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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Revolution on May 24, 2011, 09:17:16 AM
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"It is time to tell the story of a little girl named Caylee."
That's how Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick started her opening statement this morning in the first-degree murder case against Casey Anthony.
"You will hear, during testimony in this case, that no one had any idea anything had befallen Caylee Marie Anthony until July 15 of 2008 – how can that be?" Drane Burdick asked. "What happened between June 16 (when Caylee was last seen) and July 16th – where is Caylee Marie?"
Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-opening-20110523,0,921967.story)
This is a very sad, extremely heart wrenching case. Opening statements are being made at this very moment. I have followed this case from pretty much the beginning 3 years ago. A lot of people care about this case, and some think it'll be darn near as big as the O.J. Simpson case. I always hate to see cases like this with children involved-especially very young children.
I guess we'll see what happens. Thoughts?
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The mothers actions were very questionable to say the least. It sounded to me like she killed the little girl to be with a guy. I remember when they found the body, a utility worker found it. I think she will get time, not much. I think she should be at room temp as her child if she did it!
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It's really been covered here---with the jurors being picked in Florida, near Tampa, and the case in Orlando. The local news we get in Sarasota is from the Tampa station.
What I really hate are those crocodile tears from the mom. I know it's prejudging, but her partying while the little girl had disappeared really rubs me the wrong way. Ditto the duct tape on the child's mouth. I don't see how anyone could harm a precious little child.
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It's really been covered here---with the jurors being picked in Florida, near Tampa, and the case in Orlando. The local news we get in Sarasota is from the Tampa station.
What I really hate are those crocodile tears from the mom. I know it's prejudging, but her partying while the little girl had disappeared really rubs me the wrong way. Ditto the duct tape on the child's mouth. I don't see how anyone could harm a precious little child.
I had forgotten about the duct tape.
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Watched the opening prosecutor's statement. Very powerful, very chilling so far.
The defence is going to have pull out something big time to get this woman off.
I do wonder who is paying for her defence, the cost must be astronomical just so far.
I do appreciate the moderators calling attention to some things that only a lawyer would notice or know that I have forgotten in 3 years.
I am fascinated with this case, the Grand Parents actions and reaction. Will they be called as hostile witnesses to testify against their daughter????
The whole process of law and courts is high drama, perhaps the height of a battle of wits with life or death in the balance.
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The prosecuter has been pitch perfect thus far. Just right on her game. It's going to be tougher than a two dollar steak for Biaz to beat the opening statement in terms of convincing the jury. Grizzly case.
The mothers actions were very questionable to say the least. It sounded to me like she killed the little girl to be with a guy. I remember when they found the body, a utility worker found it. I think she will get time, not much. I think she should be at room temp as her child if she did it!
Our lines of thinking connect on this. I am reminded of Susan Smith. Just a different means of killing. I think Smith was just deranged though. I believe Casey Anthony to be a complete sociopath. She shows it every time she's on camera. Everything is all about her. Politics doesn't even really enter into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was a liberal.
In Smith's case, she killed to be with one guy. In this chick's case, I wouldn't be surprised if she killed in an attempt to be with many. The woman was quite promiscuous. Not to mention, a pathological liar.
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I HATE HATE HATE Casey Anthony with a passion. That bitch needs to rot in hell. Can we watch the trial on TV? Court TV is now Tru TV, so I wasn't sure if Tru TV would play the trial. I watched this whole thing go down. I watched Nancy Grace every single night when there was still a lot of new evidence coming up. Jail tapes, 9-1-1 calls, text messages, etc.
Casey is guilty.
Florida -fry her ass immediately.
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Good.
It's on Tru TV right now.
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I HATE HATE HATE Casey Anthony with a passion. That bitch needs to rot in hell. Can we watch the trial on TV? Court TV is now Tru TV, so I wasn't sure if Tru TV would play the trial. I watched this whole thing go down. I watched Nancy Grace every single night when there was still a lot of new evidence coming up. Jail tapes, 9-1-1 calls, text messages, etc.
Casey is guilty.
Florida -fry her ass immediately.
I agree on that last sentiment. I also admit again that I watched NG more than I care to admit. :shucks:
And Damn! Biaz is trying with all his might to put Casey out of the murderous light, but is also succeeding in casting a very, very bad, negative light over her. Wow. Prosecution did a much better job. Has a hell of a lot stronger case IMHO. Caylee didn't drown in any freaking pool of her own curiosity! :argh:
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I agree on that last sentiment. I also admit again that I watched NG more than I care to admit. :shucks:
And Damn! Biaz is trying with all his might to put Casey out of the murderous light, but is also succeeding in casting a very, very bad, negative light over her. Wow. Prosecution did a much better job. Has a hell of a lot stronger case IMHO. Caylee didn't drown in any freaking pool of her own curiosity! :argh:
I'm not even at the defense opening statement yet. I've seen some things on Twitter and they are really disgusted with his opening statement. Since I am on the west coast, I am still watching the prosecutors opening statement. It's chilling to hear this all over again. Most of this I already know about. I'm more interested in the testimony of experts and witnesses.
I know Casey has been trying to throw her entire family under the bus since she was arrested. I know what's about to come when Jose Baez gets up to the stand.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2
Biaz pretty much tore into Casey's dad. "She was brought up to lie." "Her father, and her brother molested her." Some of the opening statement was just incoherent, and ridiculous. I was biting my lip. At one point when he was writing on the whitboard he used, his marker crapped out. I thought it was fairly symbolic.
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That whole family is dysfunctional.
I know Baez is going to claim Caylee drowned in the pool. However, Casey was trying to use that story back in 2008. It didn't work back then, it's not going to work now.
Any parent whose child drowns in a pool is not going to wait 31 days to report it and then LIE LIE LIE to hide it. If Caylee drowned in the pool, why was her body found with duct tape over her mouth BEFORE decomposition even started? I just cannot stand Casey.
I'm curious to see if Baez is dumb enough to put Casey on the stand. I want her parent's on the stand. I want their neighbor, whom Casey borrowed a shovel from, on the stand. I want to see Amy H. on the stand. There are so many players in this whole thing. I wonder how long this trial will last.
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Maybe weeks. Her dad is on the stand right at this very moment.
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I HATE HATE HATE Casey Anthony with a passion. That bitch needs to rot in hell. Can we watch the trial on TV? Court TV is now Tru TV, so I wasn't sure if Tru TV would play the trial. I watched this whole thing go down. I watched Nancy Grace every single night when there was still a lot of new evidence coming up. Jail tapes, 9-1-1 calls, text messages, etc.
Casey is guilty.
Florida -fry her ass immediately.
A lot of people hate Casey Anthony. She ranks right up there with Osama bin Laden, Lori Drew, Fred Phelps, Joran van der Sloot, and South Hadley 6.
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Maybe weeks. Her dad is on the stand right at this very moment.
I'm still waiting for the court to reassemble after lunch. That should be in five more minutes. That will start the defense teams opening statements.
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Okay... was NOT expecting some of the things that have come out of Jose Baez's mouth. This defense team is really grasping at straws here. What's next? Is he going to claim the neighbor's dog killed Caylee?
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Okay... was NOT expecting some of the things that have come out of Jose Baez's mouth. This defense team is really grasping at straws here. What's next? Is he going to claim the neighbor's dog killed Caylee?
EVIL dawg.
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From the whole trial I've seen thus far, I absolutely agree, Jess. The defense is a fuster cluck, IMO. Prosecution should eat them up. I expect Biaz to extend this trial as looooooooooooooooong as possible because of that very thing. :thatsright:
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From the whole trial I've seen thus far, I absolutely agree, Jess. The defense is a fuster cluck, IMO. Prosecution should eat them up. I expect Biaz to extend this trial as looooooooooooooooong as possible because of that very thing. :thatsright:
Oh he will.
He worked his ass off to make sure this trial took as long as it did to begin. I'm sure he wished he could have delayed it even more. He wanted to move the trial out of Florida completely.
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Yep. Too bad the majority of America knows about this disgusting bitch.
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Yep. Too bad the majority of America knows about this disgusting bitch.
My life revolved around this when it started in 2008. Sounds pathetic, but I just could not turn away. I had to know every detail. Kind of like the Laci Peterson case too.
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Anyone go to CNN/ live to watch the grump's on the stand ????
All through the prosecution questions he had this weird smile, not a smirk but so self confident and putting himself in his best light.
Come cross exam, he began to wilt, not so confident and no smile. 3 years after seeing his granddaughter he could remember the color of his her socks but could not remember what he was wearing 2 weeks ago,
I have a real bad feeling about that man, -----Question is for me---- did he duck tape her mouth so she could not call for help if he molested her then thrown her into the pool to drown.?????
Defence said on opening statement that the first thing he said to his addled daughter when he came walking up with the the drowned child was """" Look what you did"""""
Watching on True TV and had a few fits when they broke from the trial for an ad. Fortunately when 3 o' clock came they directed us to the CNN web site to watch the next 2 hours., uninterrupted.
I cannot wait to hear the grandma and her testimony and why she never asked about the babysitter, from her daughter or the grand child. Kids even that young can tell some things and as she told grandpa she was going to the nanny by name, this is so odd.
Question, how many parents will keep a grown child and their baby at home and never ask for them to help them out on at least the food they eat when they think they have a job????
So far I don't believe grandpa one bit, going to be interesting to hear from the brother and all the rest.
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I missed the rest of the trial today. It ended with Jose Baez's opening statement out here. I'm currently searching online for a place to watch the rest of the afternoon before Nancy Grace covers the trial. I'd like to see George Anthony on the stand from beginning to end. We got cut off by recess after the defense opening statement, and unfortunately, I go back to work tomorrow so will be unable to watch the trial until after work.
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Anyone go to CNN/ live to watch the grump's on the stand ????
All through the prosecution questions he had this weird smile, not a smirk but so self confident and putting himself in his best light.
Come cross exam, he began to wilt, not so confident and no smile. 3 years after seeing his granddaughter he could remember the color of his her socks but could not remember what he was wearing 2 weeks ago,
I have a real bad feeling about that man, -----Question is for me---- did he duck tape her mouth so she could not call for help if he molested her then thrown her into the pool to drown.?????
Defence said on opening statement that the first thing he said to his addled daughter when he came walking up with the the drowned child was """" Look what you did"""""
Watching on True TV and had a few fits when they broke from the trial for an ad. Fortunately when 3 o' clock came they directed us to the CNN web site to watch the next 2 hours., uninterrupted.
I cannot wait to hear the grandma and her testimony and why she never asked about the babysitter, from her daughter or the grand child. Kids even that young can tell some things and as she told grandpa she was going to the nanny by name, this is so odd.
Question, how many parents will keep a grown child and their baby at home and never ask for them to help them out on at least the food they eat when they think they have a job????
So far I don't believe grandpa one bit, going to be interesting to hear from the brother and all the rest.
Vesta - George Anthony did not kill Caylee. Casey killed Caylee.
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I was watching a little on Headline News this evening because I missed the part with George Anthony on the stand. The host was Joy Behar, I have always thought that she's not terribly bright and a nasty, hateful sort of woman. So she says "I can't believe the father (George Anthony) got on the stand and denied everything, he may have just sent his daughter to the electric chair. How could he do that to his daughter?". Guests on the show were amazed and in total disbelief. They told her maybe he denied because he didn't do it. She said "It doesn't matter, I would never testify against my daughter. I would lie". Even if she killed your granddaughter? She said "It doesn't matter." Unbelievable, what a vile creature she is. I've always known that the truth is irrelevant to Joy Behar, but I've never her seen her just admit it like that.
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I was watching a little on Headline News this evening because I missed the part with George Anthony on the stand. The host was Joy Behar, I have always thought that she's not terribly bright and a nasty, hateful sort of woman. So she says "I can't believe the father (George Anthony) got on the stand and denied everything, he may have just sent his daughter to the electric chair. How could he do that to his daughter?". Guests on the show were amazed and in total disbelief. They told her maybe he denied because he didn't do it. She said "It doesn't matter, I would never testify against my daughter. I would lie". Even if she killed your granddaughter? She said "It doesn't matter." Unbelievable, what a vile creature she is. I've always known that the truth is irrelevant to Joy Behar, but I've never her seen her just admit it like that.
The sad thing about all of this though -- George & Cindy Anthony still stand by Casey, even with these crazy accusations. I thought by now, three years later, they would have just left her and stopped supporting her. Never been in their shoes and pray I never will be, but my guess is that they already lost their granddaughter, they don't want to lose their daughter too. If that makes any sense.
To me, an outsider, I just can't understand why they would keep supporting a child killer... but that's just me.
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I thought it came out fairly early that Casey was a pathalogical liar.
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The sad thing about all of this though -- George & Cindy Anthony still stand by Casey, even with these crazy accusations. I thought by now, three years later, they would have just left her and stopped supporting her. Never been in their shoes and pray I never will be, but my guess is that they already lost their granddaughter, they don't want to lose their daughter too. If that makes any sense.
To me, an outsider, I just can't understand why they would keep supporting a child killer... but that's just me.
It depends on what you mean by support. I can see a parent caring about what happened to their child and assisting her in legal and ethical ways. They probably feel guilty because they raised her. If I had raised a monster like Casey, I would probably tell her, you did a horrible thing and you must face the consequences. I would never lie to protect her from those consequences if she murdered someone, no matter who she murdered. I still would talk to her, visit her and be available to her if she was interested in contact. I'd be working on getting her mental health care or an exorcist or something.
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I have always thought Casey had something to do with her daughter's death.
However, I have also always thought there was something strange about the family dynamics.
The father seemed much more concerned about his daughter than the mother did. Didn't he attempt suicide, supposedly because he was so despondent? Why would HE attempt suicide? Wouldn't it have been more logical for Casey to attempt suicide.
Who is the father of Caylee? I don't think I've ever heard him mentioned. I heard about some of the dad's testimony on this morning's news and he said he thought Casey was having "water retention issues" when she was 7 MONTHS pregnant? Uh, yeah, right.
What mother would call 911 and tell police that the trunk of her daughter's car smelled like a dead body had been in it? I thought that was an odd remark to make, and still do.
There have been so many unanswered questions through this entire situation. I haven't followed it nearly as close as Jess and Rev have done and continue to do, but I do wonder, if the many unanswered questions will be answered enough to convict Casey "beyond a reasonable doubt", if the jurors are able to keep from making a determination AFTER hearing all evidence.
Obviously the defense attorney's job is to throw out as many doubts as possible, and there is no question that sexual abuse by the father - if true - is significant. If it's true, what are the chances of Caylee being the father's child? ...eww. Saw pictures of Caylee on tv this morning and she looks like her mother probably did at the same age.
It's easier to just think that Casey murdered her child.
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I have always thought Casey had something to do with her daughter's death.
However, I have also always thought there was something strange about the family dynamics.
The father seemed much more concerned about his daughter than the mother did. Didn't he attempt suicide, supposedly because he was so despondent? Why would HE attempt suicide? Wouldn't it have been more logical for Casey to attempt suicide.
Who is the father of Caylee? I don't think I've ever heard him mentioned. I heard about some of the dad's testimony on this morning's news and he said he thought Casey was having "water retention issues" when she was 7 MONTHS pregnant? Uh, yeah, right.
What mother would call 911 and tell police that the trunk of her daughter's car smelled like a dead body had been in it? I thought that was an odd remark to make, and still do.
There have been so many unanswered questions through this entire situation. I haven't followed it nearly as close as Jess and Rev have done and continue to do, but I do wonder, if the many unanswered questions will be answered enough to convict Casey "beyond a reasonable doubt", if the jurors are able to keep from making a determination AFTER hearing all evidence.
Obviously the defense attorney's job is to throw out as many doubts as possible, and there is no question that sexual abuse by the father - if true - is significant. If it's true, what are the chances of Caylee being the father's child? ...eww. Saw pictures of Caylee on tv this morning and she looks like her mother probably did at the same age.
It's easier to just think that Casey murdered her child.
I have always wondered who is the father of Caylee Anthony.
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I know little of this case. But, the whole clan seems whacked.
That's going to be a question I have when I get to heaven... "Why even let bastards like that procreate?" Criminy. Even if the child hadn't died, seems like life was stacked against her.
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Who is the father of Caylee? I don't think I've ever heard him mentioned. I heard about some of the dad's testimony on this morning's news and he said he thought Casey was having "water retention issues" when she was 7 MONTHS pregnant? Uh, yeah, right.
Nobody knows.
In typical Casey fashion, she told her parent's the father died in a car accident in 2007.
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Obviously the defense attorney's job is to throw out as many doubts as possible, and there is no question that sexual abuse by the father - if true - is significant. If it's true, what are the chances of Caylee being the father's child? ...eww. Saw pictures of Caylee on tv this morning and she looks like her mother probably did at the same age.
Not sure if anyone answered this yet.
George, nor Lee (Casey's brother), are the father of Caylee. There was a DNA test done and they both came back negative.
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Not sure if anyone answered this yet.
George, nor Lee (Casey's brother), are the father of Caylee. There was a DNA test done and they both came back negative.
I hadn't heard about the DNA test for them, or if I did, I'd forgotten.
Thanks, for the answer.
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Not sure if anyone answered this yet.
George, nor Lee (Casey's brother), are the father of Caylee. There was a DNA test done and they both came back negative.
Absolutely whacked, I say. That was never even a question in my family.
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Absolutely whacked, I say. That was never even a question in my family.
Well, we have another 6-8 weeks to mull this over, listen to testimony and try to figure out the things that the defence has said are things we may never know.
All I have to go on is how MY dad treated his grand kids, or treated me. [ Something just ain't right here ].
I get this nagging feeling that the grand dad was just a bit too interested in the female things woman notice. He knew all about the child's progress in potty training, claims he sat for hours with the child watching Disney videos, he even said he spent a few times a week with the child working with coloring books. Does a 2 year old have the motor skills to color at 2 years old, or the attention span to spend allot of time scribbling out of the lines ????? No problem with a dad or grandfather watching the tapes with a 2 year old, but to have sit through it time after time is a little odd.
It is the little things he said that somehow just bother me. His daughter had lived with him and her mother all her live including the lifetime of his granddaughter. One day out of the blue his daughter moves out and says the baby is with a unknown to them Nanny. The last time he says he saw of he was with his daughter, he says he saw her put the baby in her car to visit with the unknown Nanny.
Once out of his home he lost all interest in both daughter and granddaughter. As much as he say he loved his grandchild, at no time did he lift a finger to see the child. Did he miss the baby, feel any loss to having her stuff, her room, toys, clothing, or the early morning breakfasts with just them two ???
The mothers boyfriend says that at on time the grandmother came to the apartment she was living in and there was something of a problem between daughter and mother
I cannot wait to hear the Gradmothers testimony on why she waited a month then called the police about a smell in her daughters car. Why was that woman not up her daughters Ass about her baby.
Cannot wait to see the grandmother on the stand, what did she know and when.
I am not sure the word dysfunctional is the proper term for this family,sooner or later the correct term will be found, and that will may be a shocker to us.
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That blithering idiot Sunny Hostin is exactly the kind of 'caring' lawyer that Obutthead wants on the bench. She doesn't know jack shit about dealing with sociopaths.
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Well, we have another 6-8 weeks to mull this over, listen to testimony and try to figure out the things that the defence has said are things we may never know.
All I have to go on is how MY dad treated his grand kids, or treated me. [ Something just ain't right here ].
I get this nagging feeling that the grand dad was just a bit too interested in the female things woman notice. He knew all about the child's progress in potty training, claims he sat for hours with the child watching Disney videos, he even said he spent a few times a week with the child working with coloring books. Does a 2 year old have the motor skills to color at 2 years old, or the attention span to spend allot of time scribbling out of the lines ????? No problem with a dad or grandfather watching the tapes with a 2 year old, but to have sit through it time after time is a little odd.
It is the little things he said that somehow just bother me. His daughter had lived with him and her mother all her live including the lifetime of his granddaughter. One day out of the blue his daughter moves out and says the baby is with a unknown to them Nanny. The last time he says he saw of he was with his daughter, he says he saw her put the baby in her car to visit with the unknown Nanny.
Once out of his home he lost all interest in both daughter and granddaughter. As much as he say he loved his grandchild, at no time did he lift a finger to see the child. Did he miss the baby, feel any loss to having her stuff, her room, toys, clothing, or the early morning breakfasts with just them two ???
The mothers boyfriend says that at on time the grandmother came to the apartment she was living in and there was something of a problem between daughter and mother
I cannot wait to hear the Gradmothers testimony on why she waited a month then called the police about a smell in her daughters car. Why was that woman not up her daughters Ass about her baby.
Cannot wait to see the grandmother on the stand, what did she know and when.
I am not sure the word dysfunctional is the proper term for this family,sooner or later the correct term will be found, and that will may be a shocker to us.
You do realize that Cindy had NO idea about the car until they received a letter from the impound lot and THAT is when they noticed the smell....
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It's tough to work at Petro, and still keep track of the case. Even when they run FNC on the TV 24/7. ( Since there's a tucker seating area right in front of the TV.) I'm doing dishes all the timje, so I miss things. This whole thing is just messed up bokyond belief. I don't even know where to start. Following this could make one dizzy.
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It's tough to work at Petro, and still keep track of the case. Even when they run FNC on the TV 24/7. ( Since there's a tucker seating area right in front of the TV.) I'm doing dishes all the timje, so I miss things. This whole thing is just messed up bokyond belief. I don't even know where to start. Following this could make one dizzy.
The Anthony case had been on going since July 2008. When I first heard of it, I knew Casey Anthony was up to no good. This trial could last for months. This whole Anthony case has shades of Diane Downs and Susan Smith. I remember the Smith case well.
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It's tough to work at Petro, and still keep track of the case. Even when they run FNC on the TV 24/7. ( Since there's a tucker seating area right in front of the TV.) I'm doing dishes all the timje, so I miss things. This whole thing is just messed up bokyond belief. I don't even know where to start. Following this could make one dizzy.
Check out HLN too. They also cover the trial during the day and have highlights on Vinnie's, Jane's, and Nancy's shows. I watch HLN on my work days to catch up on the bits & pieces that I missed during the day while at work. I only get to see 10 minutes of the trial after work. Not enough time for me. I need to know details.
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Exactly. I've been watching as much as I can. Trial, and NG. Tomorrow, I work 3-11, so I'll be able to watch it if they're continuing the trial on the weekend. A fair majority of Saturday's preceedings, at least.
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Exactly. I've been watching as much as I can. Trial, and NG. Tomorrow, I work 3-11, so I'll be able to watch it if they're continuing the trial on the weekend. A fair majority of Saturday's preceedings, at least.
The call In's to the moderators are interesting, 13Th Juror sort of thing.
One caller was very sharp about the testimony of Casey's brothers girlfriend, the woman that sobbed and testified that Casey was a Awesome mother. A big win for the defence--BUT---
The caller reminded us that in the first minute or so of testimony, she the brothers girlfriend, stated that she had only met Casey a couple of times and did not know her well. ---All those tears from a woman who was engaged to a man whose own sister has accused him of sexual assult.
I still have questions about Grandpa [ JOJO ] an EX- police detective and his actions when he went to pick up Casey's car at the impound lot. The smell of death of a human in the car was so bad he had to drive home with all the windows open and stated he could not have driven anywhere had the windows been rolled up. ----
Got to remember both daughter and granddaughter were missing at this time and he knew some human had been dead in his daughters car.
So what did he do but ignore past training with the police and years as a security guard but remove evidence of a death from where he found it, took the car home and went to work. ----I understand now why he is no longer a Cop and has had a history of not keeping Security jobs for long.
Who would know about the smell of human flesh well enough to park a car with a body in it next to a smelly dumpster??????
It is said the car was out of gas when found at impound, gas can be syphoned off you know and this gives rise to the testimony of the owner of the impound lot, makes sense that any gas would be removed from a car or truck left over a week or two, Once the impound fees get up there in the high figures people will just let the car or truck go rather then pay perhaps more then the car is worth.
No way will a City Contractor do anything to jeopardise loss of a city contract for any reason, and I know that before crushing a car, it is totally stripped of anything valuable from side mirrors, stereo systems to spar tires, jacks and good batteries.
It is said that this Contractor has nothing to gain or loose by testifying but that is not true. He wants to keep as low a profile as possible so no one decides to look into his business dealings, competition is fierce for a City contract and his rivals would love to get him out and move in themselves. This may explain why the Contractor did not himself call the police to report a suspicious car on his property. ----
---------One way to keep from getting killed if he stumbles over a Gang or Mob hit.
It appears that something has been lost here to the lawyers and moderaters on the shows that cover this trial, the strange concept that in America the accused is considered Innocent and has the right to defend themselves from people with something to gain or just are mistaken in a court of Law.
So far I have nothing but high praise for the Judge, not only is he in complete controll of the Court Room but even when scolding the defence here and there he is doing so in a teaching manor.
The very fact he shows such respect for the Jury as to get out of his seat, move off the bench to greet them when they enter his Court is the sign of a true and honorable man of the Law.
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Casey Anthony,
Set the bitch on fire and be done with her. If you want to be efficient about the whole thing, set Nancy Grace on fire and have her run over and bear hug Casey.
I believe that lil miss party slut was chloroforming Caylee and taping her mouth in case she woke up and leaving her in the trunk of the car while she did her thing drinking and screwing whatever walked by. One day she used a bit to much or maybe Caylee vomited while she was out and taped but either way she died. Mommy left her in the trunk for a few days until the smell started getting bad, buried her in the yard at home and hit the party circuit full time. Once it all came to light Caylee was missing and all the initial searches had been done in the neighborhood Mumsey and someone, either Dad, Mom or Bro helped ditch the body down the street.
That's my theory from what I've heard over the years of living down the road apiece from all this. I don't think we'll ever really know. All I can tell you for sure is anything you hear Casey say or Jose say is 100% Grade A Bullshit.
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Casey Anthony,
Set the bitch on fire and be done with her. If you want to be efficient about the whole thing, set Nancy Grace on fire and have her run over and bear hug Casey.
I believe that lil miss party slut was chloroforming Caylee and taping her mouth in case she woke up and leaving her in the trunk of the car while she did her thing drinking and screwing whatever walked by. One day she used a bit to much or maybe Caylee vomited while she was out and taped but either way she died. Mommy left her in the trunk for a few days until the smell started getting bad, buried her in the yard at home and hit the party circuit full time. Once it all came to light Caylee was missing and all the initial searches had been done in the neighborhood Mumsey and someone, either Dad, Mom or Bro helped ditch the body down the street.
That's my theory from what I've heard over the years of living down the road apiece from all this. I don't think we'll ever really know. All I can tell you for sure is anything you hear Casey say or Jose say is 100% Grade A Bullshit.
I've watched Nancy Grace's show several times. I'd probably watch it all the time if it wasn't for Nancy Grace. There just something about her that's as pleasant as finger nails on a chalkboard.
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^ See, that's the same kinda way I feel about JVM. I don't watch "Issues" much at all. I've glanced at it once in a while for this case, but I don't like skinny lipped, Jane V. Mitchell for some reason.
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Casey Anthony,
Set the bitch on fire and be done with her. If you want to be efficient about the whole thing, set Nancy Grace on fire and have her run over and bear hug Casey.
I believe that lil miss party slut was chloroforming Caylee and taping her mouth in case she woke up and leaving her in the trunk of the car while she did her thing drinking and screwing whatever walked by. One day she used a bit to much or maybe Caylee vomited while she was out and taped but either way she died. Mommy left her in the trunk for a few days until the smell started getting bad, buried her in the yard at home and hit the party circuit full time. Once it all came to light Caylee was missing and all the initial searches had been done in the neighborhood Mumsey and someone, either Dad, Mom or Bro helped ditch the body down the street.
That's my theory from what I've heard over the years of living down the road apiece from all this. I don't think we'll ever really know. All I can tell you for sure is anything you hear Casey say or Jose say is 100% Grade A Bullshit.
That's what I've been thinking too, but I don't think she had help from her family. I think the mom/daughter dynamic controlled that house and dad learned to keep his mouth shut and stay out of the line of fire.
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That's what I've been thinking too, but I don't think she had help from her family. I think the mom/daughter dynamic controlled that house and dad learned to keep his mouth shut and stay out of the line of fire.
Somehow, I think the dad's involved. Whether it be with Casey herself, Caylee, or helping her do something with or/to Caylee. Why else would he have attempted suicide?
I've heard of parents being so despondent over losing a child, that their marriage goes out the window, they develop alcohol or drug issues, or they die of a "broken" heart (which I do believe can happen)....some I'm sure have been so despondent that they have committed suicide in order to "be with" their child.
But for a grandparent to attempt suicide months after their grandchild has died? Odd.
A month or so ago, a local woman went to a gas station with her 8yr old grandson, went into the bathroom at the back of the building, shot and killed the little boy and shot herself. She survived for a couple of days, but never regained consciousness, so no one knows for sure why she did it. Supposedly, she had depression problems, and had custodial custody of her grandchild, because his parents were in and out of jail, and have drug issues.
So I guess, there are situations where it has happened...but if he was going to kill himself over his despondency for his grandchild wouldn't he have done it sooner, or much later?
Makes me think he's somehow involved, and since he survived, is now hoping no one finds out....
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The suicide attempt, IMHO, was just an attention ploy. The media was starting to back off the Anthony's, so that crazy ass family had to do something to get the attention back on them.
My theory is that Casey did this 100% all on her own. She wanted to be child free and go out partying every night with all of her single, child-less friends. She wanted the Bella Vita.
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The suicide attempt, IMHO, was just an attention ploy. The media was starting to back off the Anthony's, so that crazy ass family had to do something to get the attention back on them.
My theory is that Casey did this 100% all on her own. She wanted to be child free and go out partying every night with all of her single, child-less friends. She wanted the Bella Vita.
Very curious here EC about the sudden and abrupt leaving of the only home mother and daughter had ever lived in their intire lives. Casey had never lived alone or raised her child without family back up.
She was 22 years old with a 2 year old baby that had lived under the care of the grandparents all her life, Why not just have a talk with the grandparents and ask them to continue to care for the baby for say 3-6 months as she needed to grow up independent of family, learn to manage finances for herself and baby, to be a single independent mother?????
I cannot imagine her parents after all these years of taking responsibility for both her and the baby would say NO.
There are millions of grandparents that care for a grandchild when the parents hit a hard spot as their lives, kids need to get out in life and learn to survive on their own.
