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Lesbian couple asked to reverse shirt at Dollywood
By Associated Press
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - Added 6 minutes ago
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A lesbian couple is asking for changes at Dollywood after an employee asked one of the women to turn her T-shirt reading "marriage is so gay" inside-out to avoid offending others on a recent visit to the Tennessee theme park complex.
Olivier Odom and Jennifer Tipton said Tuesday they want the park to be more inclusive of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender families after Odom was asked to reverse her shirt when they visited Dollywood Splash Country next to the Pigeon Forge amusement park. The story was first reported by WBIR-TV in Knoxville.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20110726lesbian_couple_asked_to_reverse_shirt_at_dollywood/srvc=home&position=recent
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I thought you weren't allowed to say, "That's so gay..." Wanda Sykes said we should knock it off.
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It is a tasteless shirt that may offend some people, especially people who would patron Dollywood.
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It is a tasteless shirt that may offend some people, especially people who would patron Dollywood.
That is exactly what I am thinking.
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I agree that the shirt is tasteless, but come on. We live in America. We have freedom of speech. That's like saying you can't wear a Cardinals jersey in Cincinnati or a Yankee jersey in Boston, or a Jesus Didn't Tap shirt anywhere. It's only offensive if you let it be.
The Sykes reference is hilarious though. It is hypocritical.
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I agree that the shirt is tasteless, but come on. We live in America. We have freedom of speech. That's like saying you can't wear a Cardinals jersey in Cincinnati or a Yankee jersey in Boston, or a Jesus Didn't Tap shirt anywhere. It's only offensive if you let it be.
The Sykes reference is hilarious though. It is hypocritical.
The government was not doing the censoring, it was private property. Feel free to wear a Yankee shirt in Boston to go bar hopping.
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Being the t-shirt was so provocative, I have to wonder if they really went there to enjoy the day at an amusement park or if they actually wanted to provoke something.
I think they wanted to provoke.
Any business has the right to protect whatever image it wants to project.
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I agree that the shirt is tasteless, but come on. We live in America. We have freedom of speech. That's like saying you can't wear a Cardinals jersey in Cincinnati or a Yankee jersey in Boston, or a Jesus Didn't Tap shirt anywhere. It's only offensive if you let it be.
The Sykes reference is hilarious though. It is hypocritical.
Don't ever wear a Yankee's jersey in Boston. You check your Constitutional rights with Yankee loving crap at the CT border. :censored:
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The government was not doing the censoring, it was private property. Feel free to wear a Yankee shirt in Boston to go bar hopping.
Agreed.
They never said they had to leave, just asked them to reverse the shirt. The shirt has no rights that I am aware of.
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I agree that the shirt is tasteless, but come on. We live in America. We have freedom of speech. That's like saying you can't wear a Cardinals jersey in Cincinnati or a Yankee jersey in Boston, or a Jesus Didn't Tap shirt anywhere. It's only offensive if you let it be.
The Sykes reference is hilarious though. It is hypocritical.
Hey man, this is only as offensive as you want it to be...
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Agreed.
They never said they had to leave, just asked them to reverse the shirt. The shirt has no rights that I am aware of.
You may be completely right, but I am confused. I thought freedom of speech extended to things like shirts as long as the government didn't deem them offensive. I remember the Maplethorpe art display coming to Cincy and people tried to get it banned (20yrs ago?), but couldn't. I think it was under freedom of speech that they won. The art museum that showed it was a publicly funded art museum.
I also thought that any private company could not discriminate. I am not a lawyer, but I have watched blacks win court rulings to get into private golf clubs, ect.....That's why I thought that this would end up in a court battle.
Like I said, I don't know the law as much as others, but if I wear a Reds shirt to a bar in St. Louis and get kicked out because of that only, I think that is a bit much.
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Hey man, this is only as offensive as you want it to be...
:bigbird:
Agreed. And I laughed. Not offended at all.
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I also thought that any private company could not discriminate. I am not a lawyer, but I have watched blacks win court rulings to get into private golf clubs, ect.....That's why I thought that this would end up in a court battle.
Dress codes are allowed to be established and enforced.
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Dress codes are allowed to be established and enforced.
Just a question, because I can see this turning ugly. Does Dollywood have an anti-gay policy? If so, and its legal, then I agree they should be kicked out or turn their shirt inside out. If not......what is legal and what's not?
All I see is a costly court battle that isn't good for business. They should have claimed another reason to kick them out or just had "plain clothed" employees advise them that it wouldn't be good to keep the shirt on.
I agree that Dollywood should be able to do what they want, but gays are a protected catagory. This will cost someone.
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This will cost someone.
