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masmdu (945 posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:13 AM
Original message
"Thank You For Your Service"....Give me a break! Army/Navy/AirForce/Marines why in the world join?
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People who join the service are making a CHOICE.
Why in the world would somebody choose to be trained to kill other people?
(Don't give me the 'economic necessity' or "eduction" line...there are plenty of poor people of conscience who don't even consider it an option...me included)
("Glory","Brotherhood","Tradition","Honor", "Duty", "Defending Freedom"...terms twisted to serve recruitment.)
Instead of "Thank you for your service" I'd rather be saying "thank you" for choosing to do something with your life that does not involve being called on to kill.
Lives destroyed (yours and theirs), resources depleted that could go far to helping many. True sacrifice for others should not be flesh or sanity
If you are compelled to join a group to serve others join one that doesn't require that you become a cog in a machine designed to kill.
Armies of doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...YES. Now your talking real Honor, Brotherhood, Duty, and Glory. Bring them on and increase my taxes to pay for them.
Literal armies designed to kill and destroy that include doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...No Thank You! It's self defeating, wasteful, and immoral.
You are not "serving" me by being trained to kill in my name (though thinking so may sooth your conscience). Think of who one really "Serves" when joining the service...it ain't the little guy.
You do what you do out of your own personal choice.
Thank You (who have not joined the "services") For Your Service.
:bird: :bird: :bird: :bird:
Big bonfire there. Surprisingly, most of the responses disagree with the OP.
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If your convictions are so strong, masmdu, then just place your neck upon the lunette while the Muslim hordes take your head, simply because you are an infidel, since you have chosen the path of non-resistance. Then, our military will have one less ingrateful asshole to protect and make their job that much easier.
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("Glory","Brotherhood","Tradition","Honor", "Duty", "Defending Freedom"...terms twisted to serve recruitment.)
They're only twisted because you don't have enough integrity to understand. It isn't blindness, stupidity, or willingness to kil but a deep love of their country and their family and their fellow man. It's a very special person that willingly chooses to serve their country during a time of war. Even hatefilled DUmmies need defending whether they appreciate it or not.
Cindie
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Good luck maintaining a country without a military.
Posted by Buzz Clik on Wed Apr-09-08 09:15 AM
HUH?! This almost sounds pro-military!
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Shades of Good Will Hunting:
Echo In Light (1000+ posts)
Wed Apr-09-08 10:26 AM
10. Armed forces?...you mean for the terrorists in DC? gimmie a break
Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Apr-09-08 10:30 AM
17. I have no idea what you're talking about, but it's OK
...neither do you.
Echo In Light (1000+ posts)
Wed Apr-09-08 10:34 AM
18. Oh, so state sponsored acts of "terror" haven't come from Washington?
I mean, if we need soldiers to protect us from terrorists, well, there are some major players in the White House, no?
StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Apr-09-08 11:24 AM
32. Lemme guess...you just read a Chomsky book for the first time and want to show off your knowledge?
And as a twofer - you're most likely a post-adolescent college student or have recently graduated.
For your sake I hope I'm right.
Echo In Light (1000+ posts)
Wed Apr-09-08 11:29 AM
For my sake?...see, that's how one recognizes a hater: espousing empty concern that veils animosity
StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Apr-09-08 11:42 AM
41. I'm not hating man, that's just a really bad way to start a serious conversation
Generally, when one is discussing a topic such as U.S. foreign policy, it's a bad idea to immediately lump everyone in Washington, D.C. under the label of "terrorists". It's a bit extreme and even though there are some legitimate points espoused by the likes of Chomsky, just saying something like that makes me automatically take you less seriously.
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:25 AM
Response to Original message
8. The prevailing systems of indoctrination create irrational attitudes of submission to authority
Psychologically, this, coupled with other nefarious aspects of residual "traditions," and especially heinous 20th century corporate traditions, has much to do with the macho affectations that compel some males toward these positions, and are likewise appealing to women to either glorify via the perpetual cheerleader mode, or direct assimilation {the macho woman} ...all carefully guarded with big heap doses of Orwellian lip service, spin, and rational sounding justifications.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:21 PM
65. Go to Free Republic and thank them
If you want to find a lot of people who never served.
Wcross (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 PM
66. Thank the "chickenhawks" over at freeperville! n/t
To Echo In Light, thank you for your rationality. To the rest of the DUmmies, go **** yourselves.