Too much taking responsibility of the grown children leads to adults that cannot care for their own kids as they never were expected to take care of themselves. Mom would do everything for the young adult and their child. Was Casey expected to pay rent for herself and child, did she do laundry and cook meals for her working parents ??? Yes, Casey also worked but did she pull her fair share of the work to run a house hold???
So why did Casey run taking with her the baby with no place of her own and little money coming in ???
Did something happen that led Casey to believe she could not leave the baby in her parents care????? Did she believe the baby would be better off with her almost on the streets then around her Dad, Mom and Brother ?
The question still stands, why take the baby from the only home it knew away from safety and security.
She could still live the wild part of life, the Clubs, the drugs and whatever and visit he child when she wished. She had no reason whats so ever to kill that baby, she had back up from family all her and the baby's life.
So what Gives Here, very strange the actions of both grandparents, her brother and the rest of her family.
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Okay, okay. I haven't been watching the case. Actually, I've been avoiding it like the plague but in the course of listening to morning "news" shows, you can't help but hear a snippet or two and with a bit of reading here, I'm going to toss a few things out there.
My first rule is pretty much the "Rule of Judy", as in Judge Judy. If something doesn't sound right, it's probably not true. My second rule, if I'm aware of a similar situation FIRST HAND, there's a strong possibility it can happen to somebody else, somewhere else just as easily. Rule Three? Water and electricity always take the path of least resistance, people generally do but not always.
1. Pretty, pathological liars aren't always guilty. Yes, in the minds of most women they are, ergo the "Lifetime" movie library. This isn't a Lifetime movie, it's real life.
2. Most "party girls" are not familiar with two uses of duct tape, no less a hundred, are not going to dig a hole and then relocate a body or drive around with a corpse in the trunk regardless of days, hours, minutes. Now, there are girls who like to party, they are a more intelligent breed than the "party girl".
3. Ms. Anthony MAY have had some sort of connection to the crime. Been an intended or unintended beneficiary of the crime but not likely the perpetrator of the crime.
4. IF she was sexually abused by her father, brother or other, it's quite possible she may have been or still under the control of the abuser. There is distinct possibility she is being framed. She could be taking the fall. Go back to my first point, who is a more sympathetic figure? A young mother or a male abuser?
To take it a bit further, don't look at her face, although she doesn't have a hard look about her or a fake soft look, nor really her body language but how she moves around. There's no defiance in her movement, she is being pushed around (again, this is based upon early images like arraignment). You can't fake clueless or catatonic unless she is on some sort of drug(s).
5. Don't blame defense motions and actions on the defendant. It was a good question. Who is paying for this defense? Can you say, "Follow the money?".
6. I know of a couple of situations where the mother is useless and the grandparents or other family member raises a child.
7. The blond, helmet-haired bitch with the funny accent should be scraping jizz stains of porn theater floors with her tongue.
It's conjecture. It's hypothetical. You can't apply logical rules to illogical actions.
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Ok i'll bite... what was Casey's DU name? :-)
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Somehow, I think the dad's involved. Whether it be with Casey herself, Caylee, or helping her do something with or/to Caylee. Why else would he have attempted suicide?
I've heard of parents being so despondent over losing a child, that their marriage goes out the window, they develop alcohol or drug issues, or they die of a "broken" heart (which I do believe can happen)....some I'm sure have been so despondent that they have committed suicide in order to "be with" their child.
But for a grandparent to attempt suicide months after their grandchild has died? Odd.
A month or so ago, a local woman went to a gas station with her 8yr old grandson, went into the bathroom at the back of the building, shot and killed the little boy and shot herself. She survived for a couple of days, but never regained consciousness, so no one knows for sure why she did it. Supposedly, she had depression problems, and had custodial custody of her grandchild, because his parents were in and out of jail, and have drug issues.
So I guess, there are situations where it has happened...but if he was going to kill himself over his despondency for his grandchild wouldn't he have done it sooner, or much later?
Makes me think he's somehow involved, and since he survived, is now hoping no one finds out....
The whole Anthony family is just dysfunctional when I look at it. They like attention.
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She was 22 years old with a 2 year old baby that had lived under the care of the grandparents all her life, Why not just have a talk with the grandparents and ask them to continue to care for the baby for say 3-6 months as she needed to grow up independent of family, learn to manage finances for herself and baby, to be a single independent mother?????
I can't answer this. I am not Casey.
Too much taking responsibility of the grown children leads to adults that cannot care for their own kids as they never were expected to take care of themselves. Mom would do everything for the young adult and their child. Was Casey expected to pay rent for herself and child, did she do laundry and cook meals for her working parents ??? Yes, Casey also worked but did she pull her fair share of the work to run a house hold???
False. Casey did not work. She TOLD her parent's and friends that she worked at Universal Studios and as an event coordinator. Both proved to be lies. It's highly unlikely Casey lifted a finger around her parent's household. This is the same girl who made up a nanny and claimed she paid this nanny $400 a week to care for Caylee.
The question still stands, why take the baby from the only home it knew away from safety and security.
Please don't call an innocent baby girl an 'it'. Caylee was a beautiful 2 year old girl who had her life abruptly ended by her monster of a mother.
She could still live the wild part of life, the Clubs, the drugs and whatever and visit he child when she wished. She had no reason whats so ever to kill that baby, she had back up from family all her and the baby's life.
Okay, back up.
If your daughter gave birth to a beautiful little girl but didn't want the responsibility of caring for her, you would still allow her to go out partying and getting drunk as hell while YOU played the mother role of your granddaughter?
This is what's wrong with all of these damn teen mothers running around. They think they want a baby, but then they realize how much work and money it takes to care for a child. That work gets in the way of their party lives. We need to start teaching these children that you cannot pop out a child, hand off the responsibility to someone else, and continue with their partying/clubbing.
Guess I'm just old fashioned.
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The grandparents were being interviewed by Greta at one point and the grandfather said he'd been an alcoholic and Caylee was the reason he quit drinking. Perhaps that's why his feelings were so raw that he attempted suicide. If it were me, I'd feel like my granddaughter saved my life. You don't think you can ever love any children more than your own and then you have grandchildren.
I just don't believe the molestation story, especially blaming both parents. She neither looks, nor acts like someone who was abused. I think she was overindulged & spoiled & a baby cramped her style. She didn't mind mommy and daddy watching Caylee while she went out and partied. Caylee probably thought of her grandparents more like parents (Caylee acted much more like a big sister than a mother) than Casey. I think Casey was jealous of the attention Caylee got and resentful that her daughter took away a measure of her freedom.
Cindie
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I think Casey was jealous of the attention Caylee got and resentful that her daughter took away a measure of her freedom.
THIS.
A lot of people have brought this up even from the beginning. Casey was no longer the "baby" of the family and she couldn't stand the attention Caylee was getting from her own parent's. She was jealous of Caylee.
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If your daughter gave birth to a beautiful little girl but didn't want the responsibility of caring for her, you would still allow her to go out partying and getting drunk as hell while YOU played the mother role of your granddaughter?
This is what's wrong with all of these damn teen mothers running around. They think they want a baby, but then they realize how much work and money it takes to care for a child. That work gets in the way of their party lives. We need to start teaching these children that you cannot pop out a child, hand off the responsibility to someone else, and continue with their partying/clubbing.
Guess I'm just old fashioned.
Jess .... you need to look at what Vesta said and what you said, a wee bit differently.
Vesta's looking at it from a grandmother's viewpoint....you are looking at it from a young mother's viewpoint.
Yes, it is the mother's responsibility - AND THE FATHER'S - to care and provide all the needs, nurturing, ect for the child.
But IF the mother and/or father does not do their job...what are you as a grandmother going to do about it? A grandparent - who is in the near vicinity - is going to step in and do whatever it takes to care for their grandchild. The grandparent is going to make sure the child is cared for, provided for and nurtured.
Because the alternative, is at best...the child is just neglected, middle of the road is going into the foster care system, and the worst....well, Caylee is the best example of worst case scenario - a dead baby.
Your parents are halfway across the country from you, so it's left up to you and your husband and ONLY the two of you,to do everything for your daughter....because there is no help coming from family. I was in the same situation with my kids - I lived almost to the east coast and my parents and my ex's were smack dab in the middle or in the case of his parents, they were in AZ in the winter. They weren't going to fly in for us to go out and party!! Or take over babysitting for whatever reason.
But my daughter lives 25 minutes from me on the north end of the county...I DO help her with taking the kids, if they can't go to daycare either because the daycare is closed or they are sick, and she has to work (she's the only X-ray tech in the clinic and he is an radiology interventionist in the trauma unit at a hospital, they can't work from home in an emergency). Her MIL, who lives about the same distance to the SE (I'm SW), also will help if she's not working(she's a cardiac nurse) . But neither one of us, take the munchkins so that the kids can go party...that's what babysitters are for.
I have seen or read about young mothers, out partying, while the kid's left with a babysitter, a boyfriend, daddy's girlfriend, grandparents. This isn't a new phenomenon....it was going on when I was back in my early 20's and hitting the bars after work with friends. I know it was going on when my older (by 5yrs) step-sister was that age...because she was the one doing it and leaving her daughter with my other step-sister who was 2 yrs younger with a husband and a baby!
The difference between Casey/Caylee and the majority of other young single mothers out cattin' around, is that their child doesn't end up dead, or abused, or in foster care. Maybe neglected a bit, compared to the way you, or I, or any of the other women here treat our kids, but not so much to do real damage to the child. (heck, my kids tell me I'm still a heliocopter mom!)
You say that's what's wrong with these teenage moms.... Jess, you can't judge all teenage moms or young 20's, or any age mom these days...based on the actions of a small percentage of young single moms.
There are only a few choices out there...
1. Better sex education taught in the schools - because obviously the girl wasn't learning about abstinence and birth control at home or she wouldn't have gotten pregnant. ::) (I would like to point out that birth control is not 100% effective, even when properly used!! I have a 4yr old grandson to prove it!)
2. Abortion's a choice. Don't anybody get in a snit with me over saying that either, because it IS a legal choice...and as long as it is a LEGAL CHOICE....it is available for an unwanted pregnancy.
3. Carry the child to term and give it up for adoption. Spend you life wondering if your child/grandchild is healthy, happy and safe.
4. Carry the child to term and keep it. Either raise it as a single parent, get married, get help from family and friends in some capacity.
4 choices....that's it, and as far as I'm concerned....I prefer 1 and 4. 2 and 3 are not acceptable - TO ME.
Once the child has arrived....someone has to take care of it, and if the mother's not going to do it, then
hopefully there's a grandmother around like Vesta, or me, or Bou, or any of the other grandparents here...who instead of wasting their time trying to "fix" an adult child, step in and take over the grandchild's care to make sure that nothing happens to that child.
You are a very good mom Jess....your child is always at the forefront of your life and your husband's. She's a very lucky little girl.
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I see both my cousin's do exactly what Casey did with Caylee, minus killing their children. They had their children in their 20's. They always dumped their kids with grandma, or my mom, so they could go out and get drunk. So I get a little heated when it comes to mothers going out all the time getting F!@# up. Going out to dinner and a few drinks with friends to catch up with each other, not really a big deal. But if a parent or both parent's neglect caring for their child because they want to go out and get as drunk as possible, that's just irresponsible.
And no, it's not just some of the teen moms who realize that caring for a baby is a huge responsibility. I get that. But you see most of the whining coming from the kids who are out having kids of their own. That's the point I was trying to make.
In this situation, I think Casey was past asking her mom the watch Caylee. Casey's mom was treating Caylee like her own daughter because Cindy (Casey's mom) was always with Caylee. She was playing the mother role the most in pictures/videos that were released. Obviously I do not live next door to the Anthony's, and I don't know went on behind closed doors. I can only base my opinion off what has been presented from pictures/videos.
Vesta, do you have grandchildren? I am not a grandma, so I can only look at this situation from a motherly position. That's the only place where my opinions can really come from.
As a younger mom, I would feel guilty if I went out without Carleigh often. Even if she was at home with her daddy.
This Casey Anthony trial gets me heated.
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Reading through the discussion on this page, I agree with Jessica. I have no experience having a kid. I don't think it would be a good idea to have a child at this point in my life. On the contrary. On the other hand, I believe myself to be a man. I would not neglect. I would not drink. Hell, I MAY quit smoking, or at least cut down so at the very least, there is less risk of getting burned for my young one. But thankfully, I don't have a child yet, and don't see it in the near future. Exasperation is a part of having a kid. I understand that. I also understand that it's a hell of a lot of work that I ain't ready for.
However, I wouldn't be thinking of partying with a baby in the house. I wouldn't be thinking of stupid things to do as a way to ditch my child. And to think of KILLING your child to "get free?" That's not only a horribly grotesque, morbid, disgusting, HATEFUL thought. It's plain...wrong. That would sure as hell never cross my mind, and I don't understand how it could cross anyone's mind that isn't f*cked up in the head in some way when they were in fact born...
Babies having babies...
I still say execute this big baby named Casey Anthony.
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I see both my cousin's do exactly what Casey did with Caylee, minus killing their children. They had their children in their 20's. They always dumped their kids with grandma, or my mom, so they could go out and get drunk. So I get a little heated when it comes to mothers going out all the time getting F!@# up. Going out to dinner and a few drinks with friends to catch up with each other, not really a big deal. But if a parent or both parent's neglect caring for their child because they want to go out and get as drunk as possible, that's just irresponsible.
And no, it's not just some of the teen moms who realize that caring for a baby is a huge responsibility. I get that. But you see most of the whining coming from the kids who are out having kids of their own. That's the point I was trying to make.
In this situation, I think Casey was past asking her mom the watch Caylee. Casey's mom was treating Caylee like her own daughter because Cindy (Casey's mom) was always with Caylee. She was playing the mother role the most in pictures/videos that were released. Obviously I do not live next door to the Anthony's, and I don't know went on behind closed doors. I can only base my opinion off what has been presented from pictures/videos.
Vesta, do you have grandchildren? I am not a grandma, so I can only look at this situation from a motherly position. That's the only place where my opinions can really come from.
As a younger mom, I would feel guilty if I went out without Carleigh often. Even if she was at home with her daddy.
This Casey Anthony trial gets me heated.
Yup EC, I do indeed have grandbabys - 6 -and 6 great grand children. My family breed like rabbits at very young ages, baby's having baby's'.
Not a damn thing I can do but hide and watch and help out, not with money but with a Safe Harbor when any need it.
Through the years I found that having an adult child live with you is counter productive to their growth. The instant the Adult child crosses over the door step with or without children the Adult is now teated as a child once again.
Fact of life, the Mother-Grandma sets the rules of the house, and all have no option but to follow them.
This chafes on the Adult child that has lived independently for a while and now finds that they are once again expected to abide by rules and regulations of the like as when they were kids.
This time however things are way out of their control, their kids see the Grandparents as the Adults in their family and the mothers an fathers demoted to their level, the word of the grandparents over rules that of their parents.
Kids learn to manipulate others very early on, they know who in the family to go to to get their desires and needs met. The parents become brothers and sisters to them and the grandparents stand like Hawks watching out for them. Total respect for parents fall when there is someone to counter any decisions they make, queston their judgement or over ride the parents wishes.
When this happens it is best for both parents and children if the parents leave their children in a safe place and head out to gather their lives to the point they can care for their own children.
Casey has such a family, at any time she knew she could leave her baby and head out to find herself.
Something Happend to cause her to run with or without the baby. This is what makes this trial so interesting, Why at this time. She did have for a short time a job at Universal, did she quit or was fired.
What were the demons in her life----The duck tape, a huge question here, the baby was so small if she wished to Cloform the child she could have left her in the back seat under the baby blanket seen in her car, don't you think that the child if placed in a trunk and survived would have mentioned it to someone.???
BTW I saw a horrid example in the South of mothers wanting to party, placing children in a back room and giving them Kool Aid laced with PGA. These sleeping baby's were left ALONE for 6-8 hours as the mothers went out to the clubs.
When the occasional fire broke out, it was the same mothers on TV weeping and waling about the damn Jewish or white slum lord that caused their baby's to die.
This is a wicked world EC, Strangers, friends, parents, family members and spouses do very evil acts. It always comes a shock to us,
-------We have a case here in N.H. where a couple deacons in a local church raped a 12 year old girl. If I remember correctly, the girl went to the pastor and was forced to stand in front of the intire congregation and give an apology for her statement. The police were never informed of her complaint and so far I think both Pastors and the Deacons have been sent to jail.
A wicked world out there, Was it Diogenes that wandered the Earth with a lamp looking for just one Honest Person ??
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What made her take the child and run?
I wonder if the grandparents hadn't threatened to take custody of Caylee. I have seen this happen where the baby has lived with the grandparents, but when they try to get custody of the child the parent suddenly wants to be the parent.
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Something Happend to cause her to run with or without the baby. This is what makes this trial so interesting, Why at this time. She did have for a short time a job at Universal, did she quit or was fired.
From what I understand, Casey was fired from Universal before Caylee was even born.
What were the demons in her life----The duck tape, a huge question here, the baby was so small if she wished to Cloform the child she could have left her in the back seat under the baby blanket seen in her car, don't you think that the child if placed in a trunk and survived would have mentioned it to someone.???
Do you mean have Caylee mention something? She was just under three years old. Even if Casey put Caylee in the trunk before, without chloroform, Caylee would have been too young to really explain what happened. Now if Caylee was let's say, four or five, she could have mentioned it to grandma or grandpa.
This is a wicked world EC, Strangers, friends, parents, family members and spouses do very evil acts. It always comes a shock to us,
Believe me, I know how nasty and evil people are in this world. That is why we do not have a babysitter for Carleigh. Yes, she goes to daycare and there could be a crazy there. But the women who are working there have been there for many, many, many years. I want to get a babysitter for Carleigh, but I'm afraid to do it because of the things I read in the news of babysitters getting upset with the kids and killing them. My husband & I just don't worry about it anymore. When family does come out to visit, the grandparent's will watch Carleigh for a couple of hours. So we get a get a child-free break for a few hours once or twice a year. lol
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What made her take the child and run?
I wonder if the grandparents hadn't threatened to take custody of Caylee. I have seen this happen where the baby has lived with the grandparents, but when they try to get custody of the child the parent suddenly wants to be the parent.
There was an alleged fight at the Anthony home on Father's Day in the evening. The argument must have gotten so bad, Casey took Caylee and left. I remember hearing Cindy wanted to take over custody of Caylee, but I have not seen any proof of that. Now if this stuff is true, Casey could have killed Caylee just as a "**** YOU" to her mom. You know, kind of like, if I can't have Caylee - you can't have Caylee.
But I do believe Casey drugged Caylee often, but this time, Casey overdosed Caylee. I still can't call it an "accident" because what mother drugs their child on "accident" with chloroform or Xanax?
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What made her take the child and run?
I wonder if the grandparents hadn't threatened to take custody of Caylee. I have seen this happen where the baby has lived with the grandparents, but when they try to get custody of the child the parent suddenly wants to be the parent.
That might explain taking Caylee but not killing her. Someone who suddenly wants to be a parent doesn't kill their child. That baby was lucky to have her grandparents to care for her. Casey is a ****ing selfish brat. My grandparents gave me the only normal "traditional" family life I had. This isn't limited to young parents, either. My parents were like this my entire life. It's attitude, not age.
Granted, if I knew my child was this immature and resentful (and they must have known) I probably wouldn't have told her I was going to sue for custody until the process got to the point where Casey had to know, though they probably didn't think she'd ever do anything this heinous. I can't for the life of me figure out why they're still supporting her, especially after accusing them of sexual abuse.
If you think about it, Casey had the perfect life for someone who didn't want to grow up. She could party when she wanted and play mommy when the mood struck her, or when she wanted the attention she got vicariously from parading Caylee around. Maybe her parents simply called her on her neglecting her daughter and threatened to sue for custody if she didn't start paying more attention to her daughter. Having a mother who was physically "there" but sporadic in her presence and affection would have to start effecting Caylee. She was getting old enough to wonder where mommy was and miss her.
While we may never know, it could be little Caylee wouldn't stop crying for her grandparents and Casey couldn't deal with it.
Cindie
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Believe me, I know how nasty and evil people are in this world. That is why we do not have a babysitter for Carleigh. Yes, she goes to daycare and there could be a crazy there. But the women who are working there have been there for many, many, many years. I want to get a babysitter for Carleigh, but I'm afraid to do it because of the things I read in the news of babysitters getting upset with the kids and killing them. My husband & I just don't worry about it anymore. When family does come out to visit, the grandparent's will watch Carleigh for a couple of hours. So we get a get a child-free break for a few hours once or twice a year. lol
I'm sure you know this already, but do lots, and lots, and LOTS of backround research if you indeed want a babysitter. There are some freaks out there, but there are also some angels in human form that will look after, nuture, protect, and have fun with Carleigh. :)
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Are any of you watching this today?
The prosecutor is playing the 911 calls and a phone call from jail by Casey. That phone call from jail is VERY damning. I've heard the jail call many times in the past, but to hear it with the F bombs not being bleeped? Yeah, just cold and mean. Casey did not give two shits about that little girl.
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Hey Jess....my daughter has the kids' daycare "teachers" babysit for her. There are two that Camden had and now Madelyn is in their "class" and I think she also has used one of Cam current teachers. The kids love them all and my daughter knows they will take good care of the kids. She also has them stay with the dogs ( 2 huge labs) when they go out of town.
When J was in college she worked at a "high end" daycare, and she was asked to babysit by parents quite often. She ended up leaving that job(still worked in a restaurant) and became a nanny for one set of parents. The parents were drs. and the mom was pregnant with her other kids at the daycare, and J went to work for them when the newborn was 8 weeks old when mom went back to work. She worked for them for a couple of years....much better money than the daycare paid too!!
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Been watching it off, and on. Cindy's breakdown is going to get a LOT of coverage tonight.
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Been watching it off, and on. Cindy's breakdown is going to get a LOT of coverage tonight.
Cindy had a very rough morning. Having to relive those minutes during those 911 calls had to have been very tough. I thought she was going to die of a broken heart up on the stand.
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Cindy seems like she's an enormous bitch in regular daily life if this crap weren't going on, but I honestly feel sorry for her; and George. This has to be hell on earth...
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I'm sure you know this already, but do lots, and lots, and LOTS of backround research if you indeed want a babysitter. There are some freaks out there, but there are also some angels in human form that will look after, nuture, protect, and have fun with Carleigh. :)
The only people I ever let watch Jake was my nana & pa, a friend I've know since middle school, and my sister. Didn't even let either set of parents watch them. I let my mom take him to feed the ducks at a local pond once. She was supposed to take him to get ice cream after. They went to the duck pond for about 10 minutes then she took him back to her house, made lay down on a backyard lawn chair and take a nap while she proceeded to have a few gin and tonics. Last time I ever let her do that. At least she didn't drink before.
Cindie
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anyone ever wondered if MAYBE it was Cindy that was the jealous one? of all the attention her husband paid to daughter and granddaughter?
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anyone ever wondered if MAYBE it was Cindy that was the jealous one? of all the attention her husband paid to daughter and granddaughter?
WOW Deb, here is a idea not thought of. Good going girl :cheersmate:
Also I am wondering about all the dynamics of the family. We know the brother Lee was tested to see if he was the child's father, but did they ever test the Dad???
Control issues here, seems like Cindy was the major bread winner in the family after George left his police work. George seemed to jump about looking for work perhaps because of a drinking problem that he says he stopped when Caylee was born.
I have known a couple of woman that were molested by their family members and the one thing they had in common was they had all gone to Mommy and Mommy did not believe them. [Or want to belive them and the woman were forced to grow up with a molester in the family]
Gets odd here how this works out, the daughter no longer trusts the mother to protect them, feel like they care more for the molester then themselves and in a mind bending way turn for protection and support from the molester. The Molester has to side with the daughter in all things or she may blow the whistle to someone outside the family. It becomes the Molester that takes up for them, not the mother.
Makes for a mess in the family as daughter an Molester have now bonded and when Mommy asked questions or Makes an unpopular decision she is faced down by husband and daughter that hold deep dark secrets.
Then for Cindy she must have known her daughter held something against her and went into the mind set that I have heard woman say for years, " I may not have been a good mother but I am one hell of good grandmother"
Fortuntely I can not draw on any of this from personal exprience myself--thank the Lord, But I have met people that have a bit too much to drink and out of the blue pour out their life story to anyone that will listen.
In a way Debk, this can be reversed to Caylee accidently drowning and Casey going her going to Daddy for help. Daddy has no choice but to help and screws up everything by his actions and doing stupid things just to keep his daughters mouth shut. For some reason he felt he needed to plant red herrings for the police to chase and put the duct tape on the childs mouth [ after] death.
If Caylee drowned by accident an he was to blame for leaving the ladder up, now he has the most to loose, the wrath of his wife, perhaps his daughter spillin the beans, Secerets must be kept from Cindy at all cost.
Just at this time a theory, time will tell when more evidence is brought in here.
Facinating slice of life, much like the old Mystery storys of a body found at the base of a Cliff---DID SHE JUMP OR WAS SHE PUSHED????????????
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Holy crap! I just saw footage of people running down the hall early this morning to get a seat to watch the Anthony trial. All the while whooping, and hollering like they were going to the Superbowl. Is it just me, or is that kind of disturbing...?
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Holy crap! I just saw footage of people running down the hall early this morning to get a seat to watch the Anthony trial. All the while whooping, and hollering like they were going to the Superbowl. Is it just me, or is that kind of disturbing...?
I saw that footage also..
I thought it was disgusting and ghoulish.
Also, saw a bit of Cindy's testimony from yesterday. Anybody notice she kept her eyes downward...with the lids almost closed...the whole time she was answering questions?
Grief or guilt?
I look people in the eye when I talk to them....regardless of the situation...even when I'm really upset.
Most liars will avoid eye contact with those they are lying to, especially if they aren't good liars.
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Don't know if it's an indication she was lying, because I don't usually make eye contact when I'm talking to someone even though I should. I suspect it's because of my neurologic problems. I don't know what her excuse is, or if she even has one.
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Don't know if it's an indication she was lying, because I don't usually make eye contact when I'm talking to someone even though I should. I suspect it's because of my neurologic problems. I don't know what her excuse is, or if she even has one.
I was taught at a young age, that I was to look at the person - preferably in their eyes - when I talked to them. I taught my kids the same thing.
It's the respectful thing to do. And people will also respect you in return for doing it.
Practice at it, Rev...you will soon be able to do it automatically. Even if it doesn't increase your confidence level...it will make you appear more confident to others! (I'm an expert at faking confidence! :-) )
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Holy crap! I just saw footage of people running down the hall early this morning to get a seat to watch the Anthony trial. All the while whooping, and hollering like they were going to the Superbowl. Is it just me, or is that kind of disturbing...?
I saw it too. Looked like a bunch of pre-teens running off to a Justin Beiber concert. It was sad and pathetic. I understand people want to be in the courtroom, but really? C'mon now people.
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I was taught at a young age, that I was to look at the person - preferably in their eyes - when I talked to them. I taught my kids the same thing.
It's the respectful thing to do. And people will also respect you in return for doing it.
Practice at it, Rev...you will soon be able to do it automatically. Even if it doesn't increase your confidence level...it will make you appear more confident to others! (I'm an expert at faking confidence! :-) )
Definitely look people in the eyes when you speak with them. I've had cranky customers come up to me and huffing and puffing, but when I look them in the eyes when I am asking them questions and having small chit-chat, they seem much more happier in the end.
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I've heard some of the jailhouse interrogation tapes, and I am very, very impressed with the interrogator. Casey...well, you know what I think about her. I really hope to God she is called to the stand by Prosecution, or cross-examined by them. She'll cook herself. Since she's willing to ride this thing, all the lies, deceits, and bullshit, all the way to Old Sparky anyway, she's still gonna cook. It's just a matter of time.
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I saw that footage also..
I thought it was disgusting and ghoulish.
Also, saw a bit of Cindy's testimony from yesterday. Anybody notice she kept her eyes downward...with the lids almost closed...the whole time she was answering questions?
Grief or guilt?
I look people in the eye when I talk to them....regardless of the situation...even when I'm really upset.
Most liars will avoid eye contact with those they are lying to, especially if they aren't good liars.
It just might be that she feels guilty about covering for her daughter. First it was a babysitter that took her, now she drowned in the pool. Drownings happen. It's sad but people don't tend to carry their dead children (whose death was accidental) around with them in the trunk. And what purpose would the duct tape serve on a dead child? Given the changing stories maybe mom realizes she raised a monster.
Cindie
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It might be partially that she raised a monster, but it might also possibly be that Casey had her cerebral wires crossed at birth. Who the hel knows? I know that Aileen Wournos' brain was kept for studying, because she was crazy as a bedbug. She showed it in every media appearance she made. Maybe they'll keep Casey's brain to study how a sociopath is born, thinks, acts, etc more in-depth.
This whole case is a whole web of questions, a few answers, and a whole lot of pissed off people thus far.
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It might be partially that she raised a monster, but it might also possibly be that Casey had her cerebral wires crossed at birth. Who the hel knows? I know that Aileen Wournos' brain was kept for studying, because she was crazy as a bedbug. She showed it in every media appearance she made. Maybe they'll keep Casey's brain to study how a sociopath is born, thinks, acts, etc more in-depth.
This whole case is a whole web of questions, a few answers, and a whole lot of pissed off people thus far.
Casey Anthony is most likely a psychopath, like Eric Harris or Jeffrey Dahmer.
http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/
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Interesting, Tarmy. Very interesting...
The acting-out is often dramatic, intrusive, manipulative, generally indifferent to others, and very likely to escalate until limits are externally imposed or personal resources are exhausted.
As referenced throughout this case, and especially in the jailhouse tapes, Anthony's "C's" are off the charts. This link is pretty darn good info.
However, I may be wrong, but isn't there a fine line between "psycho" and "socio" path?
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Casey Anthony is most likely a psychopath, like Eric Harris or Jeffrey Dahmer.
http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/
Casey is closer to a sociopath than a psychopath.
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Interesting, Tarmy. Very interesting...
As referenced throughout this case, and especially in the jailhouse tapes, Anthony's "C's" are off the charts. This link is pretty darn good info.
However, I may be wrong, but isn't there a fine line between "psycho" and "socio" path?