And that is exactly why they did it. Maybe Dollywood will get a sympathetic jury/judge. I wonder what the response would be if some guy walked into a lesbo bar wearing something like this.
(http://fredmasey.org/fmcom/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/boy-running-to-dikehole1.jpg)
I'm here to plug the dikes.
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And that is exactly why they did it. Maybe Dollywood will get a sympathetic jury/judge. I wonder what the response would be if some guy walked into a lesbo bar wearing something like this.
(http://fredmasey.org/fmcom/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/boy-running-to-dikehole1.jpg)
I'm here to plug the dikes.
I would hope the lesbian community would be inclusive of heterosexual males with an adolescent sense of humor.
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And that is exactly why they did it. Maybe Dollywood will get a sympathetic jury/judge. I wonder what the response would be if some guy walked into a lesbo bar wearing something like this.
(http://fredmasey.org/fmcom/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/boy-running-to-dikehole1.jpg)
I'm here to plug the dikes.
Snort!^! :lmao:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiCoUPYzZT4[/youtube]
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Hold up. I thought this was about a lesbian couple.
Wait. That dude on the right is a woman???
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yes she is......
I know two ladies that are a lesbian couple, very nice couple. Kris, looks like a guy and her wife, Liberty is very girly girl , I thought Kris was a guy for the longest time.
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Wow talk about biting the hand that feeds you...
Dolly Parton has always being strong in the LGBT field... Someone needs to clue these two munchers into the 411 that Dolly created that little amusement park to create jobs for hillfolk, and that Dolly has always been very gracious to teh gais...
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Sometimes I feel like they have to "announce" that they're gay, when it's quite obvious...."woohoo, look at me, I'm gay, I'm gay"... I don't get it. Who cares? Do your thing, but don't throw it in my face. mkay?
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"I'm here to plug the dikes".... :lmao: ...that's a good'un.
Those two should be wearing "I'm so ugly" T-shirts.
"I'm so ugly no man would have me."
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I would hope the lesbian community would be inclusive of heterosexual males with an adolescent sense of humor.
They are Duke, some, not all, have one heck of a sense of humor, these are the gals that have little mental problems about who or what they are.
Seems to me that the most stable people I know be they straight or bent are those that have no problem with themselves or others.
Polish jokes, Italian jokes, Black jokes, Irish jokes only offend the the outsiders, as they may in fact cause concern that the jokes may turn on them.
What offends people is way too often a sign of who and what they themselves are.
The bent couple were obviously looking for a reaction from the shirt one of them wore. So they got what they expected, turned the shirt inside out and went on to have a fun day.
This was not the deal in LA. where the man was beaten half to death for wearing the wrong shirt to the Dodgers game.
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And that is exactly why they did it. Maybe Dollywood will get a sympathetic jury/judge. I wonder what the response would be if some guy walked into a lesbo bar wearing something like this.
(http://fredmasey.org/fmcom/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/boy-running-to-dikehole1.jpg)
I'm here to plug the dikes.
Oh those hypocritical muff divers would be all up in arms and marching. :lmao:
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Just a question, because I can see this turning ugly. Does Dollywood have an anti-gay policy? If so, and its legal, then I agree they should be kicked out or turn their shirt inside out. If not......what is legal and what's not?
All I see is a costly court battle that isn't good for business. They should have claimed another reason to kick them out or just had "plain clothed" employees advise them that it wouldn't be good to keep the shirt on.
I agree that Dollywood should be able to do what they want, but gays are a protected catagory. This will cost someone.
I am not going to speak for them, but I would imagine they would ask any type of offensive shirt to be reversed or not worn in their park. Just because this shirt is pro-gay, doesn't necessarily give it protection. The couple was not asked to leave. The shirt was not welcome. They can't separate the two for some reason.
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Wow talk about biting the hand that feeds you...
Dolly Parton has always being strong in the LGBT field... Someone needs to clue these two munchers into the 411 that Dolly created that little amusement park to create jobs for hillfolk, and that Dolly has always been very gracious to teh gais...
Hillfolk?
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Oh those hypocritical muff divers would be all up in arms and marching. :lmao:
ERRRRR Gina, fortunately for me the only Muff divers I have ever been with were men.
Still looking for one that uses a snorkel -----Dive deeper, stay longer. Parascope up!!!!!
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ERRRRR Gina, fortunately for me the only Muff divers I have ever been with were men.
Still looking for one that uses a snorkel -----Dive deeper, stay longer. Parascope up!!!!!
:panic: :panic: :panic: :panic: OMG! BLEACH!!!!!! :panic: :panic: :panic: :panic:
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Dollywood is yet another tourist trap in the Pigeon Forge area of East Tennessee.
