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after NC polls that have been all over the place, drudge is saying the clinton camp is expecting
to get blown out.
polls close at 7 in IN and 7:30 in NC. Both times are eastern.
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fivethirtyeight.com predicts obama by 17 points (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/05/north-carolina-prediction-obama-by.html) and 150,000 votes. this is the poll that is causing all the hullabaloo on the internet this morning. they seem to be using the SC turn out model to predict african american turnout. but they may be misled by the fact that 40% of the early voters are african americans; that could be all voter enthusiasm. at any rate, they are predicting 33% of the vote in NC will be african american.
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My wife and I are heading out to vote and then to go eat and run some errands in the next few minutes. I live in a borderline surburban/rural area, so I don't know how long the line will be, but when I get back home I'll try to log on and fill you in.
Most of the Dems I know in the Western part of NC are going for Billary. I suspect the same with the coastal counties, with the piedmont cities of Charlotte/Raleigh area/Greensboro going for Osama (higher black and college student population).
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I'll do the play-by-play, as I did during the Pennsylvania primary, tonight beginning at seven, wherever Wretched Excess has the specific thread.
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But there's a penalty in all this, for Wretched Excess.
In exchange for my doing the play-by-play tonight, next week (May 13, the day after Fitzmas), Wretched Excess will have to sponsor a Nebraska primary thread, too, even though there's nothing going on in the Nebraska primary.
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I'll do the play-by-play, as I did during the Pennsylvania primary, tonight beginning at seven, wherever Wretched Excess has the specific thread.
please do, and right here. I will rename this thread to "live primary thread", or something else appropriate. that way all the info in will be in one place at the end of the night. :)
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But there's a penalty in all this, for Wretched Excess.
In exchange for my doing the play-by-play tonight, next week (May 13, the day after Fitzmas), Wretched Excess will have to sponsor a Nebraska primary thread, too, even though there's nothing going on in the Nebraska primary.
no problem. :wink:
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My wife and I are heading out to vote and then to go eat and run some errands in the next few minutes. I live in a borderline surburban/rural area, so I don't know how long the line will be, but when I get back home I'll try to log on and fill you in.
Most of the Dems I know in the Western part of NC are going for Billary. I suspect the same with the coastal counties, with the piedmont cities of Charlotte/Raleigh area/Greensboro going for Osama (higher black and college student population).
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cool. can't wait. :popcorn:
I'm not buying a 17 point blowout, by the way. they are putting too much stock into what happened in the SC primary, but that was during the high water mark of the euphoria for Baroque Obama; the climate just isn't the same now as it was then.
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Survey USA (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d4d1bc7e-32d4-438e-8143-75c8b25b3435)has been more reliable lately; they are at 49-44 in NC.
and the late deciders have been breaking for hillary in the past several primaries.
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Survey USA (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=777e9395-9b22-44ec-a525-981fcb9029e9) is at 54-42 hillary in IN.
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There was little if any expectation that the primaries would settle the big, messy picture. Both Clinton and Obama predicted they'd still be campaigning in June.
Dual victories by Obama would all but knock Clinton out of the race. Polls, however, have found a small edge for the New York senator in Indiana. Obama remains the favorite in North Carolina, though his lead has shrunk.
North Carolina and Indiana cannot mathematically settle the nomination. A candidate needs 2,025 delegates to win, and Obama had 1,745.5 to Clinton's 1,608 Monday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080506/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp
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interesting. it is exam week in IN and NC. Will Exams
Cost Obama Student Votes? (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121003052062869083.html)
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Baroque Obama won Maryland by 23-points; Virginia by 29, South Carolina by 28 and Georgia by 36
I am repeatedly seeing the past primaries in other atlantic coast states used as evidence that Baroque is going to cruise. He may well cruise, but I just can't believe that he will carry NC by this kind of margin.
the NC democrat party is poorer than virginia, whiter than SC, less urban than GA, and much more sane than MD.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080506/pl_politico/10111;_ylt=AjLzmdTnIMzJfoIhL.w3WDNsnwcF
Five things to look for in Indiana
Carrie Budoff Brown Tue May 6, 5:22 AM ET
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. - Before Barack Obama experienced a rough couple of weeks, his campaign was optimistic about his chances in this state.
But with a black population of less than ten percent and swaths of blue collar towns and rural counties, Indiana is looking far more favorable to Hillary Clinton, who has blanketed the state with visits from her, former President Bill Clinton and their daughter Chelsea.
Can she achieve a replay of Ohio and Pennsylvania, when the rural counties turned in huge margins for her? Or will Obama, with significant endorsements in southern Indiana, be able to cut into her support? And will Obama succeed in driving up his totals in Indianapolis and the northwestern corner of the state?
Here is what Indiana political strategists and experts will be looking for Tuesday:
Check the polls. "The mantra is that 10-2-4 routine," said Brian Howey, editor of Howey Politics Indiana, referring to 10 a.m., 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. checks to gauge turnout.
Follow the turnout. Analysts are expecting far bigger turnout this year than in 2004, when about 22 percent of voters cast ballots in the presidential primary, said Russell Hanson, a political science professor at Indiana University-Bloomington.
A much bigger turnout is good news for Obama because it means "those who haven't been politically engaged in the past are coming out," Hanson said. "If that is not happening, then that is working in Clinton's favor because the traditional [party] machinery is working."
The new vote and the early vote. Analysts will be watching the preferences of the more than 200,000 new voters who were added to the registration rolls.
"How many are Obamacans versus Rush Limbaugh mischief makers?" Howey asked.
More than 160,000 voters cast their ballots early, with large numbers coming in from Obama strongholds in Lake (Gary), Marion (Indianapolis) and Monroe (Indiana University-Bloomington) counties.
The Obama campaign tried taking full advantage of this option at Purdue and Indiana University, where classes concluded last week, by shuttling students to the county election site. "The traffic was so heavy that the county clerk agreed they would bring the polling place to the center of campus for two days," Hanson said.
Hoosier math. Obama needs to pile up large margins in Indianapolis in the middle of the state and in Gary's Lake County in the northwest corner, which is part of the Chicago media market.
Both areas boast significant African American populations. Gary, a city of 100,000 residents, is 84 percent black. Indianapolis, population 780,000, is 25 percent black.
A good night for Obama would mean 10- to 20-point margins in both areas, analysts said.
Obama will also need 20-point margins in college towns such as Bloomington and West Lafayette, analysts said.
Clinton must rely on the Ohio River towns in southern Indiana along the Kentucky border. Obama drew 8,000 people to rally in Evansville, and picked up key endorsements in this area, such as Congressman Baron Hill and former Rep. Lee Hamilton, a revered figure. But Clinton is nevertheless favored to win the region by double digits. She spent the final hours of the campaign Monday in New Albany, a city of 37,000 with 7 percent black population, and Evansville, a city of 117,000 that is 11 percent black.
Clinton also hopes to pad her lead in east central Indiana. Economically-distressed cities with union influence, such as Anderson, Muncie and Richmond, present favorable terrain for Clinton, but they also have African American populations of between eight and 15 percent, Howey said.
Places to watch. Kokomo's Howard County is the bellwether to watch, Howey said. It is urban and rural, with a mix of African Americans and blue collar workers, some employed in the Chrysler plants. According to Howey, it tends to back the winner in gubernatorial, congressional and state legislative races.
The South Bend area drew significant focus from both campaigns. It is home to the University of Notre Dame, which bodes well for Obama, but there are also many Catholics and a "strong tradition of blue collar Reagan Democratic voters" that would favor Clinton, said Hanson.
The wealthy Republican suburbs north of Indianapolis also received attention from the campaigns, suggesting that both candidates are looking for crossover votes, Howey said. A poll conducted for the Howey Politics Indiana found that up to 20 percent of Tuesday's turnout could be non-Democrats.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080506/pl_politico/10112;_ylt=ArzS.IZqeXA78FyA_GuU8f1snwcF
... and in North Carolina
Carrie Budoff Brown Tue May 6, 5:28 AM ET
If Barack Obama's late decision to hold his election night rally in Raleigh is any indication (his campaign didn't settle on a location until Monday afternoon), the Illinois senator is feeling confident about his chances in North Carolina.
It's a good thing, for an upset win by Hillary Clinton in North Carolina could shake up the presidential campaign if paired with a Clinton victory in Indiana.
For insight into how North Carolina will be won, here's a guide to where and what to watch Tuesday:
Check the polls. Officially, the polls open at 6:30 a.m. and close at 7:30 p.m. But insiders here check the polls at 10:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m., after the early morning and lunch hour rushes, to gauge turnout.
Keep an eye on Raleigh-Durham area turnout. Before more than 350,000 ballots were cast during the early voting period, analysts were forecasting a turnout of about 800,000 voters in the presidential primary.
That number should now top one million, said Morgan Jackson, a North Carolina political consultant.
"The key will be the Raleigh-Durham market," Jackson said. It usually makes up between a quarter and a third of the overall turnout vote. "If that is creeping up to 40 percent that spells good news for Obama," he said.
Big cities vs. small towns. North Carolina voters are concentrated around the I-40/I-85 corridor through the central region of the state, where Obama will look to drive his margins above 55 percent in the metropolitan areas of Charlotte, Winston-Salem (part of the Triad) and Raleigh-Durham (part of the Research Triangle).
North Carolina has 100 counties, and "usually the top 14 counties in the metropolitan areas cast more votes" than the rest combined, said Ferrel Guillory, a former political reporter who lectures at the University of North Carolina. "So Hillary is counting on those other counties to maximize her vote. She needs an extra margin out of those counties."
Former President Bill Clinton has been busy working the less populated areas to the west of Charlotte and to the east of Raleigh. He made 14 stops on Sunday and Monday alone in towns that have never seen a former president.