Sociopath is another word for antisocial. Antisocial people are often psychopaths from what I understand. There are some differences between the two. It is possible for one to be both a sociopath and psychopath.
1. Sociopaths are very charming.
2. Sociopaths can be extremely manipulative and will try to con you whenever possible.
3. Sociopaths feel that they are entitled to everything.
4. Sociopaths will lie continuously to get what they want. They can even sometimes manipulate a lie detector.
5. Sociopaths have no remorse, shame or guilt.
6. Sociopaths will show love and happiness only when it serves their purpose. None of the feelings are genuine.
7. Sociopaths have no room for love in their life.
8. Sociopaths need to have excitement in their lives or live on the edge.
9. Sociopaths have lack of empathy hen their victims suffer pain that they have caused.
10. Sociopaths believe that they are all mightier than tho, there is no concern on how their behavior impacts others.
11. Sociopaths usually have a long history of juvenile delinquency as well as behavior problems.
12. Sociopaths will never take blame for anything they have done to anyone no matter if it is family or friend.
13. Sociopaths have many sexual partners and tend to act out many sexual acts.
14. Sociopaths rarely stay in one place for a long time (home/work).
15. Sociopaths will change themselves if they know it will keep them from being found out.
1. Psychopaths use superficial charm to lure their victims.
2. Psychopaths are extremely self-centered.
3. Psychopaths must always do something to keep themselves from boredom.
4. Psychopaths are very deceptive and tend to lie continuously.
5. Psychopaths show no remorse of guilt towards their victims.
6. Psychopaths are very predatory and usually will live off other people.
7. Psychopaths have many sexual partners in their lifetime.
8. Psychopaths are very impulsive with their lifestyle.
9. Psychopaths are always blaming other people for their actions.
10. Psychopaths never have a realistic view of their lives. (king of the world or from another planet)
11. Psychopaths always want psychological gratification in sexual and criminal activities.
12. Psychopaths tend to try suicide, rarely succeeding.
From the list, Casey Anthony is more of a sociopath with psychopathic characteristics.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1013712/sociopath_vs_psychopath_there_is_a.html?cat=72
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_2.htm
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My understanding is that a sociopath is a person who is unable to relate to other people. They cannot feel empathy and other people's suffering doesn't register with them so if their actions cause another pain they don't feel remorse.
A psychopath, as far as I understand, actually enjoys the suffering of others.
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My understanding is that a sociopath is a person who is unable to relate to other people. They cannot feel empathy and other people's suffering doesn't register with them so if their actions cause another pain they don't feel remorse.
A psychopath, as far as I understand, actually enjoys the suffering of others.
Sounds about right. A sociopath can be a psychopath. A lot of serial killers and dictators are sociopaths and psychopaths.
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I saw that footage also..
I thought it was disgusting and ghoulish.
Also, saw a bit of Cindy's testimony from yesterday. Anybody notice she kept her eyes downward...with the lids almost closed...the whole time she was answering questions?
Grief or guilt?
I look people in the eye when I talk to them....regardless of the situation...even when I'm really upset.
Most liars will avoid eye contact with those they are lying to, especially if they aren't good liars.
Debk, culture at times gets in the way of our preceptions.
I am reminded about a young Latino girl hauled into the principals office accused of something and the principal believed she was guilty because she kept her head down and would not look him in the eye.
Come to find out in the childs culture no child would look an adult in the eye under those curcumstances as it would denote disrespect and perhaps a challenge to authoriety.
Eye to eye contact in their culture was a now we fight message. A huge mark of disrespect for authoriety.
For our culture eye to eye contact can mean many things, telling the truth or telling a lie. Shame or embaresement plays in here, Cindy may have been so full or regrets and she was afraid to do more then cry and keep her head down.
Casey on the other hand is an ignemia, she sits looking at everyone, no shame, no feeling of guilt, she is preparing herself for battle with everyone, holds her head up high and sends a message of "Bring it on big boys I have a surprise for you".
Now whats with the way George speaks to his daughter???? Has he all ways greated her with Hi Beautiful, has he all ways used the words SweetHeart when they spoke at home?????
Cindy uses endering terms to Casey, mothers do that, but I have to wonder if feeling she was an unfit mother if she used those terms at home.
Is this what Casey wanted to hear from her parents all along ,but only her child was showered with these words of indearment.???? She their daughter was now worthless and her child was placed before her, to be loved and cared for and she was to be discarded from their lives as trash ?????
Amazing the tapes of the jail house talks on how Casey kept the death of her child from everyone.
The trial is young, Casey and lawyers have some block busting things to bring up and I cannot wait for the defence.
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Watching the Casey Anthony trial, there is closed caption on what is said for those hard of hearing.
However as this case may make history in our courts and it is all so frustrating to see the lips move with no sound, the Judge side bars and the lawyers talking to the defendant .
You have the talent and the ability to lip read, you and others that can do so know more about what is going on in this one of a kind case.
Can you just now and then interject a comment of import of what is being said by the defendant or the judge to give us more knowledge into this ???
I do not ask you to take sides, one cannot do so as the defendant is innocent until pr oven guilty, but for us hanging on by our boot straps to this case could use a bit of a heads up on what the defence will spring on us.
The defence attorney looks like a shark ready to attack, what is he telling his client or her to him----only you would know.
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Why is this in BN?????? :???: :thatsright: :???: :thatsright: :???:
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Merged with the current CA thread.
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Watching the Casey Anthony trial, there is closed caption on what is said for those hard of hearing.
However as this case may make history in our courts and it is all so frustrating to see the lips move with no sound, the Judge side bars and the lawyers talking to the defendant .
You have the talent and the ability to lip read, you and others that can do so know more about what is going on in this one of a kind case.
Can you just now and then interject a comment of import of what is being said by the defendant or the judge to give us more knowledge into this ???
I do not ask you to take sides, one cannot do so as the defendant is innocent until pr oven guilty, but for us hanging on by our boot straps to this case could use a bit of a heads up on what the defence will spring on us.
The defence attorney looks like a shark ready to attack, what is he telling his client or her to him----only you would know.
Casey is saying things like, "that's not true"and "that's a lie" who else are you wondering about?
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Casey is saying things like, "that's not true"and "that's a lie" who else are you wondering about?
I would like to know what her Lawyers are telling her, not so much what she is telling them.
The side bars with the judge, what he is allowing or not to come into testimony and curious about why some things are allowed in court and others not.
American justice at it's finest, the defendant is INNOCENT, it is the Prosecution that must prove her guilt.
We by standers may be baying for the blood of someone we may think is guilty, but by American courts tell us, they are innocent by law and deserve the best defence they can get.
This is America, we are not some 3'd world country that hangs people for what we think they may have done.
This trial is still in the beginning stages, the defence has yet to speak, yet there are those that cannot want to hear the whole story, want to burn her at the stake without hearing all evidence.
Hang in there there is much to come, she may or may not be guilty but this soon into the trial is no time to say " Fry the Bitch"
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While this trial is still in it's very young stages, there are those that have formed their opinions, because they have kept up with this case from the beginning. One is me. The other is Jess. Of course she gets a fair triel, and is (as of now) innocent. This is after all, our way. HOWEVER, Looking at how Biaz is screwing the pooch thus far, I think Casey has little hope. Looking at all the evidence thus far, I don't think the prosecution will have much trouble convincing the jury. I think this woman is guilty as the sun is bright, and nothing is going to change my mind unless Biaz, and Co can pull some kind of miraculous, tye-dye rabbit out of his ass. So I have no problem saying "Let the bitch fry."
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I think she's got narcissistic personality disorder as well. Not everyone with a personality disorder murders their children. Here in Oregon we had Diane Downs, she's worse than Casey Anthony by far. Farah Fawcett played her in a miniseries. It was an absolute knockout performance. There's also a book by Ann Rule called "Small Sacrifices". Chilling.
Cindie
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I haven't been keeping up with the trial, but it's my understanding that the defense is claiming that Caylee drowned in the pool. If so, have they suggested a reason why she would have duct tape on her? The last I checked duct tape has many uses but I can think of none that would involve a drowning victim.
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I think she's got narcissistic personality disorder as well. Not everyone with a personality disorder murders their children. Here in Oregon we had Diane Downs, she's worse than Casey Anthony by far. Farah Fawcett played her in a miniseries. It was an absolute knockout performance. There's also a book by Ann Rule called "Small Sacrifices". Chilling.
Cindie
I read about Diane Downs. She is quite something. Downs also had histrionic personality disorder as well. She is an attention whore of the worst kind. Downs is a real psychopath. Casey Anthony reminds me of Downs. There are differences with them. Another disturbing case is Gertrude Baniszewski. She tortured Sylvia Likens in Indiana in 1965. Baniszewski was a religious nutcase and raging psychopath as well.
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I read about Diane Downs. She is quite something. Downs also had histrionic personality disorder as well. She is an attention whore of the worst kind. Downs is a real psychopath. Casey Anthony reminds me of Downs. There are differences with them. Another disturbing case is Gertrude Baniszewski. She tortured Sylvia Likens in Indiana in 1965. Baniszewski was a religious nutcase and raging psychopath as well.
What do you think of the Judge, do you think he is fair to both party's????
When the State first entered the jail house tapes, the defence roared no way, they had not had a chance to examine them.
The Judge just smiled, looked at the defence table and said " I see 5 lawyers for the defendant, you have had 4 months to examine them, you have had your chance and did not take it, the tapes go into evidence."
Now I wonder if Casey is found guilty, she can request another trial on the grounds she did not have adequate representation.
For some reason I keep an eye on Casey's lawyers, they are an interesting bunch. The older lawyer is well seasoned calm and collected. He reminds me of the lawyers portrayed on TV, the ones that are use to winning a case.
Her main lawyer is the exact opposite, a bundle of nerves, at side bars he rocks back and forth kind of unnerving to watch, reminds me of one of my kids that would do the same as they tried to lie their way out of trouble. That semi smirk he gets and his body posture are pure theater.
In a way he reminds me of Casey herself, a lie, cheat and steal to get what he wants and a I am smarter then anyone else. Has this lawyer been watching the movie Chicago one too many times, when does he begin to tap dance, is he just warming up with a slow soft shoe so far?????
I would think this trial will be shown to students in law school and those in school studying mental health for the next 25-50 years or more. Oh yes I forgot, all agency's that teach their experts on how to testify for the State.
Only court case I can think of that comes close to being this interesting is to read the transcripts of the trial of the kidnappers of the Limbaugh Baby. Lizzie Bordon just fell out of place for number one as to odd court cases.
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I would like to know what her Lawyers are telling her, not so much what she is telling them.
The side bars with the judge, what he is allowing or not to come into testimony and curious about why some things are allowed in court and others not.
American justice at it's finest, the defendant is INNOCENT, it is the Prosecution that must prove her guilt.
We by standers may be baying for the blood of someone we may think is guilty, but by American courts tell us, they are innocent by law and deserve the best defence they can get.
This is America, we are not some 3'd world country that hangs people for what we think they may have done.
This trial is still in the beginning stages, the defence has yet to speak, yet there are those that cannot want to hear the whole story, want to burn her at the stake without hearing all evidence.
Hang in there there is much to come, she may or may not be guilty but this soon into the trial is no time to say " Fry the Bitch"
I could ask my friend who just graduated law school about the side bar stuff and why certain things are not allowed to be presented in court. Just let me know if you want to know and I'll get back to you as soon as she tells me.
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I haven't been keeping up with the trial, but it's my understanding that the defense is claiming that Caylee drowned in the pool. If so, have they suggested a reason why she would have duct tape on her? The last I checked duct tape has many uses but I can think of none that would involve a drowning victim.
They have tried to imply that Casey's father, Caylee's grandfather is responsible for the duct tape. They said Caylee drown, George Anthony (father of Casey, grandfather of Caylee) found the baby's body and presented it to Casey. He then yelled at Casey... 'Look what you did, you're mother will never forgive you.. blah blah blah' Then they skipped right to the reason Casey didn't report it and the reason she was out clubbing and lying about where her whereabouts was because her father sexually abused her. They didn't directly say George disposed of the body, but that was the implication. They tried to link the duct tape to George.
Their theory makes no sense. If it was an accident, why would Casey hide it. If Casey is a whack job and didn't report it because her father controls her, why would her father want to hide it? Even if her father tried to hide it, why would he put duct tape on the baby?
I think they are just floundering around for any theory or idea that might cast Casey in a sympathetic light and possibly save her from the death penalty. They have grabbed on to the sexual abuse idea in an attempt to make Casey a victim. JMO
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http://hubpages.com/hub/caseyanthony
I went way the heck ago in the internet wayback machine to see what was going on BEFORE Cayle's body was found.
George and Cindy were up to their butt in bills, Casey stole a credit card from a parent and ran up $12,000. This some believe was the reason for the big blow up the night before the baby went missing. She may have been asked to leave the home thinking she would leave Caylee behind, but as she told her brother, perhaps she took Caylee for spite.
2 police officers from the Orlando Police Department, one fired the other resigned for having sex with Casey.
Much discussion about the Studio Casey worked at for a time to do with possible prosutution/drugs involving protection from the Police.
Facts that George had for 10+ years worked as Head Homicide Detective before moving to Florida.
Zanny the Nanny ----Zanny is street talk for XnaX.
Little stuff such as Cindy telling Lee to throw out anything donated if it smelled of cigarette smoke, bet she would not have thrown away a 100 dollar bill no matter what it smelled like.
Talk of the Bounty Hunter that bailed Casey out of jail---a relative of his was also on the police department. Casey went back to jail ONLY because of charges of check fraud by her friend. This time for only $300.00 she could have been bailed out but her parents did not want her home again.
This blog with posters giving view points last year as this developed brought up all kinds of tidbits of news reported at the time and forgotten the next day.
All kinds of false leads, George riding about town with signs on his truck asking for donations to a Caylee fund, having huge temper tantrums, and some though Casey's lawyer was representing her for free.
Did they check George for DNA matching Caseys or Carlees ????
Interesting this now gives me a new view of how to watch the trial.
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http://hubpages.com/hub/caseyanthony
I went way the heck ago in the internet wayback machine to see what was going on BEFORE Cayle's body was found.
George and Cindy were up to their butt in bills, Casey stole a credit card from a parent and ran up $12,000. This some believe was the reason for the big blow up the night before the baby went missing. She may have been asked to leave the home thinking she would leave Caylee behind, but as she told her brother, perhaps she took Caylee for spite.
2 police officers from the Orlando Police Department, one fired the other resigned for having sex with Casey.
Much discussion about the Studio Casey worked at for a time to do with possible prosutution/drugs involving protection from the Police.
Facts that George had for 10+ years worked as Head Homicide Detective before moving to Florida.
Zanny the Nanny ----Zanny is street talk for XnaX.
Little stuff such as Cindy telling Lee to throw out anything donated if it smelled of cigarette smoke, bet she would not have thrown away a 100 dollar bill no matter what it smelled like.
Talk of the Bounty Hunter that bailed Casey out of jail---a relative of his was also on the police department. Casey went back to jail ONLY because of charges of check fraud by her friend. This time for only $300.00 she could have been bailed out but her parents did not want her home again.
This blog with posters giving view points last year as this developed brought up all kinds of tidbits of news reported at the time and forgotten the next day.
All kinds of false leads, George riding about town with signs on his truck asking for donations to a Caylee fund, having huge temper tantrums, and some though Casey's lawyer was representing her for free.
Did they check George for DNA matching Caseys or Carlees ????
Interesting this now gives me a new view of how to watch the trial.
None of this is new information.
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None of this is new information.
Most of this is all new information to me, had little idea about the trial until it started. Naturally I had heard about it but all the National news over took a missing child in Florida.
I cannot remember how I became more interested in this case then world events that directly effect us all, but shit happens, now I am hooked.
The trial is on lunch break for an hour or so, very interesting about the Body Farm.
I have a couple books on this facility but they never were as clear or informative as the Dr. on the stand.
One thing I believe is oh so odd, behind the States table in the second row sits far left---ON CNN/Live, a young woman that looks so much like Casey I began to watch her. She disappears from time to time, weak bladder??
So I watch the Gallery, the Judge, all in the Legal Field, those that Testify, and switch back and forth between True TV and CNN on the PC.
Most everything is new to me EC, I have never been in a courtroom, what I have seen was on Court TV and with ads cutting in, missed much.
Going back to the ideas and attitudes before the baby was found was a big thing for me, darn, who who would have guessed all the drama, The family acting against common sense and training. Cops being fired, bounty hunters, regretting bailing her out.
This trial is a learning experience for us all, how the LAW works, a dark look into human nature, and for me finding out information on the build up to the crime, not so much as the moment it happend but what lead up to a child being killed.
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The trial is on lunch break for an hour or so, very interesting about the Body Farm.
I have a couple books on this facility but they never were as clear or informative as the Dr. on the stand.
Vesta ... The Body Farm is located here in Knoxville where I live and was started by Dr Jefferson Bass. He has started a fiction series of books, since he retired.
You might want to look for them on Amazon. They are pretty good.
Dr Bass, in real life, is a bit of a character, quite low-key if you were to meet him, and a pretty good sense of humor too. Though he changes the names of locales a bit, in his books, to those of us around here, they are identifiable, and he's quite good describing some of East Tn's quirky citizenry.
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This trial is a learning experience for us all, how the LAW works, a dark look into human nature, and for me finding out information on the build up to the crime, not so much as the moment it happend but what lead up to a child being killed.
Not really.
Don't break the law. Don't murder someone and you won't end up in a situation like Casey.
But yes, I want to know what the hell set off Casey to the point where she felt the need to murder poor little Caylee. I doubt we will ever know.
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I don't care what the parents did (if even half the stories are true), nothing justifies killing your child. I don't know their family's problems were any different than those of your average family. Theirs are just on display and dissected.
Cindie
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I don't care what the parents did (if even half the stories are true), nothing justifies killing your child. I don't know their family's problems were any different than those of your average family. Theirs are just on display and dissected.
Cindie
This is NOT the average family Delilah, the father was a Homicide Cop top man in his department for 10 years. His wife a nurse that had to somewhere down the line in her training run across the smell of death.
Their daughter and granddaughter had gone missing and they both recognised the smell of death in her car.
What do they do, father goes to work, mother washes granddaughters pants because of the smell and both ignore that at some time someone who had died had been in the car.
They know full well something dreadfull happend in their daughters car to someone.
The majority of people with 2 family members missing will call the police to find them and do a wellfare check on them. The majority of people will when receiving the car used by those family members and find a dreadfull smell coming from it will get on the phone for 911.
After weeks of this the Mother tracks down her daughter and finds she has not seen her 3 year old daughter in over a month.
All hell breaks out, the mother looses control and Finally calls the cops.
Question, the father knew the cops in town as did Casey as she was screwing at least 2 of them.
WTF----Everyone knew the cops in this family, the father was a bit of an expert on homicides, the mother a Nurse who had to have known the smell of decomposition of a human and the daughter who was having sex with a few cops and the story is the Nanny kidnapped the baby over a month ago ???
Give me a break, no very poor ghetto be it Black, Latino or Asian has churned out people like this upper class white family. Few society's that are illiterate, poor and destined to remained so for life act as a family in the fashion of this family.
Sad, but I would rather associate with street people, people down on their luck that are Human beings then this family of Education and good Reputation.
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Give me a break, no very poor ghetto be it Black, Latino or Asian has churned out people like this upper class white family
Oh Vesta, the Anthony's were just a middle class family. Like pretty much all of us on this website. What makes you think they are "upper class"?
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This is NOT the average family Delilah, the father was a Homicide Cop top man in his department for 10 years. His wife a nurse that had to somewhere down the line in her training run across the smell of death.
Their daughter and granddaughter had gone missing and they both recognised the smell of death in her car.
What do they do, father goes to work, mother washes granddaughters pants because of the smell and both ignore that at some time someone who had died had been in the car.
They know full well something dreadfull happend in their daughters car to someone.
Thus, the grandmother calling the police when she smelled it. I'm not sure what the grandfather going to work has to do with it. They had to have money to live on. Even in the middle of a crisis people have things the must do.
The majority of people with 2 family members missing will call the police to find them and do a wellfare check on them. The majority of people will when receiving the car used by those family members and find a dreadfull smell coming from it will get on the phone for 911.
After weeks of this the Mother tracks down her daughter and finds she has not seen her 3 year old daughter in over a month.
Exactly, the tantrum throwing daughter whose probably done this kind of thing since middle school, turned up. Caylee didn't. Casey had a ready story. Should they have believed her? Probably not given her history but she's still their baby and I think they desperately wanted to believe that Caylee was still alive and their daughter wasn't lying.
All hell breaks out, the mother looses control and Finally calls the cops.
Not quite. As soon as she smelled the trunk she called the cops. The hell broke loose before, that's why Casey left, supposedly.
Question, the father knew the cops in town as did Casey as she was screwing at least 2 of them.
WTF----Everyone knew the cops in this family, the father was a bit of an expert on homicides, the mother a Nurse who had to have known the smell of decomposition of a human and the daughter who was having sex with a few cops and the story is the Nanny kidnapped the baby over a month ago ???
I only heard she was sleeping with one cop, but that's neither here nor there. Just because she was sleeping with a cop doesn't mean he smelled her trunk. It's not a common activity before having sex. And the fact you keep missing as when Cindy noticed the smell of death she immediately called the police. And we actually don't know what went on inside the home. Maybe the grandfather smelled it first and had his wife smell it too. Maybe Casey parked it on the street away from the house so the grandparents never went near it.
Give me a break, no very poor ghetto be it Black, Latino or Asian has churned out people like this upper class white family. Few society's that are illiterate, poor and destined to remained so for life act as a family in the fashion of this family.
Sad, but I would rather associate with street people, people down on their luck that are Human beings then this family of Education and good Reputation.
They aren't upper class, they're middle class. Parents do the best they can but they aren't perfect. Evidently they have a son who isn't the train wreck their daughter is so they aren't all bad parents. I had a black sheep too, and while he was a challenge to raise, my other son was the polar opposite, a dream child. We can't judge a situation we see from the outside. Family dynamics are complicated.
Cindie
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On a light note here amongst all this Murder most foul.
HUBBY who has not watched anything of the trial came home early. I had CNN/LIVE on the PC.
He just glanced at the screen and remarked, "are you watching old sit Com's of Night Court??"
For gosh sake that Lawyer for Casey does now remind me of the inept lawyer Dan on that show.
I don't know how I will get around all this, I now must wonder if on court breaks he has some woman in the broom closet.
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On a light note here amongst all this Murder most foul.
HUBBY who has not watched anything of the trial came home early. I had CNN/LIVE on the PC.
He just glanced at the screen and remarked, "are you watching old sit Com's of Night Court??"
For gosh sake that Lawyer for Casey does now remind me of the inept lawyer Dan on that show.
I don't know how I will get around all this, I now must wonder if on court breaks he has some woman in the broom closet.
Drink another one, Vesta.
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Testimony starts in a half hour. Either today or tomorrow should be the last day of the Prosecution's case. They kind of screwed up though. The examiner who saw the heart shaped sticker on the tape didn't take a pic of it for evidence. When she thought to do so, it was too late. IMO, that's a big no-no.
I also saw Geraldo, and Pirro arguing very heatedly last night on Hannity about whether or not Casey should recieve the death penalty. He compared this case to the other Florda slayer Aileen Wournos, and said Casey DIDN'T deserve it. Um, correct me if I'm wrong Rivera, but didn't Aileen kill fully grown men as opposed to a sweet, innocent child?
What an ass.
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Here is my opinion:
The heart shaped residue on the duct tape. NOT A BIG DEAL if there was no picture taken right away. There was still a huge strip of duct tape over Caylee's nose and mouth. That's enough evidence right there. I agree it was a big no-no and wish the investigator would have taken a picture.
Death penalty. If the state can place Caylee in the trunk of Casey's car, then I think the state will be able to get the death penalty. No parent or grandparent is going to drive around with a dead child in the trunk of their car for a couple of days before trying to hide the body. Casey tried to bury Caylee in the backyard around her playhouse. Two different cadaver dogs hit in the same area. They are the dogs that only hit on decomposition.
Burying Caylee in the backyard was too much work for Casey. I think Casey put the duct tape on Caylee's face AFTER she died but BEFORE dumping her body in the woods.
If Casey does not get the death penalty, she will still be in jail for life. The jail better put her in with the general population after the case is over. She has been in the protective area before the trial. Casey will get what's coming to her once she's with the general population.
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Testimony starts in a half hour. Either today or tomorrow should be the last day of the Prosecution's case. They kind of screwed up though. The examiner who saw the heart shaped sticker on the tape didn't take a pic of it for evidence. When she thought to do so, it was too late. IMO, that's a big no-no.
I also saw Geraldo, and Pirro arguing very heatedly last night on Hannity about whether or not Casey should recieve the death penalty. He compared this case to the other Florda slayer Aileen Wournos, and said Casey DIDN'T deserve it. Um, correct me if I'm wrong Rivera, but didn't Aileen kill fully grown men as opposed to a sweet, innocent child?
What an ass.
Aileen Wuornos was a serial killer who killed only men. 40 to 65. Not a child killer, like John Wayne Gacy, Dean Corll, Wayne Williams, or Jeffrey Dahmer. Only common thing Anthony and Wuornos have are that both were caught in Florida, but were not born in the state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos
Her last quote before death.
Yes, I would just like to say I'm sailing with the rock, and I'll be back, like Independence Day with Jesus. June 6, like the movie. Big mother ship and all, I'll be back, I'll be back."
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Received my wish.
The tattoo artist is the last witness for the state of Florida. :)
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I guess I haven't been following this. What's the story on the tatto artist?
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I guess I haven't been following this. What's the story on the tatto artist?
Casey got a tattoo on her back that read Bella Vita (Beautiful Life) in Italian while Caylee was "missing".
I'm really annoyed because HLN cut to their commercial and news breaks while this artist was testifying. I missed the whole damn thing.
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Yeah, and on truTV, "In Session" was already over.
And Ptarmigan, her final comments were chilling. I actually have done a fair amount of research on Aileen. Lots of Youtube vids about her, and she just looked plain f'ed up. She certainly wasn't right. I have heard her brain was preserved for the purpose of study. I wonder if Casey will have the same done to her.
If Casey does not get the death penalty, she will still be in jail for life. The jail better put her in with the general population after the case is over. She has been in the protective area before the trial. Casey will get what's coming to her once she's with the general population.
No way Casey gets put in General Pop. As much as I hope it happens if she does not get the ultimate, deserved punishment, she'll be locked up tight in isolation. And if this case happens to end like OJ's case did...I think there will be another homicide court case on the horizon.
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I don't think they will give her the death penalty or find her guilty because the jurors are afraid the whites in Orlando and other Florida cities will riot.
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You'd find Julia Stiles guilty of....something, though, wouldn't you, Mama? :lmao:
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You'd find Julia Stiles guilty of....something, though, wouldn't you, Mama? :lmao:
Yes, of being a stupid whore.
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+1 for the levity. :rotf:
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Yeah, and on truTV, "In Session" was already over.
And Ptarmigan, her final comments were chilling. I actually have done a fair amount of research on Aileen. Lots of Youtube vids about her, and she just looked plain f'ed up. She certainly wasn't right. I have heard her brain was preserved for the purpose of study. I wonder if Casey will have the same done to her.
No way Casey gets put in General Pop. As much as I hope it happens if she does not get the ultimate, deserved punishment, she'll be locked up tight in isolation. And if this case happens to end like OJ's case did...I think there will be another homicide court case on the horizon.
I have read that Aileen Wuornos was diagnosed with borderline and antisocial personality disorder. I have read that Casey Anthony likely has antisocial, narcissistic, borderline, and histrionic personality disorder. I have heard that Anthony may have Asperger's but I seriously doubt it.
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The fact remains that they are/were both extremely f'ed up. It's just to what degree. Aileen was physically, and very visibly messed up. Casey is not quite as much visibly, but more internally, and it comes out, IMO.
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The fact remains that they are/were both extremely f'ed up. It's just to what degree. Aileen was physically, and very visibly messed up. Casey is not quite as much visibly, but more internally, and it comes out, IMO.
Logically I can understand that but I just can't get past the whole killing your baby thing. Casey did NOT have the screwed up life Wournos had. That's not an excuse, just an explanation. And the guys who AW killed were visiting a prostitute which is illegal in most places. That was a choice. Caylee didn't have one. Still, it's amazing that they could have such similar character flaws since Casey has probably been waaaaay over indulged growing up and Aileen's childhood was abusive and neglectful.
Cindie
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Casey got a tattoo on her back that read Bella Vita (Beautiful Life) in Italian while Caylee was "missing".
I'm really annoyed because HLN cut to their commercial and news breaks while this artist was testifying. I missed the whole damn thing.
You can watch it on streaming without commercial interruption.
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The fact remains that they are/were both extremely f'ed up. It's just to what degree. Aileen was physically, and very visibly messed up. Casey is not quite as much visibly, but more internally, and it comes out, IMO.
Wuornos was just plain sick. Anthony is just as screwed up in her head. Her family is clearly obsessed with attention.
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You can watch it on streaming without commercial interruption.
Can I watch parts that were played two days ago? I'm at work Wed-Sun, so I miss all day Wed-Sat. The only way I know what's happening is highlights from those days I am at work.
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Can I watch parts that were played two days ago? I'm at work Wed-Sun, so I miss all day Wed-Sat. The only way I know what's happening is highlights from those days I am at work.
It's the Orlando Sentinel website. They have a bunch of highlight clips, and stream court proceedings live. I don't know if you can see previous days, except for the clips.
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It's the Orlando Sentinel website. They have a bunch of highlight clips, and stream court proceedings live. I don't know if you can see previous days, except for the clips.
That's what I thought.
I'll have to watch online next week. HLN has way too many commercial breaks and TruTV airs the trial on a delay. There were many parts of the trial I have missed.
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What a humdinger this is, much like watching combatants in a boxing ring. at stake is the life of a young woman and the battle goes on.
I find it interesting the face of Casey so rock solid little emotion--------- then the cameras pictures as they they scan the parents with the Father with the same look on his face. Both Father and daughter have that same look, no emotion or any kind or expression or real interest in what is going on. Both stone cold to everything but to when the the parents left the Court when the gruesome pictures came up.
Casey's Mother seldom raises her head to show interest, is she writing a book on all that is happening??
