress for laws prohibiting distribution of hard-core adult pornography.
Congress has responded. Current federal “obscenity†laws prohibit distribution of hardcore (obscene) pornography on the Internet, on cable/satellite TV, on hotel/motel TV, in retail shops and through the mail or by common carrier. Rick Santorum believes that federal obscenity laws should be vigorously enforced. “If elected President, I will appoint an Attorney General who will do so.â€
The Obama Administration has turned a blind eye to those who wish to preserve our culture from the scourge of pornography and has refused to enforce obscenity laws. While the Obama Department of Justice seems to favor pornographers over children and families, that will change under a Santorum Administration.
I proudly support the efforts of the War on Illegal Pornography Coalition that has tirelessly fought to get federal obscenity laws enforced. That coalition is composed of 120 national, state, and local groups, including Morality in Media, Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, American Family Association, Cornerstone Family Council of New Hampshire, Pennsylvania Family Institute, Concerned Women for America, The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, and a host of other groups. Together we will prevail.
http://www.ricksantorum.com/enforcing-laws-against-illegal-pornography
That is from his website. He announced that if he is elected, he will outlaw porn. I can't see it completely going away. But it will interesting to see if he does, if he becomes President. I wonder what the liberals are saying about this? They are probably standing up for porn now :rofl:
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Too late. He's going against settled caselaw. The USSC has ruled that pornography, unless patently obscene, is a First Amendment protected form of speech.
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He won't have the authority to outlaw porn.
Hell, the courts don't even have a working definition of it.
I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that. [Emphasis added.]
—Justice Potter Stewart, concurring opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio 378 U.S. 184 (1964), regarding possible obscenity in The Lovers.
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If you want porn....buy a bigger mirror. :-)
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Too late. He's going against settled caselaw. The USSC has ruled that pornography, unless patently obscene, is a First Amendment protected form of speech.
And "patently obscene" is open for debate on actual legal definition.
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http://www.ricksantorum.com/enforcing-laws-against-illegal-pornography
That is from his website. He announced that if he is elected, he will outlaw porn. I can't see it completely going away. But it will interesting to see if he does, if he becomes President. I wonder what the liberals are saying about this? They are probably standing up for porn now :rofl:
Someone tell Rick Santorum that there are bigger things to worry about first.
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^Bigger things to worry about period.
http://www.ricksantorum.com/enforcing-laws-against-illegal-pornography
That is from his website. He announced that if he is elected, he will outlaw porn. I can't see it completely going away. But it will interesting to see if he does, if he becomes President. I wonder what the liberals are saying about this? They are probably standing up for porn now :rofl:
Hey, this is where some of my Conservative compatriots, and I disagree again. I personally like porn alright, and have use for it now, and again. (Uh, not having a girl, or "friends with benefits" makes it more of a thing, but I digress) Just as I have use for my television, radio, lights, etc now and again. Granted, it's more, but the relation still stands. If Santorum is going to stand against one's right to masturbate, I'm going to stand completely against him. This is one instance where I'm going to say "Stay the **** out of my bedroom, bathroom, and house all together."
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^Bigger things to worry about period.
Hey, this is where some of my Conservative compatriots, and I disagree again. I personally like porn alright, and have use for it now, and again. (Uh, not having a girl, or "friends with benefits" makes it more of a thing, but I digress) Just as I have use for my television, radio, lights, etc now and again. Granted, it's more, but the relation still stands. If Santorum is going to stand against one's right to masturbate, I'm going to stand completely against him. This is one instance where I'm going to say "Stay the **** out of my bedroom, bathroom, and house all together."
He's not saying that you can't spank your monkey.
He just wants to remove the visual aides that helps you out with the spanking.
:whistling:
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^Bigger things to worry about period.
Hey, this is where some of my Conservative compatriots, and I disagree again. I personally like porn alright, and have use for it now, and again. (Uh, not having a girl, or "friends with benefits" makes it more of a thing, but I digress) Just as I have use for my television, radio, lights, etc now and again. Granted, it's more, but the relation still stands. If Santorum is going to stand against one's right to masturbate, I'm going to stand completely against him. This is one instance where I'm going to say "Stay the **** out of my bedroom, bathroom, and house all together."
You're not old enough to remember when porn was very illegal.....there were plenty of "stag films" and projectors to flash the movie up on a white wall or bedsheet....