All in all, the former president has made more than 40 campaign stops in small town North Carolina, where analysts say Hillary needs to pull in more than 60 percent of the vote.
Can she do it? Bill Clinton bragged to at least one North Carolina crowd that he boosted his wife in Pennsylvania, visiting 20 rural counties where she won at least 60 percent of the vote.
Hillary Clinton will also need to be competitive in the suburbs and exurbs of the major metropolitan areas because a pure rural strategy will not be enough, analysts said.
Follow the African-American vote. The higher the black turnout, the higher the Obama margin of victory.
African Americans have made up 40 percent of the early voting turnout and are expected to comprise anywhere from 30 to 40 percent of the vote today.
Most polls show Clinton picking up about 10 percent of the African American vote. If she can claw her way into the range of about 20 percent--which would be on the high side for her in a Southern state--she would get some breathing room.
Places to watch. Check out a medium-sized city such as Fayetteville where there is a mix of African Americans and rural white conservative Democrats. Clinton has made overtures to the military voters around Fort Bragg, but Obama could draw strength from historically black Fayetteville State University, said Doug Heye, a Republican political strategist and North Carolina native.
Durham, which is 44 percent African American, could provide a gauge on turnout among one of Obama's most loyal constituencies. Charlotte, Greensboro and Winston-Salem, all at least one-third black, are also worth watching. Obama needs strong turnout in towns with black colleges and universities, such as Elizabeth City in the northeastern corner of the state, Heye said.
The counties around Raleigh and Durham could provide clues as to whether Obama can rebound with suburban white voters after turning in a lackluster performance in Philadelphia's upper-income suburbs.
Asheville could be an island of Obama strength in rural western Carolina.
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My wife and I voted around 9:50am, there was no line at all, just walked right in and did the deed. I asked a worker when I left if it had been busy and he said there had been around 140 people so far, mainly between 7 and 8 this morning. The area I live in will have some retirees who'll trickle in all during the day, but the majority will wait until their lunch hour or go by after work.
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Final NC Poll
InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion Survey North Carolina:
Compiled from InsiderAdvantage and Southern Political Report staff
May 6, 2008 — The final InsiderAdvantage / Majority Opinion Research poll of the North Carolina Democratic Primary suggests a tight battle between Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton. The survey of 774 registered likely voters in the Tuesday’s contest was conducted the evening of May 5. It is weighted for age, race, and gender. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3%.
The results:
Obama: 47%
Clinton: 43%
Undecided: 10%
link (http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_56_382.aspx)
if the undecideds are at 10%, and they have been breaking for hillary in the last several primaries . . . then we are going to have a very Baroken Obama at the end of the night.
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Obama Inching Closer in Indiana
Compiled from InsiderAdvantage and Southern Political Report staff
May 5, 2008 — Hillary Clinton is like one of those blow-up punching bags that keep popping back up when you slug them. For her to pop up and then pop back with a punch of her own, she must at least win Tuesday’s Indiana primary. Our latest poll shows that she has a good chance of doing that. Here’s the latest results in Indiana:
Hillary Clinton 48%
Barack Obama 44%
Undecided 8%
link (http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_55_381.aspx)
this would be a disappointment to team clinton.
Zogby has Baroque Obama winning huge in NC, and comfortably in IN. but zogby hasn't been right in about a decade.
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HuffPo is saying Obama +12 in NC, Clinton +7 in IN. but they are wrong most of the time.
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Talked to the Clerk of Court in my county about an hour ago and she told me that Dems are showing up pretty heavy in the State today, which if is the case would mean Hussein will likely win. No info on the margins at this point.
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6:06 p.m. central time.
Indiana results trickling in.
With 4% counted:
Clinton 59%
Obama 41%
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5% in now from Indiana.
Clinton 59%
Obama 41%
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6% in now from Indiana.
Clinton 59%
Obama 41%
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7% now in from Indiana
57% Clinton
43% Obama
No returns yet from North Carolina.
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10% in now from Indiana.
Clinton 58%
Obama 42%
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11% in now from Indiana.
Clinton 58%
Obama 42%
Nothing in from North Carolina yet.
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12% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 58%
Obama 42%
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the MSM is going to call NC for Baroque Obama as soon as the polls close, it appears.
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16% in now from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
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the MSM is going to call NC for Baroque Obama as soon as the polls close, it appears.
(http://www.nolandgrab.org/images/Mr-Burns-Excellent.jpg)
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17% in now from Indiana
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
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in NC, Baroque Obama won 91% of the back vote, Hillary won 58% of the white vote.
exit polls (http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=4798314)
on edit :32% of the turnout in NC was african american
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21% in now from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
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He will take NC :bawl:
Bunch of damn Yankees, liberals, and students........................the hell with change.
I voted for Joe
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Obama wins North Carolina, CNN projects
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/06/primaries.change/index.html
(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama will win the North Carolina Democratic primary, CNN projects, but the race in Indiana is still too close to call.
art.obama.indy.ap.jpg
Obama will pick up the larger share of North Carolina's 115 delegates.
With 21 percent of Indiana precincts reporting, Sen. Hillary Clinton leads Obama 57-43 percent.
(snip)
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Intresting
Bitch 51%
Hope for change 45%
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25% in now from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
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Intresting
Bitch 51%
Hope for change 45%
:lol:
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Bitch 40%
Hpe for change 57%
with 2.7% reporting
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27% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
Nothing from North Carolina, other than notation media says Obama won.
We'll see.
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Only 4 out of 100 counties reporting and all 4 are Urban areas
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25% in now from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
the returns must not be tracking with the exit polls, or the urban areas aren't in yet . . .
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27% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
Nothing from North Carolina, other than notation media says Obama won.
We'll see.
here frank
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/3130/en/summary.html
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0 (zero) percent reporting from North Carolina.
Clinton 32%
Obama 65%
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28% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
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0 (zero) percent reporting from North Carolina.
Clinton 32%
Obama 65%
I don't believe it will be that large..................just a SWAG
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0 (zero) percent reporting from North Carolina.
Clinton 34%
Obama 63%
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on foxnews, terry macauliff (sp?) just said something about "litigating" the FL and MI delegations . . .
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32% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
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0 (zero) percent reporting from North Carolina.
FRANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/3130/en/summary.html
That is the official NC State Board of Elections Website with 3.15% reporting from 4 of 100 counties at the time I type this post
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Sorry, Crazy Horse, but I can concentrate on only one thing here.
I'm reporting from Drudge; all others are welcome to add numbers from other sites.
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33% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
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34% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
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michael barone just said on fox said that there isn't a decent turnout model in IN, but the reason that they aren't calling IN is because Baroque Obama is doing better in the raw vote than in the exits, and also that the vote from the urban counties isn't in yet.
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Bitch 41%
Change 57%
5.43% reporting from 5 of 100 counties
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interesting. it is exam week in IN and NC. Will Exams
Cost Obama Student Votes? (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121003052062869083.html)
HA!
I love it. :popcorn:
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0 (zero) percent reporting from North Carolina.
Clinton 31%
Obama 67%
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Yahoo/AP headline reads:
Obama wins in North Carolina; Clinton leads in Indiana
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36% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 57%
Obama 43%
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Bitch 41%
Hoping for Change 57%
7% reporting
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4% of North Carolina in.
Clinton 33%
Obama 65%
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38% from Indiana now in.
Clinton 56%
Obama 44%
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I wouldn't be surprised to see the party putting maximum pressure on the superdelegates to declare
for Baroque Obama starting tomorrow. the DNC needs the SDs to finish this thing before he gets pasted
in KY and WV next week. the only way to minimize the impact of those two states would be for it to be
effectively over by then. otherwise, the story will sooner or later morph into "obama'es weaknesses in
the general election". the win in NC allows them to declare victory without them seeming too stupid or
desperate.
the MSM will try to keep the horse race aspect alive as long as they can; it's a compelling story for as
long as they can keep people interested in it.
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4% of North Carolina in.
Clinton 33%
Obama 65%
How can it be that with 4% when it's 41% to 57% with 7%
Who the hell is Drudge getting his numbers from as they have been right about that since 0.7% were reporting
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5% from North Carolina now in.
Clinton 34%
Obama 65%
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39% from Indiana now in:
Clinton 56%
Obama 44%
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6% from North Carolina now in.
Clinton 34%
Obama 65%
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4% of North Carolina in.
Clinton 33%
Obama 65%
How can it be that with 4% when it's 41% to 57% with 7%
Who the hell is Drudge getting his numbers from as they have been right about that since 0.7% were reporting
franks numbers from drudge were never the same as the PA sec. state's website numbers during the PA primary, either. and sometimes they seemed to contradict each other. they magically ended up in the same place, though.
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8% from North Carolina now in.
Clinton 33%
Obama 65%
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42% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 56%
Obama 44%
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8% from North Carolina now in.
Clinton 33%
Obama 65%
sounds reasonable. cnn has obama up 64-34 with 9% in.
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Various news agencies get their numbers from various sources, which may or may not deviate from the secretary of state's numbers.
But as Wretched Excess said, the final tally's usually about the same.
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9% from North Carolina now in.
Clinton 34%
Obama 64%
This is about where Obama starts to slip little by little, right?
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News media declares Clinton winner of Indiana.
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CBS just called IN for Clinton.
marion country and areas nearby chicago seem to be the hangup.
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44% from Indiana now in.
Clinton 56%
Obama 44%
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9% from North Carolina now in.
Clinton 34%
Obama 64%
This is about where Obama starts to slip little by little, right?
Doubtful
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11% from North Carolina now in.
Clinton 34%
Obama 64%
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the IN SofS election returns site is virtually unusable for county by county results.
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47% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 55%
Obama 45%
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12% now in from North Carolina.
Clinton 34%
Obama 64%
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50% now in from Indiana.
Clinton 55%
Obama 45%
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the republican vote in IN was about 10%, and obama and clinton just about split it. THAT isn't great news for the general.
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Indiana county-by-county results (http://www.in.gov/apps/sos/primary/sos_primary08?page=district&countyID=45&partyID=1&officeID=36&districtID=937&districtshortviewID=937&candidate=)
(I finally got the IN SofS election returns site to work)
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13% from North Carolina now in.
Clinton 34%
Obama 65%
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52% for Indiana now in.
Clinton 54%
Obama 46%
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Was Indiana ever thought to be an Obama state?
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donna brazille is kicking paul begala's ass on CNN right now. :-)
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15% from North Carolina now in.
Clinton 35%
Obama 63%
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Was Indiana ever thought to be an Obama state?
Only to the clinically insane.
Today went exactly according to Hoyle (or, rather, Rush)
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Was Indiana ever thought to be an Obama state?
they were neck and neck in IN the week before the PA primary. that's why it was considered significant, since neither candidate started off with a big lead, like hillary in PA, or obama in NC.
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if you aren't watching CNN, you are missing donna brazille pile drive a bunch of beta males. :-)
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55% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 54%
Obama 46%
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Was Indiana ever thought to be an Obama state?
Only to the clinically insane.
Today went exactly according to Hoyle (or, rather, Rush)
there is a significant chuck of IN that may as well be part of chicago. I am sure he will carry it, and ft. wayne, indianapolis, & etc.
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17% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 36%
Obama 62%
56% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 54%
Obama 46%
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57% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 54%
Obama 46%
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18% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 36%
Obama 62%
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59% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 54%
Obama 46%
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19% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 36%
Obama 62%
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20% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 36%
Obama 62%
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I just ran across the IN exit polls; they have hillary winning 52-48. for what it's worth.
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fwiw- You can watch CNN online.
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-cnn.html
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I realize that this is the washington post, and they probably scoured the entire state
looking for confused republicans, but there apparently really ARE republicans that are
legitimately supporting Baroque Obama in november.
Republicans Give Mixed Reasons for Obama Votes
GRANGER, Ind. -- Voters make their choices for all kinds of reasons, then leave it to the analysts to figure out what it means.
At the Harris Township Fire Department, Sen. Barack Obama picked up votes from some Republicans who may support him in November and one who almost certainly will not.
That would be Mark Maglioa, 48, whose vote for the Illinois senator was purely strategic.
Maglioa said Obama has been speaking with a "forked tongue" about his history with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., the longtime leader of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.
Wright performed Obama's marriage and baptized his two daughters. One of his sermons inspired the talismanic title of Obama's most recent memoir, "The Audacity of Hope."
"For 20 years, he was an inspired member of that church, and then the dirty laundry got pulled out on the clothes line," said Magioa, who was unimpressed when Obama broke with Wright last week, following a series of Wright statements about the AIDS virus, U.S. foreign policy and the wisdom of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan that Obama denounced as "rants."
Yet Maglioa voted for Obama.
Why? Because as a supporter of likely Republican nominee Sen. John McCain, Maglioa aimed to help the Arizona senator by boosting the Democrat he considers the weakest November opponent.
"Barack Hussein Obama," Maglioa said, using the middle name that Obama does not use professionally. Of Sen. Hillary Clinton, he said with grudging admiration, "I just feel like she won't fold under pressure."
Anne Watson, 30, typically votes Republican but saw no point this time, now that McCain has wrapped up the nomination.
Yet she said it was important to her that the November ballot have what she called "the right Democrat, somebody who has my values and morals. After a lot of thought, I decided on Obama."
She does not yet know whom she would choose in November, but she likes Obama's decision not to take campaign contributions from political action committees: "He makes up his own mind." She felt the debate over Wright and former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers, an Obama acquaintance, was "blown out of proportion."
Jim Ballard is a 41-year-old police officer in Elkhart who did not make up his mind until last week, after Clinton and Obama had campaigned nearby. He said he would consider voting for McCain in November, depending in large part on McCain's vice presidential choice -- but he has a good feeling about Obama.
His reasons would warm the hearts of Obama and his strategists, who made a conscious decision in late April to stage smaller and more personal events -- in a horse barn, a senior center, a steel factory -- where they hoped Obama would come across less as a political rock star and more as a thoughtful listener.
"Barack seems to be hitting the smaller towns and talking to the people. And he makes you feel like you're part of the process," Ballard said, as he climbed aboard his Harley Davidson after casting his ballot. "One of the things that was said was he looked people in the eye and Hillary didn't. That's big for me, as a police officer."
link (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/06/republicans_give_mixed_reasons.html)
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Osama is going to skunk Billary here in NC. I'm going to guess he'll win by 58-42.
This is not going to be popular to say, nor will it be received well among some (maybe even here), but Osama getting 90% of the black vote in NC will not sit well with a lot of middle-class voters (the majority) in this state. Add to that he got the loins share of the pointy-headed intellectuals and the young voters, and he could have problems winning NC in the GE.
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fox news is still refusing to call IN because lake county (adjacent to chicago) is totally out right now.
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20% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 38%
Obama 60%
59% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 53%
Obama 47%
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Osama is going to skunk Billary here in NC. I'm going to guess he'll win by 58-42.
This is not going to be popular to say, nor will it be received well among some (maybe even here), but Osama getting 90% of the black vote in NC will not sit well with a lot of middle-class voters (the majority) in this state. Add to that he got the loins share of the pointy-headed intellectuals and the young voters, and he could have problems winning NC in the GE.
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I wouldn't expect NC to go dem in november if they resurrected JFK and ran him. but I didn't expect hillary to get blown out, either. jeez, the NC polls were all over the place on your state.
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68% of Indiana now in; quite a bump.
Clinton 53%
Obama 47%
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a dwarf (or perhaps a severed head on a barstool) is introducing Baroque Obama to the ObamaZombies on TV right now. :-)
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27% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 39%
Obama 59%
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wow. The MichelleStar! looks like a traffic cone tonight.
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the acceptance speech is entirely predictable by now. right down to the "I love you, too", to no one in particular in the audience.
and he sounds a little more southern than he did in PA, doesn't he? :-)
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Too much orange makeup or does her head look pointy?
I'm not watching tv right now...
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Too much orange makeup or does her head look pointy?
I'm not watching tv right now...
she APPEARS to be wearing a neon orange dress, but it's totally screwing up my TV right now, so I could have the color wrong.
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I swear, I just saw a dude pass out in the audience. there's a switch.
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32% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 39%
Obama 59%
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32% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 39%
Obama 59%
yeah, NC is a blowout. no drama left in this one. :(
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he's kissing hillary supporter ass right now, trying to scoop a few of them back into the fold for november. :-)
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32% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 39%
Obama 59%
yeah, NC is a blowout. no drama left in this one. :(
Are you sure?
I think it's going to get closer.
Not enough for Clinton to overtake, but it should go a few points closer yet.
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32% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 39%
Obama 59%
yeah, NC is a blowout. no drama left in this one. :(
Are you sure?
I think it's going to get closer.
Not enough for Clinton to overtake, but it should go a few points closer yet.
I wasn't asking you to stop the frank-ticker, by any means. :-) it was just an observation.
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33% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 39%
Obama 59%
69% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 53%
Obama 47%
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dr. nutz is getting 8% of the GOP vote in IN . . . :whatever:
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this is the part of the speech where Baroque Obama seems to mention every person in the country. but he just MANGLED that line about oil companies and oil profits. I have no idea what the man just said. :???:
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36% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 39%
Obama 59%
70% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 53%
Obama 47%
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Baroque is trying out some speech themes for the general election. it's new stuff, and it isn't coming out well.
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36% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 39%
Obama 59%
70% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 53%
Obama 47%
hillary's margin is only 40K, and lake county is totally out, as well as an urban county near indianapolis . . . this thing is going to be razor thin.
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Baroque is trying to be a uniter again.
and then . . . "all of my gaffes, my idiotic associations in the past, and pointing out my abject lack of experience are all part of the old broken politics".
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45% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 41%
Obama 57%
72% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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that auditorium is full of kids. nothing personal against 20-odd year olds, but it is striking.
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he's trying out an "I love america; I have lived the american dream" speech theme. he is obviously uncomfortable with it.
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49% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 41%
Obama 57%
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I swear he lifted that last line about "no challenge it too steep" from somewhere . . . I just can't remember where right now.
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foxnews is spot-shadowing some chick in the background that was obviously orgasmic during his speech. we will see her on youtube tomorrow. :-)
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51% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 41%
Obama 57%
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73% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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74% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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that speech sucked. not just by his Iowa or SC acceptance speech standards, but it just plain sucked by any standard.
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73% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
it wouldn't completely shock me to see hillary lose IN before this is all over.
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52% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 41%
Obama 57%
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73% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
it wouldn't completely shock me to see hillary lose IN before this is all over.
The margins are definitely narrowing.
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56% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 42%
Obama 56%
75% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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57% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 41%
Obama 56%
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73% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
it wouldn't completely shock me to see hillary lose IN before this is all over.
The margins are definitely narrowing.
and the counties that are still out are obama's demographic strengths. I think this may be it for her. I think the SDs are going to come out for BO in droves starting tomorrow, probably prodded by the DNC.
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76% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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73% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
it wouldn't completely shock me to see hillary lose IN before this is all over.
The margins are definitely narrowing.
and the counties that are still out are obama's demographic strengths. I think this may be it for her. I think the SDs are going to come out for BO in droves starting tomorrow, probably prodded by the DNC.
Marion County, that is to say Indianapolis is listed at 25% black. The other 'big' county is up north-west, Gary (near Chigaco) and is also about that % black. Both of those counties are still coming in.
:fuelfire:
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73% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
it wouldn't completely shock me to see hillary lose IN before this is all over.
The margins are definitely narrowing.
and the counties that are still out are obama's demographic strengths. I think this may be it for her. I think the SDs are going to come out for BO in droves starting tomorrow, probably prodded by the DNC.
Marion County, that is to say Indianapolis is listed at 25% black. The other 'big' county is up north-west, Gary (near Chigaco) and is also about that % black. Both of those counties are still coming in.
:fuelfire:
yeah, marion and lake are still out.
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Not to derail, Frank, but mrs dutch asks how you are doing and also how are the cats?
I tried to explain we are talking manly erlection stuff, but she shooooshed me.
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59% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 42%
Obama 56%
78% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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hillary's popular vote margin is down to 30K votes.
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79% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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even a squeaker win for hillary ruins her strategy. a big win in IN was her bridge to KY and WV. big wins there created a case for her to argue that FL (and possibly MI) should be seated at the convention.
and all of those things had to fall into place for her, and in that order. the entire house of cards could be tumbling down tonight.
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81% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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even a squeaker win for hillary ruins her strategy. a big win in IN was her bridge to KY and WV. big wins there created a case for her to argue that FL (and possibly MI) should be seated at the convention.
and all of those things had to fall into place for her, and in that order. the entire house of cards could be tumbling down tonight.
I've noticed she had a pretty good jump in numbers in N.C. though. Does anyone know where we can see totals for the entire country so far, in terms of popular vote?
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65% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 42%
Obama 56%
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michael barone just said that if obama wins lake county by 60-40 or better, he could pull out the win. he won by that margin or better in marion, hamilton, and is doing it in monroe county (only 23% in).
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82% of Indiana now in.
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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her lead just jumped back to slightly over 40K. still . . . .
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69% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 42%
Obama 56%
Why is North Carolina only 98% and not 100%?
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the dodgers are underway against the mets. my attention will probably wander . . . :-)
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69% of North Carolina now in.
Clinton 42%
Obama 56%
Why is North Carolina only 98% and not 100%?
edwards supporters, I would think. it is his state. and people who voted for mickey mouse or buggs bunny.
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the dodgers are underway against the mets. my attention will probably wander . . . :-)
Dodgers suck. ...and yes, I do expect a bitch-slap. :-)
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the dodgers are underway against the mets. my attention will probably wander . . . :-)
Dodgers suck. ...and yes, I do expect a bitch-slap. :-)
not after that pitch. 1-0 mets. that ball should enter earth orbit in a few seconds. your sense of timing is eerie .
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(it wasn't me. seriously. :-) )
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Well, Hell.
Drudge isn't updating as much any more, and I'm beat.
I'm going to say Messalina Agrippina loses one percentage point in Indiana, and gains one percentage point in North Carolina when this is all over.
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okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary. I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:
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okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary. I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:
John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN. They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST
Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her. If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.
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okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary. I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:
John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN. They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST
Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her. If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.
indiana is looking more and more lost for hillary. and I also think that this is probably it for her tonight, even if the squeaks out a win.
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okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary. I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:
John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN. They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST
Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her. If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.
indiana is looking more and more lost for hillary. and I also think that this is probably it for her tonight, even if the squeaks out a win.
Even if it holds at a 4% win for Hillary it's a huge loss.
But according to DU (I'm not watching her speech) she's "full speed ahead to the White House."
Mathematically there's no way for her to overtake Obama in pledged delegates.
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okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary. I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:
John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN. They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST
Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her. If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.
indiana is looking more and more lost for hillary. and I also think that this is probably it for her tonight, even if the squeaks out a win.
Even if it holds at a 4% win for Hillary it's a huge loss.
But according to DU (I'm not watching her speech) she's "full speed ahead to the White House."
Mathematically there's no way for her to overtake Obama in pledged delegates.
catching him really wasn't a realistic goal. just preventing him from clinching the nomination before they got to the convention was the only realistic goal. then you can work on FL and MI, and twist the arms of the SDs. it was a long shot to begin with, but I think it is falling apart tonight.
and don't think for a second that the SD were invented for anything other than utterly anti-democratic reasons. they exist so the party elders could stop the silly and easily influenced public from nominating an unelectable candidate. all of this blathering about how the SDs should vote 'the will of the primary victor' is just hypocritical.
but I agree with you. she is toast after tonight. I said that a pretty good ways upstream in this thread already.
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Her speech is awful. Who are these people that love her so much, they're chanting her name. They make me want to vomit.
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okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary. I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:
John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN. They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST
Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her. If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.
indiana is looking more and more lost for hillary. and I also think that this is probably it for her tonight, even if the squeaks out a win.
Even if it holds at a 4% win for Hillary it's a huge loss.
But according to DU (I'm not watching her speech) she's "full speed ahead to the White House."
Mathematically there's no way for her to overtake Obama in pledged delegates.
catching him really wasn't a realistic goal. just preventing him from clinching the nomination before they got to the convention was the only realistic goal. then you can work on FL and MI, and twist the arms of the SDs. it was a long shot to begin with, but I think it is falling apart tonight.
and don't think for a second that the SD were invented for anything other than utterly anti-democratic reasons. they exist so the party elders could stop the silly and easily influenced public from nominating an unelectable candidate. all of this blathering about how the SDs should vote 'the will of the primary victor' is just hypocritical.
but I agree with you. she is toast after tonight. I said that a pretty good ways upstream in this thread already.
Yeah, I totally didn't read this whole thread. It was long before I got here. :-)
Her speech is awful. Who are these people that love her so much, they're chanting her name. They make me want to vomit.
I can't stand listening to her. I'm watching "The Office" instead.
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in 2000, the population of lake county was 485,000. I guess there could be 40K more votes for obama than for hillary there.
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in 2000, the population of lake county was 485,000. I guess there could be 40K more votes for obama than for hillary there.
If what that dude said was right, that Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win, then it's a definite possibility that Obama will win.
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Her speech is awful. Who are these people that love her so much, they're chanting her name. They make me want to vomit.
I actually work with a Hillary supporter. Yes, it is tough not to deck her every so often.
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Her speech is awful. Who are these people that love her so much, they're chanting her name. They make me want to vomit.
I actually work with a Hillary supporter. Yes, it is tough not to deck her every so often.
Oh, thankfully I don't know any Hillary supporters in real life. I know lots of Obama supporters and republicans that will grudgingly support McCain, but no Hillary people.
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Huh. Obama was in Raleigh out by NCSU. I used to live off Hillsborough Street, right across the street from the clock tower. That neighborhood is always crowded with people... I'll bet it was chaos.
The other side of the campus on Western Blvd isn't any better but there's not as many pedestrians.
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"The rally took up maybe a quarter of the floor space in the arena. Part of running a decent campaign is knowing how big a crowd you might have and planning accordingly so as not to embarrass yourselves with a woefully understuffed venue."
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/mkhammer/coliseum2.jpg?t=1210131558)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/mkhammer/coliseum1.jpg?t=1210131601)
http://townhall.com/blog/g/082ab837-a4f6-4a7d-bec3-2fff2d27a681
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Less than 20,000 vote difference.
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the mayor is an obama supporter, so take this with a grain of salt, but this could be about to happen.
I saw somewhere else where teh rove had said obama would need 70% of lake county to win, and he
thought that wouldn't be possible, but he did say he expected it to be so close that the IN delegates
would be evenly split.
I wonder if hillary can take back her IN victory speech, and Obama rescind his congratulations?
Gary Mayor Predicts Possible Indiana Shocker
As the fate of a nailbiter Indiana primary -- and possibly the course of the Democratic race -- hung on his city, Gary Mayor Rudy Clay said just now that it might take a while yet to finish counting the vote in Lake County, which includes Gary, and said tonight his city had turned out so overwhelmingly for Barack Obama that it might just be enough to close the gap with Hillary Rodham Clinton.
"Let me tell you, when all the votes are counted, when Gary comes in, I think you're looking at something for the world to see," Clay, an Obama supporter, said in a telephone interview from Obama's Gary headquarters. "I don't know what the numbers are yet, but Gary has absolutely produced in large numbers for Obama here."
Clay said the results were late coming in from Lake County because of the large numbers of absentee ballots that had to be counted -- about 11,000. Under local practice, all of the cartridges from voting machines in Gary and nearby East Chicago are first collected at the local airport before being driven to the county headquarters to be tallied with the results from the rest of the county, he said. He said there were no major technical problems holding up the count.
"It takes a little time. We want to be sure that every vote is counted fair and right," he said. "I just talked to the director out there and they are working like junkyard dogs to get that done as soon as possible. They are taking some time but I told them to do it right. That's what taking the time."
Gary, a predominantly African-American, post-industrial city, is considered a major stronghold for the Illinois senator, whose South Side Chicago home is just a short drive across the border. Smaller towns within Lake County are expected to break in a more balanced way between Obama and Clinton. In 2004, 188,000 voters turned out in Lake County, with 61 percent voting for John Kerry. Clay predicted that Clinton would win other towns in the county by narrow margins but that Obama would rack up huge totals in Gary, where he said some precincts reported only a handful of votes for Clinton. So closely was he following the local vote counting that he did not even know how close the statewide vote had gotten -- a four percentage difference at 10:30.
More (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/06/gary_mayor_predicts_possible_i.html)
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Less than 20,000 vote difference.
lake county is 28% in; 28K votes for obama to 9K votes for hillary. he is currently polling 75%
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I wonder if hillary can take back her IN victory speech, and Obama rescind his congratulations?