Father has been acused of molesting Casey, then why the the hatred of Casey toward her mother.
Somewhere in here a baby was murdered-----Why, for what reason, was this an accident covered up to protect the family.????
Most interesting, would you or I having a child in the family missing getting access to to a car that we knew by experience knew smelled of death, so do we ignore this smell, go to work and drive home with all windows open as the smell was so bad?
Say George, your daughter and granddaughter have been missing for a month. You worked for 10 years as a Homicide Dectective, been there seen it. Now you come across the car that was driven by your missing daughter and the smell of decomposing bodys is so strong you have to drive home with all windows open.
Your family is missing and you know some human body was in the car, so you bring the car home, park it and drive in another car off to work.
What the hell is George doing being not being part of their case.
Fantastic theater here, not sure if this will ever show he truth, may be 50 years from now we may be asking "" What really what happend to Cayle."???
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There was a small article in the paper this morning, reported from yesterday's testimony, that the "smell" from the trunk was general garbage smell and the residue was not human biological material.
I'm not watching the trial, and have only seen bits and pieces on the news, but I would venture a guess that Casey's attorney has drilled it into her, to not show any expression. Opposing attorneys will use body language for interpreting the person's emotions and judges and juries are looking for it too.
I was so fortunate to have a 4-day divorce trial, and my attorney told me to be as expressionless as possible, no crossing the arms, no hanging my head, etc. I became very good at twiddling the heck out of paperclips and went through lots of them during that time, as they don't hold up very well under sustained pressure. ::)
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There was a small article in the paper this morning, reported from yesterday's testimony, that the "smell" from the trunk was general garbage smell and the residue was not human biological material.
I'm not watching the trial, and have only seen bits and pieces on the news, but I would venture a guess that Casey's attorney has drilled it into her, to not show any expression. Opposing attorneys will use body language for interpreting the person's emotions and judges and juries are looking for it too.
I was so fortunate to have a 4-day divorce trial, and my attorney told me to be as expressionless as possible, no crossing the arms, no hanging my head, etc. I became very good at twiddling the heck out of paperclips and went through lots of them during that time, as they don't hold up very well under sustained pressure. ::)
Debk, I am most interested in this Defence wittiness Dr. Werner Spitz, Seems like on a search for him he has stuck his nose in quite a few high Media trials.
He mentioned going to Medical school in Berlin in 1946, this raised a red flag as if he was Jewish how did he survive the Nazi. Is or was he a German Citizen as a child ??? If Christian was he part of the Hitler Youth Movement???
Yup, these old German Doctors were trained at the camps in Germany and many studied under Mangler.
So I did a search on him and his life , where he was born, who were his parents, how he became interested in medicine and later Pathology, later forensic Pathology.
So far Zip as to what I found. Perhaps I need better skills in doing a search.
Debk, can you or anyone else reading this find on the web the background of this man.???
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Debk, I am most interested in this Defence wittiness Dr. Werner Spitz, Seems like on a search for him he has stuck his nose in quite a few high Media trials.
He mentioned going to Medical school in Berlin in 1946, this raised a red flag as if he was Jewish how did he survive the Nazi. Is or was he a German Citizen as a child ??? If Christian was he part of the Hitler Youth Movement???
Yup, these old German Doctors were trained at the camps in Germany and many studied under Mangler.
So I did a search on him and his life , where he was born, who were his parents, how he became interested in medicine and later Pathology, later forensic Pathology.
So far Zip as to what I found. Perhaps I need better skills in doing a search.
Debk, can you or anyone else reading this find on the web the background of this man.???
I had thought that he was in Berlin in the 60s.
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I had thought that he was in Berlin in the 60s.
Nope, perhaps he went back to Berlin but when he testified he said he began medical school in 1946 in Berlin for 4 years and then went out of country in 1950.
This is the most interesting person so far in the trial, he Carry's a skull with him to court to screw and and screw the the top and attack the findings of other Dr's who disagree with him.
He Had a shit fit when challenged on his findings, poor man was almost frothing at he mouth to be questioned on his findings. As he said the first autopsy was sloppy, unprofessional and out of line with proper procedures.
I kind of got a kick when he mentioned at least twice that the skull was not a plaster piece but actually a real skull real human bone. He seemed to take great pride in owning a skull from a former living human.----Especially as he had it modified to be able to unscrew the top much like opening a jar of pickles and rescrewing the top.
World renowned Scientist, over 80 years old with 4 books to his credit and the last 20 some odd years being in the spotlight for big media story's of blood and mayham.
Question remains--who is he, where did he come from, still cannot find anything about him before he went to medical school in 1946.
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There was a small article in the paper this morning, reported from yesterday's testimony, that the "smell" from the trunk was general garbage smell and the residue was not human biological material.
I'm not watching the trial, and have only seen bits and pieces on the news, but I would venture a guess that Casey's attorney has drilled it into her, to not show any expression. Opposing attorneys will use body language for interpreting the person's emotions and judges and juries are looking for it too.
I was so fortunate to have a 4-day divorce trial, and my attorney told me to be as expressionless as possible, no crossing the arms, no hanging my head, etc. I became very good at twiddling the heck out of paperclips and went through lots of them during that time, as they don't hold up very well under sustained pressure. ::)
The investigators have said the car STILL smells like decomposition two years later. Garbage would not stink two years later. They (defense) is trying to use the "garbage" smell to get Casey off of the death penalty.
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Nope, perhaps he went back to Berlin but when he testified he said he began medical school in 1946 in Berlin for 4 years and then went out of country in 1950.
This is the most interesting person so far in the trial, he Carry's a skull with him to court to screw and and screw the the top and attack the findings of other Dr's who disagree with him.
He Had a shit fit when challenged on his findings, poor man was almost frothing at he mouth to be questioned on his findings. As he said the first autopsy was sloppy, unprofessional and out of line with proper procedures.
I kind of got a kick when he mentioned at least twice that the skull was not a plaster piece but actually a real skull real human bone. He seemed to take great pride in owning a skull from a former living human.----Especially as he had it modified to be able to unscrew the top much like opening a jar of pickles and rescrewing the top.
World renowned Scientist, over 80 years old with 4 books to his credit and the last 20 some odd years being in the spotlight for big media story's of blood and mayham.
Question remains--who is he, where did he come from, still cannot find anything about him before he went to medical school in 1946.
I went back and listened. You're wrong unless Germany and Switzerland has someone become the same.
Medical School: University of Geneva, Switzerland 1946 to 1950
Hebrew University Medical School in Jerusalem Graduated in 1953
One year internship at above university
Five years of residency
Left US in 1961 to spend 2 years in Berlin
Check the clip below
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p02G4myd0Fk&feature=related[/youtube]
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Interesting article..
http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2011/06/05/casey-anthony-trial-qod-who-is-jose-baez/
I think Casey Anthony could win an appeal based on ineffective counsel.
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God, I hope not! This guy could go down as the worst lawyer in history. Bringing an "expert who said Caylee was only in that wooded area for like...2 weeks? Saying that it was possibly coyotes that buried her? What...the...hell? Biaz, and his crew aren't only going to get punishment from the judge for their behavior when all this is said and done. They're going to lose in glorious fashion. All that will be left is the verdict.
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Just ignore that cocky bastard. Casey is not walking.
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Now that I wander into this way late I'll mention that WFTV (http://www.wftv.com), WESH (http://www.wesh.com) and WKMG (http://www.wkmg.com) al have streaming coverage. KMG even has chat with one of their reporters there in the courtroom.
All 3 stations here are doing gavel to gavel coverage with 30 minute late night wrap-ups after the 11:00 news.
I'm tired of Casey Anthony. I don't know if I've mentioned it here before but I still think they should just set the bitch on fire and be done with it.
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Now that I wander into this way late I'll mention that WFTV (http://www.wftv.com), WESH (http://www.wesh.com) and WKMG (http://www.wkmg.com) al have streaming coverage. KMG even has chat with one of their reporters there in the courtroom.
All 3 stations here are doing gavel to gavel coverage with 30 minute late night wrap-ups after the 11:00 news.
I'm tired of Casey Anthony. I don't know if I've mentioned it here before but I still think they should just set the bitch on fire and be done with it.
I can't wait for this to be ended myself. I need to get some house work done and find I am trying to work around the Court hours, nights I have started to dream about all the possibilities.
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Now that I wander into this way late I'll mention that WFTV (http://www.wftv.com), WESH (http://www.wesh.com) and WKMG (http://www.wkmg.com) al have streaming coverage. KMG even has chat with one of their reporters there in the courtroom.
All 3 stations here are doing gavel to gavel coverage with 30 minute late night wrap-ups after the 11:00 news.
I'm tired of Casey Anthony. I don't know if I've mentioned it here before but I still think they should just set the bitch on fire and be done with it.
I am tired of it too. There are more important issues such as the ATF's attempted Reichstag Fire (Project Gunrunner) and Obamacare (may be struck down by federal court).
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I haven't been watching this, just hearing about on Greta. Does anyone know whether Casey's going to testify? Haven't yelled at my TV for a while I figure this would be a good time.
Cindie
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If she does testify, it's going to be tomorrow. The jurors are supposedly going to be deliberating this weekend. From what I understand anyway...
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Casey Anthony would make a perfect girlfriend for Osama bin Laden or Joran van der Sloot. We can throw in Lori Drew and Jennifer Petkov while we are at it so there can be a love triangle. :lmao: :fuelfire:
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If she does testify, it's going to be tomorrow. The jurors are supposedly going to be deliberating this weekend. From what I understand anyway...
Oh, and please excuse my mistake. Court is on a break tomorrow. They will be back in session on Friday.
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Now that I wander into this way late I'll mention that WFTV (http://www.wftv.com), WESH (http://www.wesh.com) and WKMG (http://www.wkmg.com) al have streaming coverage. KMG even has chat with one of their reporters there in the courtroom.
All 3 stations here are doing gavel to gavel coverage with 30 minute late night wrap-ups after the 11:00 news.
I'm tired of Casey Anthony. I don't know if I've mentioned it here before but I still think they should just set the bitch on fire and be done with it.
Also sick to death of it. One of the local stations in Tampa has a daily coverage from 4pm on. I turn off the set. I get enough of it with Greta and the other Fox folk.
Wonder why she has her hair looking so terrible all the time, always pulled back. Maybe they're trying to take away from her party girl image, but it just makes her look like a weasle/rat in my opinion.
I hope she testifies today and it truly is over soon. There's much more going on in the world than this case in Florida. It's too bad they did their usual sloppy job down here. This state is crazy.
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Jeez...just end this trial already, then take her out back of the courthouse and put two in the back of her head.
Then repeat with Nancy Grace. I swear to Christ my ears bleed every time I surf past that channel when she's on.
Oh, and SLW--that's EXACTLY what they're trying to do with the frumpy look--if she came in looking like a party girl, this trial would have been over by now.
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Well I'm sure the jury is disappointed they won't hear from Killer Casey. I kind of am. She could have manipulated, and conived, and tried to convince the jury otherwise. Not that anyone would have believed her, but...
Still, I think it was the right decision. The Defense has rested.
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Jeez...just end this trial already, then take her out back of the courthouse and put two in the back of her head.
Then repeat with Nancy Grace. I swear to Christ my ears bleed every time I surf past that channel when she's on.
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Well I'm sure the jury is disappointed they won't hear from Killer Casey. I kind of am. She could have manipulated, and conived, and tried to convince the jury otherwise. Not that anyone would have believed her, but...
Still, I think it was the right decision. The Defense has rested.
I guess they're going to rest on the reasonable doubt thing. Also I'm sure they didn't want the prosecutors getting to her for the cross-exam.
Attended a 4 hour trial over a dispute on a fence between neighbors (didn't stay there the whole time---left early). It was ridiculous. The one neighbor was nuts (sorry I'm not a PC type person). She decided to defend herself. The longer she talked, the more evident it was that she was really out there.
She had a habit of accusing everyone, the police, the court system, fellow workers and neighbors of persecuting her. So the judge let her run on and on. Then he issued a protection order to the neighbors, who she was harassing, and ordered a pysch eval. If she didn't, she'd go to jail. Of course in her delusions, she acted as her own attorney. :whatever:
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I'm curious.......
Not being critical of anyone, just am interested, after 11 pages of this thread.
What is the attraction to this particular trail? There are hundreds of trials ongoing across the US for (in some cases) far more heinous crimes.....
What is it about this event??
Why the "wall to wall" TV coverage?? To me watching a trial is similar to watching paint dry........
OJ she isn't.......
What's the deal?
doc
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I have to chalk it up to Caylee Anthony looking like a little angel and her mom being a psychopath. It always tugs at human's hearts when a beautiful little child is involved in something so horrid. It is kind of like a train wreck, you just can't look away.
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I'm curious.......
Not being critical of anyone, just am interested, after 11 pages of this thread.
What is the attraction to this particular trail? There are hundreds of trials ongoing across the US for (in some cases) far more heinous crimes.....
What is it about this event??
Why the "wall to wall" TV coverage?? To me watching a trial is similar to watching paint dry........
OJ she isn't.......
What's the deal?
doc
I suspect that it is because Casey is so cold and emotionless in the courtroom. Not one bit of remorse.
I agree with you though. Obamacare just got ruled constitutional by the 6th Circuit and will go to the Supreme Court, but the media including Fox focuses only on this trial.
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I'm curious.......
Not being critical of anyone, just am interested, after 11 pages of this thread.
What is the attraction to this particular trail? There are hundreds of trials ongoing across the US for (in some cases) far more heinous crimes.....
What is it about this event??
Why the "wall to wall" TV coverage?? To me watching a trial is similar to watching paint dry........
OJ she isn't.......
What's the deal?
doc
I've been wondering this very thing. I haven't followed the case (though I've heard breathless babblings from various lawyer pundits in the TV background), all the MSM and cable networks are all over this like stink on shit, and yet this particular woman is no more compelling than any other axe-murdering mother wrapped up in herself and her "wants".
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I too have wondered.
The only thing I can think of is that it's the first mother on trial in a long line of middle to upper middle class "killer moms" who didn't take a plea and not have a trial.
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I don't watch, but I follow the trial. As a mother, another mother killing their child is SO foreign. I never even let anyone except my Nana and a dear friend I've known since middle school babysit my boys. Before I started homeschooling when they went to school, I went to school. For me it's trying to understand what makes a person that cold and try to understand why she did it. Was it jealousy? Punishing her parents for some reason? Casey's mother seems incredibly controlling and still very dedicated to her daughter, even evidently lying for her on the witness stand. NO one is going to research "chlorophyll" if they're worried about their dog eating a poisonous plant. They're going to search for "poisonous plant". And Cindy apparently still believes Casey (lots of delusion in that family). No wonder the father was an alcoholic. His wife is a controlling bitch and his daughter is the psycho bitch from hell.
It's the same reason I love true crime shows and books. I think I've read every Ann Rule book on the planet. What the heck makes a person this disturbed and how could her family not notice long before Caylee was born?
Cindie
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Five hundred bucks says Matthew Bartlett (the finger of affection) is a democrat.
Six days in the clink and $623 is a high price for 15 minutes of fame.
He's also a dead ringer for Tourist Guy.
(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/gobucksnumbers/tourist.jpg)
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I thought court was on a break until tomorrow morning. I guess Jane Valez Michelle is a liar because she said no court until Friday and that's when the defense would wrap up its case.
Not like it matters, Casey is guilty.
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I'm curious.......
Not being critical of anyone, just am interested, after 11 pages of this thread.
What is the attraction to this particular trail? There are hundreds of trials ongoing across the US for (in some cases) far more heinous crimes.....
What is it about this event??
Why the "wall to wall" TV coverage?? To me watching a trial is similar to watching paint dry........
OJ she isn't.......
What's the deal?
doc
A mother killed her two year old child. Mother never reported the child missing, but claimed the "nanny" kidnapped the child.
I'm watching like a hawk because I've been sucked in since day 1 this story first hit national news in 2008. I was just trying to figure out why a mother wouldn't call 911 if their child was kidnapped, but go out and party instead. Casey Anthony is a train wreck. No matter how much you want to look away, you just can't. I have co-workers who come to me for updates on the case because they know I have no life from 3pm-7pm on weeknights because I am too busy getting caught up on this.
Yes, my life is wrapped up in this, but it just breaks my heart to see a child harmed (and killed) in such a horrible way.
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I've been wondering this very thing. I haven't followed the case (though I've heard breathless babblings from various lawyer pundits in the TV background), all the MSM and cable networks are all over this like stink on shit, and yet this particular woman is no more compelling than any other axe-murdering mother wrapped up in herself and her "wants".
I'm gonna hazard a guess.......again, nothing critical intended to anyone interested but I'd suggest this is just a "media event".
First.......no judge that has even a shred of dignity and professionalism would allow TV cameras in his/her courtroom during a murder trial........which leads to the second:
The media has turned this into "Reality TV", sorta like "Survivor" on steroids...........just for daytime ratings (which typically suck).
It's been manufactured to sell deodorant and kitchen appliances..........kinda sad when one looks at it this way. Not a particularly great testimonial to the present state of our culture.
doc
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I think she may be found guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter, but not first degree, and there may be a hung jury.
At any rate, there will be a second trial, non-televised.
This is Phil Spector 2.0
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I'm gonna hazard a guess.......again, nothing critical intended to anyone interested but I'd suggest this is just a "media event".
First.......no judge that has even a shred of dignity and professionalism would allow TV cameras in his/her courtroom during a murder trial........which leads to the second:
The media has turned this into "Reality TV", sorta like "Survivor" on steroids...........just for daytime ratings (which typically suck).
It's been manufactured to sell deodorant and kitchen appliances..........kinda sad when one looks at it this way. Not a particularly great testimonial to the present state of our culture.
doc
steel on target (as usual) h5
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Just to make absolutely sure they should take out the whole family. The mother "innocently" googles Chloroform or was that just a red herring? The father was a police detective, the mother a nurse vs a 22 yr old party girl, now for the love of Christ, which of those two teams would know better on how to game the system?
This smacks too much of the Jon Benet circus and how long after her mother was dead was she exonerated?
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Just to make absolutely sure they should take out the whole family. The mother "innocently" googles Chloroform or was that just a red herring? The father was a police detective, the mother a nurse vs a 22 yr old party girl, now for the love of Christ, which of those two teams would know better on how to game the system?
This smacks too much of the Jon Benet circus and how long after her mother was dead was she exonerated?
Yeah a lot of dysfunction in that family.
Cindie
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Just to make absolutely sure they should take out the whole family. The mother "innocently" googles Chloroform or was that just a red herring? The father was a police detective, the mother a nurse vs a 22 yr old party girl, now for the love of Christ, which of those two teams would know better on how to game the system?
This smacks too much of the Jon Benet circus and how long after her mother was dead was she exonerated?
Agreed. Talk about a major trainwreck of a family. They like attention.
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This smacks too much of the Jon Benet circus and how long after her mother was dead was she exonerated?
She wrote that bogus ransom note.
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A grand distraction from what Obama is up to.
Something happend the other day that makes one wonder ------Casey was given an emergency Physic. exam from 3 no less headshrinkers to see if she was sane enough to know what was going on.
There had to have been not only a blow up between Casey and her Lawyer Jose but perhaps a pitched battle within the lawyers on her side in regards to how to handle her case.
The Law states that if Casey has told her lawyer she is guilty she cannot take the stand and lie as that would be called suborning perjury by the Lawyers.
So if she insisted on testifying, her lawyers that allowed her to would face ruin's, loss of licences and perhaps jail time.
Last ditch effort by the Defence would be to try to get her declared unable to testify due to mental problems. They tried that and it failed. Now what???
For the last few days she has appeared to be giddy with something, laughing, smiling and it looks like she thinks she has pulled off something big.---------What on earth could that be???
She knows a guilty verdict will mean an appeal on numerous valid reasons, the next trial will cost the earth as this one has, she can start over with new lawyers, new Jury, new Judge, and it may be years before the next trial. Can she get bail while she waits for the next go round, perhaps house arrest or even work release??
The ONLY person to testify other then experts and police With no horse in the race was the fathers mistress. She I believe, she has no reason to lie about anything. Mother, father, brother and the meeter reader all have every reason to lie----and I believe have done so blatantly.
We'll see how this Circus and Theater of the Macabre turns out.
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She wrote that bogus ransom note.
Stupidity does not equal guilt.
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This smacks too much of the Jon Benet circus and how long after her mother was dead was she exonerated?
I always thought her mother killed her, because she was jealous of her...
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I don't watch, but I follow the trial. As a mother, another mother killing their child is SO foreign.
It's the same reason I love true crime shows and books. I think I've read every Ann Rule book on the planet. What the heck makes a person this disturbed and how could her family not notice long before Caylee was born?
Cindie
I was on a True Crime kick for years, and also think I've read every Ann Rule book. Do you suppose she might write a book about the case?
Haven't watched this trial so I don't know all the ins and outs. I'd read Ann's take on it all though.
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I was on a True Crime kick for years, and also think I've read every Ann Rule book. Do you suppose she might write a book about the case?
Haven't watched this trial so I don't know all the ins and outs. I'd read Ann's take on it all though.
There is a Casey Anthony book already out.
Mommy's Little Girl: Casey Anthony and her Daughter Caylee's Tragic Fate
http://www.amazon.com/Mommys-Little-Girl-Anthony-Daughter/dp/0312365144
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Saw a news article this morning, on the internet, that said they have gone into an "indefinite recess".
According to the article, the defense wants to do some further depositions of the prosecution's rebuttal witnesses. Judge told them to not take too much time doing it, and that there would be court on Sunday if the depositions were done.
Judge must be doing everything he can to accommodate the defense in order to prevent as much as possible for reasons to appeal.
Can't find the original article I read, but this one is more recent... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43605512
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Don't know why there would be reason to read "Mommy's Little Girl" as of yet since we are still in the thick of things, but I digress.
I don't know how I feel about this. I understand everyone has their take on this case, but why make money off a dead 2 year old little girl? :(
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Don't know why there would be reason to read "Mommy's Little Girl" as of yet since we are still in the thick of things, but I digress.
I don't know how I feel about this. I understand everyone has their take on this case, but why make money off a dead 2 year old little girl? :(
Same reason as any other book written about a murder, or any other type of tragedy...because someone - or many someones - will buy the book.
I've always wondered why horrific car accidents were pictured in the paper. Then they went to being on tv, youtube or anywhere else on the internet. People will look and watch.
I just love (I say that with maximum sarcasm) how the news will show a horrific accident on tv, report someone as dead, yet say..."the name of the victim is being withheld until family notification". The stupid jerks!! They just showed a closeup of the car! Half the time, the license plate number is even visible. Now, if you have a family member that drives a car like the one being shown, and your family member hasn't come home yet or called, what are you going to think? Uh, gee...could that be my husband, wife, father, mother, sister, brother, best friend? :censored: :censored: :censored:
People range from mildly curious to obsessed with other people's tragedies. Right or wrong, it's the way it is.
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Well, today they established that Cindy is as much a liar as Casey.
Computer records from her company nailed her to the wall.
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They aren't going to have closing arguments until Sunday morning. Considering all the time that the jury has been sequestered AND the fact that Monday is a holiday it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't have a verdict before 9:00 PM Sunday.
I had been predicting a guilty verdict on one of the lesser charges, but after the last couple of days I'm beginning to think she might get much worse than that.
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Well, today they established that Cindy is as much a liar as Casey.
Computer records from her company nailed her to the wall.
Seriously, did Cindy think she could get away with this lie?
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Seriously, did Cindy think she could get away with this lie?
I doubt she will be charged with perjury.
She should be though IMO.
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I don't watch, but I follow the trial. As a mother, another mother killing their child is SO foreign.
For me it's trying to understand what makes a person that cold and try to understand why she did it. Was it jealousy? Punishing her parents for some reason?
What the heck makes a person this disturbed and how could her family not notice long before Caylee was born?
Cindie
This is why it interests me as well. It is a little like the reason so many folks read the Dumpster. The thoughts and actions of those people are so foreign, and you kind of want to understand where they are coming from, and how they got where they are.
The Casey Anthony thing is so much worse, seeing her face is like looking at the face of evil. How does that happen? How does a person grow up to kill their own little girl? How does she destroy everything person that cares about her and every person that she should love? It's almost like she is possessed to me.
Her lawyer is another thing altogether. He's not sick or possessed, he's just flat out self centered and without any moral compass. He is basically what he described Roy Kronk to be. How do make all those accusations of sex abuse and help Casey destroy her family without even the slightest piece of evidence? How do you do that and live with yourself?
I guess watching the trial doesn't really answer any of those questions, but I keep thinking I'll see something that will make it understandable.
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I'm gonna hazard a guess.......again, nothing critical intended to anyone interested but I'd suggest this is just a "media event".
First.......no judge that has even a shred of dignity and professionalism would allow TV cameras in his/her courtroom during a murder trial........which leads to the second:
The media has turned this into "Reality TV", sorta like "Survivor" on steroids...........just for daytime ratings (which typically suck).
It's been manufactured to sell deodorant and kitchen appliances..........kinda sad when one looks at it this way. Not a particularly great testimonial to the present state of our culture.
doc
First.......no judge that has even a shred of dignity and professionalism would allow TV cameras in his/her courtroom during a murder trial........which leads to the second, [quote\]
Where on earth do you get the idea that in America trials should be held behind closed doors???
Are we to go back to the middle ages where trials were held in secret from the populace, What is the one thing that America has overcome from other civilizations, it may be that when a person is on trial, this is a public event. The Public has the right to attend trials and court matters, public meaning in person or by televised events for those that cannot be there in person.
How would we know the defendant was given a fair trial if the people were not allowed to watch the proceedings in person or by technology to broad cast the trial for the people to monotor and insure the deck was not stacked against the defendant.
Good grief Doc, were you to be accused of a Capital crime ---your life at stake, do you want to have the trial held with only the reporters or media reporting on the trial or do you want everything out in the open so you are not misquoted or have your words twisted into things you never said.???
Why not allow the public to watch trials in a court of law by a Judge, how else are we know the defendant gets a fair trial, allow the public to decide if the defendant has Council that is not lazy or sloppy, the Judge is not drunk or falls asleep.
We do not live in Russia, Kenya, China or South America where the accused are held to Judges and Jury's out side of the public view.
This Judge is wonderful, he has bent over backward for the defence, he is following the law to the letter and we the American public have had the opportunity to watch and follow everything going on in this court room.
This is America at it's best and finest, for you to believe this trial should have taken place without the public watching is a bit disturbing to me.
You believe a Judge looses dignity and professionalism by allowing the public to view the proceedings in his court, watch as he makes his findings and how he keeps control of his court.???? WHY, I ask, is this a problem for you to be able to keep an eye on Lawyers that are shysters, corrupt DA's that or Judges that are reading Playboy while the court is in session?????
Please explain to me why when a persons life is at steak every darn thing that happens in the court room should not be available to public knowledge and in plain sight for all to see.
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Seriously, did Cindy think she could get away with this lie?
I really think she did. One of the stations here played the testimony she made the week before. She was asked if she could get her records from work to verify her story. She explained how they had to change passwords once a month so she couldn't log in anymore. She was sure it didn't matter because after all, everything deleted vanished after a few weeks from the trash folder because the company had hundreds of offices in 40 states. She knew there was no way they could back up such a tremendous amount of data, much less archive it from 3 years ago.
Oooops :rotf:
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There is a Casey Anthony book already out.
Mommy's Little Girl: Casey Anthony and her Daughter Caylee's Tragic Fate
http://www.amazon.com/Mommys-Little-Girl-Anthony-Daughter/dp/0312365144
I hate that writers get these books published before the trial's even over. :argh:
Thanks for the info though, Ptarmigan! :cheersmate:
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Seriously, did Cindy think she could get away with this lie?
I think she knew she would probably get caught in the lie, but she was desperate to save Casey from a possible death sentence. The chloroform research was before the little girl disappeared, so it's direct evidence of premeditation.
Cindy knew that because she's a big fan of Nancy Grace and her Nostrils of Death.
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I think she knew she would probably get caught in the lie, but she was desperate to save Casey from a possible death sentence. The chloroform research was before the little girl disappeared, so it's direct evidence of premeditation.
Cindy knew that because she's a big fan of Nancy Grace and her Nostrils of Death.
Made me laugh, H5!
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Dunno what Grace's personal politics are, but she, JVM, and the rest of HLN are right on top of this case. Hell, that have an actual COUNTDOWN clock until Monday court is back in session. Now, I understand the big media, and somewhat importance/fascination of this case, but this is not NFL Draft day where they count down the hours. It's not THAT important, IMHO.
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Dunno what Grace's personal politics are, but she, JVM, and the rest of HLN are right on top of this case. Hell, that have an actual COUNTDOWN clock until Monday court is back in session. Now, I understand the big media, and somewhat importance/fascination of this case, but this is not NFL Draft day where they count down the hours. It's not THAT important, IMHO.
Their shows never discuss politics. At least I have never ever ever heard JVM or Nancy Grace speak of politics whenever I watch. They both talk about hot, non-political topics, such as missing persons cases.
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Grace is conservative. Gary Condit was her Fitzmas.
JVM is a flaming lesbo dem.
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I really think she did. One of the stations here played the testimony she made the week before. She was asked if she could get her records from work to verify her story. She explained how they had to change passwords once a month so she couldn't log in anymore. She was sure it didn't matter because after all, everything deleted vanished after a few weeks from the trash folder because the company had hundreds of offices in 40 states. She knew there was no way they could back up such a tremendous amount of data, much less archive it from 3 years ago.
Oooops :rotf:
Then she's as stupid as the daughter. E-mails in my company (ALL OF THEM) are kept for as long as 20 years. Pages are kept for 5 years. Yeah, she screwed herself over bigtime.
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Anyone happen to have a link to the closing statements? They were to begin at 9am EST today.
I'm at work and would like to watch on my phone.
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Anyone happen to have a link to the closing statements? They were to begin at 9am EST today.
I'm at work and would like to watch on my phone.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-tivid-casey-anthony-jury-livestream-2,0,6003068.htmlstory
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Sad. The video doesn't work on my phone. Thanks anyway.
Guess I'll stalk Vinnie Politan's twitter for up to the minute details.
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After hearing the Ashton's closing arguments I told my wife that Baez better fall back on the Chewbacca Defense. She had no idea what I was talking about so after Ashton finished I brought her to the computer and pulled up that clip from South Park. She laughed. We sat back down in front of the TV to see Baez with his easel and charts. I laughed. Since then I've used my South Park Johnny Cochran voice several times to say: It duh not make sense.