I didn't know that Dolly P. is a ghey aficionado, so it would make sense not having a policy that EXCLUDED them from D-wood.
On the other hand, Dolly has to be mindful of the great majority of customers she gets who spend the money that lines her coffers and their sensitivities. Most of 'em are families draggin' kids and whatnot to the festivities.
What's she's essentially saying is, "It's my property, so I can set whatever policy I want. Now, I happen to appreciate the rugmunchers and cornholers on a political basis, but where and when money is involved, they're welcome just like everybody else -- just keep your/my opinion private, please."
Reverse the friggin' T-shirt fer Chrissakes. You don't wanna do that? GTFO.
Real simple.
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Wow talk about biting the hand that feeds you...
Dolly Parton has always being strong in the LGBT field... Someone needs to clue these two munchers into the 411 that Dolly created that little amusement park to create jobs for hillfolk, and that Dolly has always been very gracious to teh gais...
Being gracious to "teh gais" is one thing, keeping the paying people coming in to the family themed park is another story. Considering there are more of the family themed park paying people than there are activist homosexuals would tend to limit what a "couple" can do inside the gate.
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You may be completely right, but I am confused. I thought freedom of speech extended to things like shirts as long as the government didn't deem them offensive. I remember the Maplethorpe art display coming to Cincy and people tried to get it banned (20yrs ago?), but couldn't. I think it was under freedom of speech that they won. The art museum that showed it was a publicly funded art museum.
I believe you may be getting limits on Congress to pass laws against freedom of speech, freedom of religion, right to peaceably assemble, right of redress with rights of private property.
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doesn't seem to bother her
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlZkvC5J_9w[/youtube]
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HI5 to Vesta for making Gina wretch.
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HI5 to Vesta for making Gina wretch.
A wretched retcher? :rotf:
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So if I wore a shirt that said, "Will convert you from lesbianism, while U wait" they'd be OK with that?
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ERRRRR Gina, fortunately for me the only Muff divers I have ever been with were men.
Still looking for one that uses a snorkel -----Dive deeper, stay longer. Parascope up!!!!!
Holy shit, Vesta! :rotf: :rotf:
Now I'm gonna be looking over my shoulder all day for strange men carrying periscopes.
Oh, and HI5 for freaking out Tinker Twat. :cheersmate:
C'mon, Gina, you know we all luv ya! :naughty: :-)
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HI5 for "Tinker Twat".
:rofl:
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Sometimes I feel like they have to "announce" that they're gay, when it's quite obvious...."woohoo, look at me, I'm gay, I'm gay"... I don't get it. Who cares? Do your thing, but don't throw it in my face. mkay?
I guarantee you they're liberals. Liberals like to throw everything up in everyone's face and a lot of that mindset is why so many people are hostile to the gay community. If they'd just live their lives, no one would give a ****. I'm not saying in the closet, because, as you say, many times it's obvious, but what makes people think other people really care? Take a gay pride parade. If the intent is to be treated as equal and normal, why in the hell are they some of the most vile and disgusting events ever held in any given city? Straight people certainly don't view Mardi Gras as "the norm". When MLK and his followers were marching they were well-dressed, well-mannered, didn't cause a ruckus, and all that was left to the racists was MLK and his followers race. There was nothing else the racists could attack them on. I think we all know gay people, either as friends, co-workers, neighbors, etc., and none of'em walk around casually with assless chaps, pink boas, etc. They're dress business casual, sometimes in suits, shorts and a Polo after work, and about as normal as one could get. If someone wants to be perceived and accepted as normal, the last thing you want to do is act as abnormal as possible.
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Case in point, Tammy Bruce. She's a lesbian. Everyone knows she's a lesbian. She doesn't hide the fact that she's a lesbian. ...and I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.
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Dollywood and Disney Parks all have dress codes posted on their websites....and most likely at the park entrances or the ticket kiosks.
They both say no "offensive" tshirts.
"Offensive" is a very ambiguous ....it's all in the eye of the beholder and if park officials are receiving complaints, they are going to say something to the person wearing the shirt.
Have to wonder if they weren't just trying to be shit-disturbers, and what else they were doing when she was asked to turn her shirt inside out.
And who actually did the complaining. I happen to know a gay couple, with kids, who would object to the tshirt. I don't know if either one of them would actually complain, but they don't flaunt their lifestyle any more than M and I do as an unmarried hetero couple.
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Like they need a shirt to tell everyone they're lesbos.
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Holy shit, Vesta! :rotf: :rotf:
Now I'm gonna be looking over my shoulder all day for strange men carrying periscopes.
