For example, 48 Christians of Córdoba were decapitated for religious offences against Islam. They became known as the Martyrs of Córdoba.
The 11th century saw Muslim pogroms against Jews in Spain; those occurred in Cordoba in 1011
Found it! Both Christians and Jews were persecuted by Muslims in that area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus#Rise_and_fall_of_Muslim_power
And this, exactly a millennium ago:
The naming of this mosque is either profound irony or disgusting design.
I think I'm going to throw up.
Can you hold it until the mosque is built, then go to NYC and upchuck in the mosque while facing Mecca?
More:
http://blog.usnavyseals.com/2010/05/mosque-to-be-built-near-ground-zero.html
Someone mentioned in a comment somewhere that the project behind this mosque is named after a region in Spain where Muslims raped and slaughtered Christians hundreds of years ago. Anyone know anything about that?
Holy shit, I thought this was an article from the Onion when I read the subject line.
I cannot share what I would like to say. :censored:
I am not sure what they would sue for. It's already got the go-ahead I think.People sue all the time for all sorts of reasons. A lawsuit would maybe garner enough publicity for this to come to a screeching halt.
Whoever gave it the go-ahead sux. :fuelfire:
There are just no words to truly explain how wrong this is..... :censored:
That would be the city of NY
We are going to end up with wars on US turf with Muslims and with Mexicans in the southwest. ugh.
All of the fighting "one hand tied behind our backs" that America has done the last half century or better has been at the behest of politicians, whom I am becoming more and more convinced have not had the best intersts of this people at heart. Those same politicians are going to be shocked at the uncaged ferocity with which they are faced from the populace at large if they push us into another civil war for the sake of their own political power. At least for the 15 seconds between the time they uncage that sleeping giant, and the giant turns on them and splatters them on the capitol steps.
All of the fighting "one hand tied behind our backs" that America has done the last half century or better has been at the behest of politicians, whom I am becoming more and more convinced have not had the best intersts of this people at heart. Those same politicians are going to be shocked at the uncaged ferocity with which they are faced from the populace at large if they push us into another civil war for the sake of their own political power. At least for the 15 seconds between the time they uncage that sleeping giant, and the giant turns on them and splatters them on the capitol steps.
Check. I'm in NYC, so that part is easy. Get stinking drunk, do the above, while wiping my mouth with torn pages from a Koran.
Like debk says, there just aren't words for this. This is pissing on the graves of the 3,000.
Who in God's name gave them a permit to build there? Who ever gave them it should lose their job ASAP
Although... if I play devil's advocate here, building a mosque next to Ground Zero will certainly protect the Freedom Tower from any future attacks.
Although... if I play devil's advocate here, building a mosque next to Ground Zero will certainly protect the Freedom Tower from any future attacks.
I'll get a few pounds of bacon and "decorate" the place after I piss on the floor.
I didn't see it mentioned in the article, but that estimated 100 million dollars to build it, is that tax money? Or is it private funds? If it's tax dollars then there is no way this thing could be built. Seperation of Church and State and all.
I wonder how much of that comes from government in one way or another??
BTW, you should know the Separation of Church and State does not apply to muslims.
Can we all agree, at least here, that Americans should not have to be the only Tolerant people in any discussion???????????
How much tolerance would be shown to the 12 person panel if they had said no??
The 12 person panel probably would have received death threats.
I swear, between La Raza and CAIR (and their like) we are so screwed if we don't start fighting back, we meaning the average, moderate American.
According to islamic law there can be no structures or religious symbols higher than the mosque.......the catholic church should build nextdoor and have a 1000' cross on top.
....or the jooooooos and a star of david....doesn't matter to me.....I'm niether one.
Maybe I can talk to some of the follks in Salt Lake; see if they want to elevate the Angel Moroni at the peak of the New York Manhattan Temple a little more:Much more acceptable than a Muslim prayer tower, or whatever it's called.
(http://www.lds.org/multimedia/files//51361_ManhattanNewYorkTemple_st.jpg)
Hi,
Like most of you there are not words I could type in a public forum to express my true feelings about this outrage. Why do I suspect this is the tip of the iceberg? Somehow, someway this is going to become very, very symbolic down the line and something bad is going to happen.
With illegal immigration, ever increasing muslim population where they are failing to even attempt to integrate into our society, the public is getting ready for a huge backlash. We are headed for some pretty ugly shit, not sure exactly how it will play out, but I believe the vast majority of Americans are getting beyond fed up.
Sooner or later the truth will come out that the birthers are right about BO, his beliefs and background and then who knows what will happen? I am 70, what little hair I have is grey, my wife a bit younger. In front of us yesterday was a young, apparent muslim man with a backpack. We went through airport security yesterday and indeed twas the US seniors that got picked for the extra scrutiny, would not want to be guilty of racial profiling. Just made a mental not like many others but it is building up.
regards,
5412
Now they are talking about a second, smaller Ground Zero Mosque being built too. Apparently there is also talk that the UN is paying for some of this.
If I was a contractor that was working on that project I would be pretty embarrassed.
On a side note, I would love to see a big ass earthquake destroy Mecca...
Oh, you're writing my dreams.
Or how about a big ass meteor? Now I'd like to see anyone who's religious interpret that as anything but a judgment of God. Now where did I put that mass driver...had it around her somewhere, I know I parked it near those Shadow ships...