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Hey masmdu... Here is a gift from a 20+ year Air Force Vet :bigbird: :redbird: :evilbird: :bird:
And as for this loser:
tuckessee (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #4
63. Really?
We wouldn't have a country without them
Were the Vietnamese communists, Panamians or Iraqis trying to destroy our country? Why? How?
I think were lucky to still have a country despite them.
Making enemies where none existed before, bankrupting America and trampling the Constitution seems to be US military's post WW2 mission.
You forgot about the Serbs in Kosovo! :bird: Oh yeah, you forget about those troops because Billy Jeff sent them there. F'n Hypocrits!
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 01:31 PM
Response to Original message
73. You've poked one of the most sacred of sacred cows. As evidenced by the reponses here.
I spent 4 years in the Marine Crotch doing absolutely nothing of benefit to humanity as a well trained potential murderer of my fellow humans.
I am always perplexed when anyone thanks me for "my service" and am always tempted to ask them "why"?
Love of the military always goes along with the rationales for war.
I salute, and am grateful to, those who have refused to participate in the insanity of war.
"The pioneers of a warless world are the young men (and women) who refuse military service."
Albert Einstein
You? A Marine? Fat chance you ****ing liar.
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What a bunch of asswipes.
The military isn't there to go kill random people. It is there to defend our freedom. In the process of defending our freedom, the military must kill. I'm ok with that.
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To Echo In Light, thank you for your rationality. To the rest of the DUmmies, go **** yourselves.
You might want to read some more of his posts before you give him a virtual Hi5.
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:25 AM
Response to Original message
8. The prevailing systems of indoctrination create irrational attitudes of submission to authority
Psychologically, this, coupled with other nefarious aspects of residual "traditions," and especially heinous 20th century corporate traditions, has much to do with the macho affectations that compel some males toward these positions, and are likewise appealing to women to either glorify via the perpetual cheerleader mode, or direct assimilation {the macho woman} ...all carefully guarded with big heap doses of Orwellian lip service, spin, and rational sounding justifications.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:21 PM
65. Go to Free Republic and thank them
If you want to find a lot of people who never served.
Wcross (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 PM
66. Thank the "chickenhawks" over at freeperville! n/t
To Echo In Light, thank you for your rationality. To the rest of the DUmmies, go **** yourselves.
Um... Echo In Light is agreeing with the original post. I think the person you mean to thank is StrongBad.
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They hate the killing, get it? Yet abortionist are their brave heroes. Liberalism is a mental illness, pure and simple.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts)
Wed Apr-09-08 12:21 PM
65. Go to Free Republic and thank them
If you want to find a lot of people who never served.
Yeah, you go ahead and believe the other morons at DU, jackass. CC, as small as it is, has more veterans, retired, or active duty than that entire ****ing cesspool known as the Dump. I would venture to say Free Republic has much, much more. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look at the numbers and determine that 70-80% of the people in the military are conservative.
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They hate the killing, get it? Yet abortionist are their brave heroes. Liberalism is a mental illness, pure and simple.
....and Che.
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They hate the killing, get it? Yet abortionist are their brave heroes. Liberalism is a mental illness, pure and simple.
Ironically, the thought process which leads you to believe that all liberals think as Masmdu does is the same kind of thought process which leads Masmdu to believe that everyone in the military is bloodthirsty and evil.
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3132040, Ridiculous Post
Posted by NeedleCast on Wed Apr-09-08 01:27 PM
If you paid taxes over the last five years welcome to being part of the war machine.
The military serves as an extention of our elected government. The military does serve "the little guy" insofar as that without it, you wouldn't have the freedom to write such a critique. Or perhaps you'd like to give me a list of stable countries which do not have, or have allies that have, a strong military?
If you are compelled to join a group to serve others join one that doesn't require that you become a cog in a machine designed to kill.
If you paid taxes over the last five years, you're part of the machine too. You're just the part that thinks it's better than other parts because it's not "trained to kill" while being just as culpable to being "part of the machine" as any other part.
3132102, Well said. {EOM}
Posted by The Night Owl on Wed Apr-09-08 01:35 PM
Is this you over there agreeing with NeedleCast?
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They hate the killing, get it? Yet abortionist are their brave heroes. Liberalism is a mental illness, pure and simple.
Ironically, the thought process which leads you to believe that all liberals think as Masmdu does is the same kind of thought process which leads Masmdu to believe that everyone in the military is bloodthirsty and evil.