Oh, and HI5 for freaking out Tinker Twat. :cheersmate:
C'mon, Gina, you know we all luv ya! :naughty: :-)
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I believe you may be getting limits on Congress to pass laws against freedom of speech, freedom of religion, right to peaceably assemble, right of redress with rights of private property.
I probably am, but I live in Ohio. Here, the government has made laws where people can't smoke on public or private business property. I say "on" because it doesn't matter if it is outdoors or indoors. Actually you can't smoke in a bar because it's closed in and people will get second hand smoke. They said you had to be so many feet away. Well, once bars built areas for them, they said that wasn't good enough because it had to have a roof. WTF? There used to be a smoking section at the Reds stadium. It is no longer allowed.
I know that isn't the same as a t-shirt, but you can see my confusion with private property rights.
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Like they need a shirt to tell everyone they're lesbos.
Without that shirt, had I passed by them on the street, I would've thought they were a straight couple.
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I hate when people try to piss others off with their obviously inappropriate tshirt sayings. I saw a guy at the airport with the f word written HUGE on his shirt. I wish a security guard would have made him change. I hate censorship but I also hate people who are attention whores like this. I wouldn't have cared about the shirt she had on but that doesn't mean that a business can't say something about it.
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It is a tasteless shirt that may offend some people, especially people who would patron Dollywood.
Yes, exactly. So, gays can say the word gay, but straight people may not? Guess what? :bird:
I can see why they are lesbos. They both are butt ugly and look like men. :hyper:
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I hate when people try to piss others off with their obviously inappropriate tshirt sayings. I saw a guy at the airport with the f word written HUGE on his shirt. I wish a security guard would have made him change. I hate censorship but I also hate people who are attention whores like this. I wouldn't have cared about the shirt she had on but that doesn't mean that a business can't say something about it.
What we're talking about isn't so much freedom of speech, it's rather a complete lack of decorum and decency. Of course these things can't and shouldn't be defined by government, but they should be defined and enforced by involved parents.
This is merely another indication of the disintegration of the family as a viable unit. Families teach values such as decorum and decency and we see examples of the lack of same in these wack jobs such as you've seen at the airport. They're offensive, but they hide behind the cloak of free speech.
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I saw a woman once wearing a VERY nasty sloganed T-shirt, the most vulgar I've ever had the displeasure of encountering. She was a lesbian. The whole world had their faces rubbed in that fact because her shirt said something like I'd rather be licking c**t. :puke:
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Hillfolk?
Yeah bad choice of words on my part...
I respect dolly a lot. She grew up in an area with real poverty <not "I have a cellphone and a ps3, but im poor" poverty> and used her fame and $$$ to open that park to create opportunities...
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Yeah bad choice of words on my part...
I respect dolly a lot. She grew up in an area with real poverty <not "I have a cellphone and a ps3, but im poor" poverty> and used her fame and $$$ to open that park to create opportunities...
Because Dolly wanted to bring a "future" into Sevier County...which prior to Dolly's incredible vision, it's biggest source of income was marijuana and moonshine....Sevier County has turned into a major tourist destination. It is second to Las Vegas for destination weddings, and has brought a tremendous amount of tax dollars into the entire county. She bought a run-down amusement park, totally re-vamped it (it has been expanded numerous times since), and it became one of those situations of "build it and they will come". What was a little tourist spot on the edge of the Smokies has become a thriving county even in these depressed times. Granted a lot of the "natives" have felt inundated by tourists and do a lot of complaining about the traffic, but no one is complaining about the jobs, the money going back into the community to benefit the schools, infrastructure, and city/county workers (police, fire, and EMT in particular).
What is rarely mentioned about Dolly, is her Imagination Library, which is a non-profit early childhood literacy program she started in Sevier County, spread throughout the US and is now in Canada and the UK. New parents can join when their babies are born, or parents with children up to age 5, and the child is sent a new age appropriate book every month. It is a wonderful program, my daughter was given the information to participate, when she was in the hospital having my grandson. My oldest will be dropping out of the program in Dec when he turns 5, but my granddaughter has another 3 years in it. The books are great. http://www.imaginationlibrary.com/usa/howworks.php
Dolly may be "hillfolk", but she's quite proud of being "hillfolk" and she's one smart lady.
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I hate when people try to piss others off with their obviously inappropriate tshirt sayings. I saw a guy at the airport with the f word written HUGE on his shirt. I wish a security guard would have made him change. I hate censorship but I also hate people who are attention whores like this. I wouldn't have cared about the shirt she had on but that doesn't mean that a business can't say something about it.