I think Islam needs reform, that's why I supported the Iraq and Afghan war...but we are setting up Islamic Republics, there's a million Christians in Iraq-why are we making them live under Islamic laws? And I'm sure there are good portions of the public who want nothing to do with Islam or brainwashed into it.
If we can't even promote Islamic reform in our own borders, I'm not surprised we are failing to do that overseas. Yeah we liberated the people away from Tyrants and regimes--but the people are still slaves to Islam.
I don't hate most Muslims, I just think most of them are just brainwashed.
Like for example in Iran, where they have a large youth population. They ignore the Islamic rules, they drink and love to party the girls wear their headdress to reveal their hair-kind of like a scarf, a lot of people do Heroine. The government does a pony show of cracking on them, but they don't care. And every Iranian I ever met that immigrated away from Iran does not practice Islam.
On a side note, I would love to see a big ass earthquake destroy Mecca...
Aren't they all in Mecca to kiss a space rock? A meteor would just be ironic.
I think the best thing for Islam is that Muslims fight each other. I see it as a good thing because it sorts out the bad and good.
I know a lot of Iranians too. There are the probably the least religious people, they don't identify with any religion. If so, they are usually Bahai and Christian. I have known them going back to as kid. Their girls are really hot. :-) :naughty:
Hi,
Like most of you there are not words I could type in a public forum to express my true feelings about this outrage. Why do I suspect this is the tip of the iceberg? Somehow, someway this is going to become very, very symbolic down the line and something bad is going to happen.
With illegal immigration, ever increasing muslim population where they are failing to even attempt to integrate into our society, the public is getting ready for a huge backlash. We are headed for some pretty ugly shit, not sure exactly how it will play out, but I believe the vast majority of Americans are getting beyond fed up.
Sooner or later the truth will come out that the birthers are right about BO, his beliefs and background and then who knows what will happen? I am 70, what little hair I have is grey, my wife a bit younger. In front of us yesterday was a young, apparent muslim man with a backpack. We went through airport security yesterday and indeed twas the US seniors that got picked for the extra scrutiny, would not want to be guilty of racial profiling. Just made a mental not like many others but it is building up.
regards,
5412
All of the fighting "one hand tied behind our backs" that America has done the last half century or better has been at the behest of politicians, whom I am becoming more and more convinced have not had the best intersts of this people at heart. Those same politicians are going to be shocked at the uncaged ferocity with which they are faced from the populace at large if they push us into another civil war for the sake of their own political power. At least for the 15 seconds between the time they uncage that sleeping giant, and the giant turns on them and splatters them on the capitol steps.
We should start mailing our congress critters disgusting pics from the French Revolution! You know, the ones where all the heads are rolling around the base of the guillotine!
French Revolution
I think Islam needs reform,
Here's an American Muslims take on this. I heard him doing an interview today and he said that someone should be looking into whether or not this Mosque is getting foreign funding, in particular from Qatar which gives money to a radical group known as Muslim Brotherhood Leadership.
http://www.mzuhdijasser.com/7459/mosque-unbecoming
Mosque Unbecoming
by M. Zuhdi Jasser
The New York Post
May 24, 2010
In the 1960s, my parents left their despotic motherland of Syria for the promise of genuine liberty and religious freedom in America. In the decades since, we have led the construction of a number of mosques in the towns where we lived.
Some went up without challenge from the local community, but others met with palpable local discontent. In those cases, the law and the natural American affinity for religious freedom eventually paved the way to the ribbon cutting.
These were all humble mosques, funded locally by our congregations. It's plain the planned "Ground Zero mosque" is something very different. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, his wife, Daisy Khan, and an investor intend to build "Cordoba House," an ostentatious $100 million, 13-story Muslim community center including a gym, a swimming pool, a performance-arts facility and a mosque.
My first concern is whether the financing truly represents the local American Muslim community or comes with strings from foreign Islamists. But that is far from my last concern.
I am an American Muslim dedicated to defeating the ideology that fuels global Islamist terror -- political Islam. And I don't see such a "center" actually fighting terrorism or being a very "positive" addition near Ground Zero, no matter how well intentioned.
To put it bluntly, Ground Zero is the one place in America where Muslims should think less about teaching Islam and "our good side" and more about being American and fulfilling our responsibilities to confront the ideology of our enemies.
Khan and Rauf avoid discourse on reform and political Islam. Instead, they simply give us the familiar, too vague condemnation of "extremism and violence." They seem to conveniently view 9/11, al Qaeda and every manifestation of militant Islamism as simply a public-relations problem for "Muslims in the West." Imam Rauf has even gone so far as to bizarrely say that the 9/11 terrorists were "not Muslims."
As controversy over the project has become heated, Rauf's Web site has scrubbed the term "mosque" in exchange for "center" -- again missing the boat of why so many Americans are offended. (Meanwhile, the plans of another local Islamic group to rebuild near Ground Zero only added to the quandary.)
This is not about the building of a mosque or a religious facility. It is not about religious freedom. This is about a deep, soulful understanding of what happened to our country on 9/11.
When Americans are attacked, they come together as one, under one flag, under one law against a common enemy that we are not afraid to identify. Religious freedom is central to our nation - and that is why the location of this project is so misguided. Ground Zero is purely about being American. It can never be about being Muslim.
The World Trade Center site represents Ground Zero in America's war against radical Islamists who seek to destroy the American way of life. It is not ground zero of a cultural exchange.
We American Muslims cannot merely passively avoid Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots. We need to ask ourselves: Are we Americans who happen to be Muslim or Muslims blindly demanding to be American?
