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Quote from: The Night Owl on April 09, 2008, 02:19:09 PMIronically, the thought process which leads you to believe that all liberals think as Masmdu does is the same kind of thought process which leads Masmdu to believe that everyone in the military is bloodthirsty and evil.Show me one that doesn't think that way.
Ironically, the thought process which leads you to believe that all liberals think as Masmdu does is the same kind of thought process which leads Masmdu to believe that everyone in the military is bloodthirsty and evil.
I wasn't Hi5-ing him, I was just surprised that a post that logical stayed up on DU.
Is this you over there agreeing with NeedleCast?
Hello? Many of the people who responded to Masmdu's post disagreed with it... strongly. I'm one of those people.
Of course. NeedleCast correctly pointed out that the US military and the American taxpayer are part of the same entity.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3130470Quotemasmdu (945 posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:13 AMOriginal message"Thank You For Your Service"....Give me a break! Army/Navy/AirForce/Marines why in the world join? Advertisements [?]People who join the service are making a CHOICE. Why in the world would somebody choose to be trained to kill other people? (Don't give me the 'economic necessity' or "eduction" line...there are plenty of poor people of conscience who don't even consider it an option...me included)("Glory","Brotherhood","Tradition","Honor", "Duty", "Defending Freedom"...terms twisted to serve recruitment.) Instead of "Thank you for your service" I'd rather be saying "thank you" for choosing to do something with your life that does not involve being called on to kill. Lives destroyed (yours and theirs), resources depleted that could go far to helping many. True sacrifice for others should not be flesh or sanityIf you are compelled to join a group to serve others join one that doesn't require that you become a cog in a machine designed to kill. Armies of doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...YES. Now your talking real Honor, Brotherhood, Duty, and Glory. Bring them on and increase my taxes to pay for them. Literal armies designed to kill and destroy that include doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...No Thank You! It's self defeating, wasteful, and immoral.You are not "serving" me by being trained to kill in my name (though thinking so may sooth your conscience). Think of who one really "Serves" when joining the service...it ain't the little guy.You do what you do out of your own personal choice.Thank You (who have not joined the "services") For Your Service. :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird:Big bonfire there. Surprisingly, most of the responses disagree with the OP.
masmdu (945 posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:13 AMOriginal message"Thank You For Your Service"....Give me a break! Army/Navy/AirForce/Marines why in the world join? Advertisements [?]People who join the service are making a CHOICE. Why in the world would somebody choose to be trained to kill other people? (Don't give me the 'economic necessity' or "eduction" line...there are plenty of poor people of conscience who don't even consider it an option...me included)("Glory","Brotherhood","Tradition","Honor", "Duty", "Defending Freedom"...terms twisted to serve recruitment.) Instead of "Thank you for your service" I'd rather be saying "thank you" for choosing to do something with your life that does not involve being called on to kill. Lives destroyed (yours and theirs), resources depleted that could go far to helping many. True sacrifice for others should not be flesh or sanityIf you are compelled to join a group to serve others join one that doesn't require that you become a cog in a machine designed to kill. Armies of doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...YES. Now your talking real Honor, Brotherhood, Duty, and Glory. Bring them on and increase my taxes to pay for them. Literal armies designed to kill and destroy that include doctors, engineers, teachers, etc...No Thank You! It's self defeating, wasteful, and immoral.You are not "serving" me by being trained to kill in my name (though thinking so may sooth your conscience). Think of who one really "Serves" when joining the service...it ain't the little guy.You do what you do out of your own personal choice.Thank You (who have not joined the "services") For Your Service.
Before you faint, remember that the DUmp knows it is being watched -- by us and TOS and TOOS and DUmmy FUnnies, etc., et. seq. When they have a chance to lie about how they really feel so they can have a thread that says "I do TOO support the troops" they jump on it.This is purely PR.
Quote from: freedumb2003 on April 09, 2008, 05:35:36 PMBefore you faint, remember that the DUmp knows it is being watched -- by us and TOS and TOOS and DUmmy FUnnies, etc., et. seq. When they have a chance to lie about how they really feel so they can have a thread that says "I do TOO support the troops" they jump on it.This is purely PR.Do you really think they are intelligent enough to handle PR?
QuoteEcho In Light (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:25 AMResponse to Original message 8. The prevailing systems of indoctrination create irrational attitudes of submission to authority Psychologically, this, coupled with other nefarious aspects of residual "traditions," and especially heinous 20th century corporate traditions, has much to do with the macho affectations that compel some males toward these positions, and are likewise appealing to women to either glorify via the perpetual cheerleader mode, or direct assimilation {the macho woman} ...all carefully guarded with big heap doses of Orwellian lip service, spin, and rational sounding justifications. QuoteProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:21 PM65. Go to Free Republic and thank them If you want to find a lot of people who never served. Wcross (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 PM66. Thank the "chickenhawks" over at freeperville! n/t To Echo In Light, thank you for your rationality. To the rest of the DUmmies, go **** yourselves.
Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:25 AMResponse to Original message 8. The prevailing systems of indoctrination create irrational attitudes of submission to authority Psychologically, this, coupled with other nefarious aspects of residual "traditions," and especially heinous 20th century corporate traditions, has much to do with the macho affectations that compel some males toward these positions, and are likewise appealing to women to either glorify via the perpetual cheerleader mode, or direct assimilation {the macho woman} ...all carefully guarded with big heap doses of Orwellian lip service, spin, and rational sounding justifications.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:21 PM65. Go to Free Republic and thank them If you want to find a lot of people who never served. Wcross (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 PM66. Thank the "chickenhawks" over at freeperville! n/t
QuoteTierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 01:31 PMResponse to Original message 73. You've poked one of the most sacred of sacred cows. As evidenced by the reponses here. I spent 4 years in the Marine Crotch doing absolutely nothing of benefit to humanity as a well trained potential murderer of my fellow humans. I am always perplexed when anyone thanks me for "my service" and am always tempted to ask them "why"? Love of the military always goes along with the rationales for war. I salute, and am grateful to, those who have refused to participate in the insanity of war."The pioneers of a warless world are the young men (and women) who refuse military service." Albert Einstein You? A Marine? Fat chance you ******* liar.
Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 01:31 PMResponse to Original message 73. You've poked one of the most sacred of sacred cows. As evidenced by the reponses here. I spent 4 years in the Marine Crotch doing absolutely nothing of benefit to humanity as a well trained potential murderer of my fellow humans. I am always perplexed when anyone thanks me for "my service" and am always tempted to ask them "why"? Love of the military always goes along with the rationales for war. I salute, and am grateful to, those who have refused to participate in the insanity of war."The pioneers of a warless world are the young men (and women) who refuse military service." Albert Einstein
Well, it's good to see the nocturnally foul one's off his life-support system for a bit, but his brain still needs some oxygen.
Hey masmdu... Here is a gift from a 20+ year Air Force Vet And as for this loser:Quotetuckessee (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:17 PMResponse to Reply #4 63. Really? We wouldn't have a country without themWere the Vietnamese communists, Panamians or Iraqis trying to destroy our country? Why? How?I think were lucky to still have a country despite them. Making enemies where none existed before, bankrupting America and trampling the Constitution seems to be US military's post WW2 mission. You forgot about the Serbs in Kosovo! Oh yeah, you forget about those troops because Billy Jeff sent them there. F'n Hypocrits!
tuckessee (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:17 PMResponse to Reply #4 63. Really? We wouldn't have a country without themWere the Vietnamese communists, Panamians or Iraqis trying to destroy our country? Why? How?I think were lucky to still have a country despite them. Making enemies where none existed before, bankrupting America and trampling the Constitution seems to be US military's post WW2 mission.
Quote from: blitzkrieg_17 on April 09, 2008, 01:53:01 PMQuoteEcho In Light (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 10:25 AMResponse to Original message 8. The prevailing systems of indoctrination create irrational attitudes of submission to authority Psychologically, this, coupled with other nefarious aspects of residual "traditions," and especially heinous 20th century corporate traditions, has much to do with the macho affectations that compel some males toward these positions, and are likewise appealing to women to either glorify via the perpetual cheerleader mode, or direct assimilation {the macho woman} ...all carefully guarded with big heap doses of Orwellian lip service, spin, and rational sounding justifications. QuoteProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:21 PM65. Go to Free Republic and thank them If you want to find a lot of people who never served. Wcross (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 PM66. Thank the "chickenhawks" over at freeperville! n/t To Echo In Light, thank you for your rationality. To the rest of the DUmmies, go **** yourselves.So you actually think that's rational? No one I know in the military fits that description. My son's not "compelled" by any "macho affectation" nor has he been indocrinated in any way. I hardly see what's rational about stringing together a bunch of psycho-babble the idiot probably read somewhere and probably doesn't even understand itself. Cindie
No that idiot said "war machine" and you agreed with him/her.Trying to change what they said to your description is a dishonest recitation of what you agreed to.What happened is that you got caught agreeing with the troop bashers and now you're trying to worm your way out of it.FOAD.
I don't get it. What gives you the idea that using the term "war machine" to describe the US military is some kind of an attempt to bash US troops?
Of course you don't get it. Your Liberally twisted mind prevents you from seeing things rationally.In the context it was used and by the person that used it....there is no other rational interpretaion or explanation.