My sister wore a "**** OFF" t-shirt to the salon on my wedding day. I told her to take it off and wear something else. She told me, and I quote, "**** you" I told my mom the shirt was unacceptable and an embarrassment. My mom said something to the effect of, "oh it's fine." What the hell? I'd smack my child upside the head if she wore something like that out in public. We were at the salon for two hours. I really wish the salon employees would have told her to change her shirt. I just do not understand why people think it's okay to dress like that.
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My sister wore a "**** OFF" t-shirt to the salon on my wedding day. I told her to take it off and wear something else. She told me, and I quote, "**** you" I told my mom the shirt was unacceptable and an embarrassment. My mom said something to the effect of, "oh it's fine." What the hell? I'd smack my child upside the head if she wore something like that out in public. We were at the salon for two hours. I really wish the salon employees would have told her to change her shirt. I just do not understand why people think it's okay to dress like that.
I realize that what I am about to say is going to piss most of you off, but it has to be said. Why do you care what your sister wears? If the salon didn't kick her out, obviously they didn't care either. This is supposed to be a free country and the word offensive is so objective that there is no way to regulate it. I have been set straight that private business can do it. Doesn't sound to me like the salon cared, so why do you?
There is absolutely no reason to be embarrassed by what someone else does. If you didn't do it, get over yourself. You told her you didn't like it and even told your mommy on her (very mature BTW). If she is an adult in America then she can make her own decisions. Why do people always want to control the actions of others? If you don't like something either don't participate or just ignore it. It ain't rocket science.
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I realize that what I am about to say is going to piss most of you off, but it has to be said. Why do you care what your sister wears? If the salon didn't kick her out, obviously they didn't care either. This is supposed to be a free country and the word offensive is so objective that there is no way to regulate it. I have been set straight that private business can do it. Doesn't sound to me like the salon cared, so why do you?
There is absolutely no reason to be embarrassed by what someone else does. If you didn't do it, get over yourself. You told her you didn't like it and even told your mommy on her (very mature BTW). If she is an adult in America then she can make her own decisions. Why do people always want to control the actions of others? If you don't like something either don't participate or just ignore it. It ain't rocket science.
So, I'm assuming you have no problem with someone rolling next to a children's park on 22"s blaring "Pop that P***y" by 2 Live Crew? Seems like you're making the very case.
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So, I'm assuming you have no problem with someone rolling next to a children's park on 22"s blaring "Pop that P***y" by 2 Live Crew? Seems like you're making the very case.
I certainly wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't try to outlaw it or tell my mom either. I just don't get offended by what others do. If you tread on me, then I am going to have a problem. But someone wearing a shirt or playing music doesn't do that. We have got to stop this type of thinking.
There was a story Beck told about a chinese man walking past a bar (not even in the bar) and heard the song "Kung Fu Fighting". He said he was offended and sued. He won. I am going to spell the name of the place wrong but phenetically it sounds like White Island and I believe it is part of the UK. Google it if you want. This is what we are headed towards when everyone thinks they should tell everyone else how to "properly" behave. Relax and live people.
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Yeah bad choice of words on my part...
I respect dolly a lot. She grew up in an area with real poverty <not "I have a cellphone and a ps3, but im poor" poverty> and used her fame and $$$ to open that park to create opportunities...
"Hiilfolk" is not an insult.
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I certainly wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't try to outlaw it or tell my mom either. I just don't get offended by what others do. If you tread on me, then I am going to have a problem. But someone wearing a shirt or playing music doesn't do that. We have got to stop this type of thinking.
There was a story Beck told about a chinese man walking past a bar (not even in the bar) and heard the song "Kung Fu Fighting". He said he was offended and sued. He won. I am going to spell the name of the place wrong but phenetically it sounds like White Island and I believe it is part of the UK. Google it if you want. This is what we are headed towards when everyone thinks they should tell everyone else how to "properly" behave. Relax and live people.
With freedom comes responsibility. Some folks can't seem to handle either one very well.
There is a thing called common decency and it used to be the norm rather than the exception in our society. What you seem to be doing is making excuses for crass and boorish behavior. Neither should be tolerated in a polite and respectful society.
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With freedom comes responsibility. Some folks can't seem to handle either one very well.
There is a thing called common decency and it used to be the norm rather than the exception in our society. What you seem to be doing is making excuses for crass and boorish behavior. Neither should be tolerated in a polite and respectful society.
I can see your side of the debate. But look at the other side. I don't like screaming kids at restaurants, movies, the mall. I don't like it when someone brings a kid to a ball game and gets mad if someone cusses because of a bad play or bad call. If people are so sensitive about their children hearing a song or seeing a t-shirt, then they should alter their lives. Don't make everyone else change because you wanted to have a kid. That is your deal, not mine.