American Muslims will be better served if this project is built further away from Ground Zero and focuses on leading a reform effort. If we help build anything at the WTC site itself, it should be timeless memorials to all those who lost their lives on 9/11 -- memorials blind to faith, race, creed or national origin.
On Sept. 12, 2001, I was first an American. When those planes hit the World Trade Center, they hit at the core of my being as an American. The attack on my faith by the terrorists was secondary to their attack on my homeland.
We need to focus our efforts more transparently on teaching Muslim youth that the American concepts of liberty and freedom are preferable to sharia and the Islamic state. American Muslims represent the best opportunity to fight Islamist radicalization not because we understand Islam but because we have experienced and understood what American liberty provides to the Muslim experience.
Americans must always remember the horrors of 9/11 and must be vigilant in not allowing political Islam to wear down the principles that built our country.
This center is trying to change the narrative of 9/11 -- to diminish what happened at Ground Zero. That can only weaken us against the very real threat of Islamist radicalization.
As a Communist, I don't believe in or approve of religion, but apart from that I don't see the problem. The people who want to have this mosque have condemned the attacks and said that they want to improve the community. I'm seeing intolerance from some of you guys though. Knee jerk reaction to anything Islam?
As a Communist, I don't believe in or approve of religion, but apart from that I don't see the problem. The people who want to have this mosque have condemned the attacks and said that they want to improve the community. I'm seeing intolerance from some of you guys though. Knee jerk reaction to anything Islam?
Imagine if the English were to allow a shrine built to Hitler or the Nazis in the UK?? How would you feel about that or are you too young and uneducated about the horrors Hitler inflicted on England during WWII?? Wouldn't you consider that action as "rubbing salt in old wounds"??
As a Communist, I don't believe in or approve of religion, but apart from that I don't see the problem. The people who want to have this mosque have condemned the attacks and said that they want to improve the community. I'm seeing intolerance from some of you guys though. Knee jerk reaction to anything Islam?
Could be they plan to use our own laws against us, figuring that if they push us far enough WE will fight back and it will be to our peril if we do so. They can tie up the courts and the police arresting anyone that objects as discriminating against them.
Well, speaking for myself I've never pretended to be "tolerant", and don't really see why it's -by definition- a good thing.
Well, speaking for myself I've never pretended to be "tolerant", and don't really see why it's -by definition- a good thing.
Nor have I........nor do I ever intend to be regarding Islam. The concept of "tolerance" reminds me of an old sage......."Those who beat their swords into plowshares, are destined to be ruled by those who don't........"
I'm "tolerant" enough to reluctantly not object to construction of a mosque at almost any other location but this one.........I used to work in those towers, and lost some good friends there on 9/11........construction of ANYTHING Islamic on that site is sacrilege........
doc
This may be a brilliant plan to divide the country.
Could be they plan to use our own laws against us, figuring that if they push us far enough WE will fight back and it will be to our peril if we do so. They can tie up the courts and the police arresting anyone that objects as discriminating against them.
Hate crimes , hate speech they will claim as they keep pooking proding and keeping old wounds open. What better way to distroy a country then to give non-citizens rights that our own citizens are not allowed.
Tell me, would it be taboo to build a Catholic church within a few blocks of an IRA bombing?
Tell me, would it be taboo to build a Catholic church within a few blocks of an IRA bombing?
Tell me, would it be taboo to build a Catholic church within a few blocks of an IRA bombing?
I am all about freedom of religion, but this is basically a slap in the face. Build it elsewhere. Stay away from that site.
"What is just as sickening as the proposed building of this Mosque is the fact that they want to use September 11th 2011 as the grand opening. That’s right; on the tenth anniversary of the Muslim terrorist attacks, the super Mosque will open while there is still nothing but a gigantic hole where the Twin Towers stood."
...you really are different. I could never have imagined anyone who ever posted to the DU understanding that this is so obviously an insult (and an attempt by radical Islamists to show that, essentially, that they've conquered this territory). I mean, to us it's evident that, well, since the act of war that was 9/11 was committed in the name of Islam, then no amount of argument can make it anything but a hideously indecent act to erect a holy shrine to Islam within short walking distance. But liberals go on about tolerance blah blah blah, as if we're supposed to tolerate being conquered.
Now you've astonished me. You really have.
I told you that you may find we actually agree on more things than you think. ;)
As a Communist, I don't believe in or approve of religion, but apart from that I don't see the problem. The people who want to have this mosque have condemned the attacks and said that they want to improve the community. I'm seeing intolerance from some of you guys though. Knee jerk reaction to anything Islam?
And you were right. And on an issue related to American sovereignty and, in some respects, national security...let's just say that's the last area I'd have expected us to find any common ground.
Say, does anyone else see the same ad at the top of this particular thread? "Muslima.com"? International Muslim matrimonial site? What's up with that? Now that's a strange coincidence.
Now it reads "singlemuslim.com"? WTF?!
It's gone...now it's Macy*s. Mmmph.
Say, does anyone else see the same ad at the top of this particular thread? "Muslima.com"? International Muslim matrimonial site? What's up with that? Now that's a strange coincidence.
I don't see an ad. Any ad.
By sheer luck, I guess, FGL. the ad was back when I just took a look at this thread. Or at least one of them. No doubt the other was just on before this. Here's a screen grab:
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/7b91d79afd.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Use Firefox and AddBlock.
Jeez.