Liberalism is a mental illness. No irony in that fact.
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3132040, Ridiculous Post
Posted by NeedleCast on Wed Apr-09-08 01:27 PM
If you paid taxes over the last five years welcome to being part of the war machine.
The military serves as an extention of our elected government. The military does serve "the little guy" insofar as that without it, you wouldn't have the freedom to write such a critique. Or perhaps you'd like to give me a list of stable countries which do not have, or have allies that have, a strong military?
If you are compelled to join a group to serve others join one that doesn't require that you become a cog in a machine designed to kill.
If you paid taxes over the last five years, you're part of the machine too. You're just the part that thinks it's better than other parts because it's not "trained to kill" while being just as culpable to being "part of the machine" as any other part.
3132102, Well said. {EOM}
Posted by The Night Owl on Wed Apr-09-08 01:35 PM
Is this you agreeing with NeedleCast?
Of course it is.
He's just as batshit crazy as the rest of them at heart.
He just wears a nicer mask when he's not being an internets warrior for Hillary.
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Of course it is.
He's just as batshit crazy as the rest of them at heart.
He just wears a nicer mask when he's not being an internets warrior for Hillary.
I wonder if they know he's over here with us Freeper-types. They would probably consider him tainted.
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masmdu (945 posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:13 AM
Original message
"Thank You For Your Service"....Give me a break! Army/Navy/AirForce/Marines why in the world join?
(http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/April-Sims/Tomb-of-the-Unknown-Soldier-1-Poster-C12255737.jpeg)
Gee :censored:
(http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/images/2007/05/07/soldier.jpg)
I have no :censored: idea
(http://www.sg.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/070621-F-4576W-150.jpg)
Why someone would want to join the U.S. Armed Services right now.
:whatever:
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You forgot about the Serbs in Kosovo! :bird: Oh yeah, you forget about those troops because Billy Jeff sent them there. F'n Hypocrits!
Amazing how the Dems always forget stuff like that...oh and they ignore my first combat tour stop...Somalia as well.
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This deserves a Hi5.
The Night Owl (1000+ posts)
Wed Apr-09-08 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. Paying taxes is mandatory, but being a US citizen is not.
If Masmdu cannot tolerate his taxes going toward the US military, then he should leave the United States.
Now, I threw up in my mouth a little.
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Ironically, the thought process which leads you to believe that all liberals think as Masmdu does is the same kind of thought process which leads Masmdu to believe that everyone in the military is bloodthirsty and evil.
Show me one that doesn't think that way.
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To Echo In Light, thank you for your rationality. To the rest of the DUmmies, go **** yourselves.
You might want to read some more of his posts before you give him a virtual Hi5.
I wasn't Hi5-ing him, I was just surprised that a post that logical stayed up on DU.
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I wasn't Hi5-ing him, I was just surprised that a post that logical stayed up on DU.
Then you severely misread his position.
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Ironically, the thought process which leads you to believe that all liberals think as Masmdu does is the same kind of thought process which leads Masmdu to believe that everyone in the military is bloodthirsty and evil.
Show me one that doesn't think that way.
Hello? Many of the people who responded to Masmdu's post disagreed with it... strongly. I'm one of those people.
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I wasn't Hi5-ing him, I was just surprised that a post that logical stayed up on DU.
Echo in the Light basically regurgitated work by Noam Chomsky...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_Noam_Chomsky_and_the_Media
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_The_Political_Economy_of_the_Mass_Media.
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Is this you over there agreeing with NeedleCast?
Of course. NeedleCast correctly pointed out that the US military and the American taxpayer are part of the same entity.
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Hello? Many of the people who responded to Masmdu's post disagreed with it... strongly. I'm one of those people.
So agreeing with some moonbat that if you pay taxes you're part of the "war machine" is "strongly disagreeing"?
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Of course. NeedleCast correctly pointed out that the US military and the American taxpayer are part of the same entity.
No that idiot said "war machine" and you :censored: agreed with him/her.
Trying to change what they said to your description is a dishonest recitation of what you agreed to.
What happened is that you got caught agreeing with the troop bashers and now you're trying to worm your way out of it.
FOAD.
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masmdu (945 posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:13 AM
Original message
"Thank You For Your Service"....Give me a break! Army/Navy/AirForce/Marines why in the world join?