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After hearing the Ashton's closing arguments I told my wife that Baez better fall back on the Chewbacca Defense. She had no idea what I was talking about so after Ashton finished I brought her to the computer and pulled up that clip from South Park. She laughed. We sat back down in front of the TV to see Baez with his easel and charts. I laughed. Since then I've used my South Park Johnny Cochran voice several times to say: It duh not make sense.
^5 for that. Baez has been using the Chewbacca Defense from the start.
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Isn't this like Baez's second murder case? He's in way over his head here, and never made a coherent defense. He was right not to put that "mother" on the stand, but I hope she's found guilty and then she will testify during the penalty hearings.
This whole family is screwball - the brother is weird, the father is a *****, the mother and daughter are both liars, Cindy is stupider but less evil than Casey the Killerslut.
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Wish I would have woken up sooner. He wats to talk about throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks? The Prosecution has objected twice that I've seen. Rightly so, and one of them was sustained. This guy is selling Miracle Moose Piss, and hoping the jury will buy. Oh my god...
:popcorn:
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Wish I would have woken up sooner. He wats to talk about throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks? The Prosecution has objected twice that I've seen. Rightly so, and one of them was sustained. This guy is selling Miracle Moose Piss, and hoping the jury will buy. Oh my god...
:popcorn:
Miracle Moose Piss? :rotf: In the stores can it be found in the same section as Skittles Shitting Unicorns?
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I believe so. It's a Buy 1, Get 1 Half Off deal.
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Miracle Moose Piss? :rotf: In the stores can it be found in the same section as Skittles Shitting Unicorns?
It's a popular beverage in Canada. Honest.
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I was on a True Crime kick for years, and also think I've read every Ann Rule book. Do you suppose she might write a book about the case?
Haven't watched this trial so I don't know all the ins and outs. I'd read Ann's take on it all though.
Her or Aphrodite Jones.
Cindie
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I think she may be found guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter, but not first degree, and there may be a hung jury.
At any rate, there will be a second trial, non-televised.
This is Phil Spector 2.0
I agree with you, GOBUCKS. A big part of convicting her on first degree is the degree to which her parents, particularly her mother, is involved. I don't agree with many here. I DO think Casey inadvertently killed her daughter--now understand me here--I didn't say this to exonerate her because why that happened is deplorable in and of itself, but I do think you follow someone's motivations and characters and how things happened and you can reasonably put a string of events that LIKELY happened.
My feeling is Casey wanted a night out with friends(just like she did when her daughter was 'missing') and found a very stupid, disgusting, and selfish way to do it when she couldn't find a sitter. My suspicion is she drugged her daughter and put tape over her mouth so she if she woke up she wouldn't make noise. Sadly, this may not have even been the first time she had employed these tactics. Backfired and the little girl died. However, I don't believe this girl to be as bright as the rest of you make her out to be and I think the grandmother has been proved to be a liar too. I really think Casey did the horrible crap I just mentioned above but her mother(parents) helped her cover it up. It's pretty clear from her own mother's idiocy how they weren't bright enough to pull that off and I think 'grandma's' thought probably was something along the lines of both Christ, Casey, wtf were you thinking..I have to bale you out yet again and I've lost a granddaughter and I'll be damned if I'm going to lose a daughter too.
IMO, that whole family, at the very least the grandmother, both belong in court on charges. I absolutely believe she helped Casey hide what happened.
Other than that, I've been watching more relevant parts. Between work, my kids, school, and the gym I'm lucky to find time to sleep somedays. Tv's become a missed luxury:-(
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Guess I'll be up at 5:30am so I can see the prosecutors rebuttal. This three hour time difference sucks.
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Guess I'll be up at 5:30am so I can see the prosecutors rebuttal. This three hour time difference sucks.
I am wondering about the man behind the curtain that pops out now and then---LEE the brother.
Interesting man, seems like he was the forgotten child, left out of family workings, everything was about Casey most of his life. Then along comes Caylee the love of his parents lives.
No one even mentioned if he used the PC to research Chloroform or neck breaking. No one mentioned if he ever baby sat Caylee or had any kind of relationship with her.
The wording at the memorial for Caylee was odd his repeating, CMA I will keep your secret, does this mean he knows who the baby's father is????
I drew a parallel between him and Erick Hernandez when he began to cry on the stand about how his parents kept him at arms length when it came to family secretes and his anger of what he considers miss treatment by the parents.---Part way through his testimony I began to think, I have seen this before, then I though of Erick.
Odd, this man was feeling sad about himself and not his sister ,parents, or the Baby, just wounded that he was not invited to a baby shower or was told his sister was pregnant. Perhaps had he been an older daughter that would have hurt her feelings but, a full grown man??????
What if--say just what if, Casey had been leaving Caylee with her brother to baby sit and they both came up with the story about Zannie the nanny as a cover. Lee may have been able to get Xnasx for a while but the cost was becoming to high.
Lee would have enjoyed being able to pull the wool over the parents heads as he believed they had done to him. However he still had a life to lead so he and Casey came up with a cheap method to keep the baby asleep and that is where the accident came in, too much Chloroform and where ever he had put the child to sleep she went into the trunk of Casey's car until he and Casey could figure out what to do.
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Now Casey is out partying and Lee had no idea where to find her and he had a dead baby in Casey's car. A few days went by before he who was using her car, found her and then they began to plot how to get out of this mess.
Too much work for Casey to bury the child, so they did what they had seen their parents do for years and got out the plastic bags, blanket, and duck tape that their Dad had in his storage shed wrapped her up and dug a shallow hole in the woods and buried her there.
Neither had any idea the floods would come and the body would, full of gas, pop to the surface or the duck tape used to seal the body would come loose and get caught on the baby's hair.
As per usual Cindy and George kept the well known smell in Casey's car a secret from Lee, neather wanting to face the fact that a dead body had been in their missing daughters car and were willing to believe Caylee was safe and sound.--Ignoring the death smell in Casey's car.
It is possible that when Cindy forced Casey to come home and she walked in on Casey and Lee in the bedroom, they were going over some story to tell her and that was all they could think of, Zannie the Nanny had kidnapped her 31 days ago.
Just another theory about this case, for whats it's worth. My 2 cents.
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or maybe space aliens did.
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The judge is giving instructions to the jury. I hope they reach a verdict and aren't hung.
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Now Casey is out partying and Lee had no idea where to find her and he had a dead baby in Casey's car. A few days went by before he who was using her car, found her and then they began to plot how to get out of this mess.
Too much work for Casey to bury the child, so they did what they had seen their parents do for years and got out the plastic bags, blanket, and duck tape that their Dad had in his storage shed wrapped her up and dug a shallow hole in the woods and buried her there.
Neither had any idea the floods would come and the body would, full of gas, pop to the surface or the duck tape used to seal the body would come loose and get caught on the baby's hair.
As per usual Cindy and George kept the well known smell in Casey's car a secret from Lee, neather wanting to face the fact that a dead body had been in their missing daughters car and were willing to believe Caylee was safe and sound.--Ignoring the death smell in Casey's car.
It is possible that when Cindy forced Casey to come home and she walked in on Casey and Lee in the bedroom, they were going over some story to tell her and that was all they could think of, Zannie the Nanny had kidnapped her 31 days ago.
Just another theory about this case, for whats it's worth. My 2 cents.
I don't buy your 2 cents.
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Yes, so... I forgot to watch the rebuttal. Was it good? Nail in the coffin? Or was it the same stuff we already knew and was just a refresher for the jury?
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Most of it was refresher, but there were some new things that should have been introduced in opening statements that were damn provocative. I can't believe they were skipped over. Since you haven't seen it all yet, Jess, I will just let you watch the thing. However, Linda Drane hit one out of the ballpark IMO. We're on Jury Watch right now, because they're making their decision. I personally hope it is swift justice even thought there willo most likely be an appeal. I'd love to see multiple convictions on the 4th.
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I'm not sure if I'll be able to watch it from start to finish. I'll catch recaps on HLN later this afternoon. Ms. Drane's opening statements were really good, so I was looking forward to seeing her rebuttal. Are the jurors stuck in that room deliberating all day? Are they allowed to even watch fireworks tonight or do they have to do this until they reach an agreement?
Just say guilty (because Casey is...) and go home to see fireworks.
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They've been talking for a month about what a great prosecutor Ashton is. I can't stand the guy.
Wanna strangle him for taking a drink of water every 30 seconds. Terribly distracting.
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Yep. Can't even go out to have a cigarette until they come to a decision, Jess. LOL @ Jane V. Mittchell running after Mason, and Baez in an effort to get them to give a candid interview. What does she think they're going to do???
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Any news? I haven't turned the TV on at all today.
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We are on verdict watch. I'm guessing the jury will be ready late afternoon tomorrow. Maybe around 4pm EST.
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Verdict to be announced at 2:15 EDT today.
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Ohhhhhhhhh I bet it's dead guilty being returned that quick!
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We are on verdict watch. I'm guessing the jury will be ready late afternoon tomorrow. Maybe around 4pm EST.
I was close!
2:15pm EST.
I am so glad that today is my day off. Please let it be guilty on ALL counts. Justice for Caylee.
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OK how's this for kinky, Court Deputies have shown up at the Anthony home.
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OK how's this for kinky, Court Deputies have shown up at the Anthony home.
what does that mean? crap, I gotta go back to work!
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what does that mean? crap, I gotta go back to work!
Channel 6 is wondering that too. OPD already has the house and body site all coned off and ready for crowds.
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OK how's this for kinky, Court Deputies have shown up at the Anthony home.
Means nothing for Casey. It's for protection for George & Cindy. They have had security at their subdivision during the whole trial from what I understand. Casey isn't getting off.
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I'd hate to see her get off, but it sure would make Nancy Grace fun to watch.
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I'd hate to see her get off, but it sure would make Nancy Grace fun to watch.
Casey would be murdered tonight if she got off on all of this.
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I bet she's guilty too but I'm listening to Rush and he's debating whether or not to deal with it. Evidently Katherine watches the trial.
Cindie
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They say the courtroom is dead silent.
10 hours, 44 minutes of deliberation.
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Just a couple more minutes.
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Here we go!!
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No shit
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Not guilty!
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WTF
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She got off.
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And here I thought California juries were the stupidest.
Flori-DUH, you're number one again.
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Unreal.
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She may walk.
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She is guilty on FOUR counts of lying to the police/FBI/etc. She's not walking anywhere today.
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They're fingerprinting her for the 4 counts she was found guilty of. Thursday at 9am for sentencing.
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O. J. all over.
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She is guilty on FOUR counts of lying to the police/FBI/etc. She's not walking anywhere today.
None of which are felonies. She'll get credit for time served and walk at sentencing.
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She is guilty on FOUR counts of lying to the police/FBI/etc. She's not walking anywhere today.
They said over the weekend that she's served the time on these 4 counts already.
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We are visiting my MIL, she is a huge lib. she watched the trial not surprised by the verdict. I was although I did not watch the trial.
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COUNT 1...NOT GUILTY FIRST DEGREE MURDER.
COUNT 2 AGGRIVATED CHILD ABUSE...NOT GUILTY
COUNT 3 NOT GUILTY AGGRIVATED MANSLAUGHTER.
cOUNT 4 GUILTY...PROVIDING FALSE INFO TO LAW
COUNT 5 GUILTY...PROVIDING FALSE INFO TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
Bfd, she got away with murder.
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Wow. Unfreakingbelievable!
Cindie
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She is going to get killed.
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Hopefully George will cut her throat....
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So...
You all think mommy & daddy are going to let her back into her home when she's out? Even after throwing both parent's and her brother under the bus... AND taking the life of their granddaughter?
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This verdict is disgusting!
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Bella Vita indeed.
Damn.
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Hopefully George will cut her throat....
And throw her body in the woods.
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I don't see her living with George & Cindy anymore. I guess the future Mrs Biaz will have to go live with him.
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Should have at least popped her for manslaughter under the best (For her) interpretation of all the evidence. On the postitive side, I guess this makes all the smartass lawyer commentators on TV (Including Fox personalities) who have been bad-mouthing the defense look like idiots. I was sure getting incredibly sick of hearing all their Nadin-wannabee analysis.
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What the hell happened in the jury room? :banghead: :argh: :mad:
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This country is done for.
So...
You all think mommy & daddy are going to let her back into her home when she's out? Even after throwing both parent's and her brother under the bus... AND taking the life of their granddaughter?
Yes, without a doubt. Parents might divorce over it, though, but that's Cindy's little girl.
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A reasonable doubt at a price that's right.
I wonder if we will hear from any jurors and, if so, if this was a middle finger to the judge and state?
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I have not watched more than 30 minutes total of the entire trial. However, I have seen a lot of stuff on the news, read in the paper and online, and here.
Last night, Fox News had a lot on it.
Based on what I have heard and read....not personal opinion...I don't think the prosecuters proved capital murder. Which was their job!
They had to prove it enough, so that the jury had NO DOUBT whatsoever, that Casey was guilty.
In my opinion...they didn't. All of their "proof" was circumstanstial. It was not enough.
The defense did enough to create doubt. That's all they had to do.
I was not surprised they came back with not guilty.
I do think, that Casey's life is now in danger. Some dumb ass will kill her, and that person will BE the one to get the death penalty.
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They just said the jury would not look at Casey before, during or after the verdict was read.
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Jury press conference coming up shortly.
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After all is said and done...A LITTLE GIRL IS DEAD. :censored: Who will get the first interview? Wonder how much she will make off of this. :bird: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
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The number of which will be participating is still unknown.
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Any bets it was resonable doubt and just barely?
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No, it's beyond a reasonable doubt - the duct tape and her internet searchs should've at least rendered a manslaughter verdict, but now a child's life is worth less than that of an animal.
The juror's comments will be like those in OJ's trial - "the prosecutor had no evidence". ::)
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I said it here and other places before. The woman most likely didn't do it. I will never doubt group dynamics of vengeance again. I said it to my wife.
It doesn't make me happy. A child is dead. A defenseless child. It wouldn't have made me happy for two wrongs attempting to make a right.
About the only thing that gives me a bit of solace is believing Nancy Grace will be yanked from the airwaves.
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She will be on the street Thursday afternoon.
Hot Body Contest by Saturday night.
Can someone give her Tony's number?
Within a couple of months she'll make a million bucks off this.
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This country is done for.
Yes, without a doubt. Parents might divorce over it, though, but that's Cindy's little girl.
I agree, Cindy will always take care of and defend Casey. George, not so much.
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I said it here and other places before. The woman most likely didn't do it. I will never doubt group dynamics of vengeance again. I said it to my wife.
It doesn't make me happy. A child is dead. A defenseless child. It wouldn't have made me happy for two wrongs attempting to make a right.
About the only thing that gives me a bit of solace is believing Nancy Grace will be yanked from the airwaves.
Do you have a theory as to who you think did kill the child?
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The only person who killed Caylee was CASEY!
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Nobody explained how Caylee put the ladder up on the pool.....
My only hope for the system now is this ****ing moron Biaz could still be disbarred yet.
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Do you have a theory as to who you think did kill the child?
I've wondered if it wasn't George, ever since he attempted suicide.
I have never believed he was so despondent over his missing granddaughter to kill himself. There had to be more to it than that. He still had a wife, a daughter and a son.
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I've wondered if it wasn't George, ever since he attempted suicide.
Why would George kill his granddaughter?
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Do you have a theory as to who you think did kill the child?
My only conjecture was it would be more likely the parents would be more able or capable of gaming the system than a 22 year old party girl. Other than that, I have not a clue.
People cared more about getting a pound of flesh.
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Casey better mind her P's & Q's from now and forever. They will OJ her ass quicker than they did OJ.
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My only conjecture was it would be more likely the parents would be more able or capable of gaming the system than a 22 year old party girl. Other than that, I have not a clue.
People cared more about getting a pound of flesh.
Seriously.
Why the hell would George & Cindy murder their granddaughter?
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Casey better mind her P's & Q's from now and forever. They will OJ her ass quicker than they did OJ.
I want Casey to come celebrate her "victory" in Las Vegas.
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Who will get out first? Casey, or that DUmbass who flipped his finger in court?
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The bitch was found guilty of lying to police, what did she lie about? a murder she was responsible for yet the jury found her not guilty.
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I think they'll leave hand in hand.
No one other than Casey had any reason to do it. That was proven.
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The bitch was found guilty of lying to police, what did she lie about? a murder she was responsible for yet the jury found her not guilty.
Exactly.
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Seriously.
Why the hell would George & Cindy murder their granddaughter?
I didn't claim they did. I'm basing my point based only previous experience with 22 year old young women. I've yet to meet a single one who would have killed their own child. Maybe I'm fortunate to know people who are morally responsible.
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What has the DU have to say about this? I do not do the DU so I ask you here.
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I didn't claim they did. I'm basing my point based only previous experience with 22 year old young women. I've yet to meet a single one who would have killed their own child. Maybe I'm fortunate to know people who are morally responsible.
So you never heard of a single mom killing her child? You just base it on the 22 year old single moms you know? Is that what I just read?
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What has the DU have to say about this? I do not do the DU so I ask you here.
They'll just consider it a retroactive abortion, a mothers choice....
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My only conjecture was it would be more likely the parents would be more able or capable of gaming the system than a 22 year old party girl. Other than that, I have not a clue.
People cared more about getting a pound of flesh.
That doesn't really make sense. Cindy was the one who reported it. The murder would not have been detected for much longer if she had not reported Caylee missing.
I'm basing my point based only previous experience with 22 year old young women. I've yet to meet a single one who would have killed their own child.
Have you ever met anyone, 22 yo or any age who has or would kill a child? Their own or anyone else's? I haven't, but I know children are murdered, sometimes by their parents. Have you ever met a grandparent that would kill his/her grandchild?
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NONE of the jurors are wiling to talk to the media. The 5 alternates haven't decided yet.
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So you never heard of a single mom killing her child? You just base it on the 22 year old single moms you know? Is that what I just read?
Of course of heard of women killing their children, I'm not living in fantasyland. I'm going by my personal experience with the single mom's I've dated, friends of mine, that type of thing. Not all of them were paragons of responsibility but none were abusive THAT I WAS AWARE.
I can't manufacture life experience.
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The jury isn't only stupid but they're a bunch of wussies!
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NONE of the jurors are wiling to talk to the media. The 5 alternates haven't decided yet.
At least they are smart enough for THAT decision.
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That doesn't really make sense. Cindy was the one who reported it. The murder would not have been detected for much longer if she had not reported Caylee missing.
Have you ever met anyone, 22 yo or any age who has or would kill a child? Their own or anyone else's? I haven't, but I know children are murdered, sometimes by their parents. Have you ever met a grandparent that would kill his/her grandchild?
Let me go a bit further, it's actually not the women who killed the children. Most of the cases I know it's actually the boyfriend or step-father/stepmother who kill the child.
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That doesn't really make sense. Cindy was the one who reported it. The murder would not have been detected for much longer if she had not reported Caylee missing.
Have you ever met anyone, 22 yo or any age who has or would kill a child? Their own or anyone else's? I haven't, but I know children are murdered, sometimes by their parents. Have you ever met a grandparent that would kill his/her grandchild?
It happened here in April. A local grandmother took her 8yo grandson to a gas station bathroom, shot him then herself. He was killed there, she lived a few days. She left no note and never regained consciousness for anyone to question her.
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/apr/05/murder-suicide-leaves-questions/
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NONE of the jurors are wiling to talk to the media. The 5 alternates haven't decided yet.
I am listening to cnn radio online. They are shocked that the jury doesn't want to speak to them..... I wouldn't either. They had to serve on this jury. Their lives cannot be safe now.
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Let me go a bit further, it's actually not the women who killed the children. Most of the cases I know it's actually the boyfriend or step-father/stepmother who kill the child.
And usually in those cases, the mother is still charged with aggravated child abuse. We had a few cases like this in Las Vegas since we have moved here. The mother knew about their boyfriend's violent past, but would still leave their children with him.
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At least they are smart enough for THAT decision.
Ashamed of themselves.
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Ashamed of themselves.
At this point, I would think that somewhere along the way, the prosecution didn't make the case. This makes me think even more that something the state or the judge did pissed them all off.
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And usually in those cases, the mother is still charged with aggravated child abuse. We had a few cases like this in Las Vegas since we have moved here. The mother knew about their boyfriend's violent past, but would still leave their children with him.
Bit of quick personal background; I'm 50 y.o. now. I grew up in a town that made Mayberry look like the big city. We had a barber 'til he died. Maybe it was a terrarium but it was blue collar, good people who knew how to take care of themselves and each other. The few girls who did get pregnant went off to "live with her aunt".
We didn't go to school with black kids until Junior High in the next town, although our family knew some black families through my grandfather.
Most people really don't give a flying **** if it was Casey, grandparents, or the utility worker. They wanted a pound of flesh to avenge the child. Never doubt the power of the state to make Mother Theresa to look like a scumbag.
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The Anthony's neighbors are scared about whats fixing to happen when their murderous neighbor comes home.
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Now if Casey is released soon who is going to hang out with her? The defense ruined the parents so will she stay at their house? Of course she will get a huge $ deal for a interview. Who will hang with her now? Her life is now changed forever. Nobody will ever forgive her. Or forget.
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The Anthony's neighbors are scared about whats fixing to happen when their murderous neighbor comes home.
I would be too if I lived there.
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Hope Springs Dr is a circus all over again.
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I would be too if I lived there.
I wouldn't want to be there either.
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Okay, now that this daytime drama is over (except for the sentencing on Thursday), what's the next high-profile case?
There's gotta be one waiting in the wings somewhere. :panic:
Somebody said the other day (I think it was TVDOC) that the reason the MSM (and that includes Fox anymore) pimps these cases is because of the daytime TV ratings suck so badly.
So how about it? The court pundits have gotta be lining up their next outrageous case that simply is beyond belief.
Right?
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The prosecution is addressing the public right now.
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Hope Springs Dr is a circus all over again.
Is that the parents house street name....really???
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Is that the parents house street name....really???
Yes. Hope Spring Dr. 3192 if I remember correctly.
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Yes. Hope Spring Dr. 3192 if I remember correctly.
I just earth googled it. Where was the body found how far away from that house?
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You can remember THAT? I think about two miles, Jess.
Well, the "state" of FloridUH strikes again. Not hard to see that that this jury - ALL of them - are collectively dumber than a clawhammer.
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Bit of quick personal background; I'm 50 y.o. now. I grew up in a town that made Mayberry look like the big city. We had a barber 'til he died. Maybe it was a terrarium but it was blue collar, good people who knew how to take care of themselves and each other. The few girls who did get pregnant went off to "live with her aunt".
We didn't go to school with black kids until Junior High in the next town, although our family knew some black families through my grandfather.
Most people really don't give a flying **** if it was Casey, grandparents, or the utility worker. They wanted a pound of flesh to avenge the child. Never doubt the power of the state to make Mother Theresa to look like a scumbag.
You are right, ONC...this verdict does not really affect most people, but it sure isn't stopping them from jumping on anyone who doesn't agree that the verdict was wrong.
The prosecution didn't PROVE anything!! It was all supposition and suggestion.
The law - in any capitol murder case - is that the prosecution is the side that MUST prove guilt beyond a shadow of doubt.
The jury sat there for weeks listening to evidence. The evidence wasn't good enough.
The investigators made many mistakes. A poor autopsy. Not following up on the utility worker's first report of the trash bag. Both were significant to proving guilt.
The prosecution could have gone for lesser charges that would have kept Casey in jail for decades, but they didn't. They went for the heaviest charge they could...without enough proof for conviction.
Be mad at the investigators for screwing up. Be mad at the prosecution for not doing their job.
But you can't be mad at the jury. They did the job they were ordered to do, by the judge, who based his directions on the charges brought by the District Attorney.
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Now if Casey is released soon who is going to hang out with her? Who will hang with her now?
Are you kidding? She'll be rich and easy.
That doesn't add up to loneliness, regardless of what else she may have done.
Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go wherever they want.
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I just earth googled it. Where was the body found how far away from that house?
The body was found on Suburban Drive.
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For the last time, it's a reasonable doubt, not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". Sheesh.
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I just earth googled it. Where was the body found how far away from that house?
Suburban drive, around the corner from the parents house by the school.
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Why is he thanking everyone? just disgraceful. They lost no thanks should be happening.
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For the last time, it's a reasonable doubt, not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". Sheesh.
Yep, just because she was found not guilty doesn't mean she isn't guilty.
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Who will get out first? Casey, or that DUmbass who flipped his finger in court?
From what I heard, he got out this morning. Boortz was talking about him for a while today.
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The alternate jurors declined a press conference but 2 did leave their names. "We will attempt to contact them later"
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And usually in those cases, the mother is still charged with aggravated child abuse. We had a few cases like this in Las Vegas since we have moved here. The mother knew about their boyfriend's violent past, but would still leave their children with him.
You're absolutely correct. As it should be when proof of neglect exists.
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If she was only found guilty of four misdemeanors, and has already served three years, I don't understand why she would not be allowed to post bail to be released pending sentencing. The most she could get, with consecutive sentences, would be another year,but in all likelihood, she will be released on time served. I've never heard of someone convicted of a misdemeanor who wasn't given a chance to post bond. Why is she in jail until Thursday?
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If she was only found guilty of four misdemeanors, and has already served three years, I don't understand why she would not be allowed to post bail to be released pending sentencing. The most she could get, with consecutive sentences, would be another year,but in all likelihood, she will be released on time served. I've never heard of someone convicted of a misdemeanor who wasn't given a chance to post bond. Why is she in jail until Thursday?
Paperwork? Not sure.
At the time of my original statements, I did not know if the judge was going to count time served in the four guilty verdicts.
Did OJ up and walk out of jail at the time of his acquittal? I was young when that happened and cannot remember what happened. I just remember the anger.
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Yep, just because she was found not guilty doesn't mean she is innocent.
Fixed.
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She's still in protective custody too. No no one filled a motion for release so she went back to jail.
There's a chat going on that one of the stations is hosting. Someone on it had a great comment.
"I have a reasonable doubt in our justice system."
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Paperwork? Not sure.
At the time of my original statements, I did not know if the judge was going to count time served in the four guilty verdicts.
Did OJ up and walk out of jail at the time of his acquittal? I was young when that happened and cannot remember what happened. I just remember the anger.
My memory is he was let go right away.
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My 2 cents. For what it's worth.
I was pretty certain that the verdict for the 1st degree murder charge would be not guilty. I was reasonably certain that the verdict for aggravated child abuse would be not guilty. I did, however, kind of figure they would find her guilty of manslaughter. I probably would have.
With that said I'm not going to condemn the jury as the prosecution had some problems.
1. Why wasn't the closest wooded area to the Anthony home searched sooner and more thoroughly? It was where the body was found. I realize it was thick with underbrush. I realize there was water there. I realize it wouldn't be a fun place to look, but a lot of times doing your job isn't fun. That's why they call it "work" instead of "fun".
2. Why did it take so long to get back with Krunk?
3. Why didn't the officer spend as much time searching the area as he allegedly spent chastising Krunk?
4. Why didn't Dr. G open the skull? I'm not a ME, but I thought the ME's job was to check everything which I would think would include a complete exam inside the skull. I realize that the anthropologist said that it wouldn't be done in an anthropological exam, but the ME wouldn't really be doing an anthropological exam.
5. How was the tape still on the face area if it was placed there prior to decomposition? I've never seen a decomposed human body, but since I've lived a lot of my life in the country I have seen decomposed animals. It's nasty. It's like everything dissolves. As the body dissolves everything slips down. Add in the fact that it was covered in water for a time and the tape location is even more questionable.
6. Why did Ashton often seem to act like an arrogant ass? All in all, I think his case was better. I think his expert witnesses were better. He should have been happy. Instead, during cross he seemed to belittle and mock the defense witnesses. Baez seemed to show more respect for opposing witnesses. And his laughter during closing was ridiculous.
7. Why didn't they include a charge for illegal disposal of a corpse (or whatever the charge would be)?
That's just some things off the top of my head.
As for Baez, many people have demeaned him. Maybe he didn't do the best of jobs, but even not counting the end result, I think he did fairly well considering he was trying to polish a turd.
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My memory is he was let go right away.
Yes. He walked out when court was adjourned.
The O.J. jury problem reminded me - considering how Florida is hardly a part of the United States anymore,
were there any Anglos on the jury? Jose Baez made a point of jabbering in Mexican after the trial.
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My 2 cents. For what it's worth.
I was pretty certain that the verdict for the 1st degree murder charge would be not guilty. I was reasonably certain that the verdict for aggravated child abuse would be not guilty. I did, however, kind of figure they would find her guilty of manslaughter. I probably would have.
With that said I'm not going to condemn the jury as the prosecution had some problems.
1. Why wasn't the closest wooded area to the Anthony home searched sooner and more thoroughly? It was where the body was found. I realize it was thick with underbrush. I realize there was water there. I realize it wouldn't be a fun place to look, but a lot of times doing your job isn't fun. That's why they call it "work" instead of "fun".
2. Why did it take so long to get back with Krunk? If his call had been followed up when he made it, the body would not have been nearly as decomposed and maybe cause of death could have been determined.
3. Why didn't the officer spend as much time searching the area as he allegedly spent chastising Krunk?
4. Why didn't Dr. G open the skull? I'm not a ME, but I thought the ME's job was to check everything which I would think would include a complete exam inside the skull. I realize that the anthropologist said that it wouldn't be done in an anthropological exam, but the ME wouldn't really be doing an anthropological exam. Wasn't that part of the criticism of the autopsy not being done correctly? I thought ME's were supposed to examine EVERYTHING necessary to prove cause of death. They check the skull in books, tv shows and movies.
5. How was the tape still on the face area if it was placed there prior to decomposition? I've never seen a decomposed human body, but since I've lived a lot of my life in the country I have seen decomposed animals. It's nasty. It's like everything dissolves. As the body dissolves everything slips down. Add in the fact that it was covered in water for a time and the tape location is even more questionable. I wondered how the duct tape stayed in place too, when I heard it. I've heard that duct tape is supposed to be indestructible, which I don't know if true or not, but the body does dissolve and water speeds it up decomposition. I find it very hard to believe that the tape slipped through all the decomp to adhere to the skull. I don't think it works that way.