Use Firefox and AddBlock.
Jeez.
No, you're misunderstanding me. I don't care if there are ads. Nothing wrong with that. But doesn't anyone think it's strange that there are these sorts of ads, here?
I have no idea how or which adds are generated. I assume it's like AdBot at the DUmp, but we're using Google for most of our advertising.
Still funny. :rofl:
Imagine if the English were to allow a shrine built to Hitler or the Nazis in the UK?? How would you feel about that or are you too young and uneducated about the horrors Hitler inflicted on England during WWII?? Wouldn't you consider that action as "rubbing salt in old wounds"??
see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake. these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty. America, "land of the free", sure.
see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake. these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty. America, "land of the free", sure.
Like it's working out so well for you in the UK......perhaps when you find a couple of your major commercial centers missing, you might think a bit differently.
There are literally billions of dead as a result of communism in its various forms and guises over the past century, and the fact that you are still here and posting is a singular testament to our tolerance......don't presume to lecture us on it. Further, don't presume to lecture us on our opinions regarding Islam, and its rather bloody history.
You are.....after all, a "subject" and not a "citizen", and although I've lived in the UK, and have many friends there, I have little tolerance for wannabe marxists regardless of where they originate, and frankly neither would my friends in the UK.
The truth is simply that Muslims are responsible for a significant majority of the violence and unrest in the world today.......that alone is reason enough to view them all with skepticizm and distrust. This isn't a "We are the World" moment.......we are at war.
Go peddle your totaliarian utopia crap elsewhere.......it isn't going to fly here.
doc
see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake. these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty. America, "land of the free", sure.
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On May 13, the United Nations Alliance of Civiliations published a press release in which Jorge Sampaio (the UN Secretary-General’s High Representative for the Alliance of Civilizations) praised the United States for becoming the 100th “member country joining the alliance.â€
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Since 2005, the Alliance of Civilizations has been playing an increasingly important role at the forefront of the international community to improve understanding and cooperative relations across nations, cultures, and religions to counter the forces that fuel polarization and extremism.
As a global platform for intercultural dialogue and cooperation, the Alliance welcomes the United States membership as a very significant opportunity to maintain the issue of cultural diversity high on the global agenda, scaling up efforts to expand cross-cultural education, promote dialogue and understanding with special focus on relations with the Muslim world, and forge the collective political will to address the world’s imbalances.
According to the Heritage Foundation, the Alliance of Civilizations (AoC) is the successor to the Iranian-proposed Dialogue of Civilizations and brainchild of former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. The AoC’s website states that the organization has the following objectives:
* Develop a network of partnerships with States, international organizations, civil society groups, and private sector entities that share the goals of the Alliance of Civilizations, to reinforce their interaction and coordination with the UN system;
* Develop, support, and highlight projects that promote understanding and reconciliation among cultures globally and, in particular, between Muslim and Western societies. These projects should be related to the four main fields of action of the Alliance: youth, education, media and migration.
* Establish relations and facilitate dialogue among groups that can act as a force of moderation and understanding during times of heightened cross-cultural tensions.
Previously, the United States had been the only one out of 20 major advanced and emerging countries (excluding Israel) that had not yet joined the Alliance’s “Group of Friends,†which now includes some 118 member countries and organizations. These include countries in Europe, Latin America, and Asia, as well as the Arab League and the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC). When the Alliance first formed in 2005, the United States shunned membership in the organization, citing concerns (corroborated by the Alliance’s 2006 “Report of the High Level Group,†which you can <<<READ HERE>>>) that the organization could become a forum mainly for criticizing Israel and the West.
For example, the report cites the 1948 establishment of Israel as being the starting point for major tensions between the West and Muslim societies:
The partition of Palestine by the United Nations in 1947, envisaging the establishment of two states -- Palestine and Israel -- with a special status for Jerusalem, led to the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, beginning a chain of events that continues to be one of the most tortuous in relations between Western and Muslim societies. Israel’s continuing occupation of Palestinian and other Arab territories and the unresolved status of Jerusalem -- a holy city for Muslims and Christians as well as Jews – have persisted with the perceived acquiescence of Western governments and thus are primary causes of resentment and anger in the Muslim world toward Western nations. This occupation has been perceived in the Muslim world as a form of colonialism and has led many to believe, rightly or wrongly, that Israel is in collusion with “the Westâ€.
The AoC has also stated that freedom of expression should be limited in order to counter the presumed rise of Islamophobia. The report cited above states that terms such as “Islamic terrorism†have “contributed to an alarming increase in Islamophobia†— the unstated conclusion being that such terms should not be used.