Just don't hang the bedsheet over the big triple/bay window in the livingroom. :-)
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While, as a Mormon, I really, really loath porn and appreciate Mr. Santorum's sentiment, I wonder how much of this is to pander to big-government supporters; AKA Romney-philes. :thatsright:
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So long as all the participants are consenting adults , and all the audience are consenting adults - It's none of my business , and none of the governments business.
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So long as all the participants are consenting adults , and all the audience are consenting adults - It's none of my business , and none of the governments business.
Exactly.
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No way it will happen. The Supreme Court has already ruled that pornography is permitted by the First Amendment. Santorum might try, but it would have to get through Congress first.
You might as well try to take away a man's beer. Not gonna happen.
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So long as all the participants are consenting adults , and all the audience are consenting adults - It's none of my business , and none of the governments business.
:yeahthat:
I wonder if Santorum has seen "The People vs. Larry Flynt"
(Even though I think Flynt is a giant scumbag, ya'll get my point.
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So long as all the participants are consenting adults , and all the audience are consenting adults - It's none of my business , and none of the governments business.
As the only woman in this thread, I totally agree!
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I'll give Santorum credit, he gives an eloquent argument for his case but it just won't pass muster in a free society. I can understand wanting to protect children and families but we have enough laws already thanks to overzealous people on both sides of the aisle.
The 18th Amendment was passed under a Democratic President with a Democratic House and Senate and it still didn't work. All it did was prop up criminals who prospered as a result. No thanks.
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As the only woman in this thread, I totally agree!
You're braver than most, BEG. :)
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Yes, he does give a good argument. I know he won't be able to outlaw it, but it would be interesting to see him try.
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As the only woman in this thread, I totally agree!
As the second only woman in this thread, I concur with your agreeing!
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Santorum would be doomed to failure. The federal government can't even pass child pornography laws without being challenged by the left in court. An adult porn ban would never fly.
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And this is where Santorum ****s up every time.
IT'S THE ECONOMY, STOOPID!
Leave the porn argument and the religious argument and the rest of the social conservative stuff FOR YOUR SECOND TERM, RICK. Should you get there, of course.
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Some politicians never learn the first rule of hole digging.
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And this is where Santorum ****s up every time.
IT'S THE ECONOMY, STOOPID!
Leave the porn argument and the religious argument and the rest of the social conservative stuff FOR YOUR SECOND TERM, RICK. Should you get there, of course.
H5
He lost the primary vote in Ohio because of the contraception issue. Women turned on him. I prefer Santorum over Romney but I don't think Santorum is too bright. Notice how Romney stays out of these type of issues when the liberal media tries to bait him.
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Actually, he doesn't say anything about changing laws, only about enforcing them. ::)
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So long as all the participants are consenting adults , and all the audience are consenting adults - It's none of my business , and none of the governments business.
We have a winnah!
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And this is where Santorum ****s up every time.
IT'S THE ECONOMY, STOOPID!
Leave the porn argument and the religious argument and the rest of the social conservative stuff FOR YOUR SECOND TERM, RICK. Should you get there, of course.
H5
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You might as well try to take away a man's beer. Not gonna happen.
Yeah, and they tried that once. Didn't work out too well then either.
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So long as all the participants are consenting adults , and all the audience are consenting adults - It's none of my business , and none of the governments business.
^H5
Shit like this brings out my inner Libertarian.
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^H5
Shit like this brings out my inner Libertarian.
Hi 5. What you said.
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Actually, he doesn't say anything about changing laws, only about enforcing them. ::)
Economy. That is the only thing he should be talking about.
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Guy wants to make consenting adults bumping naughty bits being watched by other consenting adults who use it to bump their naughty bits illegal. Oy.
Keep reminding me why I didn't vote for him. Oh wait, he does it for me.
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Guy wants to make consenting adults bumping naughty bits being watched by other consenting adults who use it to bump their naughty bits illegal. Oy.
Keep reminding me why I didn't vote for him. Oh wait, he does it for me.
So funny, when is he going to come up with a dress code for men, make them keep their nipples covered as the law in most places demands for woman???
Guess this male has never gone to a Mall and seen how the teenage girls dress, or that matter their own mothers in public. I have at times had to laugh uproariously when Hubby walked into a post when some half necked female walked past.
Darn woman, want to see porn from the 1600's check out paintings of our Founding Fathers all so well dressed with a good size Cod Piece. Many a woman has been oh so disappointed on their wedding night when the groom dropped his trousers.
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So funny, when is he going to come up with a dress code for men, make them keep their nipples covered as the law in most places demands for woman???
Guess this male has never gone to a Mall and seen how the teenage girls dress, or that matter their own mothers in public. I have at times had to laugh uproariously when Hubby walked into a post when some half necked female walked past.
Darn woman, want to see porn from the 1600's check out paintings of our Founding Fathers all so well dressed with a good size Cod Piece. Many a woman has been oh so disappointed on their wedding night when the groom dropped his trousers.
No tan line ?
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Economy. That is the only thing he should be talking about.
Definitely the biggest topic by far. However, it is irritating to see conservatives ignore the actual words of the OP. One of our beefs with Obama is his justice department's lack of enforcing the law, then we turn around and misread Santorum's promise to uphold the law because we may not agree with some of the laws on the book. ::)
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If Santorum wants to enforce the present laws on the books, especially against human sex trafficing, that's fine with me. However, if two (or more) consenting adults engage in sexual behavior, and their behavior is recorded with all of the participants' consent, I find it rather difficult to argue against that, especially since the SCOTUS has ruled that it is "free speech protected by the First Amendment."
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If Santorum wants to enforce the present laws on the books, especially against human sex trafficing, that's fine with me. However, if two (or more) consenting adults engage in sexual behavior, and their behavior is recorded with all of the participants' consent, I find it rather difficult to argue against that, especially since the SCOTUS has ruled that it is "free speech protected by the First Amendment."
I agree. My only issue is when it is so hard to avoid such in internet searches or watching TV. What adults do is no one else's business, I just wish they'd leave it at "no one else's business," if you know what I mean.
My youngest daughter was once researching birds for a school report. She looked up information on several different birds, then asked me what the bird was that lived under the highway overpass. Without thinking, I told her "Swallow," so she looked that up. OMG!! I quickly changed her search to "Barn Swallow" with quotations. :thatsright:
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I agree. My only issue is when it is so hard to avoid such in internet searches or watching TV. What adults do is no one else's business, I just wish they'd leave it at "no one else's business," if you know what I mean.
My youngest daughter was once researching birds for a school report. She looked up information on several different birds, then asked me what the bird was that lived under the highway overpass. Without thinking, I told her "Swallow," so she looked that up. OMG!! I quickly changed her search to "Barn Swallow" with quotations. :thatsright:
Whoops! O-)
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Banning porn aside because he simply won't be able to nor should he. I tried explaining it to someone on FR though it's hard to talk rationally with people who think the solution to all America's problems is restoring "morality". By legislation if they have to. That's no different than what the left wants to do only in the other direction. Conservatives should always be about limited government.
But this is what makes Santorum NOT ready for prime time. He gets sucked into this crap by the media all the time. When the tried to goad Newt on the whole slut thing, he turned it around on them and instead talked about his important issues. Here Santorum had the ear of the NATIONAL press...free publicity (considering how little money he has you'd think he'd really take advantage of these opportunity). He could have said something like, "I think morality is important for America to thrive but right now people are most concerned about the economy so here's what I'm going to do to help them..." If he can't even handle the media how is he ever going to handle communicating with leaders of a hostile country?
Cindie
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I agree. My only issue is when it is so hard to avoid such in internet searches or watching TV. What adults do is no one else's business, I just wish they'd leave it at "no one else's business," if you know what I mean.
My youngest daughter was once researching birds for a school report. She looked up information on several different birds, then asked me what the bird was that lived under the highway overpass. Without thinking, I told her "Swallow," so she looked that up. OMG!! I quickly changed her search to "Barn Swallow" with quotations. :thatsright:
Yeah, had a friend who's BTDT with her 10-year old. Teachers wanted to look up a favorite topic on the innerwebs and write a report on what she found.
It's amazing - and disgusting - what the search term "I Love Horses" will turn up.
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I agree. My only issue is when it is so hard to avoid such in internet searches or watching TV. What adults do is no one else's business, I just wish they'd leave it at "no one else's business," if you know what I mean.
My youngest daughter was once researching birds for a school report. She looked up information on several different birds, then asked me what the bird was that lived under the highway overpass. Without thinking, I told her "Swallow," so she looked that up. OMG!! I quickly changed her search to "Barn Swallow" with quotations. :thatsright:
Use Yahoo and turn on Safe Search.
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^Bigger things to worry about period.
Hey, this is where some of my Conservative compatriots, and I disagree again. I personally like porn alright, and have use for it now, and again. (Uh, not having a girl, or "friends with benefits" makes it more of a thing, but I digress) Just as I have use for my television, radio, lights, etc now and again. Granted, it's more, but the relation still stands. If Santorum is going to stand against one's right to masturbate, I'm going to stand completely against him. This is one instance where I'm going to say "Stay the **** out of my bedroom, bathroom, and house all together."
Revs , I can relate....
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What a tightrope conservatives have to walk, especially social conservatives.
I didn't see Santorum's quote the way some did here. I read it as enforcing existing laws And my personal thoughts on the ease of access to pornography did a 180-degree turn the day my daughter was born. I agree with you all about the "consenting adults" part; but what a soul-killing way to make a buck.
And one more thing: there is no way in hell the MSM wouldn't make this election about social issues. 0'Bama can't win on his record.
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Promising you're going to do something if elected, which anyone who ever took an undergrad Constitutional Law class would know you'd have no actual power to do, is just ****ing stupid.
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Promising you're going to do something if elected, which anyone who ever took an undergrad Constitutional Law class would know you'd have no actual power to do, is just ****ing stupid.
Still, far far better than owebuma.
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JohnnyReb is not a masterbater....he's still an amateur. :-)
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JohnnyReb is not a masterbater....he's still an amateur. :-)
Apprentice ?
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JohnnyReb is not a masterbater....he's still an amateur. :-)
So, ya still gotta use both hands, then?
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I agree. My only issue is when it is so hard to avoid such in internet searches or watching TV. What adults do is no one else's business, I just wish they'd leave it at "no one else's business," if you know what I mean.
My youngest daughter was once researching birds for a school report. She looked up information on several different birds, then asked me what the bird was that lived under the highway overpass. Without thinking, I told her "Swallow," so she looked that up. OMG!! I quickly changed her search to "Barn Swallow" with quotations. :thatsright:
Careful searching up "Woodpecker." :-)
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JohnnyReb is not a masterbater....he's still an amateur. :-)
Get your a self part time job on a fishing boat, spend 500 hours throwing chum and what not into the water. Learn how to bait hooks threw the eye sockets of eels and how to best impale a worm on a hook for fresh water. To be a masturbating one must know the tide or currents of the area. The correct species, the feeding habits and the time of the moon to best catch them.
One can be a masturbating on a farm or out laying areas that to protect live stock from varmints. Same knowledge as those that fish, know the species their habits and the time of the moon.
Cops are famous masturbating, they know where to lay their traps to catch crooks.
The best masturbating are the poititions that lay in wait for the average Joe to come along and pick their pocket clean. Wonderful Bait's, they open the cage door and convince one to climb in. The bait is free just lots of promisses none written down naturally and all open to change.
If Santorum wants to change Porn, he only has to open the DC phone book to the yellow pages that has 15-20 pages of adds for escort services and the pages of the X rated video stores rent out film. Just have to careful his name does not come up as a customer of either business he targets.
Mother once told me that the men and woman that speak out about specifies Sins are the ones most likely to be committing them.
Nothing wrong with masterbaiting, for the normal people that make a living out of it. Hell what would we do up here if the masterbaiting wild life officers did not remove bears and varmints from our yards. We have bats that must be removed and raccoons, so we call the Masterbaiters to remove them.
Have no fear Johnny keep practicing and soon you can open your own business.
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Vexcon to the rescue.
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Promising you're going to do something if elected, which anyone who ever took an undergrad Constitutional Law class would know you'd have no actual power to do, is just ****ing stupid.
Promising to uphold the current laws is NOT stupid.
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Promising to uphold the current laws is NOT stupid.
^5
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Promising to uphold the current laws is NOT stupid.
It is when the Supreme Court long ago rendered 'The current law' completely unenforceable, but feel whatever you want about it, it's a free country.
As SSB's thread with the much more inflammatory title notes, what it does amount to is a pointless diversion of campaign effort by Santorum to go down this rabbit trail, when his chief primary opponent doesn't have any vulnerabilities on this point and is instead focusing on the economic issues that are a more general concern. Is it a way to recover from some of the 'Anti-woman' attacks by the Dems, maybe, but there are better ways to address that than to use his limited campaign capital to attack in an entirely new direction where nobody he's opposing has an actual position in the first place.
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So long as all the participants are consenting adults , and all the audience are consenting adults - It's none of my business , and none of the governments business.
And I agree wholeheartedly as well. There are some things that can and cannot be done in a free society, especially when we believe in small government. I think in matters such as this, one leads by example. We all see examples of decent civilized living all around us. We pattern ourselves after those behaviors, and try to pattern our children's. I resist all nanny-statism. That is why I'm not a Santorum girl.
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http://www.ricksantorum.com/enforcing-laws-against-illegal-pornography
That is from his website. He announced that if he is elected, he will outlaw porn. I can't see it completely going away. But it will interesting to see if he does, if he becomes President. I wonder what the liberals are saying about this? They are probably standing up for porn now :rofl:
Either you have a real reading comprehension problem with what you quoted above or you're just not that bright.
Not sure which yet.
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Either you have a real reading comprehension problem with what you quoted above or you're just not that bright.
Not sure which yet.
I was unpleasantly surprised by the number of posters that commented on "outlawing porn" without evidently reading or understanding what Santorum said. :(
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Santorum has revealed himself to be a whiny little brat, MrsSmith with his "it's better to vote for Obama than Romney". Sorry, any support I had for him, he's worked his ass off to lose.
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Santorum has revealed himself to be a whiny little brat, MrsSmith with his "it's better to vote for Obama than Romney". Sorry, any support I had for him, he's worked his ass off to lose.
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Santorum has revealed himself to be a whiny little brat, MrsSmith with his "it's better to vote for Obama than Romney". Sorry, any support I had for him, he's worked his ass off to lose.
Same here. He allows the media to put him on the defense too much. Can you imagine what Obama and the Democrats would do to him. The nominee need to go on the offense and stay on the offense with issues that will win the election. Porn and contraception is not going to do the trick. Just STFU about those type of issues. Blast Obama on his economic policies, energy, health care, debt and jobs. That is what will win independents over to our side. They are the group that determines elections and they are more interested in pocketbook issues. I know Repubs are not too swift. However, it should not take a mental giant to figure that out.
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Santorum has revealed himself to be a whiny little brat, MrsSmith with his "it's better to vote for Obama than Romney". Sorry, any support I had for him, he's worked his ass off to lose.
That was taken out of context as well by the AP and reported as fact.
He's saying if there is no difference between the two candidates...Obama and Romney...whisch there really isn't...then four more years of Obama will be no different than having President Romney.
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So wait let me get this straight...we bitch and moan when a Republican candidate for ANY position doesn't stand up for them selves and we wish they'd throw the media's crap back in their face...but when the DO that...suddenly they are "whiny"?
Which way do you want it? Cause you can't have it both ways.
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He's saying if there is no difference between the two candidates...Obama and Romney...whisch there really isn't...then four more years of Obama will be no different than having President Romney.
You said we're misunderstanding him and then, with this quote, back up our assumptions. Yes there is and if that's the way Santorum believes, he doesn't have my vote. There's a difference between a liberal-moderate Republican that loves his nation, has no problem drilling, is a Capitalist, and a full, balls to the wall ****ing Marxist. He may not be as right as you, me, or Santorum who, although he tries to portray the opposite, IS a big government politician, but he's FAR from Obama.
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That was taken out of context as well by the AP and reported as fact.
He's saying if there is no difference between the two candidates...Obama and Romney...whisch there really isn't...then four more years of Obama will be no different than having President Romney.
Hey tx. Good to have you back, first of all! :cheersmate:
Second, you have to admit, that was a pretty stupid thing for Santorum to say. A ham sandwich would be better in office than 0bama. Santorum broke Regan's cardinal rule, and therefore, lost my vote.
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Hey tx. Good to have you back, first of all! :cheersmate:
Thanks. Nice to be back.
Second, you have to admit, that was a pretty stupid thing for Santorum to say. A ham sandwich would be better in office than 0bama. Santorum broke Regan's cardinal rule, and therefore, lost my vote.
And what about Romney attacking everyone but Dr. Nutz in his ads? He's spamming the airwaves with negative ads not agianst Obama...but against fellow Republicans.
Hell I can link right now to a post I made elsewhere where I said something to the effect that "If Ron Paul were to become our nominee we might as well elect Barry for another 4 years"...because there's virtually no difference between the two.
And ike I said...if you go back and read the full Santorum quote in context...it changes entirely whta he was trying to say.
If anything he's guilty only of falling into a media "gotcha" moment...helped along no doubt by Romney's press flacks.
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Thanks. Nice to be back.
And what about Romney attacking everyone but Dr. Nutz in his ads? He's spamming the airwaves with negative ads not agianst Obama...but against fellow Republicans.
Hell I can link right now to a post I made elsewhere where I said something to the effect that "If Ron Paul were to become our nominee we might as well elect Barry for another 4 years"...because there's virtually no difference between the two.
And ike I said...if you go back and read the full Santorum quote in context...it changes entirely whta he was trying to say.
If anything he's guilty only of falling into a media "gotcha" moment...helped along no doubt by Romney's press flacks.