6. Why did Ashton often seem to act like an arrogant ass? All in all, I think his case was better. I think his expert witnesses were better. He should have been happy. Instead, during cross he seemed to belittle and mock the defense witnesses. Baez seemed to show more respect for opposing witnesses. And his laughter during closing was ridiculous. Maybe he figured the jury would be influenced by his attitude, when he failed to prove guilt. It probably made the jury pay even more attention to the defense. He screwed up in the beginning though, by going after Casey with every possible charge to get as many "guilty" verdicts as possible. Even if he had gotten her on aggravated child abuse, she would have spent years in prison, and maybe in that time, enough evidence would have been found to convict her of murder in 1st degree. Now, even if she confessed to killing Caylee, she can't be tried.
7. Why didn't they include a charge for illegal disposal of a corpse (or whatever the charge would be)? Could they have amended the charges after the start of the trial, and added that? I wonder if they will try to do that now, it's about the only thing left out of this trial.
That's just some things off the top of my head.
As for Baez, many people have demeaned him. Maybe he didn't do the best of jobs, but even not counting the end result, I think he did fairly well considering he was trying to polish a turd.
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Okay, now that this daytime drama is over (except for the sentencing on Thursday), what's the next high-profile case?
There's gotta be one waiting in the wings somewhere. :panic:
Somebody said the other day (I think it was TVDOC) that the reason the MSM (and that includes Fox anymore) pimps these cases is because of the daytime TV ratings suck so badly.
So how about it? The court pundits have gotta be lining up their next outrageous case that simply is beyond belief.
Right?
Probably. I really don't have any interest in following cases like htis on a play-by-play basis with 'Experts' second-guessing every move either side makes, I am glad the damned thing is over and perhaps news more relevant to me (Like the pre-empted financial news programs on FoxBiz) will show up again. For a time, at least, until the next circus comes to town.
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The prosecution didn't PROVE anything!! It was all supposition and suggestion.
The law - in any capitol murder case - is that the prosecution is the side that MUST prove guilt beyond a shadow of doubt.
For the last time, it's a reasonable doubt, not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". Sheesh.
It's a circumstantial case, still completely valid. If you are in a building without windows, come out and everything is covered in snow, and it's cold outside you can conclude that it snowed while you were in doors. You didn't see the snow coming down but it is reasonable to assume it snowed, from clouds in the sky. Is it possible that someone came around with a snow machine? Possible but not a reasonable assumption.
Looking at all the facts together, the smell in the car, the lies, the last person seen with Caylee, the place the body was tossed, the duct tape, Casey's behavior, the computer searches there is no other reasonable explanation than that Casey killed Caylee. No has offered any other reasonable explanation, because there simply isn't one.
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4. Why didn't Dr. G open the skull? I'm not a ME, but I thought the ME's job was to check everything which I would think would include a complete exam inside the skull. I realize that the anthropologist said that it wouldn't be done in an anthropological exam, but the ME wouldn't really be doing an anthropological exam.
The skull didn't need to be cut open because it wasn't attached to anything. The ME could clearly see everything she needed to see by looking through the hole at the bottom. Why cut it open? A cut would damage it more than necessary.
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The skull didn't need to be cut open because it wasn't attached to anything. The ME could clearly see everything she needed to see by looking through the hole at the bottom. Why cut it open? A cut would damage it more than necessary.
Yep that's the way they explained it during the rebuttle. Cutting the skull of a child open destroys the skull because the bone hasn't grown together fully yet.
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I'm just glad the damn case is over. I got tired of it being headline news over a week ago.
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I'm upset Caylee will never get justice.
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I'm upset Caylee will never get justice.
Yes she will. The good Lord knows who killed her. He will provide the justice in His own way.
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I think Fox gave a rundown on 6 of the jurors, this is what I remember them saying, 2 only went to school til 11th grade, 1 had a DUI, 1 was charged with assaulting a Parent, and 2 other things about 2 of the jurors, WTF? is that the best they can get?
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The bitch was found guilty of lying to police, what did she lie about? a murder she was responsible for yet the jury found her not guilty.
Hi-****ing-five! This is just deplorable. I'llo say it again...DEPLORABLE! I just got home from work about 20 minutes ago. I was in a good mood until 1:15 at work, and then it was shot to shit. Replaced by sorrow, and seathing anger. I have no idea how the jury did what they did. My pappy is watching TV right now, so I can't see if any jurors are being interviewed or not, but I'll be watching Grace tonight to get everything I missed. Anyone have any HLN stream links or anything? This burns the pit of my stomach. For those of you thinking that George did this, or one of the other family members did this, look at what Casey was found GUILTY of, look at what BG posted in that quote, and tell me how that makes one IOTA of sense.
Today, my heart and soul cries for Caylee.
:mad: :bawl:
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I think Fox gave a rundown on 6 of the jurors, this is what I remember them saying, 2 only went to school til 11th grade, 1 had a DUI, 1 was charged with assaulting a Parent, and 2 other things about 2 of the jurors, WTF? is that the best they can get?
A jury of her peers....
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It's very hard, but I made a promise to myself years ago, after sitting on a big civil case jury, to never second guess the verdict of any jury. For one thing, I remember we kept getting booted out of the room while the lawyers argued. Who knows what scraps of info we were not privy to that everyone else who cared to sit in the courtroom heard? Second, the jury MUST abide by the law and put the law above its own collective wants, needs, etc.
Do I personally think the mother is guilty? As sin. Probably major involvement by the parents as well. But, it's just my opinion. Going by the law, the prosecutors did not prove their case, at least not in the eyes of the jury. I would not want to sit on a case where an innocent person, or a person guilty of less than coldblooded murder, could be sent to death row if I had only circumstantial evidence to rely on.
It bears repeating that the accused does NOT have to prove their innocence. Quite to the contrary. The burden is on the prosecution.
There are three, or four, entities, who know the truth. The poor baby, her mother and God. If Casey is really innocent, the fourth entity to know the truth is the actual murderer. Whoever killed precious Caylee will have their day in a higher court, and then I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.
Meanwhile, back on Earth, we do still have the best justice system in the world, imperfect and humanly flawed as it may be, and often is. THIS, I firmly believe.
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It bears repeating that the accused does NOT have to prove their innocence. Quite to the contrary. The burden is on the prosecution.
That's the way it's supposed to work, but far too often, it doesn't.
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Second, the jury MUST abide by the law
NO
THEY
DON'T.
Ever hear of jury nullification?
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It's very hard, but I made a promise to myself years ago, after sitting on a big civil case jury, to never second guess the verdict of any jury. For one thing, I remember we kept getting booted out of the room while the lawyers argued. Who knows what scraps of info we were not privy to that everyone else who cared to sit in the courtroom heard? Second, the jury MUST abide by the law and put the law above its own collective wants, needs, etc.
Do I personally think the mother is guilty? As sin. Probably major involvement by the parents as well. But, it's just my opinion. Going by the law, the prosecutors did not prove their case, at least not in the eyes of the jury. I would not want to sit on a case where an innocent person, or a person guilty of less than coldblooded murder, could be sent to death row if I had only circumstantial evidence to rely on.
It bears repeating that the accused does NOT have to prove their innocence. Quite to the contrary. The burden is on the prosecution.
There are three, or four, entities, who know the truth. The poor baby, her mother and God. If Casey is really innocent, the fourth entity to know the truth is the actual murderer. Whoever killed precious Caylee will have their day in a higher court, and then I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.
Meanwhile, back on Earth, we do still have the best justice system in the world, imperfect and humanly flawed as it may be, and often is. THIS, I firmly believe.
Casey still should have received aggravated child abuse and aggravated manslaughter. I can see not receiving the death penalty. I didn't think she would get it after a couple of weeks into the trial.
I want to know what the jurors were thinking. You have a child "missing" for 31 days and the mother doesn't report it to anyone?
And I agree with everyone else. How can you be found guilty on lying the police ONLY and nothing else? You obviously LIED about something. So at least one of those other charges should have stuck too. Just my opinion. Too bad I was too invested into this case to even be considered a juror if I lived in Florida.
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Yep that's the way they explained it during the rebuttle. Cutting the skull of a child open destroys the skull because the bone hasn't grown together fully yet.
They didn't say that it destroyed the skull if I remember correctly. They said it could possibly cause cracking in the skull because the bones in a child's head hasn't completely fused together. In an open and shut case I would agree; however, this was far from an open and shut case. I would assume that many things done in an autopsy does some sort of damage to the body. I'm pretty sure in an autopsy with a corpse (with flesh) that the sternum is cut to gain access to the chest cavity. This would cause damage; yet from my understanding, this is done in an autopsy.
I don't know, but I would have to assume that the hole in the skull that the spinal column passes through is very small. Especially so in a child. While I'm sure that looking through this in an anthropological exam is perfectly fine I would think that in an actual autopsy where every little clue is important it would be better to have more access to the interior of the skull.
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Ouch!
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj140/RepublicanandProud/OJ.jpg)
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It's very hard, ...
...Meanwhile, back on Earth, we do still have the best justice system in the world, imperfect and humanly flawed as it may be, and often is. THIS, I firmly believe.
A solemn high 5.
I don't know why the jury decided as they did. Hard not to second-guess them right now.
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Porch Lights on for Caylee 9PM EST tonight:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=237189926299700
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I am listening to kfi640 online. the only juror who spoke was a alternate. They did not know that Casey was out parting all night all the time. They thought the father was hiding something. They did not think the prosecution showed a motive for the killing.
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I am listening to kfi640 online. the only juror who spoke was a alternate. They did not know that Casey was out parting all night all the time. They thought the father was hiding something. They did not think the prosecution showed a motive for the killing.
The jury rarely hears the full story.
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A solemn high 5.
I don't know why the jury decided as they did. Hard not to second-guess them right now.
Yeah, I wasn't into this case, and not because I didn't feel total compassion for the little girl Caylee. Simply because the last time I was totally engrossed and invested in a case was the OJ trial and I remember being so pissed off and weeping angrily for days afterwards. Then, not quite ten years later I sat on a three week civil case; I am sure there are relatives out there today cursing all of us for not rendering the "correct" verdict. But, we swore an oath to hear the evidence impartially and to render our finding accordingly.
Do juries abuse this? Oh, of course, but if we cannot rely upon our jury system, on what CAN we rely? Oldfashioned hangings? Running people out of town on a rail?
I'll rely upon the highest court of all to finally sort out who deserves eternal punishment.
I know my opinion isn't popular today-hell part of me is pissed off at myself. So be it. It's still better by far for nine guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be executed. Particularly if you're that innocent man.
Not saying Casey is innocent, but her punishment, whether or not she is guilty, is only just beginning, as did OJ's. And it may continue for eternity.
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It's very hard, but I made a promise to myself years ago, after sitting on a big civil case jury, to never second guess the verdict of any jury. For one thing, I remember we kept getting booted out of the room while the lawyers argued. Who knows what scraps of info we were not privy to that everyone else who cared to sit in the courtroom heard? Second, the jury MUST abide by the law and put the law above its own collective wants, needs, etc.
Do I personally think the mother is guilty? As sin. Probably major involvement by the parents as well. But, it's just my opinion. Going by the law, the prosecutors did not prove their case, at least not in the eyes of the jury. I would not want to sit on a case where an innocent person, or a person guilty of less than coldblooded murder, could be sent to death row if I had only circumstantial evidence to rely on.
It bears repeating that the accused does NOT have to prove their innocence. Quite to the contrary. The burden is on the prosecution.
There are three, or four, entities, who know the truth. The poor baby, her mother and God. If Casey is really innocent, the fourth entity to know the truth is the actual murderer. Whoever killed precious Caylee will have their day in a higher court, and then I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.
Meanwhile, back on Earth, we do still have the best justice system in the world, imperfect and humanly flawed as it may be, and often is. THIS, I firmly believe.
Completely agree!
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Casey still should have received aggravated child abuse and aggravated manslaughter. I can see not receiving the death penalty. I didn't think she would get it after a couple of weeks into the trial.
I want to know what the jurors were thinking. You have a child "missing" for 31 days and the mother doesn't report it to anyone?
And I agree with everyone else. How can you be found guilty on lying the police ONLY and nothing else? You obviously LIED about something. So at least one of those other charges should have stuck too. Just my opinion. Too bad I was too invested into this case to even be considered a juror if I lived in Florida.
Just out of curiosity have you ever been on a criminal trial jury?
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The jury rarely hears the full story.
Sigh. Which is why I don't judge their verdicts. Like I mentioned upthread, on the case I sat on, we jurors were constantly being escorted from the room, sometimes for hours. :(
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Just out of curiosity have you ever been on a criminal trial jury?
No, never been on a jury at all.
Are you referring to my opinion on the death penalty or just my all around strong opinions about the case?
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Just now got word that Prosecutor Ashton has prosecuted his last case. He is retiring.
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from facebook.
The Official KFI AM 640
Anthony Family Statement: "While we may never know what happened to Caylee, we now have closure for this chapter of their life. We will now begin the long process of rebuilding our lives.
Despite the baseless defense chosen by Casey Anthony, the family believes that the Jury made a fair decision based on evidence presented, testimony presented, scientific information presented and rules given to guide them..."
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WILL THE PARENTS NOW TRY TO FIND THE REAL KILLER? WILL CASEY USE THAT AS WELL?
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No, never been on a jury at all.
Are you referring to my opinion on the death penalty or just my all around strong opinions about the case?
Actually I was referring to neither.
I know from experience that when you are actually on that jury and you know that you hold someone's life/freedom in your own hands.... It is totally different than judging from the "outside".
It is totally different than reading about the evidence or even watching it on TV or the net. At the end of the trial it is YOU and a few others that hold the defendant's fate in your hands.
It makes a difference. At least it did to me.
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I'm really really hoping Zeneida Gonzalez (sp) sues Casey for defamation of character. I think she was planning on suing Casey, but since she was awaiting trial, ZG was unable to file the civil lawsuit.
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Sigh. Which is why I don't judge their verdicts. Like I mentioned upthread, on the case I sat on, we jurors were constantly being escorted from the room, sometimes for hours. :(
Been there and it sucked.
The last jury I sat on I cornered the judge about that after the trial had ended.
I asked him "How can you expect a Jury to render a judgment when they obviously kept from hearing the entirety of the evidence?"
I got a bunch of lawyer bullshit as an answer. I told him the same. (that it was a bunch of lawyer bullshit)
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Now if Casey is released soon who is going to hang out with her? The defense ruined the parents so will she stay at their house? Of course she will get a huge $ deal for a interview. Who will hang with her now? Her life is now changed forever. Nobody will ever forgive her. Or forget.
Casey Anthony may as well change her name to Osama bin Laden or Adolf Hitler while she is at it. I am sure North Korea will take her in.
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This was posted at FR:
Alternate Juror "Russ" on HLN with Vinnie. Good Lord in Heaven...if this man is indicative of the mentality of the rest of the jury that is one STUPID bunch of people. He agrees with the verdict "wholeheartedly." He blamed GEORGE and it sounds like they all did. He said he thought it was "a horrific accident that spun out of control." "George and the family chose to hide it, for whatever reason, because they couldn't deal with it."
As for Caylee's remains in trunk...he has a hard time believing it. Did not find the testimony of the people who "smelled death credible." Doesn't believe Caylee was even in the car.
Thinks the whole family was in cahoots in the disposal of the body.
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This was posted at FR:
The whole Anthony family is dysfunctional.
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I haven't read all the posts today so forgive me if this has already been addressed but did Casey's attorney offend anyone else today with his news conference after the verdict? His rant against the death penalty and then his comments in Spanish? What in the hell was the point of speaking in Spanish?
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I haven't read all the posts today so forgive me if this has already been addressed but did Casey's attorney offend anyone else today with his news conference after the verdict? His rant against the death penalty and then his comments in Spanish? What in the hell was the point of speaking in Spanish?
Yes it offended me.
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I haven't read all the posts today so forgive me if this has already been addressed but did Casey's attorney offend anyone else today with his news conference after the verdict? His rant against the death penalty and then his comments in Spanish? What in the hell was the point of speaking in Spanish?
I was wondering how many "hispanics" were on the jury. That could have made it an O.J. type of race thing. I saw a few minutes of Geraldo, and it sounded like he wanted a homo marriage to Jose Baez. That speech in Mexican was Jose advertising for business.
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I was wondering how many "hispanics" were on the jury. That could have made it an O.J. type of race thing. I saw a few minutes of Geraldo, and it sounded like he wanted a homo marriage to Jose Baez. That speech in Mexican was Jose advertising for business.
Interesting you mentioned that. I don't think Casey Anthony is Hispanic as far as I know. As for the OJ Simpson trial, I still think it should of been a mistrial.
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Isn't Florida the same place that had people that couldn't figure out how to punch a ballot? Maybe there is a trend here?
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In a sane world, The ATF's Operation Fast And Furious scandal would get such heavy coverage.
The ATF needs to be disbanded as it should of been a long time ago.
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She didn't have the Dream team and she's as far away from OJ as anyone can get...certainly no celebrity nor money on her part. No hard evidence. I sit here with a heavy heart, Calyee is gone without any justice. I couldn't say she did it I don't know, but I can't judge her, nor blame the jury.
Is it me or does it seem that courts seem to sweep little children's deaths under the table?
Whoever did this to that beautiful baby, will meet with their maker and receive due justice then.
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Casey will devote the rest of her life to finding the real killer.
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Casey will devote the rest of her life to finding the real killer.
She will check every happy hour and club having a hot body contest.
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So this is how it ends in this life, huh? Not guilty. Could be guilty, but we'll just let her slide, because we didn't see enough evidence from Prosecution.[/jury]
Dammit! :mad:
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So this is how it ends in this life, huh? Not guilty. Could be guilty, but we'll just let her slide, because we didn't see enough evidence from Prosecution.[/jury]
Dammit! :mad:
Casey isn't getting away with it. She's going to much rather be in prison once she walks out of the local jail.
I'm on the other side of the country, but have friend's who live in the Orlando area. They say people there HATE Casey. All that "woman" is going to hear shouted at her is, 'BABY KILLER!!' and 'MURDERER!' her whole life. No one in their right mind will hire her. She will have no friends. No boyfriend. No place to live, if mommy & her "molester" father disown her. Having to go through your life watching your back. Living in paranoia because you KNOW people are out to get you.
Oh, and if Casey does move back home, why would you want to move in with someone who "molested" you your whole life? I just don't get it. I know the whole Anthony family is dysfunctional. George & Cindy can have their murderous daughter living back home with them. They can all start to sort out their lives and "rebuild" their relationships.
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There's no way on earth she'd be able to live anywhere without fear of being abused or worse. I wonder if she has a ton of fan mail from weirdos while she was in jail...so maybe one will be the "lucky guy"....Maybe she'll find a sugar daddy that'll have her identity changed.
I wasn't around when OJ killed his wife, but I wonder if he ever left his house without fear...
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She's not a fighter. You can tell just by looking at her. She's a crazed, narcissistic, sociopath. That and 2 bucks will get you a cup of coffee.
She deserves whatever she has coming! I'll wait for the Fox News Alert with gleeful anticipation.
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‎"It is better to risk letting a guilty man go free, than to condemn an innocent one." -- Voltaire
Maybe true, but it still sucks in this case.
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Casey isn't getting away with it. She's going to much rather be in prison once she walks out of the local jail.
I'm on the other side of the country, but have friend's who live in the Orlando area. They say people there HATE Casey. All that "woman" is going to hear shouted at her is, 'BABY KILLER!!' and 'MURDERER!' her whole life. No one in their right mind will hire her. She will have no friends. No boyfriend. No place to live, if mommy & her "molester" father disown her. Having to go through your life watching your back. Living in paranoia because you KNOW people are out to get you.
Oh, and if Casey does move back home, why would you want to move in with someone who "molested" you your whole life? I just don't get it. I know the whole Anthony family is dysfunctional. George & Cindy can have their murderous daughter living back home with them. They can all start to sort out their lives and "rebuild" their relationships.
A girl with a million bucks and loose morals will always have lots of friends, no matter what she's done.
O.J. was never lacking for company, and his crime was every bit as heinous as Casey's.
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I just an hour or so reading 25 pages of this. My heart bleeds for the little girl. I have butterflies , like i always do, when i read about babies and other small children dying because a parent, or another supposed loved one kills them. How frightening for these little ones. Sometimes the killer is brought to justice and there is closure for the remaining family members, unfortunately for this precious little girl, there will be no closure. So many questions and no answers. Hopefully, someone will reopen this case, and the true killer will be found and justice will be served....until then, let God bring her into heaven and into his loving protection.....
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A girl with a million bucks and loose morals will always have lots of friends, no matter what she's done.
O.J. was never lacking for company, and his crime was every bit as heinous as Casey's.
More than welcome to go to Abbottabad, Pakistan and live at bin Laden's compound or Somalia and be with the terrorists.
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A girl with a million bucks and loose morals will always have lots of friends, no matter what she's done.
O.J. was never lacking for company, and his crime was every bit as heinous as Casey's.
Yeah, and OJ is serving a prison sentence just outside of Las Vegas currently.
Casey doesn't have her million dollars... yet. And yes, it's so sick to think she is going to get paid for committing murder.
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Yeah, and OJ is serving a prison sentence just outside of Las Vegas currently.
Casey doesn't have her million dollars... yet. And yes, it's so sick to think she is going to get paid for committing murder.
I am sure Al-Qaeda will pay her. I heard Osama bin Laden left some money for Casey Anthony. Two scumbags of the same kind.
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I'm upset Caylee will never get justice.
Me also - I'm still just dumbfounded :thatsright: with the verdict.
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This picture tells all doesn't it?
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There's no way on earth she'd be able to live anywhere without fear of being abused or worse. I wonder if she has a ton of fan mail from weirdos while she was in jail...so maybe one will be the "lucky guy"....Maybe she'll find a sugar daddy that'll have her identity changed.
I wasn't around when OJ killed his wife, but I wonder if he ever left his house without fear...
You need to read his book, "If I Did It". He did. You might still be able to find it online.
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What shocks me is the number of people willing to accept something as Gospel because the source is someone in a position of authority. Why don't you think back to the prosecutor's statement after the verdict. He blamed everybody except his own office. It was the typical prosecutorial hubris that case, pure and simple. She could have been charged with any other form of homicide or manslaughter and she would be walking an 8x12 cell. Place the blame where it belongs.
Here's the facts of the case we know to be true: An innocent child is dead. Period. End of story. Full stop. Everything else beyond that point is opinion, theory, conjecture. You don't know. I don't know. The killer knows. Accomplices know. God knows.
There was a little nugget from Dr. Keith Ablow in the Fox News wrap-up regarding the grandfather's suicide attempt. In his 20 years as a forensic psychologist he has never known a grandparent to attempt suicide in a situation like this but guilty people do.
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There was a soul or 2 sold to get this verdict.
Someone made a comment in the online chat yesterday to Jose Baez. Hey Jose if you have plans to go out celebrating this weekend Casey should be available to babysit Friday.
I wonder how many on the defense team would allow her anywhere near their kids.
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Prosecuter Ashton is on The View right now. In NYC.
First one to be making money from all of this is the lead prosecuter. Who da thought?
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You need to read his book, "If I Did It". He did. You might still be able to find it online.
Agree! I read it and was disgusted. He had too many details that only the killer would know.
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This picture tells all doesn't it?
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Well, really, if you had just found out that instead of a death warrant and the needle, you were suddenly only looking at serving time for four misdemeanors and with the majority of even that already behind you, wouldn't you crack a smile? Yeah, she's a scumdog, but it's a basic human reaction.
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Prosecuter Ashton is on The View right now. In NYC.
First one to be making money from all of this is the lead prosecuter. Who da thought?
It was his hubris that brought the Not Guilty verdict.
Let's do a little bit of prosector speak, shall we? "This was going to be his crowning achievement. The cherry on top of his career. Going out in a blaze of glory!
He could have gone for a lesser charge but what would that be? Convicting some 23 year old bimbo on a circumstantial case? That wasn't anyway to go out, he had to go for the gold!
But ladies and gentleman of the jury, that is what happens when pride makes you fly too close to the Sun. You lose. Just like this guy lost. "
It was a sure bet he was gonna hit the talk show circuit. Vince Bugliosi started that train rolling.
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Mods, this post probably needs to be moved somewhere else, as I'm getting totally :offtopic:
This case reminds me of the controversy and questions that linger in the Jeffrey R. MacDonald conviction of the murder of his wife and two kids. His wife was pregnant, so actually he was guilty of four murders. If he was truly guilty...I've read alot about the case, and still can't decide whether or not he actually committed the crime. :???:
One of the prosecutors, James Blackburn, was later disbarred. The crime scene was trampled by MP's and everyone's brother initially-no one was logging in the people who entered the Ft. Bragg quarters.
I read Fatal Vision, whose author settled out of court with MacDonald for 200K after being sued for ethical breaches in journalism. Then I read the rebuttal book, Fatal Justice. Not sure why this case, among a handful of others, have intrigued me for so long. Diane Downs is another. And Cullen Davis' acquittal for wounding his ex-wife and killing his preteen stepdaughter.
All of these cases involved babies, or young children. Death is such a waste, particularly when the very young are involved. :bawl:
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It was his hubris that brought the Not Guilty verdict.
Let's do a little bit of prosector speak, shall we? "This was going to be his crowning achievement. The cherry on top of his career. Going out in a blaze of glory!
He could have gone for a lesser charge but what would that be? Convicting some 23 year old bimbo on a circumstantial case? That wasn't anyway to go out, he had to go for the gold!
But ladies and gentleman of the jury, that is what happens when pride makes you fly too close to the Sun. You lose. Just like this guy lost. "
It was a sure bet he was gonna hit the talk show circuit. Vince Bugliosi started that train rolling.
I think the suicide was just an attention ploy. The whole family loves attention and will do anything for it. A family of attention whores. :mental:
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Casey Anthony Writes About Wanting More Babies
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-children/story?id=14009375
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I think the suicide was just an attention ploy. The whole family loves attention and will do anything for it. A family of attention whores. :mental:
Ain't that the truth!
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Casey Anthony Writes About Wanting More Babies
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-children/story?id=14009375
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She talks about a possible adoption. Yeah, like any adoption agency would give HER a baby.
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She talks about a possible adoption. Yeah, like any adoption agency would give HER a baby.
If I was an adoption agency, I would rather give a baby to Nadya Suleman than Casey Anthony. :o
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Casey Anthony Subpoenaed In Civil Case
http://www.wesh.com/r/28463623/detail.html
Zenaida Gonzalez-Fernandez is suing. I expect more civil suits against Casey Anthony.
After acquittal, what lies ahead for Casey Anthony: A life in hiding? A book deal? Motherhood?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-acquittal-what-lies-ahead-for-casey-anthony-a-life-in-hiding-a-book-deal-motherhood/2011/07/06/gIQATcJ90H_story.html
“Anthony will always be dogged by the belief that she killed her child,†said Lewis Katz, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland. “She will never lead a normal life.â€
I have never heard of anyone like Anthony of Simpson reverse their image. People like them are hated even in death.
he may have to get out of town. Threats have been made against her, and online she is being vilified. Nearly 15,000 people “liked†the “I hate Casey Anthony†page on Facebook, which included comments wishing her the same fate that befell little Caylee. Ti McCleod, who lives a few doors from Anthony’s parents, said: “Society is a danger to Casey; she’s not a danger to society.â€
I still stand by that she should go to North Korea, Venezuela, Afghanistan, or Pakistan.
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Good. I gope the real "Zanni" does go for her throat. I hope every red cent this bitch makes off of movie, book, interview deals goes DIRECTLY to Zenaida. Targeted for no reason. Now at least SHE'LL get some retribution.
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Good. I gope the real "Zanni" does go for her throat. I hope every red cent this bitch makes off of movie, book, interview deals goes DIRECTLY to Zenaida. Targeted for no reason. Now at least SHE'LL get some retribution.
Also, Equusearch is considering suing Anthony.
Local search group considers suing Casey Anthony
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=8235234
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Anthony faces many challenges once freed
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-07-06-casey-anthony-what-next_n.htm
He said Anthony has to work hard to rehabilitate her image, starting with showing remorse or grief over her daughter's death.
I don't see that happening. People like her are not like that.
Seattle psychologist Gregory Jantz said Anthony's experience puts her at risk of depression, anxiety and panic attacks.
"This is a girl who needs help," he said. He said Anthony may turn to addiction or return to the hard-partying lifestyle she led before her arrest as a way to numb her feelings.
Jantz said not just Anthony but also her parents and brother need counseling.
"It's a very dysfunctional family system that could explode," he said.
I don't think Anthony can be saved. She is a sociopath/psychopath and they cannot be changed let alone reasoned.
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Anthony faces many challenges once freed
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-07-06-casey-anthony-what-next_n.htm
I don't see that happening. People like her are not like that.
I don't think Anthony can be saved. She is a sociopath/psychopath and they cannot be changed let alone reasoned.
Wouldn't bother me if she takes the suicide route as long as she does it only to herself.
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She talks about a possible adoption. Yeah, like any adoption agency would give HER a baby.
If she has enough money, there's no doubt whatever that she could buy an "adopted" child from some third world hellhole.
It's being done every day.
She'd probably have to use an agent to avoid publicity, but with money it would be a snap.
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UPDATE: Casey Anthony to be released next week
Judge Belvin Perry sentenced Casey Anthony to 4 years in prison for lying to investigators
Read more: http://www.wlac.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=8801240#ixzz1RRLArpTQ
Has anyone heard if the state will file an appeal?
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Has anyone heard if the state will file an appeal?
Haven't heard anything official, but I have heard several former prosecutors on Fox say that they didn't think there was any grounds for it.
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AMAZING HOW TODAY IN COURT HER LOOK WAS SO DIFFERENT WITH HER HAIR DOWN! :mad:
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AMAZING HOW TODAY IN COURT HER LOOK WAS SO DIFFERENT WITH HER HAIR DOWN! :mad:
Yep, she is going into full slut mode
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Has anyone heard if the state will file an appeal?
No reason for an appeal, Judge Perry sentenced her to the maximum he could and due to the time served and gain time for keeping her nose clean while she was in PC, she'll be free Wednesday.