Here is Karen Armstrong, a member of the AoC, stating (56 seconds into this video): “Of course I’m a passionate advocate of free speech. I’ve had the privilege of living and being able to write and speak in whatever way I chose. But I am very much aware that I have responsibilites too. And once your words have left your mouth — as I know myself, people interpret them in mischievous ways, and make them a force for evil -- there’s a lot of ill will out there and that is playing into a scenario which will make it very difficult for us to have a good world to hand on to our children. We really cannot afford bigoted talk. Political correctness has had a very bad press. It’s idea is to think of what we’re saying and ask ourselves if it’s really true….â€
Ms. Armstrong’s saying in one sentence that she “of course†supports free speech and then going on to say that we “cannot afford†to have bigoted talk would seem to fundamentally contradict itself. What exactly is the dividing line between “free speech†and “bigoted talkâ€? Presumably, she believes that the criteria put forth by â€political correctness†should be used to determine what exactly should be tolerated as “free†speech and that which should not be tolerated, due to “bigotry.â€
So is it really all that important that the U.S. has decided to join the AoC? Will any changes be forthcoming as a result? Answers to these questions are mixed. The Heritage Foundation has concluded that an affiliation with the AoC is not likely to substantively change the activities of that body. The Jerusalem Post has recently quoted an Israeli official as questioning why the US would choose to join an organization that is “completely insignificant,†adding that US citizens should question exactly why such a move is even being made. However, the Jerusalem Post went on to say the following:
Another [Israeli] government source said it was not inconceivable that the decision to join the group was yet another hint to Israel that Washington could make things uncomfortable for Jerusalem if it chose, without causing a public rift. The source said this move, along with the reports that the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency will take up the question of Israel’s nuclear capabilities at its board meeting next month, something that has never happened before and which the US could have prevented had it chosen to do so, indicated to a certain degree a change of tenor coming from Washington. “I’m not saying the US is deciding to join the organization to send a message to Israel, but it clearly was mindful of how this would be interpreted in Jerusalem,†the source said.
So what will be the outcome? Only time will tell — but one thing is certain. Israel is making no plans to join the Alliance.
Relations Between Societies of Western and Muslim Countries
4.3 Selective accounts of ancient history are used by radical movements to paint an ominous
portrait of historically distinct and mutually exclusive faith communities destined for
confrontation. Such distorted historical narratives must be countered. More important
for the purposes of this report is the fact that this history does not offer explanations for
current conflicts or for the rise in hostility between Western and Muslim societies.
See the Global Agenda for the Dialogue Among Civilizations (A/60/259).
In particular, the Declaration and Program of Action for a Culture of Peace referred to, together with the
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Outcome of the UN General Assembly.
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The 2nd Annual Cordoba House fundraiser has arrived! The evening will feature dinner, a live percussionist performance by a local nasheed group, spoken word, stand-up comedy, a live auction and the inspiring words of Shaykh Abdalla Idris Ali. All proceeds are going towards supporting the various Cordoba House initiatives, including the Cordoba Islamic Studies Library, and the Cordoba Dialogues lecture series.
* Former president of the Islamic Society of North America
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Abdullah Idris Ali served as president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) from 1992-1997. ISNA enforces Wahhabi theological writ in some 1,200 American mosques, determining who will speak at every Friday prayer, and which literature will be distributed there. Ali is a member of the board of trustees for the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), a Saudi Wahhabi financial institution that, according to a CAIR report, owns about 27 percent of the estimated 1,200 mosques in the United States. Wahhabism is the most extreme, intolerant, violent form of Islam. Ali is also on the board of advisors for the American Muslim Council (AMC), whose founder and leader, Abdul Rahman Alamoudi, has publicly proclaimed his support for the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Moreover, Alamoudi was arrested in September 2003 for illegally failing to notify the U.S. State Department of his numerous trips to Libya; illegally accepting $10,700 from the Libyan mission to the United Nations; and using two American and one Yemeni passport for at least ten of those trips.
West must act to end jihad: Imam
By Frank Walker
March 21, 2004 - 1:52AM
The Sun-Herald
The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end, says an Islamic cleric invited to Sydney by Premier Bob Carr.
New York-based Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who impressed Mr Carr at an international conference last year, arrives in Sydney today for two weeks of meetings and public talks.
Speaking from his New York mosque, Imam Feisal said the West had to understand the terrorists' point of view.
In a move likely to cause controversy with church leaders, Imam Feisal said it was Christians who started mass attacks on civilians.
"The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians.
But it was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."
Imam Feisal said the bombing in Madrid had made his message more urgent. He said there was an endless supply of angry young Muslim rebels prepared to die for their cause and there was no sign of the attacks ending unless there was a fundamental change in the world.
Imam Feisal, who argues for a Western style of Islam that promotes democracy and tolerance, said there could be little progress until the US acknowledged backing dictators and the US President gave an "America Culpa" speech to the Muslim world.
see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake. these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty. America, "land of the free", sure.
I don't even know where to start, but just where were the Moslem populations in Dresden and Hiroshima?
Lets not forget either that during WW II there were Islamic countries whose leaders were members of the NAZI party.
see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake. these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty. America, "land of the free", sure.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-ground-zero-mosque-developer-muslim-brotherhood-roots-radical-dreams/?singlepage=true
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2006/12/transcript-you-should-read.html
http://blog.beliefnet.com/roddreher/2010/05/ground-zero-mosque-imam-a-closet-islamist.html
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1046824
Well, that's pretty much it. If anyone doubted this was taquiyya in action, stop doubting. I mean, I never did, I doubt any conservative on this board ever did, and sometimes you really don't need proof to say the sky is blue. I knew this would all be here, somewhere, but it's good to provide support, even if especially tedious when you already know what you're going to find.
All this talk and outrage is great, but when do we DO something concrete; buy that land, get a permit to build an American Mall on that site, which will sell 911 memorabelia, books, and a nondenominal prayer room. as a memorial to the 911 murdered and maimed. Laws and statutes can be changed and reversed. This is still America. These mosques cannot be allowed to stand on that sacred American land.
To hell with being nice....NUKE mecca and then build a 5,000 foot high cross right in the middle of the black glass parking lot. Then we could invite the world to use it and call it "The Multicultural DriveIn Center for Better Religious Understanding and Harmony" or some other long winded BS PC name.