Advertisements [?]
People who join the service are making a CHOICE.
Why in the world would somebody choose to be trained to kill other people?
(Don't give me the 'economic necessity' or "eduction" line...there are plenty of poor people of conscience who don't even consider it an option...me included)
("Glory","Brotherhood","Tradition","Honor", "Duty", "Defending Freedom"...terms twisted to serve recruitment.)
Instead of "Thank you for your service" I'd rather be saying "thank you" for choosing to do something with your life that does not involve being called on to kill.
Lives destroyed (yours and theirs), resources depleted that could go far to helping many. True sacrifice for others should not be flesh or sanity
If you are compelled to join a group to serve others join one that doesn't require that you become a cog in a machine designed to kill.
Armies of doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...YES. Now your talking real Honor, Brotherhood, Duty, and Glory. Bring them on and increase my taxes to pay for them.
Literal armies designed to kill and destroy that include doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...No Thank You! It's self defeating, wasteful, and immoral.
You are not "serving" me by being trained to kill in my name (though thinking so may sooth your conscience). Think of who one really "Serves" when joining the service...it ain't the little guy.
You do what you do out of your own personal choice.
Thank You (who have not joined the "services") For Your Service.
:bird: :bird: :bird: :bird:
Big bonfire there. Surprisingly, most of the responses disagree with the OP.
Before you faint, remember that the DUmp knows it is being watched -- by us and TOS and TOOS and DUmmy FUnnies, etc., et. seq. When they have a chance to lie about how they really feel so they can have a thread that says "I do TOO support the troops" they jump on it.
This is purely PR.
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Before you faint, remember that the DUmp knows it is being watched -- by us and TOS and TOOS and DUmmy FUnnies, etc., et. seq. When they have a chance to lie about how they really feel so they can have a thread that says "I do TOO support the troops" they jump on it.
This is purely PR.
Do you really think they are intelligent enough to handle PR?
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Before you faint, remember that the DUmp knows it is being watched -- by us and TOS and TOOS and DUmmy FUnnies, etc., et. seq. When they have a chance to lie about how they really feel so they can have a thread that says "I do TOO support the troops" they jump on it.
This is purely PR.
Do you really think they are intelligent enough to handle PR?
Dimly. $kinner has made it clear he doesn't like anti-military types so eventually even the primitives learn to mouth the words.
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Well, it's good to see the nocturnally foul one's off his life-support system for a bit, but his brain still needs some oxygen.
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:25 AM
Response to Original message
8. The prevailing systems of indoctrination create irrational attitudes of submission to authority
Psychologically, this, coupled with other nefarious aspects of residual "traditions," and especially heinous 20th century corporate traditions, has much to do with the macho affectations that compel some males toward these positions, and are likewise appealing to women to either glorify via the perpetual cheerleader mode, or direct assimilation {the macho woman} ...all carefully guarded with big heap doses of Orwellian lip service, spin, and rational sounding justifications.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:21 PM
65. Go to Free Republic and thank them
If you want to find a lot of people who never served.
Wcross (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 PM
66. Thank the "chickenhawks" over at freeperville! n/t
To Echo In Light, thank you for your rationality. To the rest of the DUmmies, go **** yourselves.
So you actually think that's rational? No one I know in the military fits that description. My son's not "compelled" by any "macho affectation" nor has he been indocrinated in any way. I hardly see what's rational about stringing together a bunch of psycho-babble the idiot probably read somewhere and probably doesn't even understand itself.
Cindie
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 01:31 PM
Response to Original message
73. You've poked one of the most sacred of sacred cows. As evidenced by the reponses here.
I spent 4 years in the Marine Crotch doing absolutely nothing of benefit to humanity as a well trained potential murderer of my fellow humans.
I am always perplexed when anyone thanks me for "my service" and am always tempted to ask them "why"?
Love of the military always goes along with the rationales for war.
I salute, and am grateful to, those who have refused to participate in the insanity of war.
"The pioneers of a warless world are the young men (and women) who refuse military service."
Albert Einstein
You? A Marine? Fat chance you ******* liar.
I'm with you there is no way that mofo is or ever was a Marine.
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Well, it's good to see the nocturnally foul one's off his life-support system for a bit, but his brain still needs some oxygen.
You give the child far to much credit for having one in the first damn place.