She doesn't even get any probation or anything they could do the Vampire Rapist trick on to throw her back under the jail either. :argh:
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No reason for an appeal, Judge Perry sentenced her to the maximum he could and due to the time served and gain time for keeping her nose clean while she was in PC, she'll be free Wednesday.
She doesn't even get any probation or anything they could do the Vampire Rapist trick on to throw her back under the jail either. :argh:
Is there a legal reason to give credit for time served when the person is held without bail or can not afford bail? Did the judge have to give her the credit for that and for good behavior?
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Has anyone heard if the state will file an appeal?
It's almost impossible for the State to appeal a criminal trial court verdict in favor of a defendant. There are good reasons for it in the big picture, tough as it may be to take in the individual case.
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Typical, smarmy, liberal, ambulance chasing lawyer. :mad: :fuelfire:
Casey Anthony Lawyer Caught on Camera Flipping Off the Media
Yesterday, Casey Anthony defense lawyer Cheney Mason delivered a scathing critique of the media, accusing “biased, prejudiced, and incompetent talking heads“ of â€media assassination.†Apparently, his crusade against the media continued after the press conference, as the Associated Press caught him giving the media the middle finger afterwards at a local restaurant:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/Cheney-Masonfinger.jpg)
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Don't ever doubt life stops being a popularity contest.
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How childish can you get////??? :mad:
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How childish can you get////??? :mad:
He's a smarmy lawyer. There is no end to childish behavior with them. Did you hear him speak? My wife was recently on a jury (they found a druggie guilty on all counts) and she said if she had to listen to him she'd fall asleep. I felt the same way. What a turd.
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He's a smarmy lawyer. There is no end to childish behavior with them. Did you hear him speak? My wife was recently on a jury (they found a druggie guilty on all counts) and she said if she had to listen to him she'd fall asleep. I felt the same way. What a turd.
No , I didn't watch the trial. I like to keep the contents of my meal in my stomache, thank you very much!!
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Is there a legal reason to give credit for time served when the person is held without bail or can not afford bail? Did the judge have to give her the credit for that and for good behavior?
Gain time is applied equally across the board to all inmates. Just because someone got away with it during trial doesn't allow the system to punish arbitrarily afterwards.
Bail is completely optional, they can grant it but the suspect doesn't have to take it. I've known someone who refused bail several times until they finally needed the room and threw his ass out of jail. :rotf:
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Typical, smarmy, liberal, ambulance chasing lawyer. :mad: :fuelfire:
(http://MiG.photobucket.com/albums/v645/low freeboard/.jog)
The best part of his whole rant he went on is his hypocrisy. He WAS one of those talking head lawyers who were on TV criticizing and commenting. He was disgusted by Casey, Baez and the way he was handling things early on. His tune changed once he got hired on.
He's nothing more than a skeezy scumbag exactly like he railed against.
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Typical, smarmy, liberal, ambulance chasing lawyer. :mad: :fuelfire:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/Cheney-Masonfinger.jpg)
That is so unprofessional. Some people have no class whatsoever.
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That is so unprofessional. Some people have no class whatsoever.
(http://i.eprci.net/obama-flip)
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Just heard a lightening bolt hit a tree at the memorial site for little Caylee. Someone's angry...
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Just heard a lightening bolt hit a tree at the memorial site for little Caylee. Someone's angry...
maybe God is just testing out his aim and will get Casey on the 13th...............ohhhhhh the 13th! :hyper:
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maybe God is just testing out his aim and will get Casey on the 13th...............ohhhhhh the 13th! :hyper:
Too bad it's not a Friday.
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(http://i.eprci.net/obama-flip)
Barack Obama has not class either. Cheney Mason and Obama are narcissists.
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BOMBSHELL FLASHBACK: ABC News Paid $200,000 to Casey Anthony Family
http://nation.foxnews.com/casey-anthony-trial/2011/07/07/bombshell-abc-news-paid-200000-casey-anthony-family
ABC News paid the Anthony family.
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BOMBSHELL FLASHBACK: ABC News Paid $200,000 to Casey Anthony Family
http://nation.foxnews.com/casey-anthony-trial/2011/07/07/bombshell-abc-news-paid-200000-casey-anthony-family
ABC News paid the Anthony family.
They are not the only news outlet who paid the Anthony family.
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Bet she can't even get a job in the porn industry. Of course they have a higher moral standard than someone who would kill their own baby, lie to the police, party, lie to the police, get a tattoo, lie to the police, party...
Cindie
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Vivid already made her an offer.
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Who or what is Vivid?
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They are in the porn business.
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They are in the porn business.
Why am I not surprised?
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Vivid withdrew their offer. They didn't want to offend their customers. :lmao:
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=22234&count=0
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She was found not guilty. That's it. She walked into the court room and was presumed innocent. The prosecution did not prove her guilty. The defense created doubt. If you don't like the way it was handled, move to Russia and let them convict you without a trial. Everyone complaining about this outcome piss me off. I don't care what you think it should have been, the jury heard the evidence and all 12 found her not guilty.
Someone definitely killed that baby, but no one proved it was Casey beyond a shadow of a doubt. How would you all feel if they convicted her, gave her a lethal injection and then found out that the dad really did it? It could not be easy for that jury to send someone to death or life in prison with doubt still in their minds.
Let the bitch slaps begin. I know whenever I inject a little calm and common sense instead of bowing down to the "new rage" people slap me for it. So who wants to be the first?
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She was found not guilty. That's it. She walked into the court room and was presumed innocent. The prosecution did not prove her guilty. The defense created doubt. If you don't like the way it was handled, move to Russia and let them convict you without a trial. Everyone complaining about this outcome piss me off. I don't care what you think it should have been, the jury heard the evidence and all 12 found her not guilty.
Someone definitely killed that baby, but no one proved it was Casey beyond a shadow of a doubt. How would you all feel if they convicted her, gave her a lethal injection and then found out that the dad really did it? It could not be easy for that jury to send someone to death or life in prison with doubt still in their minds.
Let the bitch slaps begin. I know whenever I inject a little calm and common sense instead of bowing down to the "new rage" people slap me for it. So who wants to be the first?
You are not the only one capable of a "little calm and common sense" around here. In fact, if you spend any time at all here you will see that the posters in this thread you are trying to school are full of common sense.
It is perfectly understandable to be outraged over this case and the outcome. The state did not win their case. The defense created reasonable (not a shadow of by the way) doubt. Casey got off.
No one has to be happy about it. A sweet innocent baby was killed. Casey will face her ultimate judgment someday.
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I never suggested that I was the only one who did have common sense. But to read people say that they hope she (Casey) gets the ultimate judgement or that she won't be able to get a job or even porn won't hire her, is not common sense. That is just stupid. First of all, she was found not guilty which means she should be able to get a job doing anything she is qualified for. This case should not be held against her. The accusations weren't proven. My gosh, I hope no one on here ever gets wrongfully accused of anything.
I just can not stand it when people think they are smarter than jury of someone's peers. Casey will be out of jail in less than two weeks and I hope people let her move on with her life. If people can't do that then they need a lesson in history and why we have the best justice system in the world. And maybe they should become prosecuting attorneys who can actually prove guilt. Until then, let the chick be.
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She was found not guilty. That's it. She walked into the court room and was presumed innocent. The prosecution did not prove her guilty. The defense created doubt. If you don't like the way it was handled, move to Russia and let them convict you without a trial. Everyone complaining about this outcome piss me off. I don't care what you think it should have been, the jury heard the evidence and all 12 found her not guilty.
Someone definitely killed that baby, but no one proved it was Casey beyond a shadow of a doubt. How would you all feel if they convicted her, gave her a lethal injection and then found out that the dad really did it? It could not be easy for that jury to send someone to death or life in prison with doubt still in their minds.
Let the bitch slaps begin. I know whenever I inject a little calm and common sense instead of bowing down to the "new rage" people slap me for it. So who wants to be the first?
If us exercising our freedom of speech pisses you off, you can move to Russia.
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First of all, she was found not guilty which means she should be able to get a job doing anything she is qualified for.
That pretty much limits her career path to the one Vivid was offering, but now she's even screwed that up.
I have a hunch that after the dust settles a little bit, Vivid will come back with a less public offer.
She'll have to do it for fun, though, because it looks like Zanni the Nanny's ambulance chaser will attach every dime she makes.
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Casey was found guilty on four counts of lying to law enforcement. Not sure about other companies, but I wouldn't hire a known liar AND thief. She may not have been found guilty of first degree murder, aggravated child abuse or manslaughter, but that does not mean she was INNOCENT. The jury says they didn't have enough evidence to convict Casey, but they never said she was innocent and did not do it.
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She was found not guilty. That's it. She walked into the court room and was presumed innocent. The prosecution did not prove her guilty. The defense created doubt. If you don't like the way it was handled, move to Russia and let them convict you without a trial. Everyone complaining about this outcome piss me off. I don't care what you think it should have been, the jury heard the evidence and all 12 found her not guilty.
Someone definitely killed that baby, but no one proved it was Casey beyond a shadow of a doubt. How would you all feel if they convicted her, gave her a lethal injection and then found out that the dad really did it? It could not be easy for that jury to send someone to death or life in prison with doubt still in their minds.
Let the bitch slaps begin. I know whenever I inject a little calm and common sense instead of bowing down to the "new rage" people slap me for it. So who wants to be the first?
Acquittal does not mean innocence. And who in their right mind would hire Casey Anthony? If they did, you can say go bye bye. If you don't like opinion, too bad. Frankly, I did not pay much attention to the Anthony case.
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If us exercising our freedom of speech pisses you off, you can move to either Russia North Korea, Myanmmar, Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba.
FIFY
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If us exercising our freedom of speech pisses you off, you can move to Russia.
Can you honestly NOT see the difference in you exercising freedom of speech and a person found not guilty being condemned in the public? Go ahead and write whatever you want, but when people start punishing her for things because of accusations that were found to be not true, then there is a HUGE difference. I think she had something to do with it, but no one proved it. So you have to let it go. That is the true American way. People are making trials like this seem like the Salem witch trials. Those chicks weren't proven to be witches, but the people convicted them of that and they died because of it. Get over yourselves!!!! Quit hating.
As for your later comment where you said you wouldn't hire a liar, that would be your choice if you owned a business. I doubt you do. But if you did, then that is your right. To wish or pray she never gets hired means that she will end up unemployed and possibly on welfare, so you just hired her to do nothing. Congratulations!! I would rather not pay a penny for her for the rest of her life, but hey, if you want to support her then I hope you get your wish. She will have a nice car, cable tv, air conditioned apartement and a food card on yours and my bill.
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Can you honestly NOT see the difference in you exercising freedom of speech and a person found not guilty being condemned in the public? Go ahead and write whatever you want, but when people start punishing her for things because of accusations that were found to be not true, then there is a HUGE difference. I think she had something to do with it, but no one proved it. So you have to let it go. That is the true American way. People are making trials like this seem like the Salem witch trials. Those chicks weren't proven to be witches, but the people convicted them of that and they died because of it. Get over yourselves!!!! Quit hating.
As for your later comment where you said you wouldn't hire a liar, that would be your choice if you owned a business. I doubt you do. But if you did, then that is your right. To wish or pray she never gets hired means that she will end up unemployed and possibly on welfare, so you just hired her to do nothing. Congratulations!! I would rather not pay a penny for her for the rest of her life, but hey, if you want to support her then I hope you get your wish. She will have a nice car, cable tv, air conditioned apartement and a food card on yours and my bill.
You're right, I do not own a business. What's the point? I was saying if I DID own a business, I wouldn't hire Casey Anthony. She would be a liability.
How would I hire Casey to do nothing? As long as she keeps her murderous ass out of Nevada, I don't pay a dime.
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You're right, I do not own a business. What's the point? I was saying if I DID own a business, I wouldn't hire Casey Anthony. She would be a liability.
How would I hire Casey to do nothing? As long as she keeps her murderous ass out of Nevada, I don't pay a dime.
Don't they take federal taxes out of your paycheck? Part of those taxes go to welfare. If she never gets hired, she will file for welfare. Do you even understand the stuff you post or are you just a reactionary? Think first.
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Don't they take federal taxes out of your paycheck? Part of those taxes go to welfare. If she never gets hired, she will file for welfare. Do you even understand the stuff you post or are you just a reactionary? Think first.
Why are you so defensive?
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Business in Florida are actually putting signs in their windows that say things like "Anthony Not Welcome Here." I would honestly be inclined to do the same.
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Business in Florida are actually putting signs in their windows that say things like "Anthony Not Welcome Here." I would honestly be inclined to do the same.
Some restaurants are banning jurors from their businesses too. Their choice. I understand people are upset, but I wouldn't take it out on the jurors. The verdict sucks, but they did what they had to do. The only person I am angry with is Casey Anthony.
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Business in Florida are actually putting signs in their windows that say things like "Anthony Not Welcome Here." I would honestly be inclined to do the same.
YOU ARE F**KING NUTS!!! How about the NO Colored signs that we used to have? Do you want them back? What is your all's problem? I would never think that conservatives would be so much against the American justice system. Good God!!!!! Not only is a sign like that illegal but to the dumbass who said they would put up a sign for the jurors too, you all don't belong here. It is that simple. READ THE CONSTITUTION!!!!
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YOU ARE F**KING NUTS!!! How about the NO Colored signs that we used to have? Do you want them back? What is your all's problem? I would never think that conservatives would be so much against the American justice system. Good God!!!!! Not only is a sign like that illegal but to the dumbass who said they would put up a sign for the jurors too, you all don't belong here. It is that simple. READ THE CONSTITUTION!!!!
For someone who just got off probatiion, you're pretty bold. Where do you get your balls big enough to directly slam me in the first sentence, and then proceed to hint that I am a racist? (Which couldn't be further from the truth, by the way.)
Go screw yourself.
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YOU ARE F**KING NUTS!!! How about the NO Colored signs that we used to have? Do you want them back? What is your all's problem? I would never think that conservatives would be so much against the American justice system. Good God!!!!! Not only is a sign like that illegal but to the dumbass who said they would put up a sign for the jurors too, you all don't belong here. It is that simple. READ THE CONSTITUTION!!!!
Dude. It has nothing to do with race. Second of all, we are expressing opinions. You are sounding self-righteous. Take a chill pill.
:chill: :chill: :chill: :chill:
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Uh-oh. Do I smell a troll?
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Uh-oh. Do I smell a troll?
unbiased has bee here for quite a while.
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unbiased has bee here for quite a while.
That does NOT mean that he/she/it was just waiting to become a member.
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This is what I am talking about. I didn't say anyone was racist. You said that signs not allowing Casey Anthony in a restaurant are okay. How is that different than someone not wanting anyone else in their establishment any different? If that is okay, then I should be able to say that "Jimmy who beat my son out for quarterback can't come to my restaurant" or "cg684 is not allowed in my restaurant because he was aquitted of something he may or may not did". Can you not see the irony in your own statements?
That is why I don't post here much. I am conservative and I like the news I get here. But I don't need someone elses approval to think for myself. If you all want her to never work again, then you just hired her. Let her get on with her life and pay for herself. And while she's doing that, go ahead and get your own lives. This mob mentality is union-like and you all know it. Get over yourselves.
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This is what I am talking about. I didn't say anyone was racist. You said that signs not allowing Casey Anthony in a restaurant are okay. How is that different than someone not wanting anyone else in their establishment any different? If that is okay, then I should be able to say that "Jimmy who beat my son out for quarterback can't come to my restaurant" or "cg684 is not allowed in my restaurant because he was aquitted of something he may or may not did". Can you not see the irony in your own statements?
That is why I don't post here much. I am conservative and I like the news I get here. But I don't need someone elses approval to think for myself. If you all want her to never work again, then you just hired her. Let her get on with her life and pay for herself. And while she's doing that, go ahead and get your own lives. This mob mentality is union-like and you all know it. Get over yourselves.
What mob mentality are you talking about? When people start saying that, you realize you lost your points. You are being self-righteous.
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That does NOT mean that he/she/it was just waiting to become a member.
I am thinking a mole rather than a troll.
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Before this thread degenerates into an enormous, unreasonable, blathering mess, SHE WAS ACQUITTED of murder.
You're free to argue against it, bitch and moan, but she is innocent of murder as far as the state of Florida is concerned. She has the same rights today as she did two years ago.
You're free to disagree and discuss, but keep it civil. Knock off the hyperbole and dramatics.
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I am thinking a mole rather than a troll.
Please explain how anything I have written makes me a mole or troll. All I have said is that she was found not guilty and she should be able to live her life like anyone else who was not guilty of killing their daughter. I even said I think she had something to do with it. But, to say she shouldn't be able to live her life as the free woman a jury found her to be is ridiculous.
So, someone show me a quote that implies I am anything by an American who is following the Constitution.
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YOU ARE F**KING NUTS!!! How about the NO Colored signs that we used to have? Do you want them back? What is your all's problem? I would never think that conservatives would be so much against the American justice system. Good God!!!!! Not only is a sign like that illegal but to the dumbass who said they would put up a sign for the jurors too, you all don't belong here. It is that simple. READ THE CONSTITUTION!!!!
Would you shut the **** up and go back to reading comprehension 101.
I said there are businesses putting up those signs. I did not say the businesses SHOULD do it.
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I was pretty much finished on this thread because there was no changing of minds to be done here. The Media Whore Nancy Grace poisoned the Casey Anthony's world with her wall-to-wall histrionics and the prosecutor's office in FLA finished the job based upon the fact it had to move venues. What people here or on other forums refuse to admit is they know only the facts of the case supplied by the media. There was no flow of mitigating evidence and to believe there was none is outrageous. The power of the state is basically limitless. Yet the supposed Conservatives are being spoon-fed the state's line and people are gobbling it like peaches and cream.
That said, if this was such a travesty of justice, the Judge had it within his power to overturn the verdict. He saw the evidence that was beyond view of the jury and he still let the verdict stand. I've read that it's been done before.
My wife has been on two juries. One civil, one criminal. On the criminal case, the prosecutor's office fulfilled the obligation of actually PROVING THE CASE and the defendant was found guilty but not until after each member of the jury spoke his or her piece.
Yeah, it's hard to look at the pictures of the adorable little child who won't be around to play anymore. And it's a fact to know if she looked like Little Lurch nobody would give a flying ****. But our legal system isn't based upon somebody's got a pay for that crime. It's based on rules of evidence.
Does it suck that in Casey Anthony most likely had been involved in some sort of bad act regarding Caylee's death and there will be no punishment? Yeah, it does. But we also have to think that same God who brought down a lightning bolt near the point where the body was found also had a part in moving the minds to a verdict of not guilty.
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What people here or on other forums refuse to admit is they know only the facts of the case supplied by the media. There was no flow of mitigating evidence and to believe there was none is outrageous.
Don't lump everyone into one huge category.
The state of Florida has the sunshine law (believe that's the right law, someone correct me if I am wrong), where all findings/evidence are to be released to the public. I used to open up those 500 page PDF files and read through the findings, pictures, etc. I did not read every single page, but went through a majority of the police reports, statements by the witnesses, friends, the Anthony's, etc.
You act like we only got our "facts" from Nancy Grace. ::)
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Don't lump everyone into one huge category.
The state of Florida has the sunshine law (believe that's the right law, someone correct me if I am wrong), where all findings/evidence are to be released to the public. I used to open up those 500 page PDF files and read through the findings, pictures, etc. I did not read every single page, but went through a majority of the police reports, statements by the witnesses, friends, the Anthony's, etc.
You act like we only got our "facts" from Nancy Grace. ::)
She's the personification of all that is wrong with court reporting. She is the Tina Fey of judicial reportage. I mock her whenever possible.
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She's the personification of all that is wrong with court reporting. She is the Tina Fey of judicial reportage. I mock her whenever possible.
I call her 'Ole Melon Head'.
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She's the personification of all that is wrong with court reporting. She is the Tina Fey of judicial reportage. I mock her whenever possible.
Okay. But don't lump everyone into this media brainwashing thing. Some of us actually did our OWN research.
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Don't lump everyone into one huge category.
The state of Florida has the sunshine law (believe that's the right law, someone correct me if I am wrong), where all findings/evidence are to be released to the public. I used to open up those 500 page PDF files and read through the findings, pictures, etc. I did not read every single page, but went through a majority of the police reports, statements by the witnesses, friends, the Anthony's, etc.
You act like we only got our "facts" from Nancy Grace. ::)
I know what you mean about the Sunshine Law. Just because it's available doesn't mean it gets disseminated. Not everyone is as conscientious as you (not a sarcastic remark).
From what I've heard O'Reilley is pitching a hissy fit about the verdict as well. Another Kennedy School of politics graduate!
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This is what I am talking about. I didn't say anyone was racist. You said that signs not allowing Casey Anthony in a restaurant are okay. How is that different than someone not wanting anyone else in their establishment any different? If that is okay, then I should be able to say that "Jimmy who beat my son out for quarterback can't come to my restaurant" or "cg684 is not allowed in my restaurant because he was aquitted of something he may or may not did". Can you not see the irony in your own statements?
That is why I don't post here much. I am conservative and I like the news I get here. But I don't need someone elses approval to think for myself. If you all want her to never work again, then you just hired her. Let her get on with her life and pay for herself. And while she's doing that, go ahead and get your own lives. This mob mentality is union-like and you all know it. Get over yourselves.
No. I basically said I don't necessarily disagree with them. So what?
Secondly, yes you certainly DID imply that I am a racist, and that is something I just will not deal with.
But we also have to think that same God who brought down a lightning bolt near the point where the body was found also had a part in moving the minds to a verdict of not guilty
I heard about that earlier, and it shocked the hell out of me. If that wasn't a sign, I don't know what is...
I said there are businesses putting up those signs. I did not say the businesses SHOULD do it.
Yeah that. They maybe shouldn't do it, but hey, there are very strong feelings about this whole thing in Florida. VERY strong, and everyone has their own opinion, which, unless I am somehow mistaken, they are entitled to.
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No. I basically said I don't necessarily disagree with them. So what?
The great thing about this quote is that you said you don't necessarily disagree with them. Would you be so bold to to not necessarily disagree with any other sign that limits a person's constitutional rights? Pick any right you want. What about your right to shop in a store because they don't like you? What if you couldn't get a job because the nation decided you were a POS, although a jury of your peers found you not guilty? I really hope you never have to go through that. But wishing it upon someone else makes you as bad or worse than them.
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Secondly, yes you certainly DID imply that I am a racist, and that is something I just will not deal with.
How? By implying that a sign that says Casey Anthony can't enter is the same as saying a colored can't enter? If that is what you think makes me calling you a racist then you are not able to see irony. What's the difference in a sign that says Casey Anthony or "colored"? They are both against the constitution. But I guess you don't care about that little piece of paper, huh?
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Well so far I have gotten 13 bitch slaps but not one explanation why. I guess it's okay for some to just go off emotion instead of facts. I always thought that was reserved for liberals, but, hey, do what you do. Slap me around. Until someone can tell me why she doesn't deserve the same life anyone else in this nation deserves, I will stick to the Constitution. Some of you apparently only like rules to apply to you. I hope it works out for you, but you are hypocritical. Casey Anthony was found guilty of lying to police. She is will be done with her time in a few days. If you don't like it, start your own country with your own laws. But right now, she should be able to move on. And those that can't move on, get a freakin life!
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I was thinking, she dug her own hole......if she didn't do it, then who did??? Is she going to find out who did or is she going to make millions off books and movies?
I realize that she was acquitted, BUT what if someone gets hardcore evidence that she did it, does the state of Fl get to bring her to trial again?? Or does this poor baby gets killed and nobody pays the price?? That is not fair!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
All I can think of the fear this little girl went thru, it makes me heartsick.....
A mother who goes and parties, gets tats, and doesn't report her missing for thirty-one days is a major red flag!!! That's abandonment and neglect at the least!!! This case is bizarre . I realize that this child won't come back to life, whether the killer is found or not, but how can someone live without that closure?.....
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If us exercising our freedom of speech pisses you off, you can move to Russia.
No shit. Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out either. :bird: Just like OJ is guilty so is Casey.
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I was thinking, she dug her own hole......if she didn't do it, then who did??? Is she going to find out who did or is she going to make millions off books and movies?
I realize that she was acquitted, BUT what if someone gets hardcore evidence that she did it, does the state of Fl get to bring her to trial again?? Or does this poor baby gets killed and nobody pays the price?? That is not fair!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
All I can think of the fear this little girl went thru, it makes me heartsick.....
A mother who goes and parties, gets tats, and doesn't report her missing for thirty-one days is a major red flag!!! That's abandonment and neglect at the least!!! This case is bizarre . I realize that this child won't come back to life, whether the killer is found or not, but how can someone live without that closure?.....
I'm just curious if she was wearing her "**** me" pumps when she was dancing through the swamps or if she broke a nail. It's more believable to me the Caylee died accidentally and Casey freaked out and was seeking help for 31 days than any other scenario. People don't exercise the best judgement when things like that occur. The family is a freak circus from beginning to end.
This 31 days thing is getting a bit worn also considering the Sheriff's Department took 4 months of their sweet-assed time to investigate the scene where the utility worker reported a suspicious bag floating around the swamp. There's also the fact if it were homicide and not accidental Florida is like Pedophile Central.
BTW, what's the difference between Nancy Grace and a vulture? A vulture stops picking at a corpse when it hits bone.
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I was thinking, she dug her own hole......if she didn't do it, then who did??? Is she going to find out who did or is she going to make millions off books and movies?
I realize that she was acquitted, BUT what if someone gets hardcore evidence that she did it, does the state of Fl get to bring her to trial again?? Or does this poor baby gets killed and nobody pays the price?? That is not fair!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
All I can think of the fear this little girl went thru, it makes me heartsick.....
A mother who goes and parties, gets tats, and doesn't report her missing for thirty-one days is a major red flag!!! That's abandonment and neglect at the least!!! This case is bizarre . I realize that this child won't come back to life, whether the killer is found or not, but how can someone live without that closure?.....
So much for staying out of it...although I do not agree with everything unbiased is saying(or the emotional investment in it--with either side), I agree with some main premises. What if? I know you guys hate to hear this, but where we live currently does not allow for a 'what if'. The prosecutor FAILED at his job and he should have been much more careful knowing that if she was acquitted, there was no going back. I really think the issue is that the vitriol being spewed here belong with the lawyers who did NOT DO THEIR JOB PROPERLY if you feel that she got off. But since she did go off, well unbiased is right that there really is nothing that you can do about that. What about the father of the child, how about some vitriol for a sperm donor who has no part of his child's life? If more men(and women) cared about the repercussions of thier actions on other people(ie children) this child may not have been in a position to have harm done to her to begin with. Where was her other parent in all this, doing what a man does and protecting his own flesh and blood? Either way, there are lots of culprits in this situation to go around and lots of what ifs. What's done is done...to that baby, to prosecuting her mother for the crime, etc. What does it serve to even wish her ill will at this point? Even if she did do it, how would it make you feel if this woman somehow learned a lesson in this without the punishment and makes an exemplary life for herself from this point on? Would that make you(general you) angry that she actual did well and maybe lived a life that ended up honoring her daughter in some--that served as a great apology to her child? I get the feeling it would not be enough. And for those Christian among us, who believe in certain ways, you know full well all a sinner like her would have to do is cry for Christ and repent of her sins(Christ never said she had to publicly repent and ask for absolution and serve time). Whether anyone here likes it or not, she could walk into the gates of Heaven arm and arm with you and greet her child again--murderess or not. In my mind, this is why we could never redeem ourselves and needed Christ, but that's a whole other religious discussion.
Where I part ways with unbiased is that I believe a business is perfectly within their right to deny service of any kind to her as long as it is not a constitutionally protected area like race, religion, etc. Business can deny people service for being barefoot or not wearing a shirt or a certain type of dress and can expel people for being too rowdy. I don't believe her status as a (legally) absolved person is a protected status. The businesses can do what they want and in the course she is, of course, free to move anywhere else and probably will. I think unbiased has a good point though about shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to work. Attitudes that seek to continue to persecute will ensure that she is either a taxpayer burden for life or that she does make money off of the noteriety(not being able to find any other line of work). Most people when push comes to shove will find a way to survive. It's done, at this point the emotional investment really is ridiculous. AT this point, she is her family's problem and she will have to live with the weight of what happened, whatever her contribution to it was. I know it doesn't satisfy the natural vengeance that people feel, but what's done is done. For unbiased, at this point it's venting...let people vent their spleen..not much else any of us can do really except vent frustration.
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I'm just curious if she was wearing her "**** me" pumps when she was dancing through the swamps or if she broke a nail. It's more believable to me the Caylee died accidentally and Casey freaked out and was seeking help for 31 days than any other scenario. People don't exercise the best judgement when things like that occur. The family is a freak circus from beginning to end.
This 31 days thing is getting a bit worn also considering the Sheriff's Department took 4 months of their sweet-assed time to investigate the scene where the utility worker reported a suspicious bag floating around the swamp. There's also the fact if it were homicide and not accidental Florida is like Pedophile Central.
BTW, what's the difference between Nancy Grace and a vulture? A vulture stops picking at a corpse when it hits bone.
I tend to agree with you on the assessment. I love Florida and lived there for years, but I agree with you and there's a reason I'm not raising my kids there and you stated it. I don't know why it is, but it's been that way for a long time. I could tell you stories that would make your jaw drop about things I even saw as a kid when I moved down there from the northeast. It's really downright ridiculous. But I don't believe a pedophile did anything in this case.
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So much for staying out of it...although I do not agree with everything unbiased is saying(or the emotional investment in it--with either side), I agree with some main premises. What if? I know you guys hate to hear this, but where we live currently does not allow for a 'what if'. The prosecutor FAILED at his job and he should have been much more careful knowing that if she was acquitted, there was no going back. I really think the issue is that the vitriol being spewed here belong with the lawyers who did NOT DO THEIR JOB PROPERLY if you feel that she got off. But since she did go off, well unbiased is right that there really is nothing that you can do about that. What about the father of the child, how about some vitriol for a sperm donor who has no part of his child's life? If more men(and women) cared about the repercussions of thier actions on other people(ie children) this child may not have been in a position to have harm done to her to begin with. Where was her other parent in all this, doing what a man does and protecting his own flesh and blood? Either way, there are lots of culprits in this situation to go around and lots of what ifs. What's done is done...to that baby, to prosecuting her mother for the crime, etc. What does it serve to even wish her ill will at this point? Even if she did do it, how would it make you feel if this woman somehow learned a lesson in this without the punishment and makes an exemplary life for herself from this point on? Would that make you(general you) angry that she actual did well and maybe lived a life that ended up honoring her daughter in some--that served as a great apology to her child? I get the feeling it would not be enough. And for those Christian among us, who believe in certain ways, you know full well all a sinner like her would have to do is cry for Christ and repent of her sins(Christ never said she had to publicly repent and ask for absolution and serve time). Whether anyone here likes it or not, she could walk into the gates of Heaven arm and arm with you and greet her child again--murderess or not. In my mind, this is why we could never redeem ourselves and needed Christ, but that's a whole other religious discussion.