Add a Star of David next to the Cross. :-)Speaking as a Jew, I should like that idea...but I don't. No Cross, no Star Of David. Everything on that Sacred American Land must be non-denominational.
Speaking as a Jew, I should like that idea...but I don't. No Cross, no Star Of David. Everything on that Sacred American Land must be non-denominational.
Speaking as a Jew, I should like that idea...but I don't. No Cross, no Star Of David. Everything on that Sacred American Land must be non-denominational.
To hell with being nice....NUKE mecca and then build a 5,000 foot high cross right in the middle of the black glass parking lot. Then we could invite the world to use it and call it "The Multicultural DriveIn Center for Better Religious Understanding and Harmony" or some other long winded BS PC name.
As a Communist, I don't believe in or approve of religion, but apart from that I don't see the problem. The people who want to have this mosque have condemned the attacks and said that they want to improve the community. I'm seeing intolerance from some of you guys though. Knee jerk reaction to anything Islam?
Feds funding Ground Zero imam's Mideast trip
The imam behind a plan to build a mosque near Ground Zero is set to depart on a multi-country jaunt to the Middle East funded by the State Department -- raising concerns that taxpayers may be helping him with the controversial project's $100 million fund-raising goal.
Feisal Abdul Rauf is taking the publicly funded trip to foster "greater understanding" about Islam and Muslim communities in the United States, the State Department confirmed yesterday.
"He is a distinguished Muslim cleric," said State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley, when asked about the journey, reportedly to include stops in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Qatar.
"I think we are in the process of arranging for him to travel as part of this program, and it is to foster a greater understanding about the region around the world among Muslim-majority communities," he added.
Crowley said no fund-raising for the mosque and cultural center during the trip would be permitted. "That would not be something he could do as part of our program," he said.
It just gets better and better.
Right. Just like Lord Zero never does any fund raising on policy trip he makes around the country.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/feds_funding_zero_imam_mideast_trip_OTq9dmoHpxbaKvJbB4VLGM#ixzz0wCx05mtq
WOW! Tell me there's nothing wrong with this picture?!?! Federal funding to promote the trip to help promote Islam and Muslim "understanding"?!?!
See,....stuff like this makes my f'en blood boil to a point of exploding! It's sickening! I don't give a damn about Islam or the Muslims. What a f'en joke!! :censored: :bs: :bird:
This was all over Fox and Friends this morning.
Between the mosque/community center and us paying for the Iman's trip....I'm surprised no one had a stroke.
Glenn Beck and Michelle Malking had, as Glenn would say, "blood spurting from their eyes".
Glenn said today's show, at 5 ET, will be all about this.
Don't know if I can watch it....might make too much mess with all the "blood spurting from my eyes"!! :censored:
This was all over Fox and Friends this morning.
Between the mosque/community center and us paying for the Iman's trip....I'm surprised no one had a stroke.
Glenn Beck and Michelle Malking had, as Glenn would say, "blood spurting from their eyes".
Glenn said today's show, at 5 ET, will be all about this.
Don't know if I can watch it....might make too much mess with all the "blood spurting from my eyes"!! :censored:
This was all over Fox and Friends this morning.
Between the mosque/community center and us paying for the Iman's trip....I'm surprised no one had a stroke.
Glenn Beck and Michelle Malking had, as Glenn would say, "blood spurting from their eyes".
Glenn said today's show, at 5 ET, will be all about this.
Don't know if I can watch it....might make too much mess with all the "blood spurting from my eyes"!! :censored:
Maybe we'll luck out and the bomb one of his buddies is wearin' will malfunction while he's in the vicinity!
It now turns out that the Muslims ONLY OWN HALF THE LAND they want to build their mosque on across from Ground Zero. Their deceit continues.
Could you give me a source to that? I'd be quite interested in reading that. :cheersmate:
Other half is owned by ConEd. It was on Fox the last couple of days....
The developers of the controversial mosque proposed near Ground Zero own only half the site where they want to construct the $100 million building, The Post has learned.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/half_baked_mosque_8ItuaW0WIByZa5xZ0rCmpJ#ixzz0w8Y8xeCv
One of the two buildings on Park Place is owned by Con Edison, even though Soho Properties told officials and the public that it owns the entire parcel. And any potential sale by Con Ed faces a review by the state Public Service Commission.
“We never heard anything about Con Ed whatsoever,” said a stunned Julie Menin, the chairwoman of Community Board 1, which passed a May resolution supporting the mosque.
Daisy Khan, one of the mosque’s organizers, told The Post last week that both buildings on Park Place are needed to house the worship and cultural center. But she claimed ignorance about the Con Ed ownership of 49-51 Park Place and referred questions to Soho Properties, which bought the building at 45-47 Park Place in 2009.
Rep. Peter King, who opposes the mosque, said the developers seemed to be “operating under false pretenses.”
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Legally, part of the building is theirs until 2071.
Mike, your picture isn't showing up.
What a mess, is not Con Ed be a public utility? church and state??? follow the money...
GOP gubernatorial hopeful Rick Lazio yesterday called on the Public Service Commission to zap the Ground Zero mosque because of the revelation that Con Ed owns half the site.
"As governor I will appoint commissioners . . . who, like me, oppose this group's plan to build a mosque at Ground Zero -- and I encourage New Yorkers to call the Public Service commissioners and tell them the same," he said.