Obama did say "apparent win." LOL
MSNBC just said that Hillary canceled all her morning talk show appearances for tomorrow morning. :-)
lake county is 28% in; 28K votes for obama to 9K votes for hillary. he is currently polling 75%
It's going to be close no matter who wins.
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I wonder if hillary can take back her IN victory speech, and Obama rescind his congratulations?
Obama did say "apparent win." LOL
MSNBC just said that Hillary canceled all her morning talk show appearances for tomorrow morning. :-)
lake county is 28% in; 28K votes for obama to 9K votes for hillary. he is currently polling 75%
It's going to be close no matter who wins.
close wasn't going to be good enough for her. a tsunami is going to hit hillary island tomorrow calling for her to drop out. and she should. she's done.
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close wasn't going to be good enough for her. a tsunami is going to hit hillary island tomorrow calling for her to drop out. and she should. she's done.
Agreed. But then I've thought she should have dropped out after Super Tuesday when she announced she had to "loan" herself $5 million. Once you have to start loaning yourself money at this point, you're toast.
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CBS could wind up so embarrassed after this that they remember the furor over the TANG memo as the good old days. :-)
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I wonder if hillary can take back her IN victory speech, and Obama rescind his congratulations?
Obama did say "apparent win." LOL
MSNBC just said that Hillary canceled all her morning talk show appearances for tomorrow morning. :-)
lake county is 28% in; 28K votes for obama to 9K votes for hillary. he is currently polling 75%
It's going to be close no matter who wins.
close wasn't going to be good enough for her. a tsunami is going to hit hillary island tomorrow calling for her to drop out. and she should. she's done.
:cheersmate:
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close wasn't going to be good enough for her. a tsunami is going to hit hillary island tomorrow calling for her to drop out. and she should. she's done.
Agreed. But then I've thought she should have dropped out after Super Tuesday when she announced she had to "loan" herself $5 million. Once you have to start loaning yourself money at this point, you're toast.
it was very improbable, but possible. she won every primary since then (or close to it). if she had won IN convincingly, and run close in NC, Baroque Obama would be in almost as much trouble right now as she is.
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CBS could wind up so embarrassed after this that they remember the furor over the TANG memo as the good old days. :-)
LOL, agreed! :lmao:
Like this thread on DU http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5847583 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5847583)
Someone posted this for the OP:
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:lmao: :lmao:
close wasn't going to be good enough for her. a tsunami is going to hit hillary island tomorrow calling for her to drop out. and she should. she's done.
Agreed. But then I've thought she should have dropped out after Super Tuesday when she announced she had to "loan" herself $5 million. Once you have to start loaning yourself money at this point, you're toast.
it was very improbable, but possible. she won every primary since then (or close to it). if she had won IN convincingly, and run close in NC, Baroque Obama would be in almost as much trouble right now as she is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. :) If, if, if. LOL
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I ride my bike past Hillary HQ in Portland on my way back from my evening hike. I saw the crew out there leaving after work. They looked incredibly bummed.
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I ride my bike past Hillary HQ in Portland on my way back from my evening hike. I saw the crew out there leaving after work. They looked incredibly bummed.
As they should, they're backing a LOSER.
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(http://www.soulmachine.dyndns.org/images/bottomlessmugoffail.jpg)
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I ride my bike past Hillary HQ in Portland on my way back from my evening hike. I saw the crew out there leaving after work. They looked incredibly bummed.
That sounds like comedy gold. Too bad primary season is over.
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CBS could wind up so embarrassed after this that they remember the furor over the TANG memo as the good old days. :-)
LOL, agreed! :lmao:
Like this thread on DU http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5847583 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5847583)
Someone posted this for the OP:
**icky oversized (but funny) image snipped** :-)
:lmao: :lmao:
close wasn't going to be good enough for her. a tsunami is going to hit hillary island tomorrow calling for her to drop out. and she should. she's done.
Agreed. But then I've thought she should have dropped out after Super Tuesday when she announced she had to "loan" herself $5 million. Once you have to start loaning yourself money at this point, you're toast.
it was very improbable, but possible. she won every primary since then (or close to it). if she had won IN convincingly, and run close in NC, Baroque Obama would be in almost as much trouble right now as she is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. :) If, if, if. LOL
poor embarrassed DU hillary guy. :-) I am sure they are being gentle over there. :whatever:
the polls were all over the place on IN and NC. no one knew what was going to happen tonight. it made sense, even to
me, right up until lake county wouldn't count their friggin' ballots tonight. :-)
the conventional wisdom has turned, though. I don't think the republicans mind running against obama at all. in fact, many
of us actually prefer it.
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Labors of Hercules (1000+ posts) Wed May-07-08 12:10 AM
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We are North Carolina, and we have decided!
blarghahahahah!! :rofl:
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Keith Libtard Olberman just called tonight Hillary's virtual finish line. :lmao:
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I remember the Economist Magazine printed an editorial about what President Hillary would mean for the US and the world, as they assumed that would be a foregone conclusion.
I think journalists look great with egg on their faces.
It looks like Indiana is going Obama's way too.
I like saying this. I will say it over and over. Who wants to join in the chorus?
Hillary is Toast!
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Keith Libtard Olberman just called tonight Hillary's virtual finish line. :lmao:
Keith needs to be pantsed on national television.
He is such a nerd.
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there is a rural county that will run strong for hillary, union county, that is still 100% out. but there probably aren't 5K votes in the whole county; the adjacent counties each report in at 100%, but have 3K and 4K total votes. I assume union county will be similar.
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Keith Libtard Olberman just called tonight Hillary's virtual finish line. :lmao:
we beat him to the punch over an hour ago. :-)
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there is a rural county that will run strong for hillary, union county, that is still 100% out. but there probably aren't 5K votes in the whole county; the adjacent counties each report in at 100%, but have 3K and 4K total votes. I assume union county will be similar.
Yes, I believe so.
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lake county has been stuck at 28% for 30 minutes. :whatever:
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Fox just announced 6000 absentee votes won't be counted till tomorrow. :bs:
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I see what I get for not paying attention.
The elections results have changed.
:thatsright:
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Fox just announced 6000 absentee votes won't be counted till tomorrow. :bs:
MSNBC said that some counties will do their absentee tonight and some tomorrow, but I don't think they're referring to Lake County.
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Interesting Fox news Headline that Obama was giving Limbaugh credit for 7% of Hillary's total.
They believe in Operation Chaos.
If the Dems believe that Hillary needs Limbaugh's support to win, she just went down the tubes.
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there is a rural county that will run strong for hillary, union county, that is still 100% out. but there probably aren't 5K votes in the whole county; the adjacent counties each report in at 100%, but have 3K and 4K total votes. I assume union county will be similar.
Yes, I believe so.
one other obama county at 70% in, monroe. but there is probably only another 4K net votes for him there.
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Interesting Fox news Headline that Obama was giving Limbaugh credit for 7% of Hillary's total.
They believe in Operation Chaos.
If the Dems believe that Hillary needs Limbaugh's support to win, she just went down the tubes.
:rotf: :evillaugh:
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Fox just announced 6000 absentee votes won't be counted till tomorrow. :bs:
MSNBC said that some counties will do their absentee tonight and some tomorrow, but I don't think they're referring to Lake County.
I doubt it. but nothing is moving. the statewide total is stuck at 92%, and lake is stuck at 28. I checked CNN, MSNBC, foxnews, and everything else I could think of.
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Fox just announced 6000 absentee votes won't be counted till tomorrow. :bs:
MSNBC said that some counties will do their absentee tonight and some tomorrow, but I don't think they're referring to Lake County.
I doubt it. but nothing is moving. the statewide total is stuck at 92%, and lake is stuck at 28. I checked CNN, MSNBC, foxnews, and everything else I could think of.
I'm debating how much longer to stay up...
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lake county is moving again.
45K-25K obama, he is at 65%
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Fox just announced 6000 absentee votes won't be counted till tomorrow. :bs:
MSNBC said that some counties will do their absentee tonight and some tomorrow, but I don't think they're referring to Lake County.
I doubt it. but nothing is moving. the statewide total is stuck at 92%, and lake is stuck at 28. I checked CNN, MSNBC, foxnews, and everything else I could think of.
I'm debating how much longer to stay up...
Go get some sleep. You can check the results once you awake refreshed and ready for a new day.
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the statewide margin is 17K w/ 95% reporting
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lake county is moving again.
45K-25K obama, he is at 65%
Then I'm staying up for a while longer. :-)
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lake county was reporting in with 56% of the precincts, by the way.
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Attacked Opponent Unfairly:
76% said Hillary!
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Attacked Opponent Unfairly:
76% said Hillary!
I'm confused.... What is this number about? :o
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in the 2004 presidential election, lake county went 61% for kerry. he got 114,000 votes. the votes are probably there for obama.
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Attacked Opponent Unfairly:
76% said Hillary!
I'm confused.... What is this number about? :o
exit polls, i assume.
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Attacked Opponent Unfairly:
76% said Hillary!
I'm confused.... What is this number about? :o
Exit poll.
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:yawn:
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my purpose in going back to the 2004 presidential election results was to get an idea of how many democrat votes were in that county. the answer is, "a shit load".
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:yawn:
I think MSNBC is wrapping up for the night...
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:yawn:
I think MSNBC is wrapping up for the night...
I'm gunna be wrapping up soon myself, lol. Think I'll go watch "Scrubs", have some nicorette gum and if this thing isn't over, I'm going to crash.
:-)
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:yawn:
I think MSNBC is wrapping up for the night...
I'm gunna be wrapping up soon myself, lol. Think I'll go watch "Scrubs", have some nicorette gum and if this thing isn't over, I'm going to crash.
:-)
it's only the top of the 8th inning in LA. I am here at least until the game is over. :-)
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:yawn:
I think MSNBC is wrapping up for the night...
I'm gunna be wrapping up soon myself, lol. Think I'll go watch "Scrubs", have some nicorette gum and if this thing isn't over, I'm going to crash.
:-)
it's only the top of the 8th inning in LA. I am here at least until the game is over. :-)
It's midnight...I'm debating how much longer to wait up.
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:yawn:
I think MSNBC is wrapping up for the night...
I'm gunna be wrapping up soon myself, lol. Think I'll go watch "Scrubs", have some nicorette gum and if this thing isn't over, I'm going to crash.
:-)
it's only the top of the 8th inning in LA. I am here at least until the game is over. :-)
It's midnight...I'm debating how much longer to wait up.
it was about 30 mins between lake county updates last time; we should be due shortly.
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the statewide numbers just moved, but it wasn't lake county; hillary is up 22K
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MSNBC just declared Hillary the winner. But then went on to how it's still a bad night for Hillary.
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17,000 more for Obama, please Gd, I will be nice and good and give up... _______ if you just make Messalina loose!
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it WAS lake county, and it didn't go the way we expected. at 98% in, obama 66K, hillary 53K, he is only at 55%.
lake county isn't going to do it for him, it doesn't appear.
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Even if she wins 49% to 51, it's not enough to sway the SD. She's done...she should quit, but then again, she is a Clinton and anything is possible. She's capable of destroying the democratic party if she doesn't get her way.
FOX just called it for Clinton.
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MSNBC just declared Hillary the winner. But then went on to how it's still a bad night for Hillary.
it was all about lake county, all night long. when they came in, it was over. a 2 point win doesn't get it done for her.
she's still toast.
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Even if she wins 49% to 51, it's not enough to sway the SD. She's done...she should quit, but then again, she is a Clinton and anything is possible. She's capable of destroying the democratic party if she doesn't get away.
FOX just called it for Clinton.
Agreed. Even the spin after they declared is that this is a bad night for Hillary.
MSNBC just declared Hillary the winner. But then went on to how it's still a bad night for Hillary.
it was all about lake county, all night long. when they came in, it was over. a 2 point win doesn't get it done for her.
she's still toast.
Agreed. :)
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sorry, mia. :wink:
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sorry, mia. :wink:
Nah. He still kicked her ass. This isn't the win that she needs. If he can still manage to overcome her kitchen sink for the last 6-8 weeks, he's doing good.
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sorry, mia. :wink:
Nah. He still kicked her ass. This isn't the win that she needs. If he can still manage to overcome her kitchen sink for the last 6-8 weeks, he's doing good.
if she drags him through WV and KY, it's just for pure clintonesque spite. she should tap out right here.
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I signed up the hillaryclinton.com just to see what's going on in her campaign and I just received an email to contribute and how she's continuing on. :mental: Poor suckers that really are delusional enough to actually continue to support her. :loser:
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sorry, mia. :wink:
Nah. He still kicked her ass. This isn't the win that she needs. If he can still manage to overcome her kitchen sink for the last 6-8 weeks, he's doing good.
yeah, but if he had flipped IN, even she would have had to admit that she was done.
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I signed up the hillaryclinton.com just to see what's going on in her campaign and I just received an email to contribute and how she's continuing on. :mental: Poor suckers that really are delusional enough to actually continue to support her. :loser:
I bet her web programmers never see another paycheck. :-)
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sorry, mia. :wink:
Nah. He still kicked her ass. This isn't the win that she needs. If he can still manage to overcome her kitchen sink for the last 6-8 weeks, he's doing good.
if she drags him through WV and KY, it's just for pure clintonesque spite. she should tap out right here.
Agreed. They're vengeful. Look at what they said about Richardson "traitor" & "Judas."
I don't put it past her to try and ruin him for the General so she could run in 2012. But she's alienating a whole lotta people, especially the younger people that Obama's energizing to the party. I mean, even that exit poll where 76% of people said Hillary attacked unfairly. That's a lot. The more she attacks, the more her negatives go up. So even if somehow she managed to convince all the supers to go her way, she's ruined even more as a nominee.
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I signed up the hillaryclinton.com just to see what's going on in her campaign and I just received an email to contribute and how she's continuing on. :mental: Poor suckers that really are delusional enough to actually continue to support her. :loser:
I bet her web programmers never see another paycheck. :-)
There's a lot of people waiting on money from Hillary, have you seen her debt!
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sorry, mia. :wink:
Nah. He still kicked her ass. This isn't the win that she needs. If he can still manage to overcome her kitchen sink for the last 6-8 weeks, he's doing good.
if she drags him through WV and KY, it's just for pure clintonesque spite. she should tap out right here.
Agreed. They're vengeful. Look at what they said about Richardson "traitor" & "Judas."
I don't put it past her to try and ruin him for the General so she could run in 2012. But she's alienating a whole lotta people, especially the younger people that Obama's energizing to the party. I mean, even that exit poll where 76% of people said Hillary attacked unfairly. That's a lot. The more she attacks, the more her negatives go up. So even if somehow she managed to convince all the supers to go her way, she's ruined even more as a nominee.
she officially stopped mattering tonight.
and we can only hope that all the "energized young people" come to their senses by november. :-)
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sorry, mia. :wink:
Nah. He still kicked her ass. This isn't the win that she needs. If he can still manage to overcome her kitchen sink for the last 6-8 weeks, he's doing good.
if she drags him through WV and KY, it's just for pure clintonesque spite. she should tap out right here.
Agreed. They're vengeful. Look at what they said about Richardson "traitor" & "Judas."
I don't put it past her to try and ruin him for the General so she could run in 2012. But she's alienating a whole lotta people, especially the younger people that Obama's energizing to the party. I mean, even that exit poll where 76% of people said Hillary attacked unfairly. That's a lot. The more she attacks, the more her negatives go up. So even if somehow she managed to convince all the supers to go her way, she's ruined even more as a nominee.
Dick Morris said the same exact thing. She wants McCain to win so she can run again in 2012, chances are they will not vote in another republican for so many consecutive terms, and she has a better shot in becoming the Pres.
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I signed up the hillaryclinton.com just to see what's going on in her campaign and I just received an email to contribute and how she's continuing on. :mental: Poor suckers that really are delusional enough to actually continue to support her. :loser:
I bet her web programmers never see another paycheck. :-)
There's a lot of people waiting on money from Hillary, have you seen her debt!
I think there are going to be quite a few more. :uhsure:
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she officially stopped mattering tonight.
and we can only hope that all the "energized young people" come to their senses by november. :-)
Well, I doubt that. Those young college kids aren't going to move to McCain compared to Obama. Unless Obama gets find with a dead girl/live boy. LOL
But I always like to see people get interested in politics, no matter what party. :)
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sorry, mia. :wink:
Nah. He still kicked her ass. This isn't the win that she needs. If he can still manage to overcome her kitchen sink for the last 6-8 weeks, he's doing good.
if she drags him through WV and KY, it's just for pure clintonesque spite. she should tap out right here.
Agreed. They're vengeful. Look at what they said about Richardson "traitor" & "Judas."
I don't put it past her to try and ruin him for the General so she could run in 2012. But she's alienating a whole lotta people, especially the younger people that Obama's energizing to the party. I mean, even that exit poll where 76% of people said Hillary attacked unfairly. That's a lot. The more she attacks, the more her negatives go up. So even if somehow she managed to convince all the supers to go her way, she's ruined even more as a nominee.
Dick Morris said the same exact thing. She wants McCain to win so she can run again in 2012, chances are they will not vote in another republican for so many consecutive terms, and she has a better shot in becoming the Pres.
dick morris hasn't been right since he gave up toe sucking. :-)
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sorry, mia. :wink:
Nah. He still kicked her ass. This isn't the win that she needs. If he can still manage to overcome her kitchen sink for the last 6-8 weeks, he's doing good.
if she drags him through WV and KY, it's just for pure clintonesque spite. she should tap out right here.
Agreed. They're vengeful. Look at what they said about Richardson "traitor" & "Judas."
I don't put it past her to try and ruin him for the General so she could run in 2012. But she's alienating a whole lotta people, especially the younger people that Obama's energizing to the party. I mean, even that exit poll where 76% of people said Hillary attacked unfairly. That's a lot. The more she attacks, the more her negatives go up. So even if somehow she managed to convince all the supers to go her way, she's ruined even more as a nominee.
Dick Morris said the same exact thing. She wants McCain to win so she can run again in 2012, chances are they will not vote in another republican for so many consecutive terms, and she has a better shot in becoming the Pres.
dick morris hasn't been right since he gave up toe sucking.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Well, Dick does seem to have a stiff one for Hillary (no pun) so maybe he's biased... :lmao:
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she officially stopped mattering tonight.
and we can only hope that all the "energized young people" come to their senses by november. :-)
Well, I doubt that. Those young college kids aren't going to move to McCain compared to Obama. Unless Obama gets find with a dead girl/live boy. LOL
But I always like to see people get interested in politics, no matter what party. :)
college kids have been "the next big thing" in the last three elections; they haven't been a factor yet. their turnout DID set records in 2004, but it was offset because every other demographic group turned out as big or bigger.
but I hear ya. unifying and healing, and all that :wink:
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Well, Dick does seem to have a stiff one for Hillary (no pun) so maybe he's biased... :lmao:
dick morris acts like bill clinton broke up with him or something.