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Hey masmdu... Here is a gift from a 20+ year Air Force Vet :bigbird: :redbird: :evilbird: :bird:
And as for this loser:
tuckessee (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #4
63. Really?
We wouldn't have a country without them
Were the Vietnamese communists, Panamians or Iraqis trying to destroy our country? Why? How?
I think were lucky to still have a country despite them.
Making enemies where none existed before, bankrupting America and trampling the Constitution seems to be US military's post WW2 mission.
You forgot about the Serbs in Kosovo! :bird: Oh yeah, you forget about those troops because Billy Jeff sent them there. F'n Hypocrits!
Double thanks from another 20 year AF vet...KMA..... :censored:
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:25 AM
Response to Original message
8. The prevailing systems of indoctrination create irrational attitudes of submission to authority
Psychologically, this, coupled with other nefarious aspects of residual "traditions," and especially heinous 20th century corporate traditions, has much to do with the macho affectations that compel some males toward these positions, and are likewise appealing to women to either glorify via the perpetual cheerleader mode, or direct assimilation {the macho woman} ...all carefully guarded with big heap doses of Orwellian lip service, spin, and rational sounding justifications.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:21 PM
65. Go to Free Republic and thank them
If you want to find a lot of people who never served.
Wcross (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 PM
66. Thank the "chickenhawks" over at freeperville! n/t
To Echo In Light, thank you for your rationality. To the rest of the DUmmies, go **** yourselves.
So you actually think that's rational? No one I know in the military fits that description. My son's not "compelled" by any "macho affectation" nor has he been indocrinated in any way. I hardly see what's rational about stringing together a bunch of psycho-babble the idiot probably read somewhere and probably doesn't even understand itself.
Cindie
I was referring to government in general, not the military. I would never insult soldiers by comparing them to the room temperature-IQ bureaucrats who don't do shit except leach off taxpayer money.
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No that idiot said "war machine" and you :censored: agreed with him/her.
Trying to change what they said to your description is a dishonest recitation of what you agreed to.
What happened is that you got caught agreeing with the troop bashers and now you're trying to worm your way out of it.
FOAD.
I don't get it. What gives you the idea that using the term "war machine" to describe the US military is some kind of an attempt to bash US troops?
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I don't get it. What gives you the idea that using the term "war machine" to describe the US military is some kind of an attempt to bash US troops?
Of course you don't get it. Your Liberally twisted mind prevents you from seeing things rationally.
In the context it was used and by the person that used it....there is no other rational interpretaion or explanation.
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Of course you don't get it. Your Liberally twisted mind prevents you from seeing things rationally.
In the context it was used and by the person that used it....there is no other rational interpretaion or explanation.
Needlecast used the term "war machine" in the context of an argument that those who fund the war machine are part of it. So what? I don't see what you're objecting to.
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Personally I think that it is fear that keeps masmdu from joining up. He tries to hide behind a facade of righteous indignation but in the end I believe that it boils down to the fact that he is scared.
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masmdu (945 posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:13 AM
Original message
"Thank You For Your Service"....Give me a break! Army/Navy/AirForce/Marines why in the world join?
Advertisements [?]
People who join the service are making a CHOICE.
Why in the world would somebody choose to be trained to kill other people?
(Don't give me the 'economic necessity' or "eduction" line...there are plenty of poor people of conscience who don't even consider it an option...me included)
("Glory","Brotherhood","Tradition","Honor", "Duty", "Defending Freedom"...terms twisted to serve recruitment.)
Instead of "Thank you for your service" I'd rather be saying "thank you" for choosing to do something with your life that does not involve being called on to kill.
Lives destroyed (yours and theirs), resources depleted that could go far to helping many. True sacrifice for others should not be flesh or sanity
If you are compelled to join a group to serve others join one that doesn't require that you become a cog in a machine designed to kill.
Armies of doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...YES. Now your talking real Honor, Brotherhood, Duty, and Glory. Bring them on and increase my taxes to pay for them.
Literal armies designed to kill and destroy that include doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...No Thank You! It's self defeating, wasteful, and immoral.
You are not "serving" me by being trained to kill in my name (though thinking so may sooth your conscience). Think of who one really "Serves" when joining the service...it ain't the little guy.
You do what you do out of your own personal choice.
Thank You (who have not joined the "services") For Your Service.
Trust me, you pathetic creature, that vast majority of people, even amongst those of us who haven't served, find your comments ignorant, reprehensible, and idiotic. :censored: :bird: