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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on March 09, 2012, 02:27:33 PM
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That is all.
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Duh.
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In other news, ice cold, fire hot: Women, minorities most affected, film at 11.
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In other news, ice cold, fire hot: Women, minorities most affected, film at 11.
Ice age coming, followed by global warming.
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I really feel he will not just lose to Obama, but he will drag down the house and senate too.
I really despise him.
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That is all.
Tell me something I don't know. If he's the nominee, Obama will beat him. I just don't see how this milquetoast POS can win.
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I just don't see how this milquetoast POS can win.
Well, we have to assume the GE voters are less--whatever--than the GOP primary voters.
That may be our saving grace.
And the fact Obama is so agenda driven he will enact policies that will hurt the economy and trample people's freedom.
Americans like free shit but they hate being told what to do.
Romney won't win. Obama will lose.
ETA: Milton Freidman said the key to politics isn't to find the right man but to reward the wrong man for doing the right thing. I constitution assumes the wrong man is elected in its every line.
We need to swallow hard and vte Romney but we need to double down on House and Senate races. It hedges against a Romney loss and will drag Romney further right in the event he does squeak out a win.
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SSB, I certainly agree on the Congressional races, but every talking head in the MSM has been dying to declare the primaries, and the GE Presidential race, over since Iowa and NH.
It's just as meaningless as it is tiresomely stupid. The GE will be mainly decided on events and perceptions within no more than 60 days of the GE. All the polling now is fueled by various agendas trying to shift perceptions, and the thirst of the press for content even when it's obvious there really isn't any. Obozo could have a ten-point lead over any possible GOP challenger now and it really wouldn't mean a damned thing.
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SSB has the operative phrase . . .
Romney won't win. Obama will lose.
Obama has nothing to run on, other than putting the USA four or five trillion dollars further into the hole. Also, SSB has a big point with this:
Americans like free shit but they hate being told what to do.
And that will kill him with the independents--the "squishy middle" of America. The only reason the unemployment rate is remaining steady is that there are about the same number of people being taken out of the workforce through "disability" or just giving up looking for work.
Those people vote, too.
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SSB, I certainly agree on the Congressional races, but every talking head in the MSM has been dying to declare the primaries, and the GE Presidential race, over since Iowa and NH. It's just as meaningless as it is tiresomely stupid. The GE will be mainly decided on events and perceptions within no more than 60 days of the GE. All the polling now is fueled by various agendas trying to shift perceptions, and the thirst of the press for content even when it's obvious there really isn't any. Obozo could have a ten-point lead over any possible GOP challenger now and it really wouldn't mean a damned thing.
Bless Rick Santorum, won Kansas today by a large margin. Amazing what he's doing with his limited financial resources. The people really don't want Romney. If either Santorum or Gingrich pull out of the race soon, Romney will be crushed by the conservatives in the primaries. It will be no contest, despite the bucks he throws out there.
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SLW, that's what pisses me off the most about him (Well, aside from the faux Conservativism), he is outspending his opposition by at least 4 to 1 in every contest to lose or eke out unconvincing wins, so he is essentially just burying Santorum and Gingrich with negative ads and buying his way to the nomination.
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Wow, it's almost as if we don't understand politics here.
Caucus is a FAR different animal than a state primary election. Santorum, has no freakin chance of winning the general election so if he was a good conservative he would bow the freak out and go for the win as a party because the end game for the future of our country is ANYONE BUT OBAMA. Except that is not how they play in this playground is it. The playground being politics of course.
I'll turn it back on you that Santorum is barely hanging on by the skin of his teeth. If he was so damn good and could win the GE, then he should have pulled far in front of this race a LONG time ago. Except he hasn't... because of money (not enough people believe in him to write him a check)... or is it because the "elite media" want Romney, uh yeah about that. True conservatives don't listen to the "elite media" so apparently there aren't enough of them to make a pittance of a difference in the primary (let alone the GE) to get him over the top. If that is in fact true (which I don't know which elite media is pining for him as all I read is negative Nancy crap), then this elite media is heavily influencing the moderate Republicans... you know, the RINOs. Hmmm, guess there are FAR more RINOs than you think isn't there? Which brings me back to something I have said for YEARS -- moderates (R and D) decide elections. The far extreme base of each party do not.
I want this to be over and for Romney to just start his focus on the POS who needs to leave the position of leader of the free world. The sooner the better for all of us.
/rant over.
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Santorum has no chance? Really? Rasmussen says he does.
And Santorum wins primaries as well, in case you haven't noticed. I saw what Romney did. I see his phony brand of conservatism and know he'll invoke Reagan exactly as many times as needed to fool just enough people to get the nomination, then spit on the ground every time he's mentioned that name.
IOW, he's a slicked-back used car salesman peddling the fact he's not Obama when in fact his record shows he's about half a shade to the right, if that. You think if Congress sent a bill repealing Obamacare to his desk on January 21st, 2013, he'd sign it or veto it? How about his spending policy? Tax policy? Getting the ****ing government off our backs policy?
Think about that, then get back to me.
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:bawl:
:whatever:
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Exactly two primary wins. TWO.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-primary-calendar
Of course the Romney primary wins are RINO states that don't count for anything in the GE......
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As far as electibility, I think Romney is the one. He is the closest thing to Obama, which will make it a tight race. It is going to get to where you will have to vote for him. Especially if you want Obama out of there. Will he do better than obama? We won't know till he gets there. I will just be glad to see a republican in there again.
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Sunday, March 11, 2012 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)
For the third consecutive day, Mitt Romney leads President Obama by five points in a hypothetical 2012 matchup. It is still, however, too early to tell if these results reflect a lasting change in the race or are merely statistical noise. Today's numbers show Romney at 48%, Obama at 42%. That matches the largest lead Romney has ever enjoyed over the president. Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern
If Rick Santorum is the Republican nominee, he is up by one point over the president, 45% to 44%. He receives 77% support from Republican voters and is up three among unaffiliateds. Santorum and Romney are the only Republican candidates to lead the president more than one time in the polls.
Santorum and Romney both lead Obama among men but trail among women. Both Republicans trail the president among those under 40 but lead among those 40 and older.
Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's job performance. Fifty-four percent (54%) at least somewhat disapprove.
Looking at Tuesday's upcoming primaries, the GOP race in Alabama is essentially a three-way tie, while Romney leads by eight in Mississippi. Nationally, Romney now leads Santorum by 12 points. Regardless of who they want to win, 80% of Republican Primary Voters nationwide believe Romney will be the party's nominee.
I think it's the wimmins that will pick the next President.
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So while at an all you can eat Chinese American buffet with everything from Alasken Crab legs to FROG LEGS I was standing looking at the deep fat fried legs wondering how brave I was to try them. I am muttering under my breath darn so many choices, when get this, a strange woman behind me began to laugh.
Here we go folks, --------"The problem with all this is all the choices, makes you really hungry, then after a small amount you are no longer hungry. " So far so I good I had to agree with her, then she floored me by remarking as she walked away, " This reminds me of politics." Both of us were laughing and headed off to our tables.
Now it was just a few days ago I wrote I had never talked to strangers or had strangers speak to me about politics or religion and darn here was a never say never to what can happen.
When I got back to my table with a spoon full of this or that on my plate, I began to think about her comment and found she had a point. The plates are only half the size of regular dinner plates and by sampling a spoon of this and that everything began to taste the same. We did fill up fast as she had said and I will be darn as I felt full after eating just one small plate.
Nothing really stands out about the different selections to me now like Politics, some was bland, some spicy. BUT nothing made me go back for more, it all tasted the same. Most of the dishes were the same ingredients set with different meats and sauces. AND, I was just too full to want any more.
This stranger was right, a nice lady and spot on. Place all our GOP on a small plate and they run together, different labels but all have the same ingredients with a small addition of different spices.
Now Obama was the frogs legs, nasty looking and nothing I would want to eat, But I bet if I had put one on my plate the taste would have stood out as,---That's one thing I do not want to eat again.
---- Nightmare of dining with Barny Frank and his "WIFE" and being served French Snails and raw Oysters.---
Who has the most money to win the Presidency in America seems to put the old Anyone can be President of America
we were taught in school to shame. We were never taught that only the wealthiest in the land could become President. One today does not get elected as the best leader, one becomes elected when they can afford to BUY the Presidency, or do a dirty trick as they did Cain, darn he was one of my favorites.
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While it is true that the newly elected President probably raised the most money during the campaign, the two are not that closely related. It's not personal money that "buys" elections. Money in politics can be thought of as an exercise of free speech. The candidate whose candidacy wins the most followers, will have those followers expressing their free speech, in support either monetarily or not.
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Exactly two primary wins. TWO.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-primary-calendar
Of course the Romney primary wins are RINO states that don't count for anything in the GE......
You mean like Slick Willard's "huge" primary win in MA last week?
Lemme know how that state's gonna go in the general while you're at it too.
Middle of the road, yellow stripes, roadkill, shit like that.
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You mean like Slick Willard's "huge" primary win in MA last week?
Lemme know how that state's gonna go in the general while you're at it too.
Middle of the road, yellow stripes, roadkill, shit like that.
No I meant Ohio, Florida, Virginia... you know, the swing states dear?
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No I meant Ohio, Florida, Virginia... you know, the swing states dear?
I've read in a couple places Ohio by and large is out of play as a swing state this year. Strongly Red.
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No I meant Ohio, Florida, Virginia... you know, the swing states dear?
Admit it--he's about as "Republican" as Deval Patrick. Those "red" states are going to hold their noses just like they did with McCain, and the swing states aren't going to see a shit shade's worth of difference between Obama and Romney.
Please explain to me where I'm wrong. And nice to see you were also unable/unwilling to answer my previous question regarding Romneycare/Obamacare, but nice try dodging anyway.
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I've read in a couple places Ohio by and large is out of play as a swing state this year. Strongly Red.
Obama is also losing badly in other red states he won the last time . If he can not win most of them in Nov, he is a one term president. I think that is what is going to happen. I don't like Romney but I think he could win easily.
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That's pretty much how it's going to play out, LA. It won't be so much a Romney win, as an Obama loss.
Carter in 1976 was living proof that ANYONE could have run following Nixon (and face it--Ford was little more than a placeholder), and Reagan in 1980 was living proof that ANYONE could have beaten Carter.
Obama in 2008 was living proof that ANYONE could have beaten pretty much any GOP nominee by running on the "I'm not Bush--he IS" platform, Romney will win in 2012 on the "I'm not Obama" mantra, but in reality, there's not a whole lot different between the two insofar as domestic policy goes.
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Maybe anyone could have beaten Carter, but Reagan was not proof of it. He is the best President the country could have ever hoped for.
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Admit it--he's about as "Republican" as Deval Patrick. Those "red" states are going to hold their noses just like they did with McCain, and the swing states aren't going to see a shit shade's worth of difference between Obama and Romney.
Please explain to me where I'm wrong. And nice to see you were also unable/unwilling to answer my previous question regarding Romneycare/Obamacare, but nice try dodging anyway.
Please show me any indication how STATE legislation is equivalent to FEDERAL legislation. Romney would of course repeal it. :whatever:
Yeah, Romney and Deval are about the same. Riiiight. I just live here, but wtf do I know?
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Please show me any indication how STATE legislation is equivalent to FEDERAL legislation. Romney would of course repeal it. :whatever:
Yeah, Romney and Deval are about the same. Riiiight. I just live here, but wtf do I know?
Well, from where I sit...he's the one who started the ball rolling. MA has the highest waits and premiums in the nation, thanks to Romney (and don't blame the Legislature--HE signed that bill.)
And as has been opined here many times before, Romney 1--still doesn't have a majority of the GOP primary voters in his camp, 2--will be a "conservative" exactly long enough to secure the nomination/Presidency, at which point he goes back to being the pro-abortion, big-government RINO statist he was before.
Again, tell me where that's so different than Patrick.
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That's pretty much how it's going to play out, LA. It won't be so much a Romney win, as an Obama loss.
Carter in 1976 was living proof that ANYONE could have run following Nixon (and face it--Ford was little more than a placeholder), and Reagan in 1980 was living proof that ANYONE could have beaten Carter.
Obama in 2008 was living proof that ANYONE could have beaten pretty much any GOP nominee by running on the "I'm not Bush--he IS" platform, Romney will win in 2012 on the "I'm not Obama" mantra, but in reality, there's not a whole lot different between the two insofar as domestic policy goes.
Actually back in the carter times Reagan wasn't given much hope in the beginning. til the actual election results started rolling in.
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:banghead:Face it people, we are doomed!!!!
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Actually back in the carter times Reagan wasn't given much hope in the beginning. til the actual election results started rolling in.
Are you speaking in the general election or the primaries? Granted, I was but a young pup back in those days, but two lines he said stick in my mind that ensured his future as president:
Primary: "I'm paying for this microphone, Mister Green." (Actually, the editor of the Nashua Telegraph's name was Breen, but nobody noticed.) A number of people took note of that, and from there, Reagan won New Hampshire and went on to win the nomination.
General: "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" Polls had Carter and Reagan neck-and-neck up to that point, where Reagan said this line during the closing statement of their one and only debate. Again, that line served to push him over the top--or the fact that "alternative media" back in 1980 simply didn't exist and the "15-point lead" that Even Thomas spoke of regarding Kerry back in 2004 really did exist in the late 70's/early 80's. Remember also that Reagan beat Carter by almost 10 points with John Anderson, whose supporters would almost surely have overwhelming voted for Reagan, got another 7 percent. Even if Carter and Reagan had evenly split the Anderson vote, you're still looking at an 11-12 point victory for Reagan.
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Please show me any indication how STATE legislation is equivalent to FEDERAL legislation. Romney would of course repeal it. :whatever:
Yeah, Romney and Deval are about the same. Riiiight. I just live here, but wtf do I know?
Let's see, when Obama has stated MORE THAN ONCE that Romneycare was in fact the TEMPLATE for Obamacare, well, take from that what you will.
And when I see Romney's record as governor, his statements, actions, etc., tell me that "I just live here" justifies willful ignorance of what he did as governor and what he's more than likely to do as president.
Of course, I'm just an American, what do I know?
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Let's see, when Obama has stated MORE THAN ONCE that Romneycare was in fact the TEMPLATE for Obamacare, well, take from that what you will.
And when I see Romney's record as governor, his statements, actions, etc., tell me that "I just live here" justifies willful ignorance of what he did as governor and what he's more than likely to do as president.
Of course, I'm just an American, what do I know?
Nice try but no. You hate him cause all the cool conservatives do, nothing more.
State rights - perhaps you heard of it? With regard to Romneycare you would have if you are actually listening to Romney. But no chance of that happening right?
When you compare Romney to Patrick you already lost the argument. Facts. Get some.
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The heart of the matter is, to me anyways, that if Mitt Romney is the nominee, I will vote for him.
Romney also had a severely liberal Democratic legislature to contend with. I somehow doubt that the US Senate and US House of Representatives will be anything near as liberal as the Massachusetts legislature. This will influence what bills make it to his desk.
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Nice try but no. You hate him cause all the cool conservatives do, nothing more.
State rights - perhaps you heard of it? With regard to Romneycare you would have if you are actually listening to Romney. But no chance of that happening right?
When you compare Romney to Patrick you already lost the argument. Facts. Get some.
Uh, try again. I dislike (not hate) because he's a smarmy used car salesman type who tells people what they want to hear, then does what he wants. He's either been in or running for political office for 20-plus years, yet we're supposed to believe him when he says he's not a career politician? If he ain't, what IS?
States rights? When he believes what happned in MA, his plan was foisted on a national stage. No way in hell he'd scrap Obamacare en toto. Not a ****ing chance.
How many times did Romney raise taxes in his tenure as governor? How much did he piss on individual rights? How many times has he changed his mind on any given subject over the past 20 years, based solely on what audience he was speaking to at the time?
No, dearest--the reason I don't like Romney is the same reason I don't like most politicians--NO ****ING SPINE, NO CORE BELIEFS, NO PRINCIPLES.
He bends whichever way the wind blows. That is exactly the kind of person we DON'T need, DON'T want, CAN'T afford at this critical juncture in our history.
If he's gonna get my vote, he better grow a set, and fast. Big, hairy, brass ones. So far, he ain't got 'em.
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Uh, try again. I dislike (not hate) because he's a smarmy used car salesman type who tells people what they want to hear, then does what he wants. He's either been in or running for political office for 20-plus years, yet we're supposed to believe him when he says he's not a career politician? If he ain't, what IS?
States rights? When he believes what happned in MA, his plan was foisted on a national stage. No way in hell he'd scrap Obamacare en toto. Not a ****ing chance.
How many times did Romney raise taxes in his tenure as governor? How much did he piss on individual rights? How many times has he changed his mind on any given subject over the past 20 years, based solely on what audience he was speaking to at the time?
No, dearest--the reason I don't like Romney is the same reason I don't like most politicians--NO ****ING SPINE, NO CORE BELIEFS, NO PRINCIPLES.
He bends whichever way the wind blows. That is exactly the kind of person we DON'T need, DON'T want, CAN'T afford at this critical juncture in our history.
If he's gonna get my vote, he better grow a set, and fast. Big, hairy, brass ones. So far, he ain't got 'em.
Romney made a promise that he will repeal Obamacare. Of course we will have to see if he does or not if he gets in.
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Romney made a promise that he will repeal Obamacare. Of course we will have to see if he does or not if he gets in.
That will be one of the things that will be waiting on his desk when he takes office. The Republican Congress will force it upon him. He won't have a choice.
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That will be one of the things that will be waiting on his desk when he takes office. The Republican Congress will force it upon him. He won't have a choice.
Yep, that too.
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Quote from NHSparky,
"Let's see, when Obama has stated MORE THAN ONCE that Romneycare was in fact the TEMPLATE for Obamacare, well, take from that what you will."
I don't believe anything owebuma says, much less says more than once. I wait till he acts, and far more often than not, he doesn't do what he says.
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Quote from NHSparky,
"Let's see, when Obama has stated MORE THAN ONCE that Romneycare was in fact the TEMPLATE for Obamacare, well, take from that what you will."
I don't believe anything owebuma says, much less says more than once. I wait till he acts, and far more often than not, he doesn't do what he says.
Romney also said that Obama did it all wrong, and if it was based off of Romneycare, Obama should have called him. The thing that I don't understand is if Obamacare is so great, why are unions and the government getting a waiver from it?
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Compared to the alternative? I'll take him.
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Uh, try again. I dislike (not hate) because he's a smarmy used car salesman type who tells people what they want to hear, then does what he wants. He's either been in or running for political office for 20-plus years, yet we're supposed to believe him when he says he's not a career politician? If he ain't, what IS?
States rights? When he believes what happned in MA, his plan was foisted on a national stage. No way in hell he'd scrap Obamacare en toto. Not a ****ing chance.
How many times did Romney raise taxes in his tenure as governor? How much did he piss on individual rights? How many times has he changed his mind on any given subject over the past 20 years, based solely on what audience he was speaking to at the time?
No, dearest--the reason I don't like Romney is the same reason I don't like most politicians--NO ****ING SPINE, NO CORE BELIEFS, NO PRINCIPLES.
He bends whichever way the wind blows. That is exactly the kind of person we DON'T need, DON'T want, CAN'T afford at this critical juncture in our history.
If he's gonna get my vote, he better grow a set, and fast. Big, hairy, brass ones. So far, he ain't got 'em.
Ok, for the record as you seem to have developed political amnesia -- ALL POLITICIANS TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. If you believe for one second - even the tiniest of seconds, otherwise then I can't help you. Santorum's bio by the way, which you seem to not be aware of given the career politicion comments: http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Santorum/Biography.php
He never raised taxes as governor, he raised fees and he has explained that the fee hike was necessary to cover the cost of the service. He took on Bulger and the Democratic leadership in the statehouse to rid the state of his massive salary and that of his out of control ridiculous office. He then went after one of his own in Amorella and rid the state of his bloated bullshit salary.
I have written ad nauseum on Romneycare - what we have today is nothing what Romney envisioned or proposed. Deval Patrick and the liberal statehouse made it what it is today. Romney has said from day one it's a state decision, and should never be a federal mandate.
But what am I saying, :banghead: would be a far more productive use of my time.
Santorum had his moment and he lost. Let it go now. We HAVE to win this thing.
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A fee levied at any government level is nothing more than a tax by another name. IMO.
Obamacare originally called the non-compliance penalty a "fee" IIRC, now since the courts have been reviewing the issue, they (current admin.) are claiming that it is actually a tax.
Same thing merely called another name IMO.
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All this self flagellation is friggen depressing.
I will vote for who ever the nominee is.
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All this self flagellation is friggen depressing.
I will vote for who ever the nominee is.
As will I. The next President will nominate 2-3 SCOTUS justices. That has far longer reaching impact than a 4-8 year term in the WH.
I also think that the longer the primaries stretch out the better. It will limit the amount of time that the Obama regime has to attack the GOP nominee.
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I will vote for king kong before I vote for Obama.
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Sadly, I just discovered that Mitt's birthday is two days after mine and due to identity politics, we are both Piscean after all, I may be forced to vote for him. Tribesmen must stick together, after all.
I will have to see who the Union of Piscean's local 310 endorses.
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Sadly, I just discovered that Mitt's birthday is two days after mine and due to identity politics, we are both Piscean after all, I may be forced to vote for him. Tribesmen must stick together, after all.
I will have to see who the Union of Piscean's local 310 endorses.
I got it worse, I share my birthday with Obama. :o
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I got it worse, I share my birthday with Obama. :o
Yeah, but since he's (ostensibly) male and you're female, I think the rules state that you must vote against the Obamessiah.
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I got it worse, I share my birthday with Obama. :o
Lucky you, I share it with Harry Reid.
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I got it worse, I share my birthday with Obama. :o
So much for identity politics.
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A fee levied at any government level is nothing more than a tax by another name. IMO.
Obamacare originally called the non-compliance penalty a "fee" IIRC, now since the courts have been reviewing the issue, they (current admin.) are claiming that it is actually a tax.
Same thing merely called another name IMO.
Calling it a fee instead of a tax is splitting straws. If I am not mistaken, fees are either paid directly or indirectly by taxpayers. Mitt is shitting in his britches if he thinks anyone is going to fall for that idiocy.
I will vote for him if he is the nominee. I think he can turn the economy around. Do I think he will FIGHT to repeal Obamacare, environmental laws, reduce the size of government, eliminate agencies, promote an aggressive energy policy? Not no but hell no. Mitt is NOT a conservative and anyone that thinks he is has rocks in their head.
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All this self flagellation is friggen depressing.
I will vote for who ever the nominee is.
No, what's friggen depressing is the fact that the party and the media are picking our candidates for us, and some establishment RINO is outspending his opponents 5-1 or more in states just to get 35-40 percent of the vote because most people have to hold their nose just to pull the lever for him. Then you have Santorum and Gingrich fighting when one of them dropping out would leave Romney behind, and worst of all, everyone knows it.
If I wanted a mushy middle establishment RINO, why not run McCain again? Or Bob Dole?
Sorry, FL--call Mitt whatever you want, but you CANNOT call him a conservative. No way, no how. Does that mean I won't vote for him? Oh, I will, but rest assured I don't trust that smarmy ****er as far as I could throw him. He's pro-abortion, anti-gun, tax and big government statist, with the record to prove it.
And for the record, you idiots who think that you're gonna stay home or vote third party as "protest", look no further than what's happening in the primary to see where your temper tantrum will get you--four more years of Obama.
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What did me in for all on either side in the promises and lies of the race to become President was Bush SR. with his "Read my lips, no new taxes". I did not have a PC at the time and had to rely on nightly news and local news papers.
I was not a young kid at the time and this was the first Presidential race I really paid attention to. I still had kids in highschool and had time to finally relax and check out what was going on in the world.
Under Clinton my 401K gained huge amounts, lost huge amounts, it was a time of upheaval and shock that in my life time a generation of 6 year old were asking what a BJ was. The fact that Clinton's first act as president was to sign the Don't ask, Don't tell ,was my first OH-OH moment. What did the President have to do with the sex lives of our military ???
Some where in there I bought my first PC and could follow both sides of Politics, read both the Liberal and Conservative news papers from around the world. Now I could follow and see on video the actual words spoken at a time and watch them morph into something else as the winds of Politics changed.
Instead of a Chicken in every pot, Obama promissed every one a Pony, what few realised was a Chicken in a pot fed the family, a pony had to be fed by the family, and what good does a Pony do for anyone living on the 4'th floor of a housing project???
Today I feel like jilted woman who defended a low down cheating MAN. A lesbian in the making. All men lie, to get something from woman, sex, their money or their loyalty.
So this field of candidates give me the willies, we want anyone but Obama to become President, but from the looks of it, old boss, worse new boss.
As SEA put it, we may be Doomed, I see no one that can at this time lead us out of the coming chaos., I do not trust any of the GOP to save us from Obama, and Obama will if reelected have free reign to bring America to the life style he grew up with in Kenya.
Don't buy anything but food, guns and Ammo ,and pay bills from now on, things don't look good at this point in time. Paranoid, you betcha, show me one, just one leader that is for the People and Country at THEIR expense and I will see honest men who risked it all to benefit our country , not them or their friends.
The old saying from the American Indians, " White men talk with forked tongues" -------So do the snakes.
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I got it worse, I share my birthday with Obama. :o
have you seen the birth certificate to prove it?
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I got it worse, I share my birthday with Obama. :o
Were you also born in Kenya?
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So much for identity politics.
I share mine with Lemmy! :rocker2:
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I share mine with Lemmy! :rocker2:
Ace of Spades!
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I got it worse, I share my birthday with Obama. :o
Ho Chi Minh and Malcolm X
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have you seen the birth certificate to prove it?
One can only hope.
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I think I need to be a little honest here about our Candidates.
First of all, there was 1 Reagan, and I think most of us were lucky to see him and vote for him in our lifetime, I do it too, but we have to stop comparing every candidate to Reagan, that's a heck of a lot of pressure for a person running for office to look up to.
Secondly, like it or not, looks and personality matter, Matt has the looks and I think it's hard for him to connect with people, but that's his personality, then you have Gingrich, sorry, but this is the guy who just a few short years ago was vilified by Republicans/Conservatives, not only for his private life, but for that damn commercial he did with Pelosi, now some view him as the savior of the party...............sorry, I don't think so! to me? he's 1 of the most intelligent people ever, and I'd pay money to see him debate Obama, but he comes across as strange looking, like there's something not right about him, now if I, a Republican feel like that? what the heck would the independents think? but if it came down to it? I'd vote for him if he's the nominee.
Thirdly, Santorum, he's OK, but I have to admit, his extremism and attracting the Evangelicals freak me out a little bit. I consider myself Religious, but the majority of the time I try not to impose my views on others, the Evangelical wing of the party have the attitude that it's their way or the highway, these are the same people who think my Religion is a Cult. Again though, if Santorum won the nomination I'd vote for him.
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What did me in for all on either side in the promises and lies of the race to become President was Bush SR. with his "Read my lips, no new taxes". I did not have a PC at the time and had to rely on nightly news and local news papers.
Bush Sr. Gets a bad rap for that statement. His mistake was trusting the Dem leadership and taking them at their word. He only agreed to raising taxes because the Dem leadership gave him their word that in exchange for agreeing to tax increases the Dem leadership would agree to a dollar for dollar spending cut. the Dem controlled congress raised taxes and didn't even attempt the spending cuts in fact they fought them. The Dems are not to be trusted , their word ain't worth spit.
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Ho Chi Minh and Malcolm X
Malcolm the tenth. Think of him as a 12th Imam, or A Dalai Lama 2 short of a dozen.
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Malcolm the tenth. Think of him as a 12th Imam, or A Dalai Lama 2 short of a dozen.
Just go with "Two beers short of a twelve-pack."
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Are you speaking in the general election or the primaries? Granted, I was but a young pup back in those days, but two lines he said stick in my mind that ensured his future as president:
Primary: "I'm paying for this microphone, Mister Green." (Actually, the editor of the Nashua Telegraph's name was Breen, but nobody noticed.) A number of people took note of that, and from there, Reagan won New Hampshire and went on to win the nomination.
General: "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" Polls had Carter and Reagan neck-and-neck up to that point, where Reagan said this line during the closing statement of their one and only debate. Again, that line served to push him over the top--or the fact that "alternative media" back in 1980 simply didn't exist and the "15-point lead" that Even Thomas spoke of regarding Kerry back in 2004 really did exist in the late 70's/early 80's. Remember also that Reagan beat Carter by almost 10 points with John Anderson, whose supporters would almost surely have overwhelming voted for Reagan, got another 7 percent. Even if Carter and Reagan had evenly split the Anderson vote, you're still looking at an 11-12 point victory for Reagan.
Reagan Initially wasn't given much of a chance. He was a movie actor,former Democrat and a social conservative, a somewhat fiscal social conservative but a SC all the same. Through the primaries and leading into the general election his large following was thought to be an anomaly and wouldn't translate to need votes in the general. history shows them to be wrong.
The folks all upset about social conservatism ballyhooing such candidates as faux conservatives , neoconservatives etc, that can't win elections are ignoring history and the populous at large
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The folks all upset about social conservatism ballyhooing such candidates as faux conservatives , neoconservatives etc, that can't win elections are ignoring history and the populous at large
No one is upset about social conservatism issues. That is a figment of your imagination. We all want the same thing and go at it from different angles. I and others think the economy issue is not only more important but is the winning strategy in defeating Obama.
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I share MY birthday with Brian "Kato" Kaelin. :thatsright:
So there! :p
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I share MY birthday with Brian "Kato" Kaelin. :thatsright:
So there! :p
Wow, now that is a claim to fame. He was THE original reality tv star. Whatever happened to him ?