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Well, Dick some seem to have a stiff one for Hillary (no pun) so maybe he's biased... :lmao:
I have to say his books are interesting. she officially stopped mattering tonight.
and we can only hope that all the "energized young people" come to their senses by november. :-)
Well, I doubt that. Those young college kids aren't going to move to McCain compared to Obama. Unless Obama gets find with a dead girl/live boy. LOL
But I always like to see people get interested in politics, no matter what party. :)
college kids have been "the next big thing" in the last three elections; they haven't been a factor yet. their turnout DID set records in 2004, but it was offset because every other demographic group turned out as big or bigger.
but I hear ya. unifying and healing, and all that :wink:
This was a big primary though. *shrug*
In general, though I feel the general American public are stupid, it's embarrassing that so few people vote. Heck, I vote in every little election that I can. :)
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Okay, they're reporting that Clinton's canceled all events except a fund raising event tomorrow.
She does need to pay off that $10 million+ debt.
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Well, Dick some seem to have a stiff one for Hillary (no pun) so maybe he's biased... :lmao:
I have to say his books are interesting. she officially stopped mattering tonight.
and we can only hope that all the "energized young people" come to their senses by november. :-)
Well, I doubt that. Those young college kids aren't going to move to McCain compared to Obama. Unless Obama gets find with a dead girl/live boy. LOL
But I always like to see people get interested in politics, no matter what party. :)
college kids have been "the next big thing" in the last three elections; they haven't been a factor yet. their turnout DID set records in 2004, but it was offset because every other demographic group turned out as big or bigger.
but I hear ya. unifying and healing, and all that :wink:
This was a big primary though. *shrug*
In general, though I feel the general American public are stupid, it's embarrassing that so few people vote. Heck, I vote in every little election that I can. :)
it was a good night for The BarackStar! it looked like all the trends were moving against him, and he pulled it out.
NC is going to finish at 12, it looks like.
(and the dodgers pulled out a victory after looking like they were going to get STOMPED tonight, so it's all good :-))
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Okay, they're reporting that Clinton's canceled all events except a fund raising event tomorrow.
She does need to pay off that $10 million+ debt.
that about cinches it. she's pulling out.
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Okay, they're reporting that Clinton's canceled all events except a fund raising event tomorrow.
She does need to pay off that $10 million+ debt.
that about cinches it. she's pulling out.
I'm hoping
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Okay, they're reporting that Clinton's canceled all events except a fund raising event tomorrow.
She does need to pay off that $10 million+ debt.
that about cinches it. she's pulling out.
I'm hoping
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someone at DU is trying to say that she isn't canceling anything, because they weren't firm commitments to begin with (or something) :-)
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someone at DU is trying to say that she isn't canceling anything, because they weren't firm commitments to begin with (or something) :-)
That's call a Hillbot. Now, I'm nice and I never use those names at DU, but there are clearly Hillbots and Obamabots. The hardcore supporters that never see anything ever wrong with their candidate.
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lawrence o'donnell is blathering on about operation chaos in IN on PMSNBC :???: . he must be on work release from the booby hatch tonight. :whatever: :-)
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lawrence o'donnell is blathering on about operation chaos in IN on PMSNBC :???: . he must be on work release from the booby hatch tonight. :whatever: :-)
All righty, I must get to bed. :yawn:
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lawrence o'donnell is blathering on about operation chaos in IN on PMSNBC :???: . he must be on work release from the booby hatch tonight. :whatever: :-)
All righty, I must get to bed. :yawn:
n'ighters, mia.
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lawrence o'donnell is blathering on about operation chaos in IN on PMSNBC :???: . he must be on work release from the booby hatch tonight. :whatever: :-)
All righty, I must get to bed. :yawn:
n'ighters, mia.
Nighty Night WE. :-*
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The talking heads were going on and on in Jan about how the election was hers to loose, well, she lost it.
She may be making plans for 2012, but the democrats in general have only liked the Clintons because they were, by and large, winners. It doesn't matter that they cost the Democratic party itself big time, they still won.
Now Clinton is a huge looser. Not only that, she is a looser who is threatening to destroy them for her own petty reasons.
This was supposed to nail Obama's coffin. It will be the last we hear of the Clintons ever again.
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The talking heads were going on and on in Jan about how the election was hers to loose, well, she lost it.
She may be making plans for 2012, but the democrats in general have only liked the Clintons because they were, by and large, winners. It doesn't matter that they cost the Democratic party itself big time, they still won.
Now Clinton is a huge looser. Not only that, she is a looser who is threatening to destroy them for her own petty reasons.
This was supposed to nail Obama's coffin. It will be the last we hear of the Clintons ever again.
poor hillary. :-) who knew that the biggest thing to hit presidential politics since reagan was going to
arrive out of nowhere and rain all over her parade?? I still think she would have won if her campaign
hadn't been so woefully mismanaged in the early going because they were so sure that she would
waltz to the nomination. she had a "big state strategy" that effectively ignored more super tuesday
delegates than it targeted. I saw a study that indicated that if the dem nomination was decided like
the republican nomination, that she would have clinched by now.
coulda, woulda, shoulda. :evillaugh:
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Number of total NC Republicans who voted for various offices:
President - 497,918
Senate - 509,852
Governor - 502,992
Senate, Governor, President from 1 to 3 in popularity of contest.
So approx. 12,000 voters voted for the Senate race (Elizabeth Dole won) who didn't vote for president at all. John McCain got 74% (381,138) of the Presidential Preference vote with people knowing he was going to be the nominee anyway.
I would place people who didn't vote for McCain in 3 categories: (1) Knew he had won the nomination so why bother, (2) liked one of the remaining candidates or just voted for one of them to register a non-vote for McCain, or (3) didn't like any of them. No guarantees any of those who either didn't vote at all or voted for another candidate will vote for McCain in the GE. Of course, there's the Dem crossover vote.
Different results for the Dem election:
President - 1,561,101
Senate - 1,338,740
Governor - 1,498,518
President, Governor, Senate in popularity of contest.
Good sign for crossovers for Dole. No so much for McCain at this point, but like I mentioned earlier, with him getting 90% of the black vote and the majority of the college prof clowns and youth, that might be enough to push Clinton people over to McCain.
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I was a (very) little surprised to see the talking heads on the morning shows swooning
over Baroque Obama's speech last night. it sucked. joe scarborough, who is straining
desperately to sound like he has genuinely liberal moments, literally made a fool out of
himself this morning. "he answered the question, 'why do you love this country?'". first
of all, no he didn't. and second, even if he did, isn't a little late? why has he only decided
that he loved this country after he had effectively clinched the dem nomination? could it
be because loving this country will get you despised by dem primary voters?
it was a silly, empty little speech, delivered (for some reason) in his "preacher voice",
that (once again, for some reason) touched on themes for the first time that should have
been known quantities long ago.
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Number of total NC Republicans who voted for various offices:
President - 497,918
Senate - 509,852
Governor - 502,992
Senate, Governor, President from 1 to 3 in popularity of contest.
So approx. 12,000 voters voted for the Senate race (Elizabeth Dole won) who didn't vote for president at all. John McCain got 74% (381,138) of the Presidential Preference vote with people knowing he was going to be the nominee anyway.
I would place people who didn't vote for McCain in 3 categories: (1) Knew he had won the nomination so why bother, (2) liked one of the remaining candidates or just voted for one of them to register a non-vote for McCain, or (3) didn't like any of them. No guarantees any of those who either didn't vote at all or voted for another candidate will vote for McCain in the GE. Of course, there's the Dem crossover vote.
Different results for the Dem election:
President - 1,561,101
Senate - 1,338,740
Governor - 1,498,518
President, Governor, Senate in popularity of contest.
Good sign for crossovers for Dole. No so much for McCain at this point, but like I mentioned earlier, with him getting 90% of the black vote and the majority of the college prof clowns and youth, that might be enough to push Clinton people over to McCain.
I'm having trouble drawing conclusions from primary election voting trends for the general election. they had (what was
for them) an "electrifying" primary between two "historic" candidates, while we spent most of the primary season
wishing [ fill in the blank ] would jump into the contest.
I don't think Baroque Obama can run as a "uniter" who will "reach across party lines" against mccain. he just isn't, and
hasn't. and mccain, usually to the annoyance of conservatives, is a uniter and has a long track record of working with
dems. I actually think mccain matches up well against obama.
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Hilary isn't bowing out gracefully by any means. Drudge is reporting she just made another "loan" to her campaign:
**DRUDGE EXCLUSIVE 8:59 EM ET**: Senator Clinton has made another multi-million dollar loan to her campaign. She gave $6.4M in the past month and will be giving more... Developing...
The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if she crashed McCain's Inauguration ceremony.
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The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming.
I agree.
She's 60 yrs old. She can't wait until 2016 and she's 68. It's either now or 2012 for her.
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The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming.
I agree.
She's 60 yrs old. She can't wait until 2016 and she's 68. It's either now or 2012 for her.
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.....which means there's no way in hell she'll be helping Obama win the election any time soon.
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Hilary isn't bowing out gracefully by any means. Drudge is reporting she just made another "loan" to her campaign:
**DRUDGE EXCLUSIVE 8:59 EM ET**: Senator Clinton has made another multi-million dollar loan to her campaign. She gave $6.4M in the past month and will be giving more... Developing...
The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if she crashed McCain's Inauguration ceremony.
that is insane and self-obsessed, even for the clintons. this thing is over. she's finished.
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that is insane and self-obsessed, even for the clintons. this thing is over. she's finished.
....but it is fun watching liberals waste money.
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that is insane and self-obsessed, even for the clintons. this thing is over. she's finished.
....but it is fun watching liberals waste money.
this is bad for the dems. very bad, indeed. he is going to be the nominee, no two ways about it, and she is
going to drag him through KY and WVA and probably beat him by 15 points or more in both states. the first
rule about being "the presumptive nominee" of a political party is to NOT immediately get your ass kicked by
the person you just beat. this is going to happen next week, for heaven's sake.
this is going to look awful for the dems. and the MSM will cover it breathlessly, since they just can't resist
the horserace angle.
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I agree.
She's 60 yrs old. She can't wait until 2016 and she's 68. It's either now or 2012 for her.
.....which means there's no way in hell she'll be helping Obama win the election any time soon.
Desperation time, baby. Now they either throw the kitchen sink at him or she's out.
It's more than just the loss ...... it's to a stinkin' rookie .... who's black. This will not sit well with her. Not something they'll like at all.
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So when does she pull the Harding option?
Are FL and MI coming into play? If she pushes, will it matter?
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I agree.
She's 60 yrs old. She can't wait until 2016 and she's 68. It's either now or 2012 for her.
.....which means there's no way in hell she'll be helping Obama win the election any time soon.
Desperation time, baby. Now they either throw the kitchen sink at him or she's out.
It's more than just the loss ...... it's to a stinkin' rookie .... who's black. This will not sit well with her. Not something they'll like at all.
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they already did that. in indiana and NC. they won IN by 2%, and got blown out in NC.
what is left to throw?
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Well she tried throwing Bubba out there but that didn't work either. She also put Chelesa and her own mother out there.
Toasty legs!!! ;-)
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Toasty legs!!! ;-)
Tide turning!! :bouncy: :-)
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Hilary isn't bowing out gracefully by any means. Drudge is reporting she just made another "loan" to her campaign:
**DRUDGE EXCLUSIVE 8:59 EM ET**: Senator Clinton has made another multi-million dollar loan to her campaign. She gave $6.4M in the past month and will be giving more... Developing...
The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if she crashed McCain's Inauguration ceremony.
Of course, what makes this all the more delicious is that her money must be drying up. She will not only have lost the nomination, she will have lost tons of money. She will wind up broke and alone.
The MSM response is sort of a bellwether. The rats are heading for the lifeboats. She might have won the remaining states two weeks ago. As day chases day, Dems will be moving toward Obama. He does win elections, and he does his best for the party as well.
The realization that the Clintons have always been an albatross around the neck of the party may be coming late, but it is coming.
And there is the realization that there is nothing else to do to Obama. They have thrown everything they had at him, and he kept coming through. He is now immune to whatever they have
Bubba was all over North Carolina. She lost North Carolina. There may be a causal relationship in that, and there may not.
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So when does she pull the Harding option?
Are FL and MI coming into play? If she pushes, will it matter?
FL and MI only mattered if she could win IN big. she was never going to catch up in delegates, the most she could hope for
was to destroy the party's confidence in obama by beating him convincingly in every state that he was beatable, and throw the
convention into confusion with, say, a popular vote argument. IN was a required part of that argument. after that she
needed huge wins in WVA and KY. after THAT, then FL and MI came into play.
she couldn't afford to miss one of those states along the way. everything depended on a big win in IN. when that turned
into a 2% squeaker, her entire house of cards collapsed.
of course, the only person that doesn't understand all of that appears to be her. :-)
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So when does she pull the Harding option?
Are FL and MI coming into play? If she pushes, will it matter?
FL and MI only mattered if she could win IN big. she was never going to catch up in delegates, the most she could hope for
was to destroy the party's confidence in obama by beating him convincingly in every state that he was beatable, and throw the
convention into confusion with, say, a popular vote argument. IN was a required part of that argument. after that she
needed huge wins in WVA and KY. after THAT, then FL and MI came into play.
she couldn't afford to miss one of those states along the way. everything depended on a big win in IN. when that turned
into a 2% squeaker, her entire house of cards collapsed.
of course, the only person that doesn't understand all of that appears to be her. :-)
OMG IM DIE! :-)
Keep spending Dems. We love to see the lining of your pockets come June.
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Well she tried throwing Bubba out there but that didn't work either. She also put Chelesa and her own mother out there.
Toasty legs!!! ;-)
bubba blew it. (no pun intended)
he has been a distraction since SC. any use that he may have served in getting her votes on the campaign trail
was undone 100 times over everytime he said something dumb/controversial (which was virtually every time he
opened his mouth) and became the story himself. he knocked her off her message numerous times. and all because
he is such a deeply flawed, emotionally needy, attention mongering, pathetic little man.
she would have been better off without him. after this, even the core of the dem party has clinton fatigue.
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they already did that. in indiana and NC. they won IN by 2%, and got blown out in NC.
what is left to throw?
We'll just sit back and watch, but it's the Clintons. There's always something else to throw.
Question is are the party leaders telling her to quit throwing stuff, and if so, is she willing to listen.
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they already did that. in indiana and NC. they won IN by 2%, and got blown out in NC.
what is left to throw?
We'll just sit back and watch, but it's the Clintons. There's always something else to throw.
Question is are the party leaders telling her to quit throwing stuff, and if so, is she willing to listen.
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maybe, maaaaaaaayybeeeeeeee she could try the "winning the nomination with 92% of the black vote, but losing
65% of the white vote, is a losing strategy in the general". it's sounds like a valid argument, but ultimately isn't.
and it's brazenly racial. I would think that even the clintons aren't that shameless, but they have surprised me before.
I would be surprised if harold dean* ( :-)) isn't using every intermediary that he can find to convince her to get out of
the race this morning.
*hat tip to frank
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so NOW will she "campaign her heart out" for the Barackstar!?
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so NOW will she "campaign her heart out" for the Barackstar!?
it's a very small heart. made of flint. :-)
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so NOW will she "campaign her heart out" for the Barackstar!?
...and ruin her chances for 2012? Not a chance. If he wins he'll be the incumbent for the '12 election.
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maybe, maaaaaaaayybeeeeeeee she could try the "winning the nomination with 92% of the black vote, but losing
65% of the white vote, is a losing strategy in the general". it's sounds like a valid argument, but ultimately isn't.
and it's brazenly racial. I would think that even the clintons aren't that shameless, but they have surprised me before.
I would be surprised if harold dean* ( :-)) isn't using every intermediary that he can find to convince her to get out of
the race this morning.
*hat tip to frank
I was thinking more along the lines of Hussein Osama paying a visit to Vince Fosterland, so let's not give up so easily. :-)
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there is a rural county that will run strong for hillary, union county, that is still 100% out. but there probably aren't 5K votes in the whole county; the adjacent counties each report in at 100%, but have 3K and 4K total votes. I assume union county will be similar.
LOL! I followed up on union county this morning, just because it made me curious that it was still out at 3AM. with 100% reporting, hillary carried union county 803-307 votes. it was definitely NOT a game changer. :whatever: :-)
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Indiana exit polls (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#INDEM)
NC exit polls (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NCDEM)
no surprises, but these things fascinate me. hillary supporters really don't care for Baroque Obama in NC.
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bubba blew it. (no pun intended)
he has been a distraction since SC. any use that he may have served in getting her votes on the campaign trail
was undone 100 times over everytime he said something dumb/controversial (which was virtually every time he
opened his mouth) and became the story himself. he knocked her off her message numerous times. and all because
he is such a deeply flawed, emotionally needy, attention mongering, pathetic little man.
she would have been better off without him. after this, even the core of the dem party has clinton fatigue.
Agreed, Bill was a a downside to the campaign. I think the problem with the Clintons is they haven't moved out of the 90s. They think they can lie with ease and not get caught, i.e. Sniper-gate. They haven't gotten used to the 24-hr news cycle, YouTube & Google of today.
Also they assumed that the democratic party would just fall in line with them, since by god they're the freaking Clintons you must want to follow them. Obama came along and is ruining it for her. It was "her turn" and that's exactly how she campaigned. Obama not only was able to run as a non-Clinton & non-DLC but he's been amazing in the amount of support that he's gotten. He has over 1.5 million donors to his campaign, averaging $109 donations. The Clintons were depending on the big donors and frankly they're tapped out and they're not getting any "new" donors.
Also, the strategy of having this over with Super Tuesday was a bust. She couldn't pull it off. She also had a bad strategy in Iowa which didn't help. They had no plan for after Super Tuesday. None. They didn't even realize that Texas was a primary & caucus until, what about 3 or 4 weeks beforehand. That's ridiculous and shows exactly what Hillary was expecting. They never worked to build up the grassroots, and then even demeaned the more activist democrats by saying basically these small states and caucus don't count.
She thought she had this in the bag and didn't think anyone could derail it and had no plan for Obama once he started off strong. Or at least not a good plan.
Her kitchen sink strategy didn't work and that's why Hillary's toast.
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Go HIllary! :fuelfire:
Gotta love it when the democratic party self-destructs... :evillaugh:
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And the first senator tells HIllary to throw in the towel...Senator McGovern from S.Dakota...
I expect more to follow :-)
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Hillary responds -
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/kademan/1hcb002.jpg)
:rotf:
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she announced this afternoon that she is staying in it.
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she announced this afternoon that she is staying in it.
Straight from the horse's mouth, eh? Good, let the circus continue.
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they already did that. in indiana and NC. they won IN by 2%, and got blown out in NC.
what is left to throw?
We'll just sit back and watch, but it's the Clintons. There's always something else to throw.
Question is are the party leaders telling her to quit throwing stuff, and if so, is she willing to listen.
.
maybe, maaaaaaaayybeeeeeeee she could try the "winning the nomination with 92% of the black vote, but losing
65% of the white vote, is a losing strategy in the general". it's sounds like a valid argument, but ultimately isn't.
and it's brazenly racial. I would think that even the clintons aren't that shameless, but they have surprised me before.
I would be surprised if harold dean* ( :-)) isn't using every intermediary that he can find to convince her to get out of
the race this morning.
*hat tip to frank
I am psychic. :-)