The Repub candidates have to learn not to fall into those gotcha questions that the liberal media sets a trap for to get a headline. Do what Clinton and Obama does. Change the subject, spin, and turn your answer into something that will put your opponent on the defensive. Democrats are good at doing that. Repubs, not too hot. Santorum is not a disciplined politician.
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Santorum has revealed himself to be a whiny little brat, MrsSmith with his "it's better to vote for Obama than Romney". Sorry, any support I had for him, he's worked his ass off to lose.
What he said was that, on healthcare, Romney and Obama are the same. It was not a general statement, it was very specific to one subject. But there's no reason for us to actually read what he said in the OP or get a complete and accurate quote of what he said about Romney. It's much better to just listen to the left-media and take their word for it. That way, we can fit right in with most of the country.
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Can I ask you two something? MrsSmith and TRG? If Romney gets the nomination, will you support him? I think you KNOW he was never my first choice, but I know when to play the odds. If you won't, I don't think you understand the judicial implications, specifically the USSC.
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The Repub candidates have to learn not to fall into those gotcha questions that the liberal media sets a trap for to get a headline. Do what Clinton and Obama does. Change the subject, spin, and turn your answer into something that will put your opponent on the defensive.
You can't change the subject when every single question is a repeat of the last. You can't refuse to answer or be a part of a press brief because to the media THAT is a gotcha moment too. Basically the way the media operates now every press event is one giant "gotcha" moment. Clinton and Obama didn't change the subject so much as they were never asked the tough questions. And they never will be. And when someone like a Jason Mattera or others ask the tough question that reporter gets blasted.
Why do you think they avoid Fox News like the plague and try to demagogue it every chance they get.
And when uncomfortable gaffes open mic moments or a Joe Biden speech actually does make it to the light of day via Fox or a website like NewsBusters....the MSM ignores it. If they don't report it...it never happened.
Democrats are good at doing that. Repubs, not too hot. Santorum is not a disciplined politician.
Democrats look good at doing that because they have a media willing to help their image. The GOP would look just as good if the MSM was fluffing them in the same manner they are the Dems.
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Santorum has revealed himself to be a whiny little brat, MrsSmith with his "it's better to vote for Obama than Romney". Sorry, any support I had for him, he's worked his ass off to lose.
I said the same thing about a vote for Ron Paul by the GOP.
The AP and the rest of the media have purposely taken what Santorum said out of context to get just the reaction you are giving.
Don't you realize that?
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Can I ask you two something? MrsSmith and TRG? If Romney gets the nomination, will you support him? I think you KNOW he was never my first choice, but I know when to play the odds. If you won't, I don't think you understand the judicial implications, specifically the USSC.
I'll vote for him. Anyone is better than Obama, but anyone except Paul would have been better than Romney. My choice for President is:
Last) Obama
Next to last) Paul
Third worst) Romney
Best) Any of the other candidates
I'll vote for Third worst, if Romney wins the primary.
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Can I ask you two something? MrsSmith and TRG? If Romney gets the nomination, will you support him? I think you KNOW he was never my first choice, but I know when to play the odds. If you won't, I don't think you understand the judicial implications, specifically the USSC.
Yes if he ends up being the nominee I'll hold my nose (as I did in '96 and '08) and vote for the RINO.
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You can't change the subject when every single question is a repeat of the last. You can't refuse to answer or be a part of a press brief because to the media THAT is a gotcha moment too. Basically the way the media operates now every press event is one giant "gotcha" moment. Clinton and Obama didn't change the subject so much as they were never asked the tough questions. And they never will be. And when someone like a Jason Mattera or others ask the tough question that reporter gets blasted.
Sure you can. Newt was very good at answering gotcha question from the liberal media. After SC, he lost it and was overwhelmed by negative attack ads from his oppenets who had ten times as much money as him.
Notice how Obama spins the high gas prices. He blames the oil companies and the media carries his water. Jobs, gas prices, the economy, etc are the issues that Repubs need to focus on. Stay away from commenting on porn and contraception. If I am not mistaken, Santorum is the only candidate that has jumped into that topic. If the Repubs allow the media and Obama to focus on everything but his record and fall into that trap, they will lose. That should not be too hard for anyone to understand. IMO, Santorum is not a disciplined politician; he allows himself to be draggged into issues that will play to the base but to independents voters, it is a losing proposition.
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Sure you can. Newt was very good at answering gotcha question from the liberal media. After SC, he lost it and was overwhelmed by negative attack ads from his oppenets who had ten times as much money as him.
