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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #150 on: May 06, 2008, 08:59:45 PM »

even a squeaker win for hillary ruins her strategy.  a big win in IN was her bridge to KY and WV.  big wins there created a case for her to argue that FL (and possibly MI) should be seated at the convention.

and all of those things had to fall into place for her, and in that order.  the entire house of cards could be tumbling down tonight.

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #151 on: May 06, 2008, 09:01:52 PM »
81% of Indiana now in.

Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #152 on: May 06, 2008, 09:03:01 PM »

even a squeaker win for hillary ruins her strategy.  a big win in IN was her bridge to KY and WV.  big wins there created a case for her to argue that FL (and possibly MI) should be seated at the convention.

and all of those things had to fall into place for her, and in that order.  the entire house of cards could be tumbling down tonight.

I've noticed she had a pretty good jump in numbers in N.C. though.  Does anyone know where we can see totals for the entire country so far, in terms of popular vote?
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #153 on: May 06, 2008, 09:03:36 PM »
65% of North Carolina now in.

Clinton 42%
Obama 56%
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #154 on: May 06, 2008, 09:04:50 PM »

michael barone just said that if obama wins lake county by 60-40 or better, he could pull out the win.  he won by that margin or better in marion, hamilton, and is doing it in monroe county (only 23% in). 


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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #155 on: May 06, 2008, 09:05:24 PM »
82% of Indiana now in.

Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #156 on: May 06, 2008, 09:07:45 PM »

her lead just jumped back to slightly over 40K.  still . . . .

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #157 on: May 06, 2008, 09:10:53 PM »
69% of North Carolina now in.

Clinton 42%
Obama 56%

Why is North Carolina only 98% and not 100%?
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #158 on: May 06, 2008, 09:11:19 PM »

the dodgers are underway against the mets.  my attention will probably wander . . .  :-)

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #159 on: May 06, 2008, 09:12:13 PM »
69% of North Carolina now in.

Clinton 42%
Obama 56%

Why is North Carolina only 98% and not 100%?

edwards supporters, I would think.  it is his state.  and people who voted for mickey mouse or buggs bunny.

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #160 on: May 06, 2008, 09:12:28 PM »

the dodgers are underway against the mets.  my attention will probably wander . . .  :-)

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #161 on: May 06, 2008, 09:14:34 PM »

the dodgers are underway against the mets.  my attention will probably wander . . .  :-)

Dodgers suck. ...and yes, I do expect a bitch-slap.  :-)

not after that pitch.  1-0 mets.  that ball should enter earth orbit in a few seconds.  your sense of timing is eerie .

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #162 on: May 06, 2008, 09:15:11 PM »

(it wasn't me.  seriously. :-) )


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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #163 on: May 06, 2008, 09:21:31 PM »
Well, Hell.

Drudge isn't updating as much any more, and I'm beat.

I'm going to say Messalina Agrippina loses one percentage point in Indiana, and gains one percentage point in North Carolina when this is all over.
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #164 on: May 06, 2008, 09:22:38 PM »

okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary.  I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #165 on: May 06, 2008, 09:33:58 PM »

okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary.  I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:

John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN.  They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST


Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her.  If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #166 on: May 06, 2008, 09:39:00 PM »

okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary.  I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:

John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN.  They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST


Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her.  If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.

indiana is looking more and more lost for hillary.  and I also think that this is probably it for her tonight, even if the squeaks out a win.

 

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #167 on: May 06, 2008, 09:44:57 PM »

okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary.  I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:

John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN.  They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST


Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her.  If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.

indiana is looking more and more lost for hillary.  and I also think that this is probably it for her tonight, even if the squeaks out a win.

 

Even if it holds at a 4% win for Hillary it's a huge loss.

But according to DU (I'm not watching her speech) she's "full speed ahead to the White House." 