The disclosure in Sunday's Post about the property's ownership proves the mosque's developers "have been operating under false pretenses," he said.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/lazio_let_pull_plug_on_mosque_OAn7Mv9ijyGZsoGM8S4OxK#ixzz0wKSJv4bt
I think it's a public utility. But from what I understand, ConEd did not sell their property to the group doing the mosque. They still own it, and it takes the city/county/state -whoever controls the utility companies in NY - to decide whether or not the property is sold.
Can we all agree, at least here, that Americans should not have to be the only Tolerant people in any discussion???????????
How much tolerance would be shown to the 12 person panel if they had said no??
Since there is no way this is going to stop, why doesn't a group of tolerance minded people buy the building next door and install a restaurant/deli that specializes in pork products, and a gay bar on another floor ?
Imagine the smell of fresh bacon permeating the air, while the Village People pump some YMCA into the neighborhood.
The mosque is all about tolerance, right ?
How about tolerating the aroma of bacon and ham entering your lungs every time you get down to pray...
Somehow, I suspect that 'tolerance' will fly away on the same wings that carried off 'hope & change'.
So do I. Hell, why shouldn't a butcher shop be constructed in the building RIGHT next door? Watch the screaming and howling from the lefties if it indeed does happen.
Steve Emerson has unearthed 13 hours of audio tape of Imam Rauf. Emerson and his team of investigators has spent the past four weeks going through the newly found material. Rauf is a "radical extremist cleric who cloaks himself in sheep's clothing."http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/imam-raufs-newly-discovered-explosive-audio-tapes.html
Among the shocking revelations Emerson's team will reveal next week -- they found Rauf:
Defending wahhabism - a puritanical version of Islam that governs Saudi Arabia
Calling for the elimination of Israel by claiming a one-nation state, meaning no more Jewish State.
Defending Bin Laden's violence
Demonstrating that there is a lot more to this man than merely a cleric.
Update I found on another forum, but holy shitaki mushrooms could this be big:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/imam-raufs-newly-discovered-explosive-audio-tapes.html
IF this is indeed true, and the 13 hrs reveal Rauf to be who I truly believe he is, this is going to be HUGE. It will also knock the breath out of everyone in support of the Mosque/Community center. Not to mention put them back on their heels. I'm anxious to hear the audio, but at the same time, apprehensive, because I think it may put the nation in a boatload of turmoil. Still, I want the truth to come out.
Wow.
Hannity has been talking for months how this guy is for Sharia Law and refuses to condem Hamas. Hopefully the new info will put a stop to this.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
Oh my... :banghead:
Some say that the rights of property owners to build what they want on their property is sacrosanct. But it's not: there is Public Domain that gives the govment the right to take private property and there are all kinds of zoning laws and restrictions. Zoning laws should forbid that mosque to be built at that location.
No joke! Just what part of this "Mosque" is commercial? They're sure as hell standin' in the way of the Greek Orthodox Church and all they want to do is rebuild!!!!!
There's no benefit to allowing the Greek Orthodox Church to rebuild.
It's a small parish....though that might not be the right word. It has a small congregation or whatever the GOC calls it's faithful.
The city wants the land it's on for an underground parking lot to be rebuilt.
There's no political gain. We aren't at odds with Greece.....yet.
What's an almost 100 yr old Greek Orthodox Church, compared to a parking lot, a mosque, keeping the Muslims happy?
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No joke! Just what part of this "Mosque" is commercial? They're sure as hell standin' in the way of the Greek Orthodox Church and all they want to do is rebuild!!!!!
You've got to wonder whether Bloomberg is "on the take" with this mosque?!?!
He's a douche bag anyways! :bird:
You've got to wonder whether Bloomberg is "on the take" with this mosque?!?!
He's a douche bag anyways! :bird:
Well, seriously, one thing Bloomberg--a multi-billionaire--doesn't need is money. He's an arrogant, know-nothing liberal--a perfect dhimmi. That's all that's needed for him to help the Moslems conquer.I know he's filthy rich, but why is the "victory" mosque been given the green light while the Greek Orthodox Church is still wrapped up in red tape?!?! Something's not right here.
I know he's filthy rich, but why is the "victory" mosque been given the green light while the Greek Orthodox Church is still wrapped up in red tape?!?! Something's not right here.
You are right, he is arrogant, a liberal and a dickhead! :bird:
He mistakenly thinks if he plays nice with the Muzzies, they'll hit Boston instead of NYC!
Bloomberg's mouthing off again. Apparently he thinks the American thing to do is to allow ourselves to be conquered.
It's really astounding to think that anyone so ignorant as Bloomberg managed to amass such wealth. An idiot savante, I suppose, emphasis on idiot.
‘Burn the Quran Day’ Plan Prompts Warnings of Anger, Unrest
Wednesday, August 25, 2010
By Patrick Goodenough, International Editor (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/71581)
(CNSNews.com) – The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) has joined the growing condemnation of plans by a Florida church to burn copies of the Quran on the 9th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.
A spokesman for the Jeddah-based bloc of Islamic states expressed concern Tuesday that the planned action by the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville would stir up “anger across the Muslim world and provoke unrest.â€
The OIC said it hoped the U.S. government would “take appropriate steps to protect the sacred religious sentiments of Muslims of America and of the Muslims across the world.â€
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But after the City of Gainesville fire department last week turned down its application for a permit under outdoor fire ordinances, Dove emailed a statement saying that despite the rejection of the application as well as pressure from its commercial insurance provider and the bank holding its mortgage, “we will still burn Korans.â€
The non-denominational church has drawn fire from Christian, Jewish and Muslim groups over the plan, which it says will take place “in remembrance of the fallen victims of 9/11 and to stand against the evil of Islam.â€
A spokesman for the Jeddah-based bloc of Islamic states expressed concern Tuesday that the planned action by the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville would stir up “anger across the Muslim world and provoke unrest.â€
If a group of people....any group....decided to burn a bunch of Korans, or Bibles, or the New York Times.....aren't they allowed to under Freedom of Speech, Expression, etc?
Provided they aren't breaking any local burning ordinances?
I think open burning is prohibited where the church is. They will be subject to a fine from what I've read, but the church has said they'll pay the fine.
The pig guts, blood, and bacon grease idea has some merit, but something tells me the local officials would find a way to cite an organization for littering.
If they are smart, they will get some big drums to burn them in....less chance for the fire to get out of control.
Probably also some sort of health ordinance would be broken too. :whatever:
The best and most agonizing way to do it is with a woodchipper and a recycling truck. It makes for a great demonstration, and is in line with laws involving recycling. Its just a matter of bringing a document shredder truck in to reshred, scramble, and carry the documents to a pulp plant. Done and done.
Good point....provided a document shredder company was willing to participate.
Otherwise....can you imagine the visual of 100 personal office shredders lined up in a parking lot, with people feeding pages of the Koran into them? :popcorn:
If a group of people....any group....decided to burn a bunch of Korans, or Bibles, or the New York Times.....aren't they allowed to under Freedom of Speech, Expression, etc?Yet countless DUmmy hippies have burned American flags in public, across the nation including on the steps of the Capital yet nary a fine was assessed.
Provided they aren't breaking any local burning ordinances?
The pig guts, blood, and bacon grease idea has some merit, but something tells me the local officials would find a way to cite an organization for littering.
...off of the side of the Grand Canyon.
They could just use pages from the Koran to wipe their butts, then stick them to Plexiglas and call it art. Surely that would be acceptable. :whatever:
YUP! Bloomberg and Pelosi would have a "witch hunt" to see who was responsible for that. They both can take a walk as far as I'm concerned. :bird:
Probably also some sort of health ordinance would be broken too. :whatever:
Well, Pelousy would be the perfect witch hunter, since "it takes one to know one".
What a bitch she is. What a disappointment our first female Speaker of the House has been. Damn near as big a disappointment as our first African American President.
:bird:both those :loser:
Hmmm. The fat negress and the dumb bitch walked away. That deters the sand animals and their monument how?Wow.... :o You think this is acceptable here? What's your DU name???
Wow.... :o You think this is acceptable here? What's your DU name???My DU name? WTF is a DU name? Acceptable has nothing to do with it. They rule. They make the rules. She gets a by because:
2. She is a negress:mental:
:mental:Oh, sorry. Did I neglect to say you are an asshole as well? I apologize. You may go now.
Oh, sorry. Did I neglect to say you are an asshole as well? I apologize. You may go now.
And you are...?If you have to ask, so far beyond anything your limited mind could conceive that the full resopnse would boggle your senses.
If you have to ask, so far beyond anything your limited mind could conceive that the full resopnse would boggle your senses.
That's nice. Have a good evening, now.
If you have to ask, so far beyond anything your limited mind could conceive that the full resopnse would boggle your senses.
Nothing speaks DUmmiese more than that kind of statement.
I've heard of 1%ers, but 100%ers??
Those conservatives who state that one must agree 100% with the conservative agenda or one isn't conservative.
Oh my Lord. As much as he/she/it did wrong, I don't know where to start. I feel as if I just got off The Gravitron at the fairgrounds.I agree. That was a bit over the line.
For starters, Troll, (if you can still read this) racial slurs are never acceptable. NEVER! It doesn't matter what the forum, or how you feel about the person in question. Take that knowlege with you to whatever the next forum is you decide to sign up for.
Bye now.
Dozens of emails between Mayor Bloomberg’s aides and developers of the proposed mosque near Ground Zero show the mayor’s office has gone out of its way to support the controversial plan – with one of his commissioners going so far as to ghost write a letter to a community board leader on the mosque’s behalf.http://newyorkpost.com/p/news/local/emails_show_bloomberg_office_desire_y3VfyeNsKALjUHguKwt2fO
I've heard of 1%ers, but 100%ers??
Bloomie and Co are just slobbering over this mega mosque. SLOBBERING!Yes, he is. It's sickening too. Mayor DOomberg, wake up, you fool.
Hannity had him on about a week ago.
Yeah, and recanted pretty much all he said.
From what I heard, the mosque is finished and opened?
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Ground zero mosque opened to public Wednesday
New York
An Islamic cultural center near the site of the terrorist attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center held its first exhibit Wednesday evening, the enthusiasm at the opening belying its troubled beginnings.
As a small orchestra played traditional Middle Eastern instruments, people crowded into the center, where a photo exhibit of New York children of different ethnicities lined the walls.
Sharif El-Gamal, the center's developer, said the biggest error on the project was not involving the families of 9/11 victims from the start.
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I just did some research (That is something the DUmmies should try to do some time) and found that the Ground Zero Mosque is finished and open to the public.
This article is from Sept 22nd of last year.
Read more: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0922/Ground-zero-mosque-opened-to-public-Wednesday