Only one opponent has been spamming the airwaves with negativity against other GOP contenders....Romney.
And if Newt's ability to throw media gotcha's back at the media equated to anything other than applause lines he'd be a front runner.
Notice how Obama spins the high gas prices. He blames the oil companies and the media carries his water. Jobs, gas prices, the economy, etc are the issues that Repubs need to focus on. Stay away from commenting on porn and contraception. If I am not mistaken, Santorum is the only candidate that has jumped into that topic. If the Repubs allow the media and Obama to focus on everything but his record and fall into that trap, they will lose. That should not be too hard for anyone to understand.
The media could ask hundreds of other relevant questions...but because they have an agenda...the only thing you'll ever see on TV is the ones that make the GOP look the worst they can.
Don't you get that? There is nothing the GOP can do...except use the higher viewership of places like Fox News to get their message out (and they won't do that for some unknown reason)...to stop what the MSM is doing in covering up the mess Obama is making and doing everything they can to throw the blame on the GOP.
Oh sure he could refuse to answer questions about religion and contraception...but then he falls into the trap again. By not answering you allow the media to make the answer up for you. I teach soldiers from privates to Generals that the one thing you absolutely can NOT say is "no comment" or refuse to answer a question. The same thing applies to politicians.
IMO, Santorum is not a disciplined politician who allows himself to be draggged into issues that will play to the base but to independents voters, it is a losing proposition.
You're wrong.
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Oh sure he could refuse to answer questions about religion and contraception...but then he falls into the trap again. By not answering you allow the media to make the answer up for you. I teach soldiers from privates to Generals that the one thing you absolutely can NOT say is "no comment" or refuse to answer a question. The same thing applies to politicians.
You're wrong.
It appears you do not know the difference between answering a question by spin opposed to answering it directly. Obama's press secretary does it every time he gives answers reporters questions. They are not all softball questions either. I never stated that Repubs should refuse to comment on a question. The Repub candidate should deploy the same tactics that the democraps use.
Independents will decide the election; that is a fact. Most of them want to know about economic issues such as jobs, unemployment, debt, gas prices and what the Repub will do to fix the problems. Like I said, if the Repubs allow Obama and the Democrats to frame the election on other issues such as race, abortion and other social issues, Obama will win reelection
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It appears you do not know the difference between answering a question by spin opposed to answering it directly. Obama's press secretary does it every time he gives answers reporters questions. They are not all softball questions either. I never stated that Repubs should refuse to comment on a question. The Repub candidate should deploy the same tactics that the democraps use.
I know the difference. I've been dealing with the media as part of my job since 1992. I stand behind everything I've said in how the media handles things.
The bottom line is that it doesn't matter how a Republican answers a question...the media will portray it and edit it how ever they need to in order to fit their narrative.
Just like the AP did with the "might as well vote for Obama" clip.
And if you think that Jay Carney gets hard hitting questions...you don't know the difference between softball and hard hitting questions.
That is if you can actually get them to answer them at all. The press office more and more shuts out the media and just releases press statements on certain events with photos taken by WH photogs.
Any event where the media is actually at is carefully crafted and the questions are known in advance.
Independents will decide the election; that is a fact. Most of them want to know about economic issues such as jobs, unemployment, debt, gas prices and what the Repub will do to fix the problems. Like I said, if the Repubs allow Obama and the Democrats to frame the election on other issues such as race, abortion and other social issues, Obama will win reelection
IF you can't get the base motivated the so called Independents won't matter. Why do you think Obama has trotted out a war on women...forced churches to pay for abortions and stoked the fires on a race war in Florida? He's firing up HIS base.
And FWIW Santorum has addressed the economic issues what to do about the gas prices and even IIRC taxes.
Romney just runs attack ads and says nothing.
Again you just don't seem to get it...the Republicans running for President right now have NO CONTROL over the framing of this election...not as long as you have the media holding daily conference calls with the WH and repeating what the WH tells them to without so much as a cursory fact check.
Just look at the blonde bimbo on Morning Joe that reads texts from the WH straight from her BlackBerry on the air to counter Republican guests.
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Only one opponent has been spamming the airwaves with negativity against other GOP contenders....Romney.
I used to think that and then finally realized, that's the game, SFC. If Santorum and Newt can't handle Romney's negative ads, what makes anyone think they'll be able to withstand the Obama behemoth coupled with a knob-slobbering MSM carrying his spit bucket?
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I used to think that and then finally realized, that's the game, SFC. If Santorum and Newt can't handle Romney's negative ads, what makes anyone think they'll be able to withstand the Obama behemoth coupled with a knob-slobbering MSM carrying his spit bucket?
I don't think Romney knows what he's in for either for that matter. If he thinks he can spread his money around like he's been doing to people like Drudge and Coulter to get favorable coverage in the general election like he's done in the primaries he's fooling himself.
He's gonna find out like McCain did just how much the media...who like in '08 has been nice to the GOP "frontrunner"...REALLY loves him.
If Romney had spent more time trying to convert the base and let us know what he plans on doing to turn the country around and less time treating Santorum and Gingrich like Dem opponents...and figuring out how he's gonna counter the blitz of ads pointing out how Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare...and the ones that will paint him as the leader of the 1%...he might not have had the problems he does now winning over the GOP base and states other than blue states in the primaries.
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I don't think Romney knows what he's in for either for that matter. If he thinks he can spread his money around like he's been doing to people like Drudge and Coulter to get favorable coverage in the general election like he's done in the primaries he's fooling himself.
He's gonna find out like McCain did just how much the media...who like in '08 has been nice to the GOP "frontrunner"...REALLY loves him.
If Romney had spent more time trying to convert the base and let us know what he plans on doing to turn the country around and less time treating Santorum and Gingrich like Dem opponents...and figuring out how he's gonna counter the blitz of ads pointing out how Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare...and the ones that will paint him as the leader of the 1%...he might not have had the problems he does now winning over the GOP base and states other than blue states in the primaries.
McCain had one thing working against him, an idiot with no record and a ton of slogans used to work up the Dumb Masses/Dumbasses (take your pick). Romney is running against Obama with a record, and one that's a miserable pile of steaming dogshit. The only thing Obama can run on is against Romney. He can't run on his own record because he has no positive record.
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IF you can't get the base motivated the so called Independents won't matter. Why do you think Obama has trotted out a war on women...forced churches to pay for abortions and stoked the fires on a race war in Florida? He's firing up HIS base.
And FWIW Santorum has addressed the economic issues what to do about the gas prices and even IIRC taxes.
Romney just runs attack ads and says nothing.
Again you just don't seem to get it...the Republicans running for President right now have NO CONTROL over the framing of this election...not as long as you have the media holding daily conference calls with the WH and repeating what the WH tells them to without so much as a cursory fact check.
Just look at the blonde bimbo on Morning Joe that reads texts from the WH straight from her BlackBerry on the air to counter Republican guests.
Obama is desperate; that is why he is firing up his base. However, blacks, queers and liberals are going to vote for him anyway . That comprises around 30 to 35% of the toal vote. So what. Obama will lose if the Repub candidate does what Clinton did with his "it's the economy stupid" campaign slogan. I don't have to be a media expert to figure that out.
Now to the Repub base. Most Americans are not paying attention to this dog and pony show called the Repub primaries. Only the political junkies like us are. The election is 6 months off. After the conventions the rah rah for the candidates will really begin. Unlike you, I am not worried about our base showing up. There are just too many Repubs that want the Magic Negro out and would vote for anybody to oust him.
Like I have said numerous times, I don't think Obama can win. He is running far behind in those red states he won the last time by small majorities. He will lose most of those this time around and that will spell his defeat. Those red states will determine the outcome.
I do think Romney knows what he is in for. There is a world of difference between him and McCain. Romney will go all out to win and will learn from the mistakes that a wuz like McCain made.
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I used to think that and then finally realized, that's the game, SFC. If Santorum and Newt can't handle Romney's negative ads, what makes anyone think they'll be able to withstand the Obama behemoth coupled with a knob-slobbering MSM carrying his spit bucket?
When Romney gets a tough question from the press, he should agree to answer it as soon as owebuma answers the same tough question.
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When Romney gets a tough question from the press, he should agree to answer it as soon as owebuma answers the same tough question.
That sounds good but I doubt that it will work. In many cases Repubs allow themselves to be placed in a box. For example, when the media and Democrats lie about how smart they are and how dumb Repubs are, the Repubs do not have the stomach to turn the tide and remind them of dummies like Grayson, Waters, Wasserman, etc.
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That sounds good but I doubt that it will work. In many cases Repubs allow themselves to be placed in a box. For example, when the media and Democrats lie about how smart they are and how dumb Repubs are, the Repubs do not have the stomach to turn the tide and remind them of dummies like Grayson, Waters, Wasserman, etc.
I have an online friend from another forum whose Senator is Patty Murray. He states without exception she is the dumbest ever to be elected to congress.