With that said, I do respect others. I am willing to bet that if someone walks up to a car blaring whatever song was referenced above, and asked them to not do that, they will discover that the people in the car didn't even know there was a "childrens" park there. Why do we need law officers to do what we can do on our own? Most people are not the asses others think they are. They are just too involved in themselves to think of someone else. That includes mothers. Because surely they would tell their kids to shut up if they knew it was ruining evereyone elses dinner.
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I can see your side of the debate. But look at the other side. I don't like screaming kids at restaurants, movies, the mall. I don't like it when someone brings a kid to a ball game and gets mad if someone cusses because of a bad play or bad call. If people are so sensitive about their children hearing a song or seeing a t-shirt, then they should alter their lives. Don't make everyone else change because you wanted to have a kid. That is your deal, not mine.
With that said, I do respect others. I am willing to bet that if someone walks up to a car blaring whatever song was referenced above, and asked them to not do that, they will discover that the people in the car didn't even know there was a "childrens" park there. Why do we need law officers to do what we can do on our own? Most people are not the asses others think they are. They are just too involved in themselves to think of someone else. That includes mothers. Because surely they would tell their kids to shut up if they knew it was ruining evereyone elses dinner.
I have tried that and was told to go F myself. People are becoming rude, crass, boorish and otherwise just plain self centered. Far too many of them have seem to have limited self-respect and therefore don't seem to have any respect for others either.
Many people are indeed the asses that others think they are and the percentage has grown drastically in my lifetime.
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What is rarely mentioned about Dolly, is her Imagination Library, which is a non-profit early childhood literacy program she started in Sevier County, spread throughout the US and is now in Canada and the UK. New parents can join when their babies are born, or parents with children up to age 5, and the child is sent a new age appropriate book every month. It is a wonderful program, my daughter was given the information to participate, when she was in the hospital having my grandson. My oldest will be dropping out of the program in Dec when he turns 5, but my granddaughter has another 3 years in it. The books are great. http://www.imaginationlibrary.com/usa/howworks.php
Dolly may be "hillfolk", but she's quite proud of being "hillfolk" and she's one smart lady.
I didn't know about her Imagination Library.. Thanks for letting me know that.... Its just another example of her 'just being a good person'....
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With freedom comes responsibility. Some folks can't seem to handle either one very well.
There is a thing called common decency and it used to be the norm rather than the exception in our society. What you seem to be doing is making excuses for crass and boorish behavior. Neither should be tolerated in a polite and respectful society.
People are becoming too jaded and tolerant of outrageous behavior. Lots of people in his neighborhood knew that Jeffrey Dahmer was a weirdo, but nobody did anything about it until it was too late. Same with the sickos that kidnapped Jaycee Dugard. Kitty Genovese.
Weirdos have to be called out for their weird behavior.
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I realize that what I am about to say is going to piss most of you off, but it has to be said. Why do you care what your sister wears? If the salon didn't kick her out, obviously they didn't care either. This is supposed to be a free country and the word offensive is so objective that there is no way to regulate it. I have been set straight that private business can do it. Doesn't sound to me like the salon cared, so why do you?
There is absolutely no reason to be embarrassed by what someone else does. If you didn't do it, get over yourself. You told her you didn't like it and even told your mommy on her (very mature BTW). If she is an adult in America then she can make her own decisions. Why do people always want to control the actions of others? If you don't like something either don't participate or just ignore it. It ain't rocket science.
Because it's white ****ing trash. That's why it pissed me off.
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Because it's white ****ing trash. That's why it pissed me off.
Thats cool. You are allowed to be pissed, but because you're pissed does that give you the right to change another person's behavior?
Let's look at this with a cool head.
1.Your sister had a shirt on that you didn't approve of.
2.You told her to change it. Not because it affected your life in any way, just because....
3.She stood her ground and said no. (which is an admirable trait)
4.You told your mommy
5.Your mom told her to change it
6.She still stood here ground and didn't change it (again, sticking by what you believe in is a good trait.)
7.You cave in to your beliefs and go to the salon anyway (cowardice)
8.No one at the salon cares, yet you are embarrassed by something you didn't do (low self-esteem)
9.Instead of sticking up for your original beliefs, you caved and then came to a computer to complain (very brave of you)
The bottom line is, if you believe in something, then stick with it. Dont wait for a law to be passed or someone else to do it for you. For goodness sake, stand up for yourself.
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People are becoming too jaded and tolerant of outrageous behavior. Lots of people in his neighborhood knew that Jeffrey Dahmer was a weirdo, but nobody did anything about it until it was too late. Same with the sickos that kidnapped Jaycee Dugard. Kitty Genovese.
Weirdos have to be called out for their weird behavior.
Exactly!! We are too complacent that someone else will do it for us. Get involved people!!!! Our country is going to sh*t and we are the reason.
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Exactly!! We are too complacent that someone else will do it for us. Get involved people!!!! Our country is going to sh*t and we are the reason.
This is 180 degrees out of phase with what you just told Evil Conservative.
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This is 180 degrees out of phase with what you just told Evil Conservative.
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How? If she would have stood her ground with her sister then her sister would have either changed the shirt or Evil Conservative wouldn't have went to the salon. Her sister called her bluff. She called her mom's bluff. Why? Probably because she already knows that EC and her mom are pushovers. Her sister (right or wrong) sounds like the strong mind in the family.
It's the same with every situation. People don't pay attention or don't care until it's too late. Once it's too late, you then have to be stronger than you would have needed to be earlier. All because no one gives a sh*t until they are directly involved.
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How? If she would have stood her ground with her sister then her sister would have either changed the shirt or Evil Conservative wouldn't have went to the salon. Her sister called her bluff. She called her mom's bluff. Why? Probably because she already knows that EC and her mom are pushovers. Her sister (right or wrong) sounds like the strong mind in the family.
It's the same with every situation. People don't pay attention or don't care until it's too late. Once it's too late, you then have to be stronger than you would have needed to be earlier. All because no one gives a sh*t until they are directly involved.
My mom and sister are both idiots most of the time. So I just tend to ignore the dumb stunts my sister pulls.
Please sweetheart, don't call me a pushover. You have no idea just how big of a bitch I can be. :)
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I still went to the salon that day because it was my wedding day. I did not walk down with my sister. She came in all by herself. She no longer was apart of my "party" that entire time we were at the salon.
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I'm thinking unbiased is very young. There is a need for decency in society. Being gay isn't indecent. Having a "**** You" T-Shirt, blaring 2 Live Crew through a neighborhood, or having "Marriage is gay" is indecent.
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I didn't know about her Imagination Library.. Thanks for letting me know that.... Its just another example of her 'just being a good person'....
You're welcome.
It's a fantastic program, and often the only way some children get books of their very own.
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"Hiilfolk" is not an insult.
I don't think so either but someone zeroed in that word from my original statement so i wanted to clarify
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I've lived in Tennessee for thirty years and never heard the term 'hillfolk'. I wouldn't take it as an insult.
I've never been to Dollywood either, so you can take that for what it's worth.
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I agree that the shirt is tasteless, but come on. We live in America. We have freedom of speech. That's like saying you can't wear a Cardinals jersey in Cincinnati or a Yankee jersey in Boston, or a Jesus Didn't Tap shirt anywhere. It's only offensive if you let it be.
The Sykes reference is hilarious though. It is hypocritical.
Huh...maybe you didn't hear, but Dollywood, as most amusement parks, are PRIVATE facilities.
Also, you might want to take a look at the First Amendment again. Something about, "Congress shall make no law..." and all that. I can't call my boss a ****tard and not expect to feel the wrath, nor can I take refuge and claim my 1A rights were violated when I get fired for it.
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Unbiased: that attitude is what will lead us to living in az world exactly like the one in the movie Idiocity. When decent people stop caring about indecent behaviour civilized society is over.
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If i was EC , I would have gone ballistic, if any of my wedding party showed up like that!! :censored: :censored:
#1 That was disrespectful to EC.
#2 Tacky , and obnoxious to say the very least.
#3 EC was between a rock and a hard place. Me, I would have uninvited her to the wedding, thrown her out of the wedding party. Sounds like sister has some jealousy(sibling rivalry) issues and Mum didn't have the bandwidth to stick up for EC(which she should have). I don't care how old she is, Ec's sister's behaviour was totally unacceptable.
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Unbiased: that attitude is what will lead us to living in az world exactly like the one in the movie Idiocity. When decent people stop caring about indecent behaviour civilized society is over.
...and how Fuddruckers evolves into Butt****ers.
I'm sorry, I hope anyone offended by that language has their censor filter on. :lmao:
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Thats cool. You are allowed to be pissed, but because you're pissed does that give you the right to change another person's behavior?
Let's look at this with a cool head.
1.Your sister had a shirt on that you didn't approve of.
2.You told her to change it. Not because it affected your life in any way, just because....
3.She stood her ground and said no. (which is an admirable trait)
4.You told your mommy
5.Your mom told her to change it
6.She still stood here ground and didn't change it (again, sticking by what you believe in is a good trait.)
7.You cave in to your beliefs and go to the salon anyway (cowardice)
8.No one at the salon cares, yet you are embarrassed by something you didn't do (low self-esteem)
9.Instead of sticking up for your original beliefs, you caved and then came to a computer to complain (very brave of you)
The bottom line is, if you believe in something, then stick with it. Dont wait for a law to be passed or someone else to do it for you. For goodness sake, stand up for yourself.
Newsflash, genius.
It was EC's wedding day, not the sister. IOW, like most liberals, it doesn't matter how degrading, demeaning, or deplorable their actions, they think it's ALL. ABOUT. THEM. Just like the carpet munchers. They don't like being called Lickalottapuss? Quit shoving it in people's faces. Don't like it when they're shunned? Dress appropriate for the venue or occasion. See? Wasn't that simple?
Personally, EC was more than gracious to even let the sister attend the wedding or reception at all. Were that a relative of mine, they'd have been kicked to the curb, family or no. Had they tried to show up, they would have been arrested. PERIOD.
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With freedom comes responsibility. Some folks can't seem to handle either one very well.
There is a thing called common decency and it used to be the norm rather than the exception in our society. What you seem to be doing is making excuses for crass and boorish behavior. Neither should be tolerated in a polite and respectful society.
absolute steel on target. We have an obligation to speak up when objectionable behavior insults us, particularly when those demonstrating that behavior are associated with us.
I may not be able to do anything about some snot-nosed punk kid with 14 bolts through his eyebrows, 27 rings in his nose, and 48 earrings circling what used to be an organ intended to hear with, but I sure as hell can express my outrage at his **** Off and Die t-shirt.
When the punk kid has done what I've done, seen what I've seen, and been where I've been, he might have an option -- but chances are, he's just a shithead looking for a place to take a dump.
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...and how Fuddruckers evolves into Butt****ers.
I'm sorry, I hope anyone offended by that language has their censor filter on. :lmao:
:rotf:
The first time I saw that movie was on Comedy Central. It was blurred out, I turn to my husband and said, "did that really say Butt****ers?" He said, "yes, yes it did."
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My mom said something to the effect of, "oh it's fine."
No it was "not" fine. Her mother did not tell her to change it. Rather than sticking up for EC, which she should have, she took the easier avenue, she didn't want to be put in the middle of what may of been a major fight, on her daughter's special day. That smacks of cowardice IMO
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I agree that the shirt is tasteless, but come on. We live in America. We have freedom of speech. That's like saying you can't wear a Cardinals jersey in Cincinnati or a Yankee jersey in Boston, or a Jesus Didn't Tap shirt anywhere. It's only offensive if you let it be.
The Sykes reference is hilarious though. It is hypocritical.
You can check "freedom of speech" at the door when you step onto private property. You can say whatever you like on the street outside of my house, but step into my home and say something I find offensive and you'll be escorted to the door.
Dollywood is private property.
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As are other private venues such as Disneyland/DWR. They're as gay-friendly as it gets, but wear an offensive or even mildly distasteful shirt and you'll be asked to reverse it. Refuse and you'll be shown the door.
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As are other private venues such as Disneyland/DWR. They're as gay-friendly as it gets, but wear an offensive or even mildly distasteful shirt and you'll be asked to reverse it. Refuse and you'll be shown the door.
I have heard about the Gay days at Disneyland, at first I did not believe it.------What the **** is a Gay Day in a children's park ?????
How is this different from everyday family Park. At first I though this was a joke, when did the park have a Pr ego Day or a Slut Hot and Horny day ?????
These people are in it for the money they can get, they give a shit about the kids, this is all for the money the adults bring in.
Kids do not have the huge amount of of money to pay for the entrance to these parks, this is a way for adults to make up for ignoring their kids all year.
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I have heard about the Gay days at Disneyland, at first I did not believe it.------What the **** is a Gay Day in a children's park ?????
How is this different from everyday family Park. At first I though this was a joke, when did the park have a Pr ego Day or a Slut Hot and Horny day ?????
These people are in it for the money they can get, they give a shit about the kids, this is all for the money the adults bring in.
Kids do not have the huge amount of of money to pay for the entrance to these parks, this is a way for adults to make up for ignoring their kids all year.
WTF
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As are other private venues such as Disneyland/DWR. They're as gay-friendly as it gets, but wear an offensive or even mildly distasteful shirt and you'll be asked to reverse it. Refuse and you'll be shown the door.
As it should be, Those places 90% cater to children.
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Unbiased: that attitude is what will lead us to living in az world exactly like the one in the movie Idiocity. When decent people stop caring about indecent behaviour civilized society is over.
The sad fact is that this world is becoming like Idiocracy. BTW, Idiocracy was a great movie.
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WTF
You're in Vegas, hon, drink heavily. :rotf:
BTW, a super belated happy birthday.
Hopefully I don't have you confused with someone else.