Mathematically there's no way for her to overtake Obama in pledged delegates. 
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #168 on: May 06, 2008, 09:54:11 PM »

okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary.  I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:

John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN.  They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST


Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her.  If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.

indiana is looking more and more lost for hillary.  and I also think that this is probably it for her tonight, even if the squeaks out a win.

 

Even if it holds at a 4% win for Hillary it's a huge loss.

But according to DU (I'm not watching her speech) she's "full speed ahead to the White House." 

Mathematically there's no way for her to overtake Obama in pledged delegates. 

catching him really wasn't a realistic goal.  just preventing him from clinching the nomination before they got to the convention was the only realistic goal.  then you can work on FL and MI, and twist the arms of the SDs.  it was a long shot to begin with, but I think it is falling apart tonight.

and don't think for a second that the SD were invented for anything other than utterly anti-democratic reasons.  they exist so the party elders could stop the silly and easily influenced public from nominating an unelectable candidate.  all of this blathering about how the SDs should vote 'the will of the primary victor' is just hypocritical.

but I agree with you. she is toast after tonight.  I said that a pretty good ways upstream in this thread already.


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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #169 on: May 06, 2008, 09:56:06 PM »
Her speech is awful.  Who are these people that love her so much, they're chanting her name.  They make me want to vomit.



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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #170 on: May 06, 2008, 09:57:07 PM »

okay, it looks like lake county is waiting to see how many votes obama needs to win the primary.  I would never think that about a county so close to chicago, mind you, being such a squeaky honest part of the country and all. :whatever:

John King on CNN says Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win IN.  They're counting absentee votes so it maybe 11pm-12am EST


Also, even a close win for Hillary at this point ruins her whole current play book and only looks worse for her.  If she had managed to win both states tonight she would have had a much stronger point to the super delegates.

indiana is looking more and more lost for hillary.  and I also think that this is probably it for her tonight, even if the squeaks out a win.

 

Even if it holds at a 4% win for Hillary it's a huge loss.

But according to DU (I'm not watching her speech) she's "full speed ahead to the White House." 

Mathematically there's no way for her to overtake Obama in pledged delegates. 

catching him really wasn't a realistic goal.  just preventing him from clinching the nomination before they got to the convention was the only realistic goal.  then you can work on FL and MI, and twist the arms of the SDs.  it was a long shot to begin with, but I think it is falling apart tonight.

and don't think for a second that the SD were invented for anything other than utterly anti-democratic reasons.  they exist so the party elders could stop the silly and easily influenced public from nominating an unelectable candidate.  all of this blathering about how the SDs should vote 'the will of the primary victor' is just hypocritical.

but I agree with you. she is toast after tonight.  I said that a pretty good ways upstream in this thread already.



Yeah, I totally didn't read this whole thread.  It was long before I got here.   :-)


Her speech is awful.  Who are these people that love her so much, they're chanting her name.  They make me want to vomit.





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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #171 on: May 06, 2008, 09:57:23 PM »

in 2000, the population of lake county was 485,000.  I guess there could be 40K more votes for obama than for hillary there.



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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #172 on: May 06, 2008, 09:59:05 PM »

in 2000, the population of lake county was 485,000.  I guess there could be 40K more votes for obama than for hillary there.




If what that dude said was right, that Obama only needs 57% of Lake County to win, then it's a definite possibility that Obama will win. 
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #173 on: May 06, 2008, 10:04:40 PM »
Her speech is awful.  Who are these people that love her so much, they're chanting her name.  They make me want to vomit.

I actually work with a Hillary supporter. Yes, it is tough not to deck her every so often.

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #174 on: May 06, 2008, 10:06:27 PM »
Her speech is awful.  Who are these people that love her so much, they're chanting her name.  They make me want to vomit.

I actually work with a Hillary supporter. Yes, it is tough not to deck her every so often.

Oh, thankfully I don't know any Hillary supporters in real life.  I know lots of Obama supporters and republicans that will grudgingly support McCain, but no Hillary people. 
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