Where I part ways with unbiased is that I believe a business is perfectly within their right to deny service of any kind to her as long as it is not a constitutionally protected area like race, religion, etc. Business can deny people service for being barefoot or not wearing a shirt or a certain type of dress and can expel people for being too rowdy. I don't believe her status as a (legally) absolved person is a protected status. The businesses can do what they want and in the course she is, of course, free to move anywhere else and probably will. I think unbiased has a good point though about shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to work. Attitudes that seek to continue to persecute will ensure that she is either a taxpayer burden for life or that she does make money off of the noteriety(not being able to find any other line of work). Most people when push comes to shove will find a way to survive. It's done, at this point the emotional investment really is ridiculous. AT this point, she is her family's problem and she will have to live with the weight of what happened, whatever her contribution to it was. I know it doesn't satisfy the natural vengeance that people feel, but what's done is done. For unbiased, at this point it's venting...let people vent their spleen..not much else any of us can do really except vent frustration.
That is the most sensible post I've read. Although I still think she would be allowed to go into a business. But she could sue for that right, if she does have the right. And just to set the record straight, I never said she was innocent. I just said we had the best justice system in the world and we have to accept the outcomes.
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I tend to agree with you on the assessment. I love Florida and lived there for years, but I agree with you and there's a reason I'm not raising my kids there and you stated it. I don't know why it is, but it's been that way for a long time. I could tell you stories that would make your jaw drop about things I even saw as a kid when I moved down there from the northeast. It's really downright ridiculous. But I don't believe a pedophile did anything in this case.
The pedophile angle was the first thing that occurred to me when the case began as bits and pieces passed through my head as I tried to ignore the "Today Show" while my wife got ready for work. It wasn't too long after the Jessica Lunsford case, a year I guess. Acquaintance of the grandparents, if I recall correctly?
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So much for staying out of it...although I do not agree with everything unbiased is saying(or the emotional investment in it--with either side), I agree with some main premises. What if? I know you guys hate to hear this, but where we live currently does not allow for a 'what if'. The prosecutor FAILED at his job and he should have been much more careful knowing that if she was acquitted, there was no going back. I really think the issue is that the vitriol being spewed here belong with the lawyers who did NOT DO THEIR JOB PROPERLY if you feel that she got off. But since she did go off, well unbiased is right that there really is nothing that you can do about that. What about the father of the child, how about some vitriol for a sperm donor who has no part of his child's life? If more men(and women) cared about the repercussions of thier actions on other people(ie children) this child may not have been in a position to have harm done to her to begin with. Where was her other parent in all this, doing what a man does and protecting his own flesh and blood? Either way, there are lots of culprits in this situation to go around and lots of what ifs. What's done is done...to that baby, to prosecuting her mother for the crime, etc. What does it serve to even wish her ill will at this point? Even if she did do it, how would it make you feel if this woman somehow learned a lesson in this without the punishment and makes an exemplary life for herself from this point on? Would that make you(general you) angry that she actual did well and maybe lived a life that ended up honoring her daughter in some--that served as a great apology to her child? I get the feeling it would not be enough. And for those Christian among us, who believe in certain ways, you know full well all a sinner like her would have to do is cry for Christ and repent of her sins(Christ never said she had to publicly repent and ask for absolution and serve time). Whether anyone here likes it or not, she could walk into the gates of Heaven arm and arm with you and greet her child again--murderess or not. In my mind, this is why we could never redeem ourselves and needed Christ, but that's a whole other religious discussion.
Where I part ways with unbiased is that I believe a business is perfectly within their right to deny service of any kind to her as long as it is not a constitutionally protected area like race, religion, etc. Business can deny people service for being barefoot or not wearing a shirt or a certain type of dress and can expel people for being too rowdy. I don't believe her status as a (legally) absolved person is a protected status. The businesses can do what they want and in the course she is, of course, free to move anywhere else and probably will. I think unbiased has a good point though about shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to work. Attitudes that seek to continue to persecute will ensure that she is either a taxpayer burden for life or that she does make money off of the noteriety(not being able to find any other line of work). Most people when push comes to shove will find a way to survive. It's done, at this point the emotional investment really is ridiculous. AT this point, she is her family's problem and she will have to live with the weight of what happened, whatever her contribution to it was. I know it doesn't satisfy the natural vengeance that people feel, but what's done is done. For unbiased, at this point it's venting...let people vent their spleen..not much else any of us can do really except vent frustration.
Extremely well said. H5.
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The great thing about this quote is that you said you don't necessarily disagree with them. Would you be so bold to to not necessarily disagree with any other sign that limits a person's constitutional rights? Pick any right you want. What about your right to shop in a store because they don't like you? What if you couldn't get a job because the nation decided you were a POS, although a jury of your peers found you not guilty? I really hope you never have to go through that. But wishing it upon someone else makes you as bad or worse than them.
Lookie here, Noobie: I'm not going to play this little game with you. I don't care if you're a plant or not, but you seem to be something other than what you're saying. Oh, you're this righteous Constitutionalist with core conservative values, right? I'm not buying it with your actions, and your words.
This jury deliberated for a measly 11 HOURS in a time of 2 whole days. Wowie. Must've been some hard god damn deliberation, huh? Imagine debating getting a tattoo for 11 hours, and finally coming to a conclusion to get it done on the spot. Couple years go down the line, and you decide "Shit, I hate this thing. Why'd I do that?" Well tough luck, dumb ****. You're either stuck with it, or spending a ton of dough to get it lasered off. The pure fact is...we're stuck with this verdict under very suspect conditions. The evidence only points to ONE PERSON! Are you telling me that along with all testimony, a jury is not free to think for themselves? Is not free to use their own logic, and reasoning. Hell, Bill Maher is ahead of you, son. He also believes as I, EC, and many others on this board do. In that effect, he is more intelligent than you, "unbiased."
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Even if she did do it, how would it make you feel if this woman somehow learned a lesson in this without the punishment and makes an exemplary life for herself from this point on? Would that make you(general you) angry that she actual did well and maybe lived a life that ended up honoring her daughter in some--that served as a great apology to her child?
IF she did do it, I've not seen a single example of that kind of massive rehabilitation occuring. Only family member's victims have done that sort of thing in my recollection. If you could provide a case where that happened, my jaw will indeed drop.
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Lookie here, Noobie: I'm not going to play this little game with you. I don't care if you're a plant or not, but you seem to be something other than what you're saying. Oh, you're this righteous Constitutionalist with core conservative values, right? I'm not buying it with your actions, and your words.
This jury deliberated for a measly 11 HOURS in a time of 2 whole days. Wowie. Must've been some hard god damn deliberation, huh? Imagine debating getting a tattoo for 11 hours, and finally coming to a conclusion to get it done on the spot. Couple years go down the line, and you decide "Shit, I hate this thing. Why'd I do that?" Well tough luck, dumb ****. You're either stuck with it, or spending a ton of dough to get it lasered off. The pure fact is...we're stuck with this verdict under very suspect conditions. The evidence only points to ONE PERSON! Are you telling me that along with all testimony, a jury is not free to think for themselves? Is not free to use their own logic, and reasoning. Hell, Bill Maher is ahead of you, son. He also believes as I, EC, and many others on this board do. In that effect, he is more intelligent than you, "unbiased."
Jury members consider the evidence and formulate their individual opinions as the trial progresses. Can their opinions be swayed or changed as the trial progresses? You bet! A lengthy deliberation is not always needed for a jury to convict or acquit. The last jury I sat on, my mind was made up before the defense even stepped up to the plate. The defendant was charged with 11 felony charges related to theft. He was facing decades behind bars.
The prosecution abysmally failed to make their case.
We the jury, deliberated for less than 3 hours before we acquitted the defendant on all 11 counts.
We found out later that this was the prosecutions 3rd bite at the apple and their case still sucked (two previous trials ended up in a hung jury).
In this particular case I read that the initial jury vote was 10-2 to acquit. That tells me that the majority of the jury obviously felt at the beginning of the deliberations, that the prosecution failed to make their case. I am not saying that the jury made the right decision in this case. I wasn't there and I didn't see/hear all of the evidence. I do know that I am not going to second guess the jury.
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Lookie here, Noobie: I'm not going to play this little game with you. I don't care if you're a plant or not, but you seem to be something other than what you're saying. Oh, you're this righteous Constitutionalist with core conservative values, right? I'm not buying it with your actions, and your words.
This jury deliberated for a measly 11 HOURS in a time of 2 whole days. Wowie. Must've been some hard god damn deliberation, huh? Imagine debating getting a tattoo for 11 hours, and finally coming to a conclusion to get it done on the spot. Couple years go down the line, and you decide "Shit, I hate this thing. Why'd I do that?" Well tough luck, dumb ****. You're either stuck with it, or spending a ton of dough to get it lasered off. The pure fact is...we're stuck with this verdict under very suspect conditions. The evidence only points to ONE PERSON! Are you telling me that along with all testimony, a jury is not free to think for themselves? Is not free to use their own logic, and reasoning. Hell, Bill Maher is ahead of you, son. He also believes as I, EC, and many others on this board do. In that effect, he is more intelligent than you, "unbiased."
So are you saying that you should be the one who decides guilt or innocence? That sounds a lot like what Hitler, Stalin or Hussein thought too. I am glad you are so darn smart. Why not take your talents to the Supreme Court and get the Constitution changed?
Your tattoo example actually proves my point, too. What if they gave her a lethal injection and then later found out that she didn't do it? And how long do you think it SHOULD take to come to a verdict? Would it have taken you longer than 11 hours to convict her? Doesn't sound like it to me. I said in my first post on this thread that people like you would react this way. Thanks for proving my point. And could you please tell me how anything I've said makes me anything but a conservative? You are not thinking things through. Calm down and ask yourself if you would like to have a fair trial or just have some random person who is reacting on pure emotion decide your fate.
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Extremely well said. H5.
Despite my lapses of the English language. Seems I'm always in a rush when I make a post here and it shows every last time. :banghead: That said, thank you sir. :cheersmate:
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unbiased has bee here for quite a while.
Seems sort of biased to me....
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So are you saying that you should be the one who decides guilt or innocence? That sounds a lot like what Hitler, Stalin or Hussein thought too. I am glad you are so darn smart. Why not take your talents to the Supreme Court and get the Constitution changed?
See, now you're just goading for a reaction from me with the "Hitler" stuff. Hmmm, which party was it again who uses all the Hitler references all the time....?
And I am quite intelligent. Thank you.
And hey, if Obama can take his...um..."talents" to the White House, why shouldn't I be able to take mine to the SC? Make about as much sense, and honestly, I have about as much expertise in that area as Dear Leader has being our POTUS...
Your tattoo example actually proves my point, too. What if they gave her a lethal injection and then later found out that she didn't do it? And how long do you think it SHOULD take to come to a verdict? Would it have taken you longer than 11 hours to convict her? Doesn't sound like it to me. I said in my first post on this thread that people like you would react this way. Thanks for proving my point. And could you please tell me how anything I've said makes me anything but a conservative? You are not thinking things through. Calm down and ask yourself if you would like to have a fair trial or just have some random person who is reacting on pure emotion decide your fate.
That first sentence is clearly trying to spin what I said instead of trying to comprehend, and understand. I think you got my point, but if not...too bad. I'm not explaining it agaain.
Verdict: OJ Simpson had hours on his. You see where that got him Free as a bird. And where is he now? Prison for being a complete ****ing idiot. I would say GUILTY in the murder of Nicole Brown, and the other guy.. Charles Manson's was deliberated for something like days. Where is he now? I would assume just based on those two I can point out off the top of my head that if you take a bit longer time to have rational thought, and go over everything, you can come to a more realistic conclusion. I came to that assumption by watching some high profile cases in my short life thus far. So basically, I have information to back up my claim.
Oh, and here's a bit of food for thought, for you. Ever heard of the word "Instinct?" People use it often. It's how hunters bag their prized bucks. It's how DE's like Strahan, and Safteys like Tatum make those ball busting hits/sacks. They just sense what's going to happen, how things are going to play out, what a player/animal/etc is going to do before they do it. They sense who they are.
It does not appear to me as if these jurors used any kind of instinct in this case whatsoever. NONE! They must not have it. Because for me, it wasn't the whole media circus saying "Guilty, Guilty, Guilty!!" It was my intuition that said "GUILTY!" as soon as I learned of the case, and saw her face.
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What irks me to no end is that there doesn't seem a serious motive from any family members. How old is Casey anyway(Was she a very young single mother)? Where is the father in all this??
Casey doesn't seem to have a great relationship with her parents, so one begins to wonder if there was verbal and emotional blackmail with either her parents and/or Caylee's father.
For example(S)
Mother: if you take Caylee away, I will report you and have you claimed as an unfit mother
Caylee's dad: If you take Caylee away, I will have you brought up on kidnapping charges
Casey in either scenario: If you don't pay child support or do what I say in regards to Caylee, you will never see her again. and on and on it goess.
Regardless of who killed the precious ltlle girl, She paid the ultimate price... :???: :bawl:
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What irks me to no end is that there doesn't seem a serious motive from any family members. How old is Casey anyway(Was she a very young single mother)? Where is the father in all this??
Casey is currently 25. She was born on March 19, 1986. In regards to the father, are you talking about Caylee's father? Nothing is known of him.
Casey doesn't seem to have a great relationship with her parents, so one begins to wonder if there was verbal and emotional blackmail with either her parents and/or Caylee's father.
Sean Hannity on his radio show interviewed someone who knew Casey Anthony. He described her as someone with a strained relationship with her parents. They are estranged as a result.
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What irks me to no end is that there doesn't seem a serious motive from any family members. How old is Casey anyway(Was she a very young single mother)? Where is the father in all this??
Casey doesn't seem to have a great relationship with her parents, so one begins to wonder if there was verbal and emotional blackmail with either her parents and/or Caylee's father.
For example(S)
Mother: if you take Caylee away, I will report you and have you claimed as an unfit mother
Caylee's dad: If you take Caylee away, I will have you brought up on kidnapping charges
Casey in either scenario: If you don't pay child support or do what I say in regards to Caylee, you will never see her again. and on and on it goess.
Regardless of who killed the precious ltlle girl, She paid the ultimate price... :???: :bawl:
Nobody knows who the father of Caylee is. I don't even think Casey knows.
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That too is very sad, That there is noone to help find justice for this little one. May she seek the protection of God's love in Heaven, and God will mete out justice in the end...
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It does not appear to me as if these jurors used any kind of instinct in this case whatsoever. NONE! They must not have it. Because for me, it wasn't the whole media circus saying "Guilty, Guilty, Guilty!!" It was my intuition that said "GUILTY!" as soon as I learned of the case, and saw her face.
And my "instinct" or gut feeling was just the opposite, this broad is being set up big time. Now that I look at it though, you're right, she's a regular mastermind.
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See, now you're just goading for a reaction from me with the "Hitler" stuff. Hmmm, which party was it again who uses all the Hitler references all the time....?
And I am quite intelligent. Thank you.
And hey, if Obama can take his...um..."talents" to the White House, why shouldn't I be able to take mine to the SC? Make about as much sense, and honestly, I have about as much expertise in that area as Dear Leader has being our POTUS...
That first sentence is clearly trying to spin what I said instead of trying to comprehend, and understand. I think you got my point, but if not...too bad. I'm not explaining it agaain.
Verdict: OJ Simpson had hours on his. You see where that got him Free as a bird. And where is he now? Prison for being a complete ****ing idiot. I would say GUILTY in the murder of Nicole Brown, and the other guy.. Charles Manson's was deliberated for something like days. Where is he now? I would assume just based on those two I can point out off the top of my head that if you take a bit longer time to have rational thought, and go over everything, you can come to a more realistic conclusion. I came to that assumption by watching some high profile cases in my short life thus far. So basically, I have information to back up my claim.
Oh, and here's a bit of food for thought, for you. Ever heard of the word "Instinct?" People use it often. It's how hunters bag their prized bucks. It's how DE's like Strahan, and Safteys like Tatum make those ball busting hits/sacks. They just sense what's going to happen, how things are going to play out, what a player/animal/etc is going to do before they do it. They sense who they are.
It does not appear to me as if these jurors used any kind of instinct in this case whatsoever. NONE! They must not have it. Because for me, it wasn't the whole media circus saying "Guilty, Guilty, Guilty!!" It was my intuition that said "GUILTY!" as soon as I learned of the case, and saw her face.
I don't want this debate going on any longer because I kind of feel sorry for you. Let me just say that I am glad most people don't think like you. If we convicted people on "intuition" we would have a pretty sad court system. And I love your tv claim of giving you good information! LOL I guess I would make a good sheriff because I watch Andy Griffith.
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I can see another fight club thread coming soon.
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Yeah.
What a perfectly good waste of band width.
Let's look at the fact that this was a high-profile case. Strike One.
The defendant was a good-lookin' evil, lying babe. Strike Two.
The trial is over. Strike Three.
Time to return to your regular programming.....
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Yeah.
What a perfectly good waste of band width.
Let's look at the fact that this was a high-profile case. Strike One.
The defendant was a good-lookin' evil, lying babe. Strike Two.
The trial is over. Strike Three.
Time to return to your regular programming.....
Baby is still dead with no justice, can't.
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Yeah.
What a perfectly good waste of band width.
Let's look at the fact that this was a high-profile case. Strike One.
The defendant was a good-lookin' evil, lying babe. Strike Two.
The trial is over. Strike Three.
Time to return to your regular programming.....
Good looking? Not in my opinion.
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Good looking? Not in my opinion.
Yeah that. Casey Anthony looks kinda like Rana Hussein.
(http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/july2006/saddam5.jpg)
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Good looking? Not in my opinion.
she has her pictorial moments but even if she looked like Angelina Jolie or Marilyn Monroe I would still think she was the ugliest/disgusting person in the world just because deep inside she is a festering piece of pus. She is not worthy of ever being called Mom again, imo, just for the sheer fact of how she handled herself the month following her daughter's death.
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Baby is still dead with no justice, can't.
au contraire. You can, but you don't want to.
All of this isn't going to bring that child back, but who am I to say all this bandwidth wasting is a bad idea? It helps with the post count, right?
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au contraire. You can, but you don't want to.
All of this isn't going to bring that child back, but who am I to say all this bandwidth wasting is a bad idea? It helps with the post count, right?
Yep.
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she has her pictorial moments but even if she looked like Angelina Jolie or Marilyn Monroe I would still think she was the ugliest/disgusting person in the world just because deep inside she is a festering piece of pus. She is not worthy of ever being called Mom again, imo, just for the sheer fact of how she handled herself the month following her daughter's death.
Not one thing about her attracts me. Nothing. She was whupped with an ugly stick as far as I'm concerned, and that ugly goes way deeper than the skin.
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au contraire. You can, but you don't want to.
All of this isn't going to bring that child back, but who am I to say all this bandwidth wasting is a bad idea? It helps with the post count, right?
Exactly.
Too many letting their "emotions" get the better of them.
I just hope that some here never serve on a criminal jury if they let their emotions dictate their judgment, as it seems to be with this case.
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Exactly.
Too many letting their "emotions" get the better of them.
I just hope that some here never serve on a criminal jury if they let their emotions dictate their judgment, as it seems to be with this case.
Yup.
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I don't want this debate going on any longer because I kind of feel sorry for you. Let me just say that I am glad most people don't think like you. If we convicted people on "intuition" we would have a pretty sad court system. And I love your tv claim of giving you good information! LOL I guess I would make a good sheriff because I watch Andy Griffith.
Nope. Not worth a fight club thread, Rich.
Unbiased: I don't need you pity, or want it. Stick it where the sun don't shine. I hope it hurts, and is followed by rectal bleeding.
I didn't say we should convict on intuition, gut feelings, instinct, what have you. I said we should be able to USE them to an extent in situations like this? Why? So bullshit things like this don't happen. However, this will maybe insure that it doesn't happen again.
http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law
I've already signed. This needs to happen.
PS, Unbiased: WHAT "TV claim" to give me good information? I've read books, and articles, looked up things on those two cases, used the internet, and seen things on tv about them. Those were just two high profile cases off the top of my head, so that comment I just quoted you on is basically irrelevant.
Hell, maybe I shouldn't be on Jury Duty. Maybe I should. It all would depend on how I felt about/answered the questions in the pre-jury interview(s), would it not? They have choice to select me or not. I'll guarentee you one thing though. I'd give my verdict based on the facts presented me, and based on whether or not I believed the person did it per the facts presented. I.E. The instinct thing. Instinct/intuition told me before the case that it was bad, but seeing Casey up there in that courtroom, hearing the testimony, and also seeing Cindy probably comit purgery all increased my instinctual belief. Not to mention when they handed down a guilty on only 4 counts of something. That REALLY made my noggin itch.
Anyway, I started this thread, so I take full responsibility for stepping out unless there is something REALLY pressing I need to say again. Can't wait to see what happens Sunday.
Ta-ta.
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Nope. Not worth a fight club thread, Rich.
Unbiased: I don't need you pity, or want it. Stick it where the sun don't shine. I hope it hurts, and is followed by rectal bleeding.
I didn't say we should convict on intuition, gut feelings, instinct, what have you. I said we should be able to USE them to an extent in situations like this? Why? So bullshit things like this don't happen. However, this will maybe insure that it doesn't happen again.
http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law
I've already signed. This needs to happen.
PS, Unbiased: WHAT "TV claim" to give me good information? I've read books, and articles, looked up things on those two cases, used the internet, and seen things on tv about them. Those were just two high profile cases off the top of my head, so that comment I just quoted you on is basically irrelevant.
Hell, maybe I shouldn't be on Jury Duty. Maybe I should. It all would depend on how I felt about/answered the questions in the pre-jury interview(s), would it not? They have choice to select me or not. I'll guarentee you one thing though. I'd give my verdict based on the facts presented me, and based on whether or not I believed the person did it per the facts presented. I.E. The instinct thing. Instinct/intuition told me before the case that it was bad, but seeing Casey up there in that courtroom, hearing the testimony, and also seeing Cindy probably comit purgery all increased my instinctual belief. Not to mention when they handed down a guilty on only 4 counts of something. That REALLY made my noggin itch.
Anyway, I started this thread, so I take full responsibility for stepping out unless there is something REALLY pressing I need to say again. Can't wait to see what happens Sunday.
Ta-ta.
It will take a while for this to--go away----
So far we have Casey's family in hiding, most of the jurors either in hiding or scared shitless of what will happen when their names are made public.
Some of the EXPERTS made fools out of them selves and will be haunted for years to come
wondering what their peers really think of them.
The police department will have that incompetent tag hanging over them, The lead prosecutor has all ready resigned.
Biaz will have a lot to live up to and may or may not actually become a most wanted Attorney for high stakes cases.
Casey will go the way of Tana Harding, Patty Hurst , Jane Fonda and the Manson girls.
And to top it off the race to see everyone from the Judge ,Jury, and anyone involved just who will be able to write the best selling book. I betcha there are 50+ people scrambling to find a ghost writer and publisher willing to put down cold hard cash for their storeys.
Some story's just are so odd this will perhaps be talked about for years as we still wonder if Lizzy Borden did take an ax to her parents.
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How? By implying that a sign that says Casey Anthony can't enter is the same as saying a colored can't enter? If that is what you think makes me calling you a racist then you are not able to see irony. What's the difference in a sign that says Casey Anthony or "colored"? They are both against the constitution. But I guess you don't care about that little piece of paper, huh?
Well, golly, I guess that means that businesses who post those signs "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" are unconstitutional, too huh? Please explain where the constitution says that! There are health clubs that cater only to women and the Augusta (a PRIVATE) business that doesn't allow women in their annual golf tournament. Please show where that's unconstitutional and then why no one has been able to successfully challenge these businesses. And why is it okay to refuse service to people who aren't wearing a shirt or shoes ("no shirt, no shoes, no service"), doesn't that discriminate against shirtless people?
Casey Anthony isn't a "race" she's an individual who many people think got away with murder and was convicted of lying to the police. Nor did she report her missing daughter. Even IF she didn't murder her daughter, her negligence may have prevented the police from finding her precious daughter while she was still alive. My personal feeling is that there was reasonable doubt and while I feel she was guilty, it's also possible she left her daughter with an unsavory character to "babysit" while she partied, or left her in the car on a hot day, or any number of scenarios. She also slandered a woman who had no connection to her or her child. She also was out partying and laughing it up at the tattoo parlor while her daughter was missing. Casey Anthony is not a nice person.
Cindie
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This picture tells all doesn't it?
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/9ldE2gJtljO0K98hr8V5MA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zMjQ7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/96584460fbf81c0ef20e6a706700fa7b.jpg)
Yup, and the pics at this site do also. For several reasons, I don't dare post the pics here, just the link.
http://patrishka.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/the-men-involved-with-casey-anthony/
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Yup, and the pics at this site do also. For several reasons, I don't dare post the pics here, just the link.
http://patrishka.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/the-men-involved-with-casey-anthony/
Well, I'm not going to defend her actions after her baby went missing but I don't think bad choices in men are a reflection of all aspects of her life. When I was in my teens and early twenties I was a biker chick. I have a very dear friend I've known forever who is one of the most practical people I've ever known, resourceful and an incredible mother but damned if she doesn't have the worst taste in men. I swear if anyone can pick a loser, it's her! Me, I'm impulsive, have mental issues and was the risk-taker in the group but I ended up with "the keeper". The path someone is on early in their life isn't any indication of where they're end up when they're older and wiser.
Cindie
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Well, I'm not going to defend her actions after her baby went missing but I don't think bad choices in men are a reflection of all aspects of her life. When I was in my teens and early twenties I was a biker chick. I have a very dear friend I've known forever who is one of the most practical people I've ever known, resourceful and an incredible mother but damned if she doesn't have the worst taste in men. I swear if anyone can pick a loser, it's her! Me, I'm impulsive, have mental issues and was the risk-taker in the group but I ended up with "the keeper". The path someone is on early in their life isn't any indication of where they're end up when they're older and wiser.
Cindie
It bothers me that one of the defence team the lawyer named Mason at one time said Casey was like a grand daughter to him. He has been on every news show one can think of telling how the first time he met the woman he believed she was innocent.
Asked about Casey's future he on Today said that if he knew where she was going or to tell what her future would be, he stated that if he knew, he would not tell anyone.
Either that man is a darn fool with a Lolita fixation or will use Casey to make big time bucks somehow.
Were it not for the death of a child, all this would have me LMAO, BUT--All this money made and to be made on the death of a child gives me heart burn that Tums will not fix.
We will see what we will see as this goes on for a few months.
Oh and Delia, I have not seen where Casey hooked up with the wrong man, looks like they all hooked up with the wrong woman.
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Evidently her lawyer now says she wants 1.5 mil for an interview. Class act making money off your dead baby. Trailer trash slutty bitch!
Cindie
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Evidently her lawyer now says she wants 1.5 mil for an interview. Class act making money off your dead baby. Trailer trash slutty bitch!
Cindie
I wish the media would just ignore her and her lawyer, and hopefully people she meets will shun her.
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Evidently her lawyer now says she wants 1.5 mil for an interview. Class act making money off your dead baby. Trailer trash slutty bitch!
Cindie
She owes the state of Florida, Zenaida Gonzales, Texas Equusearch. Probably another slew of people. Everyone who helped search for Caylee while she was "missing" is suing Casey Anthony.
The media does need to ignore her. I was loving my television being completely Casey free. I read some where yesterday that even George & Cindy Anthony (the grandparent's) laughed at a $200,000 deal for an interview. That whole family is sick and twisted.
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Evidently her lawyer now says she wants 1.5 mil for an interview. Class act making money off your dead baby. Trailer trash slutty bitch!
Cindie
If a news agency will pay that much for it and it goes to pay her bills, I think that is better than taxpayers paying it. Get mad at whoever wants to give her the money if you want, but them paying is better than me or you paying.
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Evidently her lawyer now says she wants 1.5 mil for an interview. Class act making money off your dead baby. Trailer trash slutty bitch!
Cindie
My wife and I don't allow the little slut to darken our TV screen.
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She owes the state of Florida, Zenaida Gonzales, Texas Equusearch. Probably another slew of people. Everyone who helped search for Caylee while she was "missing" is suing Casey Anthony.
The media does need to ignore her. I was loving my television being completely Casey free. I read some where yesterday that even George & Cindy Anthony (the grandparent's) laughed at a $200,000 deal for an interview. That whole family is sick and twisted.
Family of attention whores.
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Now apparently Larry Flynt is in talks with the little C U Next Tuesday's attorneys, or whatever to get her naked in his magazine for $500k or more. What a scumbag.
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Evidently her lawyer now says she wants 1.5 mil for an interview. Class act making money off your dead baby. Trailer trash slutty bitch!
Cindie
I heard on some tv show (Thurs morn) that the highest amount offered so far has been $1.5mil...but that she is not accepting ANY offers, from anyone. Supposedly, she is in intensive therapy somewhere.
The same segment said that her parents have been offered $250,000, but they turned it down.
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Anybody happen to read this article?
I saw it a week or so ago.
http://www.newser.com/story/123775/casey-anthony-trial-prosecutors-hid-fact-that-she-searched-chloroform-once-not-84-times.html
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Anybody happen to read this article?
I saw it a week or so ago.
http://www.newser.com/story/123775/casey-anthony-trial-prosecutors-hid-fact-that-she-searched-chloroform-once-not-84-times.html
Sounds like prosecutorial misconduct to me, and it would have been grounds for appeal had she been convicted. That said, she certainly would have never won a good mother award and there's that small detail about not notifying the police her child had been missing for over a month. :censored:
As for the pics of her and her boyfriends, well, let's just say I'm so damn grateful all those social networking sites, cellphone cameras and the like were non-existent during my wild